A Classy Game of Mafia - Page 13

On March 12 2024 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:
Just stay the course. I am pretty confident he is mafia.

On March 12 2024 04:18 justanothertownie wrote:

Brutal. Coming from the guy who thinks the dude who shot mafia is mafia.

On March 12 2024 06:15 CopCake wrote:
Like it doesnt matter, all i say is lie lie lie and only talk of one person.

Oh dear.

On March 05 2024 02:09 Vivax wrote:
Frustrating game so far, feels like talking to a wall.

On March 05 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Copcake why are you not voting for me?

On March 04 2024 14:55 ToTheStars wrote:
I also have a weak townlean on DP and Vivax

You guys are so slow with your day starts though, how can you make 0 votes in first 3 pages.

On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).

I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).

And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.

On March 05 2024 06:13 DarthPunk wrote:


So what do you think my alignment is now?

On March 05 2024 14:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Is this your auto response to pressure?

Ok sell me on Jacob.



I haven't played with him before and you say he's out of character. You voted TTS like 8 hours ago because he said he was going to survive late. I agree that JS's vote is really weak but is that enough for you to come off of TTS and essentially OMGUS JS? Just walk me through it bc I haven't played with him and I've got time and an open mind rn.

On March 06 2024 01:31 Oatsmaster wrote:

Okay so outside of the claim, how is vivax mafia

On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote:
I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way.
Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.

I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.

Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.

I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.

I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.

MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.

DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.

That's about it for now. Otherwise:

Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please.

On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote:
Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa

Man this game is easy

On March 06 2024 02:14 marvellosity wrote:

Why is it weird?

On March 06 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Scummy for copcake to come in here and shit on the lynch without being here

On March 06 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:
Meh on Trfel being lynched, I would have lynched over half the game before him

On March 06 2024 07:27 Koshi wrote:

Yeah maybe but CC and sandroba are town and they are townreading tfrel. So don't fuck up their game and lynch Tfrel over Hapa and Palmar.

On March 06 2024 07:55 Koshi wrote:
DP, can you do me a favor?
When closer to deadline, can you take a step back and feel the thread? Try to feel if the players that came back to the thread are pushing an agenda?

I think the last 12 hours town had control over the thread, I fear that the mafia let us be, and will come back once we are asleep.

I could name some people but that wont be fair to them.

marv should not be shaded during the next hours. There is no need for that. He left the masons and came to play in the thread, that is a positive thing.

My remaining nulls/scumreads went into hiding.

Do not shade marv until we see palmar flip town. There is no reason to doubt marv his alignment.
Remember marv posted reads in mason chat and rayn hard townread marv for it.

On March 06 2024 22:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I dont understand?

On March 07 2024 03:21 justanothertownie wrote:

Because I thought you might enlighten me without me having to go to your filter. DP obviously. Who else?

On March 07 2024 12:00 DarthPunk wrote:
Darthpunk's last will and testament.

Basically I have been trying to sort people since the flips and my reads have been changing a bit. but i'll post a brief summary here as guidance and reads.

And also so that i can prevent what I think are some of the biggest potential errors moving forward.

Do not lynch tier:

Palmar: He has looked really town since he started playing in the second part of day 1, in addition to my original reasons for not wanting him to be lynched (mindmeld with sandro, emotional congruence, effort to post reads when all was looking doomed) I think he has continued to look good, I find myself agreeing with his perspectives, I see hints of trolling, I think him and marv are vibing.

The interaction with cake's shit takes was really townie to me.

IT IS IMPORTANT YOU DON"T LYNCH PALMAR- can't stress this enough, no idea why people are getting stuck on small shit that doesn't matter, for example, rayn if you are town, it is well known that palmar doesn't do associative reads. The whole mason shit is a useless direction. This is probably the biggest throw for town imo.


Sandro

Is just getting down to business scumhunting and sorting. I think he is the best player to sheep this game if you are lost.

Oatsmaster

His play this game reminds me of his play in the last game where he was town, he is being smart, pushing in good directions and generally looks super town to me.

Vivax

Been discussed to death, he is the town JK in my opinion.

Perfection

Looked town all game pretty much, some of his takes I think are wrong, I think he looked really town around the lynch.

Also his scum play was terribad last time so I don't think this is that.


Probably town tier

Koshi

I was debating putting him in the tier above, because he has looked really townie all game, and dramatically different to his mafia game, which was really lackluster.

I don't think he pushes marv and rayn in the way he did as mafia.

There are a couple of things that give me pause to him being 'lock' town, first of all is a post where he is aggressively pushing rayn and then kind of completely reverses


I think it makes it clear the aggression was at least somewhat ingenuine.

I still think he is town but yeah not as confident as I was, also don't like the casually mentioning me as a possible mafia candidate after it seemed like I was lock town all game, but maybe that was NK wifom. :D

I am waiting for a 'smart' koshi moment and push which I haven't seen yet.

Rayn

Honestly this was a hard one for me to sort, there are times when i thought he was town and other times where I thought he was mafia.

I still don't really understand the way he has been interacting with me this game, it felt 'different' than normal. I thought it made him mafia, but currently I am putting it down to the fact he just thinks I am bad.

I think his best moments came this night when he went into 'solver mode' with JAT. and I think he had a really good push on cake, and subsequent ideas on DMB which I think are likely correct.

So town, the palmar/rayn shit started looking very TvT to me too. so there is that.

I don't think he is as correct as he assumes (like every game) but town.

Slam

Un CC'd cop (fuck you VE ) also looked town around the end of day chaos.


Marv

Has been playing a solid game so far, in the back of my mind I always think he is mafia for engagement tells, but when I was wrong last game I decided to shelve that as old meta. I think he is mafia he will slip up later, It's kind of weird for town!marv to not call me mafia but i don't really think he is mafia either. Biggest town tell for him I think is his penchant for defending weaker scummy players like copcake.

Also the shit with trfel, where he was really sad about reading the lynch, and the town read on hapa, both those pinged me as genuine and townie.


Possible mafia/possible town


Rels:

He has looked logical when he posts, but his wasted vote and push on palmar was a big red flag where it was useless and he wasn't really trying that hard to take thread control and change the lynch.

lack of investment could be explained by IRL matters, but I also think Rels could be mafia.

Also I remember him being WAY more aggressive as town. Like old school DP levels of aggression. Here he is just reasonable and meh.

MZ

I feel like he has been flying under the radar a bit, I liked his push on Cake, I liked his push on JSL less.

Calling me never lynch tier could be a possible pocketing attempt but also could be just because I tend to call him town when noone else does and we have vibed a few times this game.

Needs to do more for sure.

Jealous

Most likely to be scum out of these. i liked the open and transparent reasoning in his list post. I think he has looked worse ever since. The formulaic waffle of both sides of an argument is easy to just
go through the motions with as mafia. The way he is hard defending me from people also pings me a bit. I can defend myself, why is he not considering those arguments for why I am mafia? Could be a pocketing attempt.

TTS: Lurker.

JAT:

Looked really bad for the reasons outlined earlier by sandro and palmar day one.

I just don't think it makes sense he is mafia if palmar and trfel were town, he did this thing where he waited to swap to trefl even when i threatened to lynch him for it.

Doesn't really make sense for mafia to do that.

His posting has been looking good recently in its own right, particularly when interacting with Marv/Rayn

Mafia tier


DMB: The vote and case on me gave me pause for a bit, because of the WIFOM argument of why she would do it, but then refusing to give reads refusing to engage, talking about how exhausted I made her, all points to mafia, and then she actually immediately USED the WIFOM argument in her own defence.

Basically I think her and Cake are partnered, their push on me is basically the same, and they have waffled on their reads of each other. Kind of calling each other scummy and kind of not, and then kind of ignoring each other, but they both have the same top scum read since early on so none of that is natural or normal if they are both town. Looks like classic distancing to me.

I think DMB is showing the same traits this game as her previous game where she just tunnelled palmar IIRC and couldn't really form any other reads about the game.

Same thing here, I was trying to see if she had thought about anyone else, but no.

In her world 26 page DP is scum but she doesn't have the ability to scum read anyone else.

I don;t buy that at all.


Cake

I am running out of time so I can't grab the posts, but I think rayn was on the right track here at night.

She apparently has 4 scum reads but can only talk about me, same thing happened in her last scum read, just got tunnelled on 1-2 players and didn;t look elsewhere.

I gave her space to see if she would do something else, but she ended up just talking about me some more, all the things that apply to dmb re:cake above apply to cake re: dmb here.

I think marv is being super unhelpful by defending her when she is slipping really really hard.


JSL:

Lack of suspicion, didnt do anything with the encouragement on the koshi slip.

Soft defending DMB.

All the stuff sandro posted.

Also I forgot he told me before he would be engaged as mafia, so the engagement is a null tell for him.

VE

I really hate this but he just looks scummy and disengaged. I hope I am wrong so I don;t have to lynch him but I don;t think I am wrong, I think he is just mafia which sucks.

Ok one minute to go.

GL if I don;t see you on the other side.

On March 12 2024 06:46 Palmar wrote:
Oh now that koshi made a towncase I can see CC being mafia

On March 12 2024 21:14 CopCake wrote:
Why am I town, Koshi?

On March 13 2024 00:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have to fly tonight, I apologize for my activity but flying takes huge chunks out of my schedule. I will try and be around on my phone this morning and get started on a reread of Palmar. Anything is on the table rn with the VE flip and my current lack of conviction on cake.

The suspicion on Palmar also reminds me, we never heard from a Mason the whole of D3 so I'm guessing scum got it and just didn't want to talk?

On March 13 2024 00:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

DmB I have a meta townread on you, I'm not going to argue against people who say you haven't done much to help out but I'm gonna tell them I think you're a mislynch waiting to happen.

That's what Koshi felt about cake, and for what it's worth after the shenanigans of yesterday I actually kinda find myself agreeing with him.

Sometimes to solve games like this, at some point you have to accept someone else's read is more correct on a person, I wouldn't call Koshi scum for TRing you based on my read, just expedient to try and narrow down the pool of people he has to analyze. If I'm wrong about you dmb and you win as scum, I'll take my ridicule post game.

On March 13 2024 00:48 die_meatbaby wrote:


As scum, I wouldn't question a townread about me, no matter who it was from, but as a town I have to.
Especially when it comes from Koshi.
Of the last 3 games, I didn't get a single townread from him, no matter what I was.

On March 12 2024 21:14 CopCake wrote:
Why am I town, Koshi?