Winter Warfare Mafia

On November 14 2023 10:05 Grackaroni wrote:
Players

1 marvellosity
2 Vivax
3 die_meatbaby
4 DarthPunk
5 raynpelikoneet
6 Palmar
7 Chezinu
8 Koshi
9 Alakaslam
10 Sandroba
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12
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On November 28 2023 14:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Only for Jacob's eyes (and ears)
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On December 10 2023 05:34 marvellosity wrote:

Everything in moderation young man!

On December 10 2023 10:55 Chezinu wrote:

A specific character

On December 10 2023 12:40 Trfel wrote:
How are you doing, Alakaslam? Anyone else around?

I do find it interesting that there is a mason mechanic this game. Not sure if there is any way to realistically use that to our advantage, but I guess it probably doesn't hurt?

On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote:
I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature

On December 10 2023 13:25 Trfel wrote:
I guess instead of waiting I'll let the cat out of the bag, I'm impatient.

This post seems very wishy-washy, non-committal, and pointless. The first paragraph doesn't really say anything of substance (not that it's wrong per se, just doesn't really contribute anything meaningful to the game). The second paragraph is the same way. To me, he seems to end with exactly no read (and next to no thoughts) on Alakaslam. There's even "I like the poking about smiles, but it's phrased as a question so there is avoidance as well" which seems like aggressive-but-with-a-heavy-grain-of-salt that is easy to say without actually committing to it. "Posting within what I expected" and "not leaning one way or the other based on initial posts" doesn't end up meaning much at all.

The other thing I want to note is all of the caveats and grain of salts and backtracking in sandroba's post. Not exactly sure how to phrase what I mean, but see here, in red:

He's shying away from saying something, like making a read and then backing off from it. Or giving a reason to doubt what he just said, or placing a limiter on it. For such a small post, it's riddled with it. To me, this comes across as trying to be non-committal and playing the "safe game" while making it look like you are saying things and trying to figure things out.

On December 10 2023 13:31 Trfel wrote:
You're off of work now, right? I admit I was pretty surprised that you were so active and excited and then suddenly vanished.

On December 10 2023 13:40 Trfel wrote:
What do you mean exactly by this, Alakaslam?

On December 10 2023 14:00 sandroba wrote:

It's not "no read", it's a few things that point one way or the other. The point of sharing inconclusive thoughts is that it helps other players make sense of my alignment and also invites others to partake in the discussion.

On December 10 2023 17:10 DarthPunk wrote:



Trfel, what kind of committed position would you reasonably expect sandroba to have at that point in the game?

On December 10 2023 17:15 DarthPunk wrote:


low effort, even for you :D

On December 10 2023 17:20 DarthPunk wrote:


As you seem like the only one here, what are your thoughts on the sandroba, trfel entrances?

On December 10 2023 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Bluey is amazing

On December 10 2023 17:54 DarthPunk wrote:


Do you really think that sandroba and trfel were the same? That's not how i view it at all.

On December 10 2023 18:24 Alakaslam wrote:
I see it regarding your point with Trfel, DP, but I also see DarthPunk's point about super early suspicions and that makes me unsure about your point on Trfel because it is still early

On December 10 2023 19:47 Trfel wrote:
I guess I meant the conclusion, but fair enough.I just wasn't sure if you meant that you were agreeing or something else. Just wanted to check if I was missing something. Perhaps I was overly cautious but I didn't want to assume and be wrong.Hi Chezinu, I'm Trfel! Hope you have been well these past few years.I'm not expecting some huge commitment or 100% certain reads or anything like that. But I think it's reasonable to expect something of substance. Sandroba failed to provide that. I understand people wanting to share thoughts, even if they aren't sure about the conclusions, but at the same time it's a game of mafia where the conclusions about people's alignments is ultimately what matters. My point about sandroba isn't that he didn't have any strong conclusions, it's the amount of thoughts he shared without any conclusions whatsoever and the way that he seemingly undermined any conclusion he could have made with doubt and take-backsies or whatever you want to call it. I don't think that everything needs to progress the game necessarily, or have a distinct purpose, it's that sandroba's post is the type of post that should have a purpose but just doesn't.

@Alakaslam, I'm getting lost in my quotes but this is in reference to what I asked earlier, where you said you agreed with my points about sandroba's post.This seems surprising. In multiple ways to be honest. First, why did you agree with my post if it's just an overreaction? Second, wouldn't an overreaction by both imply that both are town, but then you said it could be mafia/mafia? Am I misreading something here? The first question is what I wanted to get at though, since it seems that this is quite the shift in direction.

On December 10 2023 21:28 Trfel wrote:
Wait, what?

I'm gonna need you to explain this one as well.

On December 10 2023 21:41 Vivax wrote:
Palmar a bit too sure of himself in tone for my liking. Like he's got somebody lined up to be gifted a pair of shiny concrete boots, maybe a weak teammate under threat (which could be sandro).

He's very conscious of the Trfel/Sandro dichotomy here but not as motivated to deliver much explanation of his own as he is to appear motivated to lynch into it.

On December 10 2023 22:00 Trfel wrote:
What does that acknowledgment provide?

Also, any thoughts on Alakaslam? I know he plays a bit on impulse but I still find it very strange how his thoughts followed the thread sentiment so directly.

On December 10 2023 22:40 marvellosity wrote:

Is it though

On December 10 2023 23:59 Koshi wrote:
Ready to be lynched. I am so happy.

On December 11 2023 00:19 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count

raynpelikoneet (2): Holyflare, Vivax
marvellosity (1): Koshi
Trfel (0): DarthPunk

Not Voting (9): marvellosity, die_meatbaby, DarthPunk, raynpelikoneet, Palmar, Chezinu, Alakaslam, Sandroba, Trfel

With 2 votes, raynpelikoneet is currently set to be lynched!

The deadline is Tuesday, Dec 12 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in

On December 11 2023 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Let's say there would be votes on two people you would understand them to be on, who would they be?

On December 11 2023 01:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

"You convinced him lol" is not how it works though if youre town.

On December 11 2023 00:19 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count

raynpelikoneet (2): Holyflare, Vivax
marvellosity (1): Koshi
Trfel (0): DarthPunk

Not Voting (9): marvellosity, die_meatbaby, DarthPunk, raynpelikoneet, Palmar, Chezinu, Alakaslam, Sandroba, Trfel

With 2 votes, raynpelikoneet is currently set to be lynched!

The deadline is Tuesday, Dec 12 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in

On December 11 2023 02:38 Alakaslam wrote:
I, also, still eagerly look forward to Holyflare's explanation of his vote

On December 11 2023 02:40 Koshi wrote:
Tfrel and DP should start a town circle. Invite Palmar to be the jester.

On December 11 2023 02:48 Chezinu wrote:

Hello Mr. Truffles!! I haven't eaten a truffle in a few years. However, I have embarked on a journey to the Citdal to understand the underworlings of the sentinels. I'm in deep. Deep within beyond the convulsional layers form by the kernels. I will try and send you photos of my findings.

On December 11 2023 03:09 Trfel wrote:
I do remember your views changing, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. It felt to me like your views were changing at a convenient time if you were mafia, but that may just be how you play (again, not a bad thing, just stuck out to me). I think I'll let you do your thing and come back to this at a future point.

On December 11 2023 03:28 Vivax wrote:
Greetings Holyflour, have you brought us a sand witch to roast?

On December 11 2023 03:31 Trfel wrote:
Also, when do we policy lynch marvellosity for smiles being suspicious?

On December 11 2023 03:35 Vivax wrote:
I didn't know they went to church in North Korea

On December 11 2023 03:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think HF is scum.

On December 11 2023 02:15 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 11 2023 00:19 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count

raynpelikoneet (2): Holyflare, Vivax
marvellosity (1): Koshi
Trfel (0): DarthPunk

Not Voting (9): marvellosity, die_meatbaby, DarthPunk, raynpelikoneet, Palmar, Chezinu, Alakaslam, Sandroba, Trfel

With 2 votes, raynpelikoneet is currently set to be lynched!

The deadline is Tuesday, Dec 12 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in

On December 11 2023 04:38 Koshi wrote:
I'll add 2 more names DP and Tfrel could consider inviting. rayn and slam.

On December 11 2023 05:09 Chezinu wrote:



Do you need a virtual church? I Rs by a Citadel. Perhaps communications via the wire, we can praise da King!

On December 11 2023 05:15 Chezinu wrote:
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...

May the Aleph Tav, the mark of the covenant, seal you from damnation though we all guilty of much punishment. Thank the Lord for the Lamb, which spare us from what we deserve. Praise the Lord for His grace and mercy!

On December 11 2023 05:18 Chezinu wrote:
The good Lord preached to love our enemies! May the green love the red!! He encouraged us to love each other as we love ourselves! They hated him because he said what they did was evil and they loved their darkness. May the Lord free them from their addiction, which is their slavery!

On December 11 2023 05:25 Chezinu wrote:
Dear Mafias,

You do not have to follow the path of redness though your name is stained with red. You can live without eliminating the green and blue. You can resist the urge to kill!! It is not too late for a blue priest to make you green!! Just repent openly and confess to the priest and He will remove your redness. You could be green or even perhaps blue!!

On December 11 2023 05:32 Holyflare wrote:
How can it be omgus when I've barely posted anything accusatory lol

On December 11 2023 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I repent, i am a greenery!!! Oh praise me lord!!!!!!!!!!

On December 11 2023 05:43 Holyflare wrote:


And this is different from everyone else in the thread? Why is mine more OMGUSable than anyone else's?

On December 11 2023 05:49 Chezinu wrote:


Why Slam!! Why?!?!?!?

I wrote the letter to the Mafia and Ye responded!! My brother!! If you do kill, please spare me my brother!!

On December 11 2023 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I might stay up to 1am just to see if Koshi is mafia or not.

On December 11 2023 07:40 marvellosity wrote:

I don’t see the point in talking about this yet. Of course he plays anti-town.

In 24h if he plays the same still it’s more interesting. As he will be playing against his wincon if town which is just mega shitty and deserves a policy lynch

On December 11 2023 07:41 Chezinu wrote:

Great advice. For God worked 6 days and rested on the 7th. Man is not God whom always works. Man is weak and must realistic his humble state and sleep to become more aware and repair. Not taking a day off can lead to anxiety, stress, less time with family, and sadness. Oh and also stupidity!

On December 11 2023 07:44 marvellosity wrote:

Reword please Slam? What are you saying or asking me?

On December 11 2023 07:48 marvellosity wrote:

Still don’t understand, but I was catching up a bunch of pages and it was a lot of DP Trfel. Which I’ve still not talked about. So I still don’t know what’s going on tbh

On December 11 2023 07:49 DarthPunk wrote:
I have no idea what Koshi actually thinks and he can post pretty much whatever he wants and have plausible deniability.

I can see why he wants to do this.

I think we should lynch him for it TBH.

Doesn't hurt that its closer to his scum meta than his town meta based on an incredibly large sample size of 3 games or something.

On December 11 2023 07:51 marvellosity wrote:

Of course maybe he’s mafia, but there’s no real reason to think so other than what he has been doing is anti-town.

Although he seems he kinda can’t help himself and is making a couple of relevant posts now. Which was my point about waiting.

Anyway I still don’t understand what you’re getting at, it’s either policy lynch town or hit mafia. Didn’t think I needed to be that explicit…

On December 11 2023 07:52 marvellosity wrote:

Why didn’t I mention what?

I can’t say I’m enjoying this exchange, I’m just getting confused :p

On December 11 2023 07:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Slam is beast mode here WTF.

On December 11 2023 08:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Slam is chez town?

On December 11 2023 08:28 DarthPunk wrote:


Any other reads?>

On December 11 2023 08:31 Alakaslam wrote:

Yes.

Koshi town.
You (DP) town.
Rayn town.
Palmar town.

Holyflare possible scum but 1. I have a fear negative bias out of respect for his scum play and 2. He has been culling that in me, but 3. 1 makes this wifom.

Trfel possible scum.

The rest are unclear enough for me to not provide reads.

On December 11 2023 08:37 DarthPunk wrote:
Why is Koshi strong town to you slam?

On December 11 2023 08:42 DarthPunk wrote:


I'm talking about trfel, he is my only strong scum read right now. Koshi is closer to voting against the meta abuse.

On December 11 2023 08:42 Holyflare wrote:


Can you quote this post?



Probably a disservice to what you write but you fill up a lot of thread gets clogged up with you going back and forth with the person you already think is mafia to the point where I just zone out and don't want to engage anywhere near either of you.

This post is probably good though if it is correct so thanks for the summary. I don't agree with your "he's calling me town" rhetoric though, I think that was clutching at straws.

On December 11 2023 08:53 Koshi wrote:

Tfrel is not mafia.

1) He identified Vivax correctly. how do you know?
2) He tries to pull in people in the thread, make them part of the conversation. In a very healthy way and is doing that consistently. Yeah, so healthy he and DP had Marv begging them to stop (joke layers: 3. Yes the puns intended where they exist.)
3) He had an argument with DP which he was undergoing at first, but after DP gave him breathing space, Tfrel continued the fight. This is very unlikely to come from mafia. mafia never defend themselves, to be sure If he was mafia he would more likely take a breather and try to position himself good in the thread as this would have been his tactic from the start. I sure wouldn't But instead he kinda nonsensical attacks DP again. But not in a way to shit in the thread, it reads as if he actually was surprised DP gave him breathing room and found it suspicious. Maybe you see it that way- but I do not

Tfrel as mafia makes no sense. if he is scum, that is a high compliment indeed He took over from Sandrobe to be the town water carrier. by SR sandroba? Doesn't that just make Trfel a hypocrite to you? Koshi are you just mafia here?
People should help him instead of saying he is mafia or suspicious. He is doing the Lords work. I don't see that to be so. Schism is nothing new to the Church. I am Presbyterian, mostly.

You want people like your town read marv to carry this town instead. lael lael lael is this directed at me anymore?
Or this HF that can't string up a decent argument?

I think we should just all trust teh mafias and wait on Koshi to do something before we actually do something. That is a good tactic. I will say your sarcasm here is warranted. Town be lazy right now. Me too.

But I remain unconvinced.

I'll be waiting with them.

On December 11 2023 09:04 Koshi wrote:

Town are the only ones playing. Remember that.

On December 11 2023 09:05 Holyflare wrote:
Don't agree with Koshi points but I don't disagree that he could have those thoughts legitimately. Not sure why he feels the need to interject in favour of trfel when only dp is really gunning for this trfel stance though.

Also bit sad that despite it being many years he still just seems bitter that I exist as a human being.

On December 11 2023 09:11 Alakaslam wrote:

For the last part, has he really shown this?

If so

Koshi I can vouch, this one is much more level headed and fair than his mafia play would suggest. If you can defend someone who has totally different and largely considered evil and toxic political views from yourself (to the point that this person openly admits to arguing with his old friend, the former liberal recent ㅡNaziㅡ) on grounds of recognizing that guilt does not necessarily imbue by association,

That automatically puts you in the best 5% or better of humanity.

Enough meta had to rant

On December 11 2023 09:10 Koshi wrote:

I love everybody. Just some more than others.
I just think you are clear mafia here. So therefore I forgot to do some pleasantries.

Here is a joke to make up for my rudeness.

Why can’t you hear a pterodactyl going to the bathroom?
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 11 2023 09:18 Vivax wrote:
Rayn has made a few observations I could see coming from town.

I don't want to read DP either way yet. Or at least I don't think I can.

Discussing HFs alignment on D1 is pointless you either lynch him because he's HF or you don't, but not because he's town.

Palmar + Slam lists looked reasonable to me, mostly.

+ Show Spoiler +

When reading Sandro, I don't see it explained why he assumes that I'm his worst voter.

On December 11 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:


I forgot to respond to this.

Essentially, when you are playing with people who are new, aggressiveness signals confidence in prosecuting a scum hunting agenda, townies are less refined in what they are looking for, and will see something that is potentially scummy and attack.

This is why on a surface level *level 1* early aggression is a town trait, and I think this holds true for newer players.

What I think is that as people develop in skill and understanding, aggression becomes a *tool* that is wielded, either by town to determine alignments or by mafia to hide in plain sight and push mis lynches in a way that is *too obvious to be scum*

The general differentiator in my opinion, is that town aggression tends to be built on curiosity and inquisitiveness, and mafia aggression tends to be built on decisions that have already been made.

Therefore, when I said you were too committed early, I was saying that you were aggressive in a way that seemed like you were prosecuting an agenda to find Sandro scummy, rather than curious about the reasoning behind his post.

Essentially, town want to find truth without agenda. Scum wants to advance their agenda without in spite of truth.

The reason I find you scummy is that you are aggressive without curiosity. And what follows are pushes without foundation.

On December 10 2023 13:25 Trfel wrote:
I guess instead of waiting I'll let the cat out of the bag, I'm impatient.

This post seems very wishy-washy, non-committal, and pointless. The first paragraph doesn't really say anything of substance (not that it's wrong per se, just doesn't really contribute anything meaningful to the game). The second paragraph is the same way. To me, he seems to end with exactly no read (and next to no thoughts) on Alakaslam. There's even "I like the poking about smiles, but it's phrased as a question so there is avoidance as well" which seems like aggressive-but-with-a-heavy-grain-of-salt that is easy to say without actually committing to it. "Posting within what I expected" and "not leaning one way or the other based on initial posts" doesn't end up meaning much at all.

The other thing I want to note is all of the caveats and grain of salts and backtracking in sandroba's post. Not exactly sure how to phrase what I mean, but see here, in red:

He's shying away from saying something, like making a read and then backing off from it. Or giving a reason to doubt what he just said, or placing a limiter on it. For such a small post, it's riddled with it. To me, this comes across as trying to be non-committal and playing the "safe game" while making it look like you are saying things and trying to figure things out.

On December 11 2023 09:31 Vivax wrote:


Undecided pile.

On December 11 2023 09:46 Vivax wrote:


Idk what you meant here and with the perceptive thing.

Koshi spent 99% of his effort so far in trying to explain that Trfel is not mafia.

On December 11 2023 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:


That is important imo objectively important

On December 11 2023 10:09 DarthPunk wrote:


Did you get his permission to do this?

On December 11 2023 10:10 die_meatbaby wrote:

sorry getting active now. The thing is i don´t like how Koshi is just like 100% sure that Trfel is Town and just almost every post from him is like trying to save him. But also if Koshi is mafia he wouldn´t be that activ.

On December 11 2023 10:15 DarthPunk wrote:
I have a 55 page report due in 3 days, this game is killing my productivity, I think im an addict. :D

On December 11 2023 10:19 die_meatbaby wrote:


That´s the first really helpfull post you ever made in any game i have played with you.

On December 11 2023 10:24 Palmar wrote:
Vivax’s filter is terrible lol

On December 11 2023 10:27 die_meatbaby wrote:

I will print it, frame it and put in front of to the toilet

On December 11 2023 20:36 Palmar wrote:
I promised a list post earlier, so here's some Palmar thoughts:

I am not lynching Slam today. My 100% town read is obviously overblown but I think in general he is ok. I have become more suspicious of him recently but he's firmly in the list of unlynchables today.

I am not lynching Trfel. My initial call still makes sense, mafia doesn't excitedly want to dump their shit in the thread. Mafia dreads posting. He's also been active albeit not very useful.

I an not lynching DP today. His effort is high, his reads are mostly decent and his entire thread presence looks like someone that's actually trying. Love him stirring shit up like this.

I am not lynching dmb today, if only for the fact that he's so annoyed at me for being me, yet still agrees through "independent research" that Vivax should be killed. You're a strong independent person!

I am not lynching Koshi today. I went through his filter and he pretty much sees the game exactly as I do. He's half-assedly trying to break up what I agree are TvT fights. He calls Vivax boring before I do. Pretty good performance.

I am not lynching rayn today. He's looked town for a while and immediately recognized me being town without any qualifiers or anything.

This leaves the following list:

Vivax
Marv
Sandroba
Chezinu
Holyflare

Out of those Chezinu is just a crapshoot lynch if we have nothing better. We absolutely have something better. Holyflare hasn't really done much but I also have not really spotted any reason to kill him right now.

If I was to guess a mafia team on this day 1 it'd be Vivax, Marv, Sandroba.

I've somewhat said things about Sandroba and Vivax. The problem I have with marv is his unenthusiastic response to the Vivax accusation. Throw in the defeat-ist response just now to DP's case. It's not hard to tell a towny he's an idiot, but marv seems almost... too tired?

I think the case against Vivax is the strongest one. I'll see if I can find time to flesh it out a little bit more into an actual case, but his filter is just sooo sooo boring and terrible. He's absolutely not trying to solve the game. As a side note, and this is mostly a personal thing, when I made my first list post I had opinions on pretty much everyone that has posted EXCEPT for Vivax. That's how unremarkable his contributions were.

Unremarkable and boring is almost always mafia.

As a side note, I had completely forgotten how rayn is like only 99% literate. It's hilarious the semantics and shit he gets stuck on and argues with.

I'm pretty happy with this day one.

On December 11 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:
If you can't be bothered reading the big post (you really fucking should)

This is a snapshot. a pretty egregious case of incongruence:

Rayn asks for an opinion on holyflare. Marv is.... Non-commital.





Two unrelated posts later.


7B


Marv thinks holyflare is town, or at least not mafia because he can follow his thoughts. Why does Marv not say that in the first place? Why does he say nothing at all when it is clear he in fact has something to say?

between those posts, holyflare had not posted a thing.

On December 11 2023 22:03 marvellosity wrote:
By the way Palmar, or anyone who cares to read. The reason for my responses to DP being low energy is that basically every game we played this year DP has made a mega case on me pointing out inconsistencies and incongruities (that aren’t true) and twisting my entire filter into a scummy narrative.

The thing is, if he does this to me every time we play, sometimes I’m town, sometimes I’m mafia, but DP is only right sometimes because I am sometimes mafia. A broken clock is right twice a day.

It is tiring hearing the same case over and over, as nothing in it ever makes me mafia, he has no idea how to read me, he just makes the same case every game. It’s tedious that that becomes the focal point of my attention, rather than happily bumbling along with my suspicions on sandro and Vivax.

On December 11 2023 22:04 Vivax wrote:
I also plan on being entertaining when the mood is right, unlike pornstars you don't see my jokes coming from miles away. Right now the mood is that there's a lot of, pardon, excrement tier of information flying about and I'd rather find mafia without having to read every single post in here cause some guys I won't call out write like they wake up every morning with an adderall IV drip in their veins.

On December 11 2023 22:29 Holyflare wrote:


You think the world is that mafia went after mafia who OMGUSed back onto their mafia partner, just for the 3rd mafia partner to pick one of the mafia partners to start tunelling?

What on earth

On December 11 2023 23:51 Palmar wrote:
The people are pleased with your suffering Vivax.

On December 12 2023 00:12 marvellosity wrote:

As explained by multiple people now, it is bad.

On December 12 2023 00:23 Palmar wrote:


Why we should lynch Vivax

The case has been made pretty well by more people than me. The gist of it is that his early filter simply doesn't look like he's actually trying to solve the game. He's just floating along and asking boring questions. a particularly egregious one is this one:



Like... who cares dude? How is this a thing?

Then there's all the commentary on the thread "Palmar seems sure of himself" (no shit?), "rayn doesn't look eager for conclusions." Some random questions to random people with no appearance of any kind of critical thread he's chasing.

I'm not gonna make a massive case because the essence is pretty much this:





Like I honestly can't think of a more deserving day 1 lynch. Also for people who think "blue hunting" is a thing:



Which it obviously isn't and thinking this way is a very bad way of playing the game, Vivax already claimed VT so who cares.

I have some reasons not to lynch all the other candidates (well maybe not sandroba, but whatever). Marv and HF will reveal themselves to be mafia if they are, and Chez would just be a default lynch if we had no options.

Vivax is objectively the best lynch because I can't think of a single reason to keep him alive...


How we should lynch Vivax

If you're town your vote should be on Vivax and because of the weird deadline we should be incredibly resistant to shenanigans. If we last minute derail the lynch the chances are going down the drain we hit mafia AND it will reduce the information we have from the voting, even if I'm wrong (I'm not).

The reason we lose information is that bunch of people will be sleeping at the deadline and thus cannot commit one way or another in any last minute vote train.

If you don't agree with killing Vivax you need to present your findings as soon as possible, there really isn't that much left in the day.

We don't need Rambo players in this town going after their own lynch. You're only allowed to be town and not vote Vivax if you can make the case that he isn't mafia. Just making a case one someone else (like DP on Marv) isn't enough. This isn't about bragging rights, it's about maintaining control.

Also the first person who talks about the wagon being too easy should be shot.

What Vivax's death means

This is the hard part. If he flips mafia we get a bunch of good information. If he is mafia his friends have long since thrown him under the bus. Don't expect to find mafia in the resistance to the Vivax mafia lynch.

If he flips town it's more likely to find mafia in the resistance, but probably among the less vocal resistance. People who seem unsure or claim to be happy to lynch Vivax but maybe want to lynch someone else? Those are the people you need to focus on.

People who blindly sheep the case or do it because they genuinely believe in it are more likely to be town, regardless of alignment. Remember of course to only use the information up to this post, as I've just told the mafia how to appear town :D

Honestly even if Vivax flips town I don't think I need to reconsider my list of people all that much. There's still people who are following the case in a townie way and scummy way.

On December 12 2023 00:39 Trfel wrote:
Vivax, what gives?

On December 12 2023 00:47 Palmar wrote:


It's a little scummy.

He hasn't voted Vivax?

But he also hasn't told everyone to go for his preferred lynch of Sandroba?

Does he even care?

I am but a humble boy yet everyone is doing what I say? If marv cared he could get people to do what he says?

But this is not 100% mafia reasoning, but he's staying on my shit tier list for now.

On December 12 2023 00:57 marvellosity wrote:

I will consolidate when it comes to it, old chap.

On December 12 2023 06:02 DarthPunk wrote:
Wtf is chez doing btw

On December 12 2023 07:23 DarthPunk wrote:


LoL.

On December 12 2023 07:26 Vivax wrote:
Your new nickname cause your wagon is giving me the crabs.

This game feels more like Chlamydia than Liquidia.

What happened to you guys. Did you just crawl out of a drug den or something.

On December 12 2023 10:32 Chezinu wrote:


Hey guys, just got back from the Citadel.

On December 12 2023 10:08 die_meatbaby wrote:
Tbh this last 3-4 posts from Vivax looks like a Townie who trys to stay alive, but just the rest from his Filter looks still worse then anyone else here.
Also We are 9 vs 3 One miss lynch+ the night kill will leave us 6 vs 3. I really hope we don't fuck up with the lynch.

On December 12 2023 10:48 die_meatbaby wrote:

not helpfull.
You think Palmar is Town?

On December 12 2023 10:57 die_meatbaby wrote:


okey i love a chez lynch before he starts to meme up the thread and confuse me or creep me out with his strange post, but why is he scumy for you he was not posting much here. How can we read him? I can not soul read him as i do often in here espescially with players I already played. Feeling like gambling to vote on him and even if he flips red I can not see who would be with him. I am still sure he is not human. He is AI player which Grack is puting in the game for his on satisfaction to see us or def. me struggling to not. But I am open for an Chez lynch just not looking so scumy as V

On December 12 2023 11:34 DarthPunk wrote:
Can I have a roll call of who is ITT right now?

On December 12 2023 11:39 die_meatbaby wrote:
Fuck i don´t have a good feeling on lynch V right now. This looks so Townie just trying to not get killed. Fells like impulsive posts from emotions to keep playing.

On December 12 2023 11:47 DarthPunk wrote:
If you three switch we can lynch sandro instead.

On December 12 2023 11:56 DarthPunk wrote:
Slam, use the power of the brown to summon him.

On December 12 2023 12:49 DarthPunk wrote:
Slam just checking, you still think palmar is town right?

On December 12 2023 12:58 DarthPunk wrote:


you mean why did the wagon form there?

On December 12 2023 16:29 marvellosity wrote:
Should’ve gone with my lynch, eh boys?

On December 12 2023 16:43 marvellosity wrote:

You sure about all those?

I had some similar feelings yesterday but I’m not so sure now.

Why are you?

On December 12 2023 16:59 DarthPunk wrote:
Did anyone else feel the shockwave from palmars credibility collapsing from an all time high, right in front of our eyes 😂

On December 12 2023 17:55 Palmar wrote:
Regarding the whisperer thing I honestly don't really understand it's point, at least not early in the game. I guess it may be useful later on with some blue roles.

Slam got randomed it and invited me. That's the other and probably primary reason for his townread. He could have invited anyone really, and he had no idea I wouldn't really care about the whisperer thing. I think it's a slight townlean that he chose someone he openly mentioned pre-game thinking having an insight into his alignment. (I absolutely don't, I can't read troll players at all. I just policy lynch them occasionally or bully them).

We haven't said anything useful in it. I think my only contributions for it are like "I'm not gonna talk about being inactive for a weekend, just to see who else talks about it" and "I'm gonna claim this thing tonight".

On December 13 2023 00:10 marvellosity wrote:

I mean, I do love this song :p

On December 13 2023 01:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Slam why do you think Chezinu is town?

On December 13 2023 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Me or you or Chezinu, or his scumbuddy. Maybe not you.
Technically that's a chance, but like why claim?

On December 13 2023 02:09 marvellosity wrote:

That all sounds really risky.

The mechanic is that there is this “whisperer”. If there is a gap at some point, or a weird choice (Chez for example) that raises questions. Palmar does not raise questions.

On December 13 2023 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:

what do you mean?

On December 13 2023 07:02 marvellosity wrote:

You know a mafia can get more done on day 1 than anyone else, right? :p

On December 13 2023 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I guess night is troll phase so i think i am going to sauna. Cya in a while.

On December 13 2023 07:51 DarthPunk wrote:


FWIW I think chez would be more engaged if slam was on his team.

On December 13 2023 09:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i think i nailed HF to the wall regardless if i am right or wrong.

sandroba is mafia though
Koshi is prolly town tbh, i am just so sad.
trfel trfel... can trfel be mafia with sandroba?

On December 13 2023 09:19 DarthPunk wrote:


He knows he will survive....

On December 13 2023 09:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so you think sandroba + trfel is plausible?

On December 13 2023 10:03 DarthPunk wrote:
Slam reads please.

And sandro.

You should both be here.

On December 13 2023 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:


You can't drop off so hard from your day one play slam.

Surely you have an opinion on chez.

On December 11 2023 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck, why cant they get it?
someone help?

On December 13 2023 08:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:

if i am anything i am on you.

On December 13 2023 09:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Okay i love you more, but i did anyways <3

On December 13 2023 09:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i think i nailed HF to the wall regardless if i am right or wrong.

sandroba is mafia though
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i is prolly town tbh, i am just so sad.
trfel trfel... can trfel be mafia with sandroba?