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On March 11 2024 04:40 CopCake wrote:
Btw if my opinion is somehow important, I think Rels is town.
Seriously doubt he would use his daughter as an excuse to be afk :/
Why would that be alignment indicative? The obvious thing to do is to assume that what he said is true regardless of his alignment.
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You wouldn't tell if there were out of the game reason preventing you from spending a lot of time as mafia but as town you would? That does not make any sense to me.
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On March 11 2024 04:52 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 04:46 justanothertownie wrote:
You wouldn't tell if there were out of the game reason preventing you from spending a lot of time as mafia but as town you would? That does not make any sense to me. I try not to use irl excuses stuff in games, specially as mafia.
I get that. It just does not make sense to differentiate between alignments. I mean we are not talking about him making it up. Carry on I guess. I don't think this makes him town.
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On March 11 2024 20:20 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 17:38 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 16:54 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 10:33 Vivax wrote:
DP alive D3 warrants a better look from any competent town player.
And I think he's scum then a bunch of townies show up and make me wanna omgus them. DP never dies early. DP was not a target above others who have died. I do not understand why DP was not roleblocked. Maybe they thought he would shoot town cc. Maybe they thought they had to get 2 kills so you had to be rb. Hmm that makes sense. Or town DMB Not just me The only reason the didnt block town DP is if his pool was full of town Mafia made a mistake. Who knows why. They fucked up
This is really fucking stupid.
They could not rb dp without risking Vivax either saving slam or even blocking their shot directly if he used the JK offensively. Dp being left to shoot confirms absolutely nothing.
Cake. We are lynching ve right now and not you. Please put the night action logic aside and just give us some reads that are independent from that if you are town.
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On March 11 2024 20:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:22 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 11 2024 20:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 Palmar wrote:
Btw the wagon on me is so bad.
marv is probably just mafia
jat has literally no reason to think I am, and is probably mafia anyway.
Trfel has literally no reason to think I am
Slam is slam
Koshi has thought I am mafia every game for 10+ years. I think he just enjoys murdering me.
The only standout is DP Wow, the wagon on me on day 1 was so pure :D Koshi and jat haven't flipped how do you know it was pure? It's a jab at jat, specifically He did vote me without having any reason to do so.
Did it hurt your big business man feelings? 
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Rels looks a lot better right now. Gonna finish catching up when I left work.
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On March 11 2024 20:08 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 19:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
First up we have Koshi. At first I had a townread on him for his activity, in spite of saying dumb things like Oats is town. D2 he drops off considerably though, and reacts really strangely to the Oats check. Like, there's confirmation bias, and there's trying desperately to save a mafia teammate. I think we witnessed the second one on Koshi's D2. The smart play there is to lynch the check. Koshi is a smart player. That's what cops are for, to check people you think you trust to find out if you can or not. Not just that, but his TR wasn't even that strong on Oats D1, he kept saying he had to go "reread" Oats to "see if he locked in on someone" or some meta bullshit. He never did that, but continued to scream about not lynching him, the mafia Framer. In that light, the fact that he's both "too confused about the state of the game to make any real reads" and "So certain of our path forward that I don't even have to try anymore" rings massive alarm bells for me.
Verdict: Mafia Koshi
Next up is.....omg it's our esteemed mayor. Please let there be less than 20 pages. Tbf if you want to call Koshi mafia just say that he thinks I'm town. Town Koshi never thinks I'm town. Ever. But I've decided to ignore that for now.
I had a similar thought tbh.
Out of a million games where we were both town koshi was calling me mafia in all of them except maybe 1. Since day1 he has also become quite agreeable. I am missing the zeal. This was supposed to be the full koshi experience.
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On March 11 2024 20:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:24 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2024 20:20 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 17:38 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 16:54 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 10:33 Vivax wrote:
DP alive D3 warrants a better look from any competent town player.
And I think he's scum then a bunch of townies show up and make me wanna omgus them. DP never dies early. DP was not a target above others who have died. I do not understand why DP was not roleblocked. Maybe they thought he would shoot town cc. Maybe they thought they had to get 2 kills so you had to be rb. Hmm that makes sense. Or town DMB Not just me The only reason the didnt block town DP is if his pool was full of town Mafia made a mistake. Who knows why. They fucked up This is really fucking stupid. They could not rb dp without risking Vivax either saving slam or even blocking their shot directly if he used the JK offensively. Dp being left to shoot confirms absolutely nothing. Cake. We are lynching ve right now and not you. Please put the night action logic aside and just give us some reads that are independent from that if you are town. Dont be mad. I know you guys discussed it at lenght in scumqt but you should have let Vivax protect slam, shoot and rb dp and shoot marv.
If I am mad then it is because you jubjubs wasted several pages of posts with this which I have to read :p
Great subject to talk about at length without the possibility to ever come to a conclusion since it all relies on wifom anyways.
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On March 11 2024 20:49 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:24 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2024 20:20 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 17:38 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 16:54 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 10:33 Vivax wrote:
DP alive D3 warrants a better look from any competent town player.
And I think he's scum then a bunch of townies show up and make me wanna omgus them. DP never dies early. DP was not a target above others who have died. I do not understand why DP was not roleblocked. Maybe they thought he would shoot town cc. Maybe they thought they had to get 2 kills so you had to be rb. Hmm that makes sense. Or town DMB Not just me The only reason the didnt block town DP is if his pool was full of town Mafia made a mistake. Who knows why. They fucked up This is really fucking stupid. They could not rb dp without risking Vivax either saving slam or even blocking their shot directly if he used the JK offensively. Dp being left to shoot confirms absolutely nothing. Cake. We are lynching ve right now and not you. Please put the night action logic aside and just give us some reads that are independent from that if you are town. I said Rels Mind if you glance as his posts? He called me town with the perspective of his experience of being mafia with me in chezinu streak mafia and also called me mafia from the same experience.
I will later today. Gotta admit that I liked his posts today so far though.
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That I will read his posts later I mean. Not that he looks better :D
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On March 12 2024 00:00 Palmar wrote:
But, koshi could not have known I would pussy out of calling Oats mafia, and there was absolutely some serious push towards Oats getting lynched on day 1. This includes Vivax the mayor talking about it. The chances of Koshi making that towncase on Oats as a fellow mafia member is pretty low.
What are you talking about? Oats was never seriously pushed in this game before slam claimed his check. Vivax talks about a lot of stuff - am I supposed to think dp is in danger to be lynched today? Because our mayor said he is mafia.
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On March 12 2024 01:50 CopCake wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong
The fact Oats voted JAT makes him town, no?
Not 100 % from your pov but yeah, I was in serious danger of being lynched there. That would have been a very unnecessary bus if I was mafia with him.
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On March 12 2024 01:57 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 01:55 iamperfection wrote:On March 12 2024 01:51 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2024 01:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 12 2024 01:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 14:53 ToTheStars wrote:
Read pages 8/9/10 only
Vote: trfel Terrible post, care to explain this read? On March 05 2024 01:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 20:50 Vivax wrote:
Well for TTS it‘s an easy explanation: He also didn‘t like Trfel‘s posts. Do you agree with the reasons he didn't like it? I get where he's coming from since he's a new player but I'm not sure what you see wrong with it? I made a horrible list with TTS + Oats town at this point in the game and explained why I put TTS as town and look at what MZ replied. He just backed off his attack with this post: On March 05 2024 01:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. OK this is fair in my eyes, TL towns are very chatty and if you come from somewhere that's not I could believe this position. And read my post as if I was seeing something wrong with him when it was the opposite so that's indication of TMI because he was expecting me to scumread him. That last response is reasonable no? No he misread it as me wanting to scumread TTS for it when I was giving him a townread for scumreading Trfel. He must've thought TTS looked scummy and that I was pointing it out when I was doing the opposite so imo it gave MZ away by replying like that. He's responding directly to tts Read the second quote again he's asking me what I see wrong with it. Unless he misquoted me. JAT also sees it as worth posting to beg for a townread because a flipped mafia voted for him but not much else. It's meaningless, and he was still 5 votes away at least.
Pretty sure I was not 5 votes away when Oats voted me. But I will doublecheck when I am home.
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On March 12 2024 02:00 CopCake wrote:
JAT what do you think of your wagon?
If there were mafia besidess oats who could it be?
Have you played a lot with marv/vivax/rayn/etc?
I have already analyzed that on night 1 maybe I can update that later - definitely was wrong on oats. I have played a lot with all of them, yes.
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On March 12 2024 02:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 02:10 CopCake wrote:On March 12 2024 02:08 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2024 02:05 CopCake wrote:
At some point the list looked like this
Trfel (8): iamperfection, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, Vivax, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous
Justanothertownie (5): sandroba, Palmar, DarthPunk, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, Trfel, Rels
Then MZ and Oats added the votes to JAT making it 8 to Tfrel and 7 to JAT
That would have put JAT in danger. Where did you pull that list it looks wrong in all aspects. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621825-a-classy-vote-thread?page=5#97Post #97 After that you can see from the voting thread that Oats and MZ went to vote JAT What's the point? Do you have strong reason to believe that JAT and MZ are both town?
What so you mean what's the point? These votes are literally one of the very few solid pieces of evidence we have at this point. Assuming VE is mafia.
Also interesting for palmar to call a wagon with Oats, his mafia read MZ and people like Rels & dmb pure.
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Maybe dumb rather than interesting.
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On March 12 2024 02:28 Vivax wrote:Does it look like Oats switched to JAT because he was scumreading JAT?
Oats was mafia. He was not reading anyone anything. And no, he never even gave a reasoning to scumread me. Usually if people bus they add good reasons to look better afterwards and finding reasons to scum read your partners is always easy. They don't just throw their vote on there.
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On March 12 2024 02:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 02:33 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2024 02:28 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2024 02:26 CopCake wrote:
I honestly do not understand?
Does it look like Oats switched to JAT because he was scumreading JAT? Oats was mafia. He was not reading anyone anything. And no, he never even gave a reasoning to scumread me. Usually if people bus they add good reasons to look better afterwards and finding reasons to scum read your partners is always easy. They don't just throw their vote on there. It'd help if it was visible what your current opinion of VE, Copcake, MZ is.
Phone posting at work currently. I will tell you where I am at when I am at my laptop.
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