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On March 11 2024 14:12 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:16 Vivax wrote:
Jealous great effort but posting so much is scummy when he should already think Cop and Ve are tied.
I think he’s ignoring the shitfest around him to hide in plain sight by being performative, unlike ve and palmar.
Also still not acknowledging cop fought the claim just as hard as jat.
Adjusting vote to Jealous.
Mz, Dp, Jealous.
Koshi traitor
Cop vengeful
No vet in game
My guess atm Found this on Jealous, pretty stupid logic TBH? The easy way for scum when there are clear wagons that you can't control is to AFK. Of course activity doesn't make him town by itself (I actually think he could be scum!!!), but scumreading him for that???
We're approaching a mathematically impossible number of Vivax potential scums defending a scum!Jealous in his world and a mathematically hilarious amount of Vivax horrible reads.
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On March 15 2024 10:29 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:27 iamperfection wrote:On March 15 2024 10:26 Rels wrote:
Hey, I'm finally free. Daughter took a while to sleep, but I could catch up almost everything but the last 2-3 pages on my phone. I have a bunch of posts I want to talk about, to give a summary of my feeling:
- Palmar is still scum. Didn't anything that made me change my mind. Him changing his lock town read based on a single post after I switch to him being scum is ridiculous - it's OMGUS. I hate how he's ready to lynch anyone that can be lynched too this phase - if I have the tabs open on my phone I'll post them
- JAT is seeing the game 99% like me, with the same posts leading to the same thoughts. The only exception is Palmar
- Jealous still didn't post anything that makes me think he could be town, on the contrary, he's awfully calm about being lynched. Would be happy with him being lynched Jealous or cop then ? ?? Jealous of course. Cop is town IMO. Unless something hapepned in the 2 pages I didn't read
I don't think that scum!Rels remains so invested in a TvT vote. I get how having me lynched over CC is better for scum (potentially), as someone else said earlier. However. I don't think scum!Rels sticks his neck out repeatedly for that outcome around pages 18-20 of his filter.
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On March 18 2024 08:55 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 08:43 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 08:38 Vivax wrote:
Ah well.
Palmar isn't mafia.
DMB Jealous DP final answer. Both are independently defending me (in one way or another) for the past 24 hours so it's a really primitive take but understandable from your POV. From my POV tbh it makes me suspicious. Who would gain the most by appearing to defend a townie from ML - but the ML happens anyway because one of them votes for a nonstarter and the other promises to hop off in the case of shennanies - when we are one lynch away from lylo? Could be an easy way to gain town points going into the end game. I’m not swapping with normal shenanigans just in the last second swap around shit palmar was talking about.
Can you explain the difference between the two, or say this in a different way?
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On March 18 2024 09:03 die_meatbaby wrote:
finally finished work. I put so much alcohol in the cocktails, that people were immediately drunk and left the bar.
The IRL hero we deserve. Cheers to you, thank you for your service 🍻
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On March 15 2024 10:59 Rels wrote:
fuck I hope I'm wrong
Even happy being lynched tomorrow if needed, it would clear the game so much. DMB would be conf town at least
This post is so WIFOM for me but I just straight up don't like it. Probably the first post from Rels where I just straight up hated it. I guess that is saying something too, though.
I don't think Rels' filter adequately explains how this would clear DMB, either.
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On March 18 2024 09:05 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 08:44 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 08:43 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 08:35 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:33 Rels wrote:
My mind is here:
Scum
VE is almost confirmed scum IMO. My scumread started at the fake anger against rayn D1 (or N1? But I think D1), but the rest of his play since then is just an admission of being scum.
CC this cycle has been really, really scummy with her play. Martyring but still hanging out with no real objective and mainly discussing roles and KP targets. It really feels like a mafia that know they will be lynched but also know they have to participate in order to not play against their wincon
DMB has already been very scummy. I know she's has been scumread a lot s town, but the points that I think is not correlated to her style are her entrance where she spoke only in general terms until she was called out on it(I know at least by me, maybe others too), and the dumbtell in particular that looked very forced. Also was not a fan on how she behaved when marv/DP pushed her yesterday. I still haven't had the time to read one of her towngame, that's something that I will need to do
Jealous I hated a few posts from them. Already summarized it for marv yesterday, but basically, I have the feeling that his big posts are there to be townie / believable, not there because they're genuine. Contrary to some other takes I've seen, I didn't find anything particularly townie about them, if we exclude activity. I might be wrong, but I think his take on Vivax earlier was the first time he posted something that really resonated with me, and it was not even alignment related
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[town]Town[/town]
JAT I've thought was townie for a while for some of his posts and analyses N1, but TBH this is becoming to become weaker and weaker. I can't remember anything they've done lately - I know they've been somewhat active, but can't remember a single thing that influenced my reads. Probably the weakest of my townreads.
Koshi is someone that I thought multiple times was falling off, but actually hit a sprea of posts after catching up and thought once again he was being extremely townie with the way he thought and jumped from idea to idea. Very strong townread.
Palmar, just quoted my reasonning to MZ earlier, really, really don't think he makes those dumbtells as an experienced player. I know dumbtell are always tempting as scum, but this feels like too much, especially in this game where people are being scumread for dumbtells already. I also really liked his last list post (last in the part of the game I've read, haven't read the last 24 hours).
DP is super, super town, in addition to actually having played against their wincon if they're scum by shooting a partner instead of a scummy townie.
MZ has been so doubtful and involved in D2 when there was no reason to, very very strong townread.
iamperfection is a somewhat strong townread. I actualy never filtered him so I'm probably missing a bunch of his posts, but several times, he posted stuff that was either a great find or exactly what I thought at the time.
Vivax is JK. If he's scum and we really have no other protective role, I'm blaming balance there.
JSL is confirmed town.
13 players so I'm missing someone.
Whelp I guess it's me lol I'm going through Rels filter and he isn't quite the clairvoyant that D1 made him out to be. To be quite honest, at this point (12 pages), I have to think Rels is more likely town than scum. Yes, he hasn't had much presence, but I also don't think a person welcomed in this community would be such a piece of shit that they would leverage their daughter's health to explain away inactivity. Not that that in itself is AI, but at least there is a reason I believe. With the activity question out of the way, I think I just didn't give Rels enough credit for their posting. They are clearly invested, their takes are generally sensible with a few exceptions. What I see is a consistent player who isn't shying away from making reads unprompted. I'm upgrading Rels to townread, but I will finish their filter first to see if there are any irregularities. DP is that you writing this again. This isn't Jealous english Genuinely curious as to what you find characteristic of DP!English and Jealous!English. DP english is laconic and orderly. Yours is more like a coked up porn show
The fuck?
This is straight up character assassination. I'm speechless.
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On March 18 2024 09:12 Vivax wrote:
But I understand that cracking jokes while I‘m trying to lynch you could come across as the wrong intention.
Yea, I think I would have taken it better if the situation wasn't what it is. I honestly feel better about all this after you made a genuine joke and this post for my sake. Thanks.
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On March 18 2024 09:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 09:15 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 09:12 Vivax wrote:
But I understand that cracking jokes while I‘m trying to lynch you could come across as the wrong intention. Yea, I think I would have taken it better if the situation wasn't what it is. I honestly feel better about all this after you made a genuine joke and this post for my sake. Thanks. Its really good English but it looks so similar to DPs style in certain posts that I think he could have written that. Either way, what‘s your opinion on Oats‘ scumslip read of DMB ? Don‘t you think he was a bit too sure of himself ?
For a long time I thought the opposite tbh. He voted her immediately on D2. According to Slam, it was within 13 seconds of Slam revealing Oats' alignment. To me that feels like it can't be a bus, therefore DMB has to be town. Here comes the WIFOM:
However, Rels introduced reasonable doubt into my thinking process when he pointed out that Oats had cased her for 24 hours. Maybe you and others can help me with the meta read here, but I don't think that is typical for scum: to start bussing with posts/reads and then votes on D1/N1 -> N2.
That being said, in one of my two scum games, I was bussed by HF and scum ended up winning in 3 days because of that IIRC. So, I know it does happen. Furthermore, we know Oats bussed TTS this game.
So, the team would have to be Oats, DMB, and Rels.
The problem with that is that Rels filter until page 22 (where I am at now) has been townie to me, DMB is now defending me and has been playing like CopCake 2.0 and is being defended by you and DP. I feel like this is just chaotic. Furthermore, Rels has been critical of DMB several times and supported others' reads of DMB = scum. Does scum team double bus DMB this way? Do scum!DMB and scum!Rels both make a Palmar lynch a reality by either voting for him or not voting for town!Jealous? FML.
TLDR: I think it may be plausible but it depends on whether this is in character for the parties involved and a more common practice than it feels like it would be. It also has far-reaching and WIFOMy implications.
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On March 18 2024 09:22 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 09:20 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 09:15 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 09:12 Vivax wrote:
But I understand that cracking jokes while I‘m trying to lynch you could come across as the wrong intention. Yea, I think I would have taken it better if the situation wasn't what it is. I honestly feel better about all this after you made a genuine joke and this post for my sake. Thanks. Its really good English but it looks so similar to DPs style in certain posts that I think he could have written that. Either way, what‘s your opinion on Oats‘ scumslip read of DMB ? Don‘t you think he was a bit too sure of himself ? He is just fucking idiot pushing weak Town. How long you playing this game? Is it you first one??? Should I explain you what fucking mafia did this game and why VE and CC are misslynced... You know why Trfel was misslynced. He plays differnent then the rest of here. Thats why you all scumreading him. Thats why fucking Town lynched Town this hole fucking game.
I know that you are having a moment here but I would like to point out that you only started calling me "weak Town" when you found out how many games I've played. Before that you didn't seem to have any verbalized judgment of my play as being scrubby. Furthermore, I've played with many of the people here before so they know I've been around a long time and I don't think they'd have any reason to assume I'm "noob" until I revealed my game count, which was well into today's push against me. So, I don't think the "kill noob towns" motif makes sense here, it's more like "noob towns look scummy af" and objectively speaking CC and VE both had significant issues with their play that could reasonably lead to a scum read IMO.
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On March 18 2024 09:47 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 09:42 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 09:22 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 09:20 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 09:15 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 09:12 Vivax wrote:
But I understand that cracking jokes while I‘m trying to lynch you could come across as the wrong intention. Yea, I think I would have taken it better if the situation wasn't what it is. I honestly feel better about all this after you made a genuine joke and this post for my sake. Thanks. Its really good English but it looks so similar to DPs style in certain posts that I think he could have written that. Either way, what‘s your opinion on Oats‘ scumslip read of DMB ? Don‘t you think he was a bit too sure of himself ? He is just fucking idiot pushing weak Town. How long you playing this game? Is it you first one??? Should I explain you what fucking mafia did this game and why VE and CC are misslynced... You know why Trfel was misslynced. He plays differnent then the rest of here. Thats why you all scumreading him. Thats why fucking Town lynched Town this hole fucking game. I know that you are having a moment here but I would like to point out that you only started calling me "weak Town" when you found out how many games I've played. Before that you didn't seem to have any verbalized judgment of my play as being scrubby. Furthermore, I've played with many of the people here before so they know I've been around a long time and I don't think they'd have any reason to assume I'm "noob" until I revealed my game count, which was well into today's push against me. So, I don't think the "kill noob towns" motif makes sense here, it's more like "noob towns look scummy af" and objectively speaking CC and VE both had significant issues with their play that could reasonably lead to a scum read IMO. have i hurt your ego?
I just think it's a weak argument because it hinges on out-of-game information you did not have until very recently and you showed no suspicion of previously. Pushing weak arguments doesn't help your case, or in this case, my survival.
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On March 18 2024 09:47 Vivax wrote:
I don‘t know if I can survive more of this game without getting put into a straitjacket.
Maybe I should do what others do and mislynch someone. Stop being so ambitious about the game.
Let Jello live? I‘d have proven my point anyway
LOL. I'm starting to see your humor Vivax.
PS: Jello is a funny nickname, too. I kinda hate it and love it at the same time.
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On March 18 2024 09:52 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 09:42 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 09:22 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 09:20 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 09:15 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 09:12 Vivax wrote:
But I understand that cracking jokes while I‘m trying to lynch you could come across as the wrong intention. Yea, I think I would have taken it better if the situation wasn't what it is. I honestly feel better about all this after you made a genuine joke and this post for my sake. Thanks. Its really good English but it looks so similar to DPs style in certain posts that I think he could have written that. Either way, what‘s your opinion on Oats‘ scumslip read of DMB ? Don‘t you think he was a bit too sure of himself ? He is just fucking idiot pushing weak Town. How long you playing this game? Is it you first one??? Should I explain you what fucking mafia did this game and why VE and CC are misslynced... You know why Trfel was misslynced. He plays differnent then the rest of here. Thats why you all scumreading him. Thats why fucking Town lynched Town this hole fucking game. I know that you are having a moment here but I would like to point out that you only started calling me "weak Town" when you found out how many games I've played. Before that you didn't seem to have any verbalized judgment of my play as being scrubby. Furthermore, I've played with many of the people here before so they know I've been around a long time and I don't think they'd have any reason to assume I'm "noob" until I revealed my game count, which was well into today's push against me. So, I don't think the "kill noob towns" motif makes sense here, it's more like "noob towns look scummy af" and objectively speaking CC and VE both had significant issues with their play that could reasonably lead to a scum read IMO. DP is making Town vs Town lynchs the hole game... most of the time he made all two vote wagons. I don´t trust this man anymore. I don´t vote on his wagons!! Thats the mean reason why I don´t want to vote on you. And I already explaind why I voted CC even I thought of her as Town. But if she wants do die and ask me did that out of desperation because this Town plays here like Garbodor
For what it's worth, I support you not voting for either wagon, and not even because I am one of them. I think that people should vote for their read for the most part (obvious exceptions apply, like Oats). I believe the same thing IRL regarding 3rd party candidates.
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On March 18 2024 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 07:24 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 07:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Jealous can you do a list like palmar please . "A list of how effective/influential/loud/central people that are alive have been over the course of the game" Top tier:DP, Vivax Mid tier:Iamp, Jat, Jealous, Mid-low:MZ Low tier:Palmar, Rels, DMB I kind of just want your reads.
Shoulda said so tbh. I started drafting a list, but realized that due to recent developments, it might be wiser for me to not be so explicit with who I think is town or not. At this point I think I'd be working against town wincon by giving scum my reads. I have a post prepped for just before lynch saved on my phone, and if it seems likely that I'll be lynched, I'll post it. In there you will have some info about my current reads.
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On March 18 2024 10:07 Vivax wrote:
Grack already told us he‘s scum either way
???
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On March 18 2024 10:22 Vivax wrote:
Jealous can you see dmb/DP/Rels now in this very moment ?
We have the technology, we can rebuild you.
I address this here:
On March 18 2024 09:35 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 09:20 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 09:15 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 09:12 Vivax wrote:
But I understand that cracking jokes while I‘m trying to lynch you could come across as the wrong intention. Yea, I think I would have taken it better if the situation wasn't what it is. I honestly feel better about all this after you made a genuine joke and this post for my sake. Thanks. Its really good English but it looks so similar to DPs style in certain posts that I think he could have written that. Either way, what‘s your opinion on Oats‘ scumslip read of DMB ? Don‘t you think he was a bit too sure of himself ? For a long time I thought the opposite tbh. He voted her immediately on D2. According to Slam, it was within 13 seconds of Slam revealing Oats' alignment. To me that feels like it can't be a bus, therefore DMB has to be town. Here comes the WIFOM: However, Rels introduced reasonable doubt into my thinking process when he pointed out that Oats had cased her for 24 hours. Maybe you and others can help me with the meta read here, but I don't think that is typical for scum: to start bussing with posts/reads and then votes on D1/N1 -> N2. That being said, in one of my two scum games, I was bussed by HF and scum ended up winning in 3 days because of that IIRC. So, I know it does happen. Furthermore, we know Oats bussed TTS this game. So, the team would have to be Oats, DMB, and Rels. The problem with that is that Rels filter until page 22 (where I am at now) has been townie to me, DMB is now defending me and has been playing like CopCake 2.0 and is being defended by you and DP. I feel like this is just chaotic. Furthermore, Rels has been critical of DMB several times and supported others' reads of DMB = scum. Does scum team double bus DMB this way? Do scum!DMB and scum!Rels both make a Palmar lynch a reality by either voting for him or not voting for town!Jealous? FML. TLDR: I think it may be plausible but it depends on whether this is in character for the parties involved and a more common practice than it feels like it would be. It also has far-reaching and WIFOMy implications.
Like yea, it is plausible. It would have to be well-orchestrated, which is something that I am sure DP and Oats are capable of, and Rels and DMB just have to sheep (no slight against Rels and DMB btw). Rels filter made me believe they are pretty dang town, though, and so does DMB's recent "no DP voting" push. However, not voting for either side of the current lynch pool could just be a great TvT ploy.
Fuck it.
##Unvote
##Vote: DarthPunk
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On March 18 2024 10:28 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 10:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 10:07 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 10:02 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 09:55 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 09:49 iamperfection wrote:On March 18 2024 09:47 Vivax wrote:
I don‘t know if I can survive more of this game without getting put into a straitjacket.
Maybe I should do what others do and mislynch someone. Stop being so ambitious about the game.
Let Jello live? I‘d have proven my point anyway so what do you want to do. Lynch Palmar. He did say something super scummy earlier he called me a good player i genuinely don't think he believes that lol. I'll keep my vote here but I'll stop fighting and be mad if you change your mind. It was a good battle, I'm spent. I think I prefer harmony now. did you read his old towngame where I posted a link? did you compare that? can you untunnel J for like 10 minutes and finally do something for this town and not working like our rl mayjor??? Compare this this one old game with this now. Tell me I am wrong! Tell me pls why I am wrong? This is basiclly the same how he plays here The only way for me to untunnel the way you‘d like me to is by tunneling DP instead and I‘m not going to start doing that one hour before DL. Grack already told us he‘s scum either way great that means you did not read this old game with a 7 page filter and and the game had only about 90 pages. But okey don´t look up his meta. Sorry I forgot a major can not get his ass to take 10 minutes to read this one game of him. I hope you are right with J. We can not misslynch another town 3 times in raw. I DIDNT PLAY IN THE GAME YOU LINKED do you get nervous now while i am voting on you? nobody is voting with me. So sadly you are still alive until the next lynch. read the thread!
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Already regretting this.
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On March 18 2024 10:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Five Vote Count
Jealous (3): Justanothertownie, DarthPunk, Vivax, Palmar, iamperfection, die_meatbaby
Palmar (3): Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, Jealous, DarthPunk
DarthPunk (3) : die_meatbaby, Jealous, Vivax
Meapak_Ziphh (0): Jealous
With 3 votes, Jealous is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Monday, Mar 18 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
No matter what happens, at least I can say that it was epic.
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On March 18 2024 10:40 DarthPunk wrote:
Unvote:
Vote: Jealous
Fair.
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On March 18 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
And people why we haven't lynched scum this game.
This is exactly how scum like Palmar get away.
At this point if you don't think I'm scum then you might as well vote with me. We will have another chance at Palmar in the future, he won't be NK'd either way after this, and neither will I or DP if we survive this.
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On March 18 2024 10:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 10:44 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 10:43 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 10:42 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 10:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 10:30 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: DP You are voting with your scum read that is lock mafia according to you you realise? Yeah because I feel awful after hammering on him all day. You on the other hand gave me reason to feel less awful if I lynched you Wait so you are doing this because I yelled at you? You realise as mafia my strat is to pocket the townies right. Whatever you want tho vivax. Honestly. No I took it personally that you manipulated me specifically into voting copcake. And you didn‘t give a fuck about it afterwards. So now you're trying to lynch him rather than your scumread who you now "feel bad for"?
Vivax softening toward the end of this cycle is either masterful scum play or a soft signal of "I was pushing you to make you squirm but I don't think you're actually scum."
I'm betting on the latter.
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