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On December 19 2023 06:51 die_meatbaby wrote:I reread the game and this d2 is just confusing as hell. The thing what really bothers me is T right before the lynch T writing this: Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 08:48 Trfel wrote:
I don't know. If nothing changes I guess the right play is just for me to vote Palmar to consolidate and hope for the best?
Which I will do if it comes to it, would just really rather lynch die_meatbaby. the vote looked like this: Palmar (3): sandroba, Holyflare, die_meatbaby, Alakaslam Holyflare (2): marvellosity, Palmar, Alakaslamdie_meatbaby (2): Trfel, sandroba Not Voting (1): raynpelikoneet With 3 votes, Palmar is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Monday, Dec 18 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Rayn comes out of nowhere like a Pokemon tells us why he is voting on HF in the shortes, less taking afford way he can do.
On December 18 2023 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote Holyflare
Out ofthese three i am voting here. I had least somewhat productive discussion with Palmar last night, DMB i dont think is mafia.
And Trfel directly chance his vote to HF and saved Palmar. It was 3 vs 3 votes and Palmar was the first high votest so he would still get lynched. Trfel stopped the Palmar lynch and chance his decision to vote on Palmar when nobody votes on me in 20 minutes without explanation why HF and not anymore Palmar.
And don´t tell me this one post from rayn chanced your mind.
On December 18 2023 09:12 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote Holyflare
Out ofthese three i am voting here. I had least somewhat productive discussion with Palmar last night, DMB i dont think is mafia. Also voting Holyflare I guess. [/QUOTE]In case I am wrong and you are town.
Raynpelikoneet's reasoning did not change my mind. My mind did not change. My first thought was that I would vote for Palmar to help consolidate votes (get all the votes on the same person to prevent last second moves from the mafia team). I did not want to lynch Palmar, but if he was getting lynched anyway, that was my best play.
Once raynpelikoneet voted, I had a choice where my vote determined if Palmar or Holyflare was lynched. I chose to vote for Holyflare, for better or worse.
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Sorry the quotes got messed up there, they were messed up in the post I quoted and I neglected to fix it.
I will post my reasoning for die_meatbaby being mafia tomorrow, when I am back on my computer. I think the case for her being mafia is very strong. Alakaslam and raynpelikoneet, I would very much like to discuss this with you, I think it is of utmost importance.
In the meantime, I ask, why do people think die_meatbaby is town? I understand the point about the day 1 lynch with Vivax. But that seems like the only reason I've heard with any merit. Everything else I have seen comes down to tone or stuff which I don't think makes much sense. Please help me understand, since if die_meatbaby is in fact town then this is very critical.
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My schedule is flexible but I have some commitments. Please let me know when you may be available and I will try and make myself available then. Sandroba I can talk to via the mason chat. But if I need to be around at a specific time it helps me to know in advance.
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Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 16:45 Trfel wrote:On December 19 2023 06:51 die_meatbaby wrote:I reread the game and this d2 is just confusing as hell. The thing what really bothers me is T right before the lynch T writing this: On December 18 2023 08:48 Trfel wrote:
I don't know. If nothing changes I guess the right play is just for me to vote Palmar to consolidate and hope for the best?
Which I will do if it comes to it, would just really rather lynch die_meatbaby. the vote looked like this: Palmar (3): sandroba, Holyflare, die_meatbaby, Alakaslam Holyflare (2): marvellosity, Palmar, Alakaslamdie_meatbaby (2): Trfel, sandroba Not Voting (1): raynpelikoneet With 3 votes, Palmar is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Monday, Dec 18 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in Rayn comes out of nowhere like a Pokemon tells us why he is voting on HF in the shortes, less taking afford way he can do. On December 18 2023 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote Holyflare
Out ofthese three i am voting here. I had least somewhat productive discussion with Palmar last night, DMB i dont think is mafia. And Trfel directly chance his vote to HF and saved Palmar. It was 3 vs 3 votes and Palmar was the first high votest so he would still get lynched. Trfel stopped the Palmar lynch and chance his decision to vote on Palmar when nobody votes on me in 20 minutes without explanation why HF and not anymore Palmar. And don´t tell me this one post from rayn chanced your mind. On December 18 2023 09:12 Trfel wrote:On December 18 2023 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote Holyflare
Out ofthese three i am voting here. I had least somewhat productive discussion with Palmar last night, DMB i dont think is mafia. Also voting Holyflare I guess. In case I am wrong and you are town. Raynpelikoneet's reasoning did not change my mind. My mind did not change. My first thought was that I would vote for Palmar to help consolidate votes (get all the votes on the same person to prevent last second moves from the mafia team). I did not want to lynch Palmar, but if he was getting lynched anyway, that was my best play. Once raynpelikoneet voted, I had a choice where my vote determined if Palmar or Holyflare was lynched. I chose to vote for Holyflare, for better or worse.
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Oh and there is also the option to no lynch but to be honest I don't actually like that option in this case. It makes the margin even smaller, and in this game specifically I think that is a death sentence.
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die_meatbaby
I believe that die_meatbaby is mafia due to the cognitive dissonance in her posts. As in, I cannot put together a town mindset that die_meatbaby's play is coming from that makes sense. For example, if someone says "I want to lynch person A" but their actions do not indicate that they think player A is mafia or that they actually care about lynching player A, that would be an example of the cognitive dissonance I am referring to.
Cognitive dissonance 1: Palmar is mafia, but die_meatbaby doesn't take any actions towards lynching Palmar
+ Show Spoiler +I thought Holyflare made a post about this but I can't seem to find it. It must have been someone else. Die_meatbaby has been scumreading Palmar the whole game, it's been quite the anti-Palmar crusade. However, she hasn't actually made any efforts to trying to lynch Palmar. She didn't even vote for Palmar until late day 3!
Sure, die_meatbaby was scumreading Palmar night 1, and seemed pretty upset about it night 2. But when it actually comes down to it, die_meatbaby seems exceptionally content to vote for people other than Palmar, while Palmar is by far her biggest scumread. This doesn't match the mindset of someone who has been dead set on lynching Palmar this whole game.
If you doubt this, read her filter yourself, or check the vote thread. When it's time to vote, die_meatbaby doesn't seem to care if Palmar lives or dies.
Cognitive dissonance 2: Suspicious of everyone, not inquisitive/not trying to figure things out
+ Show Spoiler +This has become more clear towards the later portions of the game. Look at this series of posts after the day 3 lynch: On December 18 2023 22:04 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 09:12 Trfel wrote:On December 18 2023 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote Holyflare
Out ofthese three i am voting here. I had least somewhat productive discussion with Palmar last night, DMB i dont think is mafia. Also voting Holyflare I guess. Trfel just waiting on which vote rayn was going and then voting on HF instead of Palmar... and I am more suspicious then this???? Maybe I am really wrong with Palmar and its Sandro and Trfel or Sandro and Palmar. How the fuck do I end up as scum in this bullshit scenario. I voted for Palmar. I was against HF lynch. I chanced my vote on Vivax as soon it was clear that he was town and we weren't anoth Townies at that lynch to chance it. Chez was suspicious for me just not my main scum reason and as I already said he is hard to read at least for me. Chez voting an 1 1/2 before lynch and not beeing here till lynch of Vivax is fucking suspicious. In America it's not fucking 4 am tell me that chez just safed you sandro. Because if Vivax didn't get lynched you would and he saved you!!! Tell me I am fucking right with this!! If you are scum just give up. Letting the newbie alive because it's always save to have somebody you can easy lynch. I am just a another version of VE. Always mafia lets VE alive. In every game VE was misslynch from Town (if he was Town) and you guys using me as your next misslynch for Town just because newbie looks scummy. "she writes different" She compares old games with the actual play still using here" She is not playing like the other that looks scummy". No you fucking with the wrong Town here. I am not VE and will do everything what this Town needs and if nobody sees this how chez just safed you at the vivax lynch I am obviously playing with the wrong people here. You all telling me how high you meta is and the experience you guys have over the last decade... yes we talking about a fucking decade and you don't see that. So, Palmar is mafia. Sandroba was saved by Chezinu when he voted for Vivax, which means sandroba is mafia, right? But Trfel is also maybe mafia! But there are only two members left alive for mafia? On December 18 2023 22:21 die_meatbaby wrote:
Fuck off with this Palmar tunnel I have. I don't care who is mafia with you but you fucking are. Chez didn't vote on you at first and second lynch. It was so obvious that we couldn't believe it. But now I see the light at the end of my tunnel and this light is you. I can't step on the gas pedal, because the traffic light is so red... On December 18 2023 22:47 die_meatbaby wrote:I already said lets fucking vote this ego busted dickhead and the people here voting still on HF Rayn isn't here the hole day votes on HF instead of Palmar and Trfel waiting to see what rayn is going to do and votes then also on HF. Why not TRFEL and Rayn or Trfel and you or Trfel and Palmar. Why was he waiting? He is sad about HF and votes on him. What did he expect? Why didn't the people vote on Palmar here ot least on me as I said lynch rather me then HF. Yes I was also wrong but I knew he was at least not scum. Suddenly posting about raynpelikoneet as well. Is she suspicious of him also? That makes four mafia in a two player game. On December 18 2023 23:38 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 23:15 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 23:06 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 18 2023 22:54 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 22:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 18 2023 22:40 sandroba wrote:
Palmar + rayn makes sense I already said lets fucking vote this ego busted dickhead and the people here voting still on HF Rayn isn't here the hole day votes on HF instead of Palmar and Trfel waiting to see what rayn is going to do and votes then also on HF. Why not TRFEL and Rayn or Trfel and you or Trfel and Palmar. Why was he waiting? He is sad about HF and votes on him. What did he expect? Why didn't the people vote on Palmar here ot least on me as I said lynch rather me then HF. Yes I was also wrong but I knew he was at least not scum. Hell yes DMB, let's kill palmar together. Trfel from my perspective after d2 is very hard to believe is ever scum. Also, even beyond that many of his posts are just super townie, especially as the game progresses. Rayn makes more sense to me I will reread the hole game something is goeing extremly wrong here. We voting Town after Town.. nightkills random as fuck especially the Koshi kill pisses me off and then this yesterday.. The fuck is wrong in this game?! Yes i am still suspicious as hell of Palmar, but of you defently as well!! Don´t try do make a town looking conversation with me because right now I am suspicious about everybody here! See you again after reread the hole game It doesn't help to be suspicious of everybody. At this point you have to narrow it down otherwise you will end up easily siding with scum if you are town. The actuall fuck is goeing on here. I am at the point were i am just pissed on mafia for fooling us so hard. You got almost lynched 2 times at the first two lynches and chez saved you all two lynches even at the second one he rather voted on Trefel then on you. It is so obvious that i can´t believe it myself that that could actually be true. Rayn coming, telling in 2 or 3 sentences why he rather vote on HF than on me or Palmar. Trefel beeing around and just waiting with his vote what was the main reason why HF was lynched because he could have let it on me or on Palmar and then beeing sad about HF lynch. WTF is this here. MARV not even thinking a bit of Palmar beeing scum And Slam starts posting like chez and I don´t understand what he wants to say with his strange posts The hell i am suspicious of to many people here right now And here goes marvellosity and Alakaslam too. Please understand, it's not scummy to be suspicious of lots of people. The suspicious thing is the lack of desire to figure out which suspicious people are actually mafia and which are town. Die_meatbaby is very content to just have everyone as suspicious, which is extremely mafia motivated and shows no desire to solve the game. On December 18 2023 23:44 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 23:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 18 2023 23:06 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 18 2023 22:54 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 22:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 18 2023 22:40 sandroba wrote:
Palmar + rayn makes sense I already said lets fucking vote this ego busted dickhead and the people here voting still on HF Rayn isn't here the hole day votes on HF instead of Palmar and Trfel waiting to see what rayn is going to do and votes then also on HF. Why not TRFEL and Rayn or Trfel and you or Trfel and Palmar. Why was he waiting? He is sad about HF and votes on him. What did he expect? Why didn't the people vote on Palmar here ot least on me as I said lynch rather me then HF. Yes I was also wrong but I knew he was at least not scum. Hell yes DMB, let's kill palmar together. Trfel from my perspective after d2 is very hard to believe is ever scum. Also, even beyond that many of his posts are just super townie, especially as the game progresses. Rayn makes more sense to me I will reread the hole game something is goeing extremly wrong here. We voting Town after Town.. nightkills random as fuck especially the Koshi kill pisses me off and then this yesterday.. The fuck is wrong in this game?! Yes i am still suspicious as hell of Palmar, but of you defently as well!! Don´t try do make a town looking conversation with me because right now I am suspicious about everybody here! See you again after reread the hole game Why are you suspicious of sandro please? I fucking tell you why. Lynch Nr. 1 Most people are on Vivax second most voted train Sandro. Chez voted 1 hour before lynch on Vivax. At this point he should aready know that Vivax will get emtional now and he has good scum player should also know that maybe the vote train will go on sandro, but sadly not anoth town people here at that moment to save Vivax, Second lynch almost everbody on chez at the end of the timer but few hours before there was voting train on chez or on sandro and chez still rather voting on Trfel then on Sandro why should he do that. She's just coming up with whatever reason to be suspicious of anyone that she can, here it relies on me being town. This all makes no sense from a town perspective.
Cognitive dissonance 3: lots of emotional energy, little/no scumhunting energy
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Die_meatbaby is very angry and emotionally invested. But you don't see that investment in actual scumhunting. If someone is angry, if they are spending a lot of energy in the thread, it's because they care about the game, and thus presumably want to find mafia and win. But you don't see die_meatbaby trying to figure out people's alignments on anywhere NEAR the same magnitude as she is emotionally invested. Lots of the quotes above support this, or you can read her filter.
She finds lots of things suspicious but doesn't seem to care to figure out who is actually mafia and who isn't.
Then there are smaller things. For example, when Holyflare asks die_meatbaby who is mafia with Palmar, she answers:On December 18 2023 00:35 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 00:25 Holyflare wrote:On December 18 2023 00:16 die_meatbaby wrote:
you guys can tell me I am paranoid about palmar beeing mafia but that it just an insane mafia play right there Why are you pretending like nobody in this game reads palmar as mafia and you're the only one fighting an uphill battle? Why have you never voted palmar? Who is mafia with palmar? There a people NOW who are thinking of him as scum, but not after the first lynch. I was alone with my thoughts there. I never votet on Palmar because it would just be a useless vote. First vote i need to safe vivax. (altough we missed one vote to safe him) Second 10 votes on chez... 1 vote on Palmar will chance the lynch... yeah.. I most likley think it would be Trfel or you! On December 18 2023 04:12 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 04:01 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 03:58 Trfel wrote:
I understand what sandroba is saying about the Koshi kill and how that implicates marvellosity and Palmar. However, that just isn't how I am reading the game.
I would very much like to lynch die_meatbaby but if that isn't possible I would lynch Holyflare over Palmar. I can lynch DMB. I won't lynch HF rather lynch me than HF. Better do lose a normal Town then losing a blue one! I will die for Town and i will not care but i will not be with a lynch our hope for a vigi or something else what could help. But four hours later the second post comes. Which one is it? If Holyflare is one of the most likely candidates for being the remaining mafia member, why would she say he is blue and want herself lynched instead? And if she thinks Holyflare is blue, how would have have a chance of being mafia? This is not the view of someone who is looking at the game and actually trying to figure out people's alignments.
I'm convinced that die_meatbaby is mafia. If you are not, please talk to me and help me to understand why, since it is very important that town is in agreement this phase.
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On December 20 2023 03:45 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2023 03:15 Palmar wrote:On December 20 2023 01:51 sandroba wrote:On December 20 2023 01:49 Palmar wrote:On December 19 2023 23:22 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 17:54 Palmar wrote:
We can't no lynch.
Mafia can just plop down 1 vote on the deadline and win the game. Are you saying if there is 4 no lynch votes and 2 votes on someone, someone gets lynched? I don't think that's how it works. Yeah no I’m probably wrong, no lynch might be a plurality option. If you wanna we can but I kinda don’t care enough to wait. I'm like 99.999 on dmb, at this point I think it's more risky a bad townie might screw us over if someone sensible dies I mean yeah. Game is probably lost if scum team is outside Trfel/dmb I am probably just never lynching rayn. And slam has done very well if he’s mafia. And in lylo I think I always lynch Trfel over you Can we please go with Trfel first? Have you said why I am mafia, and if so can you show me where?
Because I am not mafia and if you are town playing like this is losing the game. I do not get the impression you are paying any attention to what I am saying.
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Alakaslam, if you really think I am mafia with die_meatbaby, you realize this means that I hard bussed both my mafia partners (Chezinu and die_meatbaby) most of the game, well before others were pushing them? Do you really think this is reasonable?
You haven't responded to any posts I've made this game (if I recall correctly) since my response to sandroba's first post. At the very start of the game. I'm sorry for getting irritated, but I'm doing my best here and it feels like I am talking to an empty room.
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Like I'm not saying you have to agree with me, obviously that would be nice, but I get it. But I truly do not think you are paying a single bit of attention to what I am saying.
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On December 20 2023 07:37 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2023 03:53 Trfel wrote:On December 20 2023 03:45 Alakaslam wrote:On December 20 2023 03:15 Palmar wrote:On December 20 2023 01:51 sandroba wrote:On December 20 2023 01:49 Palmar wrote:On December 19 2023 23:22 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 17:54 Palmar wrote:
We can't no lynch.
Mafia can just plop down 1 vote on the deadline and win the game. Are you saying if there is 4 no lynch votes and 2 votes on someone, someone gets lynched? I don't think that's how it works. Yeah no I’m probably wrong, no lynch might be a plurality option. If you wanna we can but I kinda don’t care enough to wait. I'm like 99.999 on dmb, at this point I think it's more risky a bad townie might screw us over if someone sensible dies I mean yeah. Game is probably lost if scum team is outside Trfel/dmb I am probably just never lynching rayn. And slam has done very well if he’s mafia. And in lylo I think I always lynch Trfel over you Can we please go with Trfel first? Have you said why I am mafia, and if so can you show me where? Because I am not mafia and if you are town playing like this is losing the game. I do not get the impression you are paying any attention to what I am saying. I admit, not much to anyone. I will filter you next but I just see DMB as ESL and you seem to be the only EPL pushing for her to die. I could be wrong I don't think English comprehension plays a significant effect on my reasoning but you are free to correct me if I am missing something?
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So you weren't confident that Holyflare was a power role?
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On December 20 2023 09:20 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2023 09:18 Trfel wrote:
So you weren't confident that Holyflare was a power role? I was. Thats the only reason why I wanted that you guys rather lynch me then him. Better losing normal Town than power role. I wanted to die for Town and you telling me i did nothing for Town here. What changed between posts #2629 and #2714 that made you think this?
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But in the earlier post mentioned you thought Holyflare was mafia? And therefore not blue?
It just makes me think you aren't actually trying to figure out Holyflare's alignment because your view completely changed for seemingly no reason. Like you forgot your own reasons.
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I'll leave it at that, I believe my points stand.
I'll be around if anyone wants to talk.
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Why do you think it isn't raynpelikoneet?
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On December 20 2023 18:25 Palmar wrote:
Does that matter Trfel? We're lynching your scumread. It matters eventually.
On December 20 2023 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:I think Trfel is just mafia here. - Trfel has been very wishy-washy on his reads during the whole game. I know town!Trfel is wishy-wasy, i just think he is overplaying it here. Basically every read until last night ends up being "could be or is not mafia" category. Basically Trfel has called everyone mafia except for Palmar. Only after marv starts getting suspicious of him and his town read on Palmar he starts getting these hard stances on people. I understand the less people we have the less room there is also for error, but it just doesn't seem natural at all to me. - Trfel calls DMB mafia for scumreading Palmar, but not doing anything with the read. Now this makes sense if the mafia team is exactly DMB and Palmar, but Trfel doesn't think this is the case because he townreads and has townread Palmar all game (except for one point where he thinks Palmar + marv could be mafia). This sort of behavior should only be suspicious for DMB if Palmar is mafia in his mind, because otherwise it doesn't make any sense to act like that, Palmar has been suspected by everyone pretty much during the whole game. - I still don't know understand this: Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 12:12 Trfel wrote:
I think Palmar is probably my strongest townread, with sandroba not too far behind (I don't see how Palmar could be mafia unless he is mafia with marvellosity). Will have a lot of reevaluating to do. I still think die_meatbaby is mafia and don't really understand why people disagree. I need to catch up on the last 10 pages but I'll be here on-and-off for a while. Basically everything Trfel writes, even his case on DMB, should be in towards Palmar being mafia, yet Palmar is his strongest town read. So i am going to guess he thinks i am mafia or Slam is mafia. But he already said he doesn't think i am mafia. Does Slam being mafia make sense to anyone else? Based on Trfel's reads, how is he going to put up a mafia team of two people here? At least he hasn't contributed towards that in any sense, just that DMB is mafia. Show nested quote +On December 21 2023 02:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 21 2023 01:39 sandroba wrote:On December 21 2023 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 21 2023 01:26 sandroba wrote:On December 21 2023 01:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 21 2023 01:20 sandroba wrote:
Well, you are being super biased if you can't even consider it and are dead set on this explanation for it I can't even understand. I am not super set on this explanation, but i don't really see a good case on why i am supposed to think she is mafia. I think Trfel's case spells it out pretty clearly why. The fact that you read the same case as me and don't even go: "Huh, there might be something there" makes absolutely no sense to me. Even if you think Trfel is scum, he would have bussed Chez d2 in that world, why could he not be doing that here I think i already said why i think Trfel's vote could be a bus? I also think i answered Trfel's case in how it is possible DMB did that all as town. All these points: Cognitive dissonance 1: Palmar is mafia, but die_meatbaby doesn't take any actions towards lynching Palmar Cognitive dissonance 2: Suspicious of everyone, not inquisitive/not trying to figure things out Cognitive dissonance 3: lots of emotional energy, little/no scumhunting energy What hypothetical point you can make about a someone which you can't say: it is possible to do that all as town ? Cognitive dissonance 1: Palmar is mafia, but die_meatbaby doesn't take any actions towards lynching Palmar - I can see this coming from mafia perspective. But why do this when Palmar is not on the lynch block, and why not enforce it when Palmar is actually up for lynch? Cognitive dissonance 2: Suspicious of everyone, not inquisitive/not trying to figure things out - I dont really think this is mafia motivated, more likely town motivated, since townies dont know who is mafia and are supposed to be suspicious of everyone Cognitive dissonance 3: lots of emotional energy, little/no scumhunting energy - i guess "little to scumhunting energy" can be a point against her. You are misrepresenting my points but I believe this is intentional so I will let you say whatever you feel like I suppose. - If Trfel really believes DMB is mafia, he didn't do anything to change the lynch on D3 to DMB. After i voted, he did absolutely nothing to contribute towards his preferred lynch DMB, just voted for HF and "gave up" for the day for whatever reason. Now the only reason i can of here, is that he wants to keep DMB as a lynch bait. The case he has presented against DMB was all there during D3, why didn't he act on it during D3? - Minor point but still a point, Trfel has (as Koshi did) misrepresented my actions during D1. We all know, or should know Koshi didn't read the thread properly, because he said so, and agreed to that when i was talking with him around the Chezinu lynch. Now Trfel has been reading the thread, at least he is trying to show such M.O. My interpretation is, that he knew Koshi is town, and took Koshi's statement of me having voted for Vivax D1 (when i never really did -- i called Vivax town) at face value without checking it even when i clearly expressed that earlier already, that i never did such thing!!. ##vote Trfel For point 2, it's suspicious regardless of whether or not Palmar is mafia for die_meatbaby. It means that she is looking active by posting about Palmar, but not actually caring. This is only mafia indicative.
For point 3, this is answered by point 2.
Point 4, I did want to lynch die_meatbaby during day 3 and I pushed this. See this case. I can't help it that not enough people wanted to join. If you actually read the portion of the post on die_meatbaby, which it seems like unfortunately most people did not do, it's actually very strong reasoning towards die_meatbaby being mafia.
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In case it isn't obvious, I'm in agreement with sandroba that the mafia team is die_meatbaby and raynpelikoneet. We talked about this in the mason chat and agreed that this was by far the most likely.
For me it has nothing to do with who I want to lose to and who I don't. Raynpelikoneet is playing an amazing game as mafia, this is true. I can look through his filter and only this last day imo is where he has started to give himself away. The most obvious reasons that make him mafia relate to his townread of die_meatbaby, there is absolutely no way that he should have such strong of a townread with so little doubt. His arguments have become increasingly irrational and the situation we have put him in, with a lot of pressure on his remaining mafia partner, has forced his hand. But this relies somewhat on associations with die_meatbaby so we can leave that for later.
Die_meatbaby is mafia for the aforementioned reasons. Once she (presumably) flips mafia, the rest becomes obvious.
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On December 21 2023 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2023 06:59 Trfel wrote:
In case it isn't obvious, I'm in agreement with sandroba that the mafia team is die_meatbaby and raynpelikoneet. We talked about this in the mason chat and agreed that this was by far the most likely.
For me it has nothing to do with who I want to lose to and who I don't. Raynpelikoneet is playing an amazing game as mafia, this is true. I can look through his filter and only this last day imo is where he has started to give himself away. The most obvious reasons that make him mafia relate to his townread of die_meatbaby, there is absolutely no way that he should have such strong of a townread with so little doubt. His arguments have become increasingly irrational and the situation we have put him in, with a lot of pressure on his remaining mafia partner, has forced his hand. But this relies somewhat on associations with die_meatbaby so we can leave that for later.
Die_meatbaby is mafia for the aforementioned reasons. Once she (presumably) flips mafia, the rest becomes obvious. Wait so your opinion is i am mafia because i should have no town read on DMB? That's a poor representation, but sure.On December 21 2023 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2023 06:55 Trfel wrote:On December 20 2023 18:25 Palmar wrote:
Does that matter Trfel? We're lynching your scumread. It matters eventually. On December 20 2023 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:I think Trfel is just mafia here. - Trfel has been very wishy-washy on his reads during the whole game. I know town!Trfel is wishy-wasy, i just think he is overplaying it here. Basically every read until last night ends up being "could be or is not mafia" category. Basically Trfel has called everyone mafia except for Palmar. Only after marv starts getting suspicious of him and his town read on Palmar he starts getting these hard stances on people. I understand the less people we have the less room there is also for error, but it just doesn't seem natural at all to me. - Trfel calls DMB mafia for scumreading Palmar, but not doing anything with the read. Now this makes sense if the mafia team is exactly DMB and Palmar, but Trfel doesn't think this is the case because he townreads and has townread Palmar all game (except for one point where he thinks Palmar + marv could be mafia). This sort of behavior should only be suspicious for DMB if Palmar is mafia in his mind, because otherwise it doesn't make any sense to act like that, Palmar has been suspected by everyone pretty much during the whole game. - I still don't know understand this: On December 19 2023 12:12 Trfel wrote:
I think Palmar is probably my strongest townread, with sandroba not too far behind (I don't see how Palmar could be mafia unless he is mafia with marvellosity). Will have a lot of reevaluating to do. I still think die_meatbaby is mafia and don't really understand why people disagree. I need to catch up on the last 10 pages but I'll be here on-and-off for a while. Basically everything Trfel writes, even his case on DMB, should be in towards Palmar being mafia, yet Palmar is his strongest town read. So i am going to guess he thinks i am mafia or Slam is mafia. But he already said he doesn't think i am mafia. Does Slam being mafia make sense to anyone else? Based on Trfel's reads, how is he going to put up a mafia team of two people here? At least he hasn't contributed towards that in any sense, just that DMB is mafia. On December 21 2023 02:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 21 2023 01:39 sandroba wrote:On December 21 2023 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 21 2023 01:26 sandroba wrote:On December 21 2023 01:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 21 2023 01:20 sandroba wrote:
Well, you are being super biased if you can't even consider it and are dead set on this explanation for it I can't even understand. I am not super set on this explanation, but i don't really see a good case on why i am supposed to think she is mafia. I think Trfel's case spells it out pretty clearly why. The fact that you read the same case as me and don't even go: "Huh, there might be something there" makes absolutely no sense to me. Even if you think Trfel is scum, he would have bussed Chez d2 in that world, why could he not be doing that here I think i already said why i think Trfel's vote could be a bus? I also think i answered Trfel's case in how it is possible DMB did that all as town. All these points: Cognitive dissonance 1: Palmar is mafia, but die_meatbaby doesn't take any actions towards lynching Palmar Cognitive dissonance 2: Suspicious of everyone, not inquisitive/not trying to figure things out Cognitive dissonance 3: lots of emotional energy, little/no scumhunting energy What hypothetical point you can make about a someone which you can't say: it is possible to do that all as town ? Cognitive dissonance 1: Palmar is mafia, but die_meatbaby doesn't take any actions towards lynching Palmar - I can see this coming from mafia perspective. But why do this when Palmar is not on the lynch block, and why not enforce it when Palmar is actually up for lynch? Cognitive dissonance 2: Suspicious of everyone, not inquisitive/not trying to figure things out - I dont really think this is mafia motivated, more likely town motivated, since townies dont know who is mafia and are supposed to be suspicious of everyone Cognitive dissonance 3: lots of emotional energy, little/no scumhunting energy - i guess "little to scumhunting energy" can be a point against her. You are misrepresenting my points but I believe this is intentional so I will let you say whatever you feel like I suppose. - If Trfel really believes DMB is mafia, he didn't do anything to change the lynch on D3 to DMB. After i voted, he did absolutely nothing to contribute towards his preferred lynch DMB, just voted for HF and "gave up" for the day for whatever reason. Now the only reason i can of here, is that he wants to keep DMB as a lynch bait. The case he has presented against DMB was all there during D3, why didn't he act on it during D3? - Minor point but still a point, Trfel has (as Koshi did) misrepresented my actions during D1. We all know, or should know Koshi didn't read the thread properly, because he said so, and agreed to that when i was talking with him around the Chezinu lynch. Now Trfel has been reading the thread, at least he is trying to show such M.O. My interpretation is, that he knew Koshi is town, and took Koshi's statement of me having voted for Vivax D1 (when i never really did -- i called Vivax town) at face value without checking it even when i clearly expressed that earlier already, that i never did such thing!!. ##vote Trfel For point 2, it's suspicious regardless of whether or not Palmar is mafia for die_meatbaby. It means that she is looking active by posting about Palmar, but not actually caring. This is only mafia indicative. For point 3, this is answered by point 2. Point 4, I did want to lynch die_meatbaby during day 3 and I pushed this. See this case. I can't help it that not enough people wanted to join. If you actually read the portion of the post on die_meatbaby, which it seems like unfortunately most people did not do, it's actually very strong reasoning towards die_meatbaby being mafia. And (1)? (2) and (3). Maybe i can see this. (4) you probably tried or "tried". I know you didnt try after my vote while at least sandroba was claiming to try doing it.. 1. No response. You can think whatever you want to think, I don't have anything to say.
4. I did try, by the time you came back at the very end of the day I had given up. You came back with not that long until the lynch, yeah I'd given up by then when it had gotten no momentum throughout the day.
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Honestly I'm kinda disappointed that I call out the scum team day 2 and you guys still probably win and I don't even know what I did wrong but it is what it is, I'll still try my best.
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Yeah sorry, it be like that sometimes.
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