EPTOn March 07 2024 12:55 iamperfection wrote:
hes actually town now though
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On March 07 2024 12:49 CopCake wrote:
You deffended Jacob ALL DAY and NIGHT and now he is mafia?
On March 07 2024 12:00 DarthPunk wrote:
Darthpunk's last will and testament.
Basically I have been trying to sort people since the flips and my reads have been changing a bit. but i'll post a brief summary here as guidance and reads.
And also so that i can prevent what I think are some of the biggest potential errors moving forward.
Do not lynch tier:
Palmar: He has looked really town since he started playing in the second part of day 1, in addition to my original reasons for not wanting him to be lynched (mindmeld with sandro, emotional congruence, effort to post reads when all was looking doomed) I think he has continued to look good, I find myself agreeing with his perspectives, I see hints of trolling, I think him and marv are vibing.
The interaction with cake's shit takes was really townie to me.
IT IS IMPORTANT YOU DON"T LYNCH PALMAR- can't stress this enough, no idea why people are getting stuck on small shit that doesn't matter, for example, rayn if you are town, it is well known that palmar doesn't do associative reads. The whole mason shit is a useless direction. This is probably the biggest throw for town imo.
Sandro
Is just getting down to business scumhunting and sorting. I think he is the best player to sheep this game if you are lost.
Oatsmaster
His play this game reminds me of his play in the last game where he was town, he is being smart, pushing in good directions and generally looks super town to me.
Vivax
Been discussed to death, he is the town JK in my opinion.
Perfection
Looked town all game pretty much, some of his takes I think are wrong, I think he looked really town around the lynch.
Also his scum play was terribad last time so I don't think this is that.
Probably town tier
Koshi
I was debating putting him in the tier above, because he has looked really townie all game, and dramatically different to his mafia game, which was really lackluster.
I don't think he pushes marv and rayn in the way he did as mafia.
There are a couple of things that give me pause to him being 'lock' town, first of all is a post where he is aggressively pushing rayn and then kind of completely reverses
I think it makes it clear the aggression was at least somewhat ingenuine.
I still think he is town but yeah not as confident as I was, also don't like the casually mentioning me as a possible mafia candidate after it seemed like I was lock town all game, but maybe that was NK wifom. :D
I am waiting for a 'smart' koshi moment and push which I haven't seen yet.
Rayn
Honestly this was a hard one for me to sort, there are times when i thought he was town and other times where I thought he was mafia.
I still don't really understand the way he has been interacting with me this game, it felt 'different' than normal. I thought it made him mafia, but currently I am putting it down to the fact he just thinks I am bad.
I think his best moments came this night when he went into 'solver mode' with JAT. and I think he had a really good push on cake, and subsequent ideas on DMB which I think are likely correct.
So town, the palmar/rayn shit started looking very TvT to me too. so there is that.
I don't think he is as correct as he assumes (like every game) but town.
Slam
Un CC'd cop (fuck you VE
) also looked town around the end of day chaos.
Marv
Has been playing a solid game so far, in the back of my mind I always think he is mafia for engagement tells, but when I was wrong last game I decided to shelve that as old meta. I think he is mafia he will slip up later, It's kind of weird for town!marv to not call me mafia but i don't really think he is mafia either. Biggest town tell for him I think is his penchant for defending weaker scummy players like copcake.
Also the shit with trfel, where he was really sad about reading the lynch, and the town read on hapa, both those pinged me as genuine and townie.
Possible mafia/possible town
Rels:
He has looked logical when he posts, but his wasted vote and push on palmar was a big red flag where it was useless and he wasn't really trying that hard to take thread control and change the lynch.
lack of investment could be explained by IRL matters, but I also think Rels could be mafia.
Also I remember him being WAY more aggressive as town. Like old school DP levels of aggression. Here he is just reasonable and meh.
MZ
I feel like he has been flying under the radar a bit, I liked his push on Cake, I liked his push on JSL less.
Calling me never lynch tier could be a possible pocketing attempt but also could be just because I tend to call him town when noone else does and we have vibed a few times this game.
Needs to do more for sure.
Jealous
Most likely to be scum out of these. i liked the open and transparent reasoning in his list post. I think he has looked worse ever since. The formulaic waffle of both sides of an argument is easy to just
go through the motions with as mafia. The way he is hard defending me from people also pings me a bit. I can defend myself, why is he not considering those arguments for why I am mafia? Could be a pocketing attempt.
TTS: Lurker.
JAT:
Looked really bad for the reasons outlined earlier by sandro and palmar day one.
I just don't think it makes sense he is mafia if palmar and trfel were town, he did this thing where he waited to swap to trefl even when i threatened to lynch him for it.
Doesn't really make sense for mafia to do that.
His posting has been looking good recently in its own right, particularly when interacting with Marv/Rayn
Mafia tier
DMB: The vote and case on me gave me pause for a bit, because of the WIFOM argument of why she would do it, but then refusing to give reads refusing to engage, talking about how exhausted I made her, all points to mafia, and then she actually immediately USED the WIFOM argument in her own defence.
Basically I think her and Cake are partnered, their push on me is basically the same, and they have waffled on their reads of each other. Kind of calling each other scummy and kind of not, and then kind of ignoring each other, but they both have the same top scum read since early on so none of that is natural or normal if they are both town. Looks like classic distancing to me.
I think DMB is showing the same traits this game as her previous game where she just tunnelled palmar IIRC and couldn't really form any other reads about the game.
Same thing here, I was trying to see if she had thought about anyone else, but no.
In her world 26 page DP is scum but she doesn't have the ability to scum read anyone else.
I don;t buy that at all.
Cake
I am running out of time so I can't grab the posts, but I think rayn was on the right track here at night.
She apparently has 4 scum reads but can only talk about me, same thing happened in her last scum read, just got tunnelled on 1-2 players and didn;t look elsewhere.
I gave her space to see if she would do something else, but she ended up just talking about me some more, all the things that apply to dmb re:cake above apply to cake re: dmb here.
I think marv is being super unhelpful by defending her when she is slipping really really hard.
JSL:
Lack of suspicion, didnt do anything with the encouragement on the koshi slip.
Soft defending DMB.
All the stuff sandro posted.
Also I forgot he told me before he would be engaged as mafia, so the engagement is a null tell for him.
VE
I really hate this but he just looks scummy and disengaged. I hope I am wrong so I don;t have to lynch him but I don;t think I am wrong, I think he is just mafia which sucks.
Ok one minute to go.
GL if I don;t see you on the other side.
Darthpunk's last will and testament.
Basically I have been trying to sort people since the flips and my reads have been changing a bit. but i'll post a brief summary here as guidance and reads.
And also so that i can prevent what I think are some of the biggest potential errors moving forward.
Do not lynch tier:
Palmar: He has looked really town since he started playing in the second part of day 1, in addition to my original reasons for not wanting him to be lynched (mindmeld with sandro, emotional congruence, effort to post reads when all was looking doomed) I think he has continued to look good, I find myself agreeing with his perspectives, I see hints of trolling, I think him and marv are vibing.
The interaction with cake's shit takes was really townie to me.
IT IS IMPORTANT YOU DON"T LYNCH PALMAR- can't stress this enough, no idea why people are getting stuck on small shit that doesn't matter, for example, rayn if you are town, it is well known that palmar doesn't do associative reads. The whole mason shit is a useless direction. This is probably the biggest throw for town imo.
Sandro
Is just getting down to business scumhunting and sorting. I think he is the best player to sheep this game if you are lost.
Oatsmaster
His play this game reminds me of his play in the last game where he was town, he is being smart, pushing in good directions and generally looks super town to me.
Vivax
Been discussed to death, he is the town JK in my opinion.
Perfection
Looked town all game pretty much, some of his takes I think are wrong, I think he looked really town around the lynch.
Also his scum play was terribad last time so I don't think this is that.
Probably town tier
Koshi
I was debating putting him in the tier above, because he has looked really townie all game, and dramatically different to his mafia game, which was really lackluster.
I don't think he pushes marv and rayn in the way he did as mafia.
There are a couple of things that give me pause to him being 'lock' town, first of all is a post where he is aggressively pushing rayn and then kind of completely reverses
On March 05 2024 20:37 Koshi wrote:
I admit I came in too strong. But rereading it, it was too strong but luckily not over the top.
But it is fair you got annoyed.
Seeing my case and my post you must understand why I can't let you be Mayor right? It's just not enough to earn it. Vivax did you dirty by claiming but there should not be a competition about the Mayor today. Can you vote vivax? You are 99.98% on him.
I am interested in your reads on JAT and Rels. Just for my sake. Because I will not be able to read them today.
On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread.
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread.
I admit I came in too strong. But rereading it, it was too strong but luckily not over the top.
But it is fair you got annoyed.
Seeing my case and my post you must understand why I can't let you be Mayor right? It's just not enough to earn it. Vivax did you dirty by claiming but there should not be a competition about the Mayor today. Can you vote vivax? You are 99.98% on him.
I am interested in your reads on JAT and Rels. Just for my sake. Because I will not be able to read them today.
I think it makes it clear the aggression was at least somewhat ingenuine.
I still think he is town but yeah not as confident as I was, also don't like the casually mentioning me as a possible mafia candidate after it seemed like I was lock town all game, but maybe that was NK wifom. :D
I am waiting for a 'smart' koshi moment and push which I haven't seen yet.
Rayn
Honestly this was a hard one for me to sort, there are times when i thought he was town and other times where I thought he was mafia.
I still don't really understand the way he has been interacting with me this game, it felt 'different' than normal. I thought it made him mafia, but currently I am putting it down to the fact he just thinks I am bad.
I think his best moments came this night when he went into 'solver mode' with JAT. and I think he had a really good push on cake, and subsequent ideas on DMB which I think are likely correct.
So town, the palmar/rayn shit started looking very TvT to me too. so there is that.
I don't think he is as correct as he assumes (like every game) but town.
Slam
Un CC'd cop (fuck you VE
) also looked town around the end of day chaos.Marv
Has been playing a solid game so far, in the back of my mind I always think he is mafia for engagement tells, but when I was wrong last game I decided to shelve that as old meta. I think he is mafia he will slip up later, It's kind of weird for town!marv to not call me mafia but i don't really think he is mafia either. Biggest town tell for him I think is his penchant for defending weaker scummy players like copcake.
Also the shit with trfel, where he was really sad about reading the lynch, and the town read on hapa, both those pinged me as genuine and townie.
Possible mafia/possible town
Rels:
He has looked logical when he posts, but his wasted vote and push on palmar was a big red flag where it was useless and he wasn't really trying that hard to take thread control and change the lynch.
lack of investment could be explained by IRL matters, but I also think Rels could be mafia.
Also I remember him being WAY more aggressive as town. Like old school DP levels of aggression. Here he is just reasonable and meh.
MZ
I feel like he has been flying under the radar a bit, I liked his push on Cake, I liked his push on JSL less.
Calling me never lynch tier could be a possible pocketing attempt but also could be just because I tend to call him town when noone else does and we have vibed a few times this game.
Needs to do more for sure.
Jealous
Most likely to be scum out of these. i liked the open and transparent reasoning in his list post. I think he has looked worse ever since. The formulaic waffle of both sides of an argument is easy to just
go through the motions with as mafia. The way he is hard defending me from people also pings me a bit. I can defend myself, why is he not considering those arguments for why I am mafia? Could be a pocketing attempt.
TTS: Lurker.
JAT:
Looked really bad for the reasons outlined earlier by sandro and palmar day one.
I just don't think it makes sense he is mafia if palmar and trfel were town, he did this thing where he waited to swap to trefl even when i threatened to lynch him for it.
Doesn't really make sense for mafia to do that.
His posting has been looking good recently in its own right, particularly when interacting with Marv/Rayn
Mafia tier
DMB: The vote and case on me gave me pause for a bit, because of the WIFOM argument of why she would do it, but then refusing to give reads refusing to engage, talking about how exhausted I made her, all points to mafia, and then she actually immediately USED the WIFOM argument in her own defence.
Basically I think her and Cake are partnered, their push on me is basically the same, and they have waffled on their reads of each other. Kind of calling each other scummy and kind of not, and then kind of ignoring each other, but they both have the same top scum read since early on so none of that is natural or normal if they are both town. Looks like classic distancing to me.
I think DMB is showing the same traits this game as her previous game where she just tunnelled palmar IIRC and couldn't really form any other reads about the game.
Same thing here, I was trying to see if she had thought about anyone else, but no.
In her world 26 page DP is scum but she doesn't have the ability to scum read anyone else.
I don;t buy that at all.
Cake
I am running out of time so I can't grab the posts, but I think rayn was on the right track here at night.
She apparently has 4 scum reads but can only talk about me, same thing happened in her last scum read, just got tunnelled on 1-2 players and didn;t look elsewhere.
I gave her space to see if she would do something else, but she ended up just talking about me some more, all the things that apply to dmb re:cake above apply to cake re: dmb here.
I think marv is being super unhelpful by defending her when she is slipping really really hard.
JSL:
Lack of suspicion, didnt do anything with the encouragement on the koshi slip.
Soft defending DMB.
All the stuff sandro posted.
Also I forgot he told me before he would be engaged as mafia, so the engagement is a null tell for him.
VE
I really hate this but he just looks scummy and disengaged. I hope I am wrong so I don;t have to lynch him but I don;t think I am wrong, I think he is just mafia which sucks.
Ok one minute to go.
GL if I don;t see you on the other side.
You deffended Jacob ALL DAY and NIGHT and now he is mafia?
hes actually town now though
Yeah I read he claimed
