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To be entirely fair I can't fault y'all too much, I said I would have been fine with a VE lynch the following day unless something crazy happened.
Still, let me be mad at y'all for a bit. Buncha shennanying maniacs. Y'all do it so often that it is basically NAI, which makes it worse. Still doesn't make me hate y'all any less.
Y'all better pray CopCake flips town at some point or I will never forgive you.
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Someone earlier said "vote analysis doesn't mean anything" or something, and generally speaking, I'd probably agree.
I haven't dared look yet (also mobile posting), but was there anyone who was on VE for both lynches? Anyone who shennanied onto them both times? Just out of curiosity.
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On March 12 2024 11:20 iamperfection wrote: well if you have something to say jealous why dont you just say it? I think I said everything I wanted to say tbh and I'm not gonna try to do a vote analysis from my phone at a bar atm. Was kinda hoping people would come forward of their own volition and maybe someone else would handle it for me 😂
I guess also feelin' lonely with just the three of us here. I already got your initial reactions, woulda wanted to have some my CopCake wagonmates here ;-;
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On March 12 2024 11:07 iamperfection wrote: listen
The hammer was right there i couldn't resist. Ngl this made me chuckle IRL though so thanks for that
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On March 12 2024 11:23 JacobStrangelove wrote: We got shennanied on and robbed
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On March 12 2024 11:25 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 11:23 Jealous wrote:On March 12 2024 11:07 iamperfection wrote: listen
The hammer was right there i couldn't resist. Ngl this made me chuckle IRL though so thanks for that i was very disappointed i had to delete my bragging gif. Nothing personal but knowing that alone has made all of this almost worth it, thanks again 🙏
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On March 12 2024 11:44 JacobStrangelove wrote: Could have still been tvt lynch True, but this is schrodinger's lynch. Before the lynch, their alignment was unknown. They opened the box so they killed the conf!town!VE.
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On March 12 2024 13:50 iamperfection wrote: I couldn't resist dp. 😏
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On March 12 2024 14:13 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 14:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 12 2024 14:10 iamperfection wrote:On March 12 2024 13:59 DarthPunk wrote: People on VE over oats look really bad.
People on VE over cake look really bad.
Well that fits palmar. It fits me too but we can ignore that part. And Koshi. You are all in the poe to be honest, need to read you all again. And MZ. Hmm, seems familiar:
On March 11 2024 11:27 Jealous wrote: At this point, my order of most likely to be scum individually with no investigations on associations are:
1. CopCake or VE, basically tied. 2. Koshi/Rels/Palmar. 3. MZ. 4. JAT. 5. Iamperfection. 6. DMB.
That's basically my PoE, and I'll work through them in that manner as time allows and as flips come in, basically. Obviously a few alterations but I think the roadmap can be adjusted at this point.
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Can you elaborate on why CC is town now that VE is town? Because instead of taking the easy dogpile on the wagon, she voted for herself?
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On March 12 2024 15:35 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 15:23 Jealous wrote: Can you elaborate on why CC is town now that VE is town? Because instead of taking the easy dogpile on the wagon, she voted for herself? I mean yeah that is pretty much it tbh. In the situation where be and cc are scum they might be helpless and both self vote and be sad in qt right? But they aren't, game isn't hopeless, at least two hidden or semi hidden scum out there. Cupcake would have at least the most basic social requirement to them to hold on slightly longer so they have more chance of winning. Hence cc is town who feels they are playing solo and depressed. Thanks. Not pressuring you directly FWIW, just wanted to bounce ideas and have it said to me in a different way than the way I have been reading it myself through the WIFOM/WIOM fog.
Fucked up part is I can totally see it this way. Have to do some thinking about whether coached scum!CopCake can pull this off for a worst-case 1 for 1 with VE, knowing that both are likely to be lynched, you know? I can see the TvT lynch scenario now for the same reasons you listed, though. Need a clearer mind to wade through the BS.
Sad part is both played so scummy IMO that it's hard to accept an alternative to one of them being scum, but it does indeed feel more likely than before
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On March 13 2024 03:35 iamperfection wrote:I have been reading old palmar games and i may have confirmation bias but in general i would say he is a tad more aggressive as town and certainly more invested i would say. I would say palmar hasnt been that invested and has certainly been more passive which is more similar to his scum games. also as an aside https://tl.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?user=PalmarThis game is insane and has marv rayn and palmar at endgame and i have no memory of it lol. Lol:
On March 24 2015 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I so fucking deserved to win this game and you are all fucking bad. I quit mafia. I feel you, rayn:
On March 24 2015 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not because i was lynched but because when logic does not dictate the game any more it is not a game for me.
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On March 13 2024 05:16 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 05:09 justanothertownie wrote:On March 13 2024 05:06 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 12:50 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Trefel do you want to be mayor? Sorry I completely missed this somehow. I wouldn't mind being mayor, I think one advantage of me theoretically being mayor is that I am generally obvious town. I think it's very dangerous to nominate someone like Holyflare as mayor, since he has an extremely terrifying scum game capability, and giving them the extra protection is dangerous. Unfortunately I'm pretty garbage as mafia, and I think someone with a bad scum game is a good choice for mayor. However, I also am garbage at day 1's. Like DarthPunk, I don't think campaigning for mayor makes much sense, if people want to vote for me they can, I'm not going to worry too much about it.
@DarthPunk, why don't you like Oatsmaster? I just read through his filter and it actually seems reasonable to me. This is so weird, why did oatmaster ask Tfrel to be mayor? Why is that interesting in your opinion? They are both dead. Because it was out of nowhere. There must be a reason. Why is analyzing the interactions of the dead players bad? Ofc I am also seeing how Tfrel reacted to others but this pinged me in the wrong way. What is the implication of this interaction to you about the players currently alive and the current game state?
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On March 13 2024 06:09 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 05:42 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 05:16 CopCake wrote:On March 13 2024 05:09 justanothertownie wrote:On March 13 2024 05:06 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 12:50 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Trefel do you want to be mayor? Sorry I completely missed this somehow. I wouldn't mind being mayor, I think one advantage of me theoretically being mayor is that I am generally obvious town. I think it's very dangerous to nominate someone like Holyflare as mayor, since he has an extremely terrifying scum game capability, and giving them the extra protection is dangerous. Unfortunately I'm pretty garbage as mafia, and I think someone with a bad scum game is a good choice for mayor. However, I also am garbage at day 1's. Like DarthPunk, I don't think campaigning for mayor makes much sense, if people want to vote for me they can, I'm not going to worry too much about it.
@DarthPunk, why don't you like Oatsmaster? I just read through his filter and it actually seems reasonable to me. This is so weird, why did oatmaster ask Tfrel to be mayor? Why is that interesting in your opinion? They are both dead. Because it was out of nowhere. There must be a reason. Why is analyzing the interactions of the dead players bad? Ofc I am also seeing how Tfrel reacted to others but this pinged me in the wrong way. What is the implication of this interaction to you about the players currently alive and the current game state? I play the game in a different way that you can call garbage. I have had the theory that Tfrel wagon was because - someone was afraid - . I will always ask myself why TTS or even VE werent the lynch if - I understood correctly - the lynch was because Tfrel wasnt engaging enough in contrast to his amazing town game, lack of activity, voting just something, etc. There are factors I noticed that people might have no considered because they do not think they are important but Tfrel had a birthday cake on his username when the game started, he said he wasnt aware it wasnt his birthday so people let it go but it is something that stayed on my head so not seeing a lot of him to me could have been justified because he was busy irl. Other things I considered unfair is that he explained his reasons to be inactive and it was considered AtE. I remember a game in which marv shared something irl and he got questioned of AtE but got the benefit of the doubt. Why didnt Tfrel got that treatment? Why didnt they change TTS when Tfrel posted that? I have played with Tfrel so so so so many games you know he doesnt pull that stuff. I assume others have played more times with him than me. I am very suspicious of some people that were in his wagon. Specially Palmar. He calls out Tfrel for just voting for the sake of voting, calls Slam is just Slam but when Slam changes his vote for pressure , “Slam is a good boy”. You can check that part from the Palmar filter to see if I am not missreading. 1. FWIW some people put a fake birthday in their profile, which may be why he "didn't know" it was his birthday. Furthermore, I believe that birthdays align with KST as that is default TL time, so it may have been many hours ahead of his actual birthday, but whatever, not going to dive into this OOG line of discussion.
2. What does any of this have to do with Oats, being mayor, etc.? That's the part I'm not understanding.
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On March 13 2024 07:10 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 06:09 CopCake wrote:On March 13 2024 05:42 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 05:16 CopCake wrote:On March 13 2024 05:09 justanothertownie wrote:On March 13 2024 05:06 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 12:50 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Trefel do you want to be mayor? Sorry I completely missed this somehow. I wouldn't mind being mayor, I think one advantage of me theoretically being mayor is that I am generally obvious town. I think it's very dangerous to nominate someone like Holyflare as mayor, since he has an extremely terrifying scum game capability, and giving them the extra protection is dangerous. Unfortunately I'm pretty garbage as mafia, and I think someone with a bad scum game is a good choice for mayor. However, I also am garbage at day 1's. Like DarthPunk, I don't think campaigning for mayor makes much sense, if people want to vote for me they can, I'm not going to worry too much about it.
@DarthPunk, why don't you like Oatsmaster? I just read through his filter and it actually seems reasonable to me. This is so weird, why did oatmaster ask Tfrel to be mayor? Why is that interesting in your opinion? They are both dead. Because it was out of nowhere. There must be a reason. Why is analyzing the interactions of the dead players bad? Ofc I am also seeing how Tfrel reacted to others but this pinged me in the wrong way. What is the implication of this interaction to you about the players currently alive and the current game state? I play the game in a different way that you can call garbage. I have had the theory that Tfrel wagon was because - someone was afraid - . I will always ask myself why TTS or even VE werent the lynch if - I understood correctly - the lynch was because Tfrel wasnt engaging enough in contrast to his amazing town game, lack of activity, voting just something, etc. There are factors I noticed that people might have no considered because they do not think they are important but Tfrel had a birthday cake on his username when the game started, he said he wasnt aware it wasnt his birthday so people let it go but it is something that stayed on my head so not seeing a lot of him to me could have been justified because he was busy irl. Other things I considered unfair is that he explained his reasons to be inactive and it was considered AtE. I remember a game in which marv shared something irl and he got questioned of AtE but got the benefit of the doubt. Why didnt Tfrel got that treatment? Why didnt they change TTS when Tfrel posted that? I have played with Tfrel so so so so many games you know he doesnt pull that stuff. I assume others have played more times with him than me. I am very suspicious of some people that were in his wagon. Specially Palmar. He calls out Tfrel for just voting for the sake of voting, calls Slam is just Slam but when Slam changes his vote for pressure , “Slam is a good boy”. You can check that part from the Palmar filter to see if I am not missreading. 1. FWIW some people put a fake birthday in their profile, which may be why he "didn't know" it was his birthday. Furthermore, I believe that birthdays align with KST as that is default TL time, so it may have been many hours ahead of his actual birthday, but whatever, not going to dive into this OOG line of discussion. 2. What does any of this have to do with Oats, being mayor, etc.? That's the part I'm not understanding. Correction, the part I was not understanding is why it's relevant now, but #2 is still a good question. You did address my original question by saying "I am very suspicious of some people that were in his wagon. Specially Palmar."
Didn't want to make it seem like I am moving goalposts on you.
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On March 13 2024 10:23 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 04:00 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 03:40 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2024 03:35 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 03:02 justanothertownie wrote:Koshi, please explain how this: On March 12 2024 17:05 Koshi wrote:Ok. Game is still very interesting. I am glad iamp decided to go for VE because that position was unholdable. We blame rayn, marv and sandroba for this one. Next. As palmar said. This is just the first lynch in a mini. No need to worry. I think I actually connected with Jealous yesterday. So I dont scum read him anymore. I really have to rethink MZ. If our alliance should continue.JAT & Rels. So difficult. Palmar  ((( I'll probably will be under fire more and more. Which is fine. Really fun game. Mafia is doing well. Became this: On March 12 2024 17:26 Koshi wrote: Rels Jealous and MZ I think Jealous and I were both equally flabbergasted by what was happening yesterday. Should be a good basis to build on comming days. I have a nagging feeling Rels is mafia since the start. It is that or he is playing quasi perfect and that sits bad. I should reread him for sure but my gut says to look here. MZ and I are friends now. It is just easier for me if I dont have to think about dmb. MZ pleading to me to look into CC felt townie. On March 12 2024 21:06 Koshi wrote: Palmar/JAT/Rels then. Maybe dmb but I trust my man MZ. On March 13 2024 02:16 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 01:46 Vivax wrote: Just waiting for Koshi to townread him so we get the okay from flight control Funny. But he is my ally. No questions asked. With nothing in between. You are taking 2 people who I could see being mafia from the table for very flimsy reasoning. Was there a great reevaluation which you did not tell us? Or did you just forget you were supposed to rethink this? I did. And we are still friends. Sounds like one of you/Mz got the unclaimed whisperer. Inexplicably sad today. Is it one of you It was me. I cba with that. I had the thought during my work that the whisperer not claiming meant it probably ended up on a scum that didn't want the pressure of talking or claiming they had it but wouldn't use it. In my mind, that meant that Palmar/you/JAT/DP/Jealous/Vivax for sure didn't get it. Very, very surprised that you didn't at least claim it during the day To be fair, as scum!Koshi he could have just never claimed it and the thought that it went to scum would still be the default, so honestly him claiming it later in the cycle is NAI at worst IMO.
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On March 13 2024 10:38 JacobStrangelove wrote: I just don't get what you're going die here. Damn what a scum slip ;D
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On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote: Kind of lost I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint.
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