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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2023 22:41 GMT
#487
On December 11 2023 07:39 DarthPunk wrote:
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On December 11 2023 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck, why cant they get it?
someone help?


I really tried to see it but I don't get it either.



It's okay.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2023 22:42 GMT
#492
On December 11 2023 07:40 marvellosity wrote:
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On December 11 2023 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:17 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn before you go. Is koshi mafia or town if you had to choose.

mafia

I don’t see the point in talking about this yet. Of course he plays anti-town.

In 24h if he plays the same still it’s more interesting. As he will be playing against his wincon if town which is just mega shitty and deserves a policy lynch

yeah but you know he was asking, and if i dont answer it's all DP going full shit on rayn for some shit like you didnt give a shit about koshi when you hsould have, i dont have time for that.

thanks
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2023 02:47 GMT
#974
Sorry i am really busy with work today and was yesterday.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2023 02:47 GMT
#977
What's going on?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2023 02:52 GMT
#985
##unvote
##vote sandroba
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2023 02:56 GMT
#994
I am not lynching 6 page filter Vivax D1 regardless of what he has said.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2023 03:13 GMT
#1008
Well..

I hate that i have this shit schedule, i have basically more work than everyone else combined in our production. Thankfully starting tomorrow i am not working anymore this year.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2023 03:19 GMT
#1013
Alright, time to go to work, then do another couple days of work for my other job that i am behind in. Let's see if i have time to read before N1 end, not that it's particularly even necessary.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2023 13:37 GMT
#1142
On December 11 2023 08:31 marvellosity wrote:
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On December 11 2023 08:13 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 08:11 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 08:08 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 08:05 DarthPunk wrote:
I'd like to see what holyflare has to say, I don't really agree with rayn that he is obs mafia for the slip up he had, but I tend to think it is a good idea to listen to rayn when he feels strongly about things.

I'd really like to lynch trfel, but I can see that is not gonna happen today, so I will just take solace in saying 'i told you so' at the end of the game.

I think Slam is 100% town.

I think rayn is town

I thought marv was town until recently but I think slam picked up some good stuff, so maybe not so much anymore.

the rest is a quagmire.

Not sure about Koshi, I think I see glimpses of smart town koshi in the mess somewhere.

Don’t understand how you can possibly think it shifts the needle on my alignment, DP


I'll tell you after the game if you want. Or if I try to lynch you, but we aren't in that territory atm.


To be clear, you are in my top 3 town list, so it's not that bad, there was just enough in it to move you back out of the 99% club.

Can you tell me what you think of HF and Palmar right now?

Lean town on both

I have honestly no idea how marv thinks HF is town at this point of the game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2023 13:48 GMT
#1143
On December 11 2023 12:36 sandroba wrote:
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On December 10 2023 21:13 Vivax wrote:
Hello.

On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.

So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.

For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far.


We have Trfel and Slam entering the thread rather casually in my opinion. This approach by Sandro sticks out as overthinking and doesn't really seem like he's attempting to form some kind of real contact with them.
I don't like the phrasing in parts either (bolded).

'Posting within what I expected' comes out of the blue as you should be expectation-free if you don't know his alignment.

'Self-demeaning tone' is something I don't spot, where is the part of his filter that suggests that?

On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote:
I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature


This is a piece of pseudo-information as it doesn't really help in reaching a conclusion on Slam either.

Sandroba, are these posts your legitimate opinion or did you write them mostly with the intent of creating a discussion surrounding Trfels and Slams alignments?

I feel like this post sounds very unnatural, and also has some confusion about things that were already clarified in the thread at the point this post was made.
The 'Posting within what I expected' part was asked by Trfel and I did clarify what I meant.
'Self-demeaning tone about his performance' is something very obvious if you read the post if you read the post I was talking about which he mentions his chances of finding mafia.
The reasoning to me sound extremely contrieved, trying to blend in with thread sentiment while appearing to be putting in an effort.

I don't like this post at all.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2023 13:50 GMT
#1144
On December 11 2023 12:48 sandroba wrote:
Ah, also palmar likely town now

and this..

I don't believe sandroba doesn't know Palmar is voting for Vivax already at this point. This post however gives the illusion of that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2023 14:00 GMT
#1147
So i see both Trfel and sandroba have entered the thread after i left, both of them are calling Vivax mafia because Vivax is not reading the thread in correct order, but neither of them recognizes the fact that Holyflare did the exact same thing (or rather voted for someone, said he didn't didn't read up to point of a certain post before voting, but still had read posts after that point).

Especially for someone who thinks Vivax is mafia because Vivax quoted posts in wrong order, HF should be like double mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2023 14:14 GMT
#1154
On December 12 2023 23:02 marvellosity wrote:
Like what I remember of Hf is that he makes big, long, convincing cases and towns find it really hard to argue with him over the long haul. He pushes the mafia agenda and it’s really hard to stop because he’s convincing.

Either Hf is mafia and is ecstatic about how the game is going and therefore not pushing anything very hard, or maybe he’s town and just bumbling along like i was trying to do before people kept telling me I was mafia.


I am gonna leave it for now and at least catch up for the rest of D1. But still, he voted for me. The thread was something like 5 pages long. I know people miss posts, people misread things. But for me i find it very hard to believe HF "missed" something he surely had read by his own words (he had read further into the thread), and it's not even a misread by any chance. It was straight out "you didn't pose a question to sandroba". Again, emphasis on at that time from what he had read, he voted for me!

HF is busy, i get it, everyone is busy because we're getting old and have other stuff in life too. But it's not a question being busy here, because if HF is mafia he is still busy and won't write big cases (of trash) and then argue his way out of it.

Anyways the point is, if both Trfel and sandroba voted for Vivax based on quoting some stuff in wrong order, i find it suspicious they don't recognize what i said about HF during D1 -- or even care to investigate.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2023 14:21 GMT
#1156
HF if you had to guess who's mafia right now, who would it be? You can name 2 or 3 since you don't seem to know how many there are.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2023 14:23 GMT
#1157
On December 12 2023 23:21 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2023 23:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 12 2023 23:02 marvellosity wrote:
Like what I remember of Hf is that he makes big, long, convincing cases and towns find it really hard to argue with him over the long haul. He pushes the mafia agenda and it’s really hard to stop because he’s convincing.

Either Hf is mafia and is ecstatic about how the game is going and therefore not pushing anything very hard, or maybe he’s town and just bumbling along like i was trying to do before people kept telling me I was mafia.


I am gonna leave it for now and at least catch up for the rest of D1. But still, he voted for me. The thread was something like 5 pages long. I know people miss posts, people misread things. But for me i find it very hard to believe HF "missed" something he surely had read by his own words (he had read further into the thread), and it's not even a misread by any chance. It was straight out "you didn't pose a question to sandroba". Again, emphasis on at that time from what he had read, he voted for me!

HF is busy, i get it, everyone is busy because we're getting old and have other stuff in life too. But it's not a question being busy here, because if HF is mafia he is still busy and won't write big cases (of trash) and then argue his way out of it.

Anyways the point is, if both Trfel and sandroba voted for Vivax based on quoting some stuff in wrong order, i find it suspicious they don't recognize what i said about HF during D1 -- or even care to investigate.

It’s quite a bold move to drop a vote on you like that right?

If it’s done on false pretences like you are claiming, what’s the goal? As Hf can’t possibly gain any traction with it (and indeed didn’t )

If sandro is mafia then sandro is just looking for a vote and what you’re talking about makes it more likely sandro (and maybe Trfel) are mafia because they need to save sandro’s skin and probably going for Hf wasn’t the way to do that (and that tracks regardless of HF’s alignment)

You realize HF has done that in many games before? It's mostly not to get me lynched, but to throw me off my game, as people won't follow me anyways. I mean like it's 100% clear he should have seen my post, he claims he didn't (for one reason or another), and absolutely noone even sees that aside from me....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2023 14:42 GMT
#1160
On December 12 2023 23:28 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2023 03:51 Trfel wrote:
On December 10 2023 21:41 Vivax wrote:
Palmar a bit too sure of himself in tone for my liking. Like he's got somebody lined up to be gifted a pair of shiny concrete boots, maybe a weak teammate under threat (which could be sandro).

He's very conscious of the Trfel/Sandro dichotomy here but not as motivated to deliver much explanation of his own as he is to appear motivated to lynch into it.
I believe this is the post in question.

Raynpelikoneet, other than the above question though, can you help me understand why you are so confident Holyflare is mafia?

because he is trying to say (1) palmar made a post about sandroba, which he considers bussing.
(2) because of that, he votes for me, because i think palmar is town (for whatever reason)
(3) after catching up he is now suspicious of vivax, who shares the whole sentiment of him thinking palmar is bussing sandroba, which doesnt make any sense. and even if he changed his mind, then (2) should not apply because we all 4 cannot be mafia...

Is this the thrust of your argument rayn?

If there’s more to it, can you concisely add to it here?

After that HF said he hadn't read the whole thread so what i said there is basically moot, aside from the fact that before he voted he had read until Palmar's first post in the game.

However, we continue the discussion, and we come to the point where i tell him something i called sandroba out. He responds with this:
"At the time I read (this morning) you had not called sandro out. When I voted, you barely called sandro out and you came up with some hipster reason that you didn't even disclose."

I told him that:
"Can you really not read between the lines that much, that when i was playing in the morning, the only question i posed to anyone is someone i might find some suspicious about?" (that was towards sandroba)

he responded with:
"
tbh the last time I read rayn hadn't actually defended sandro or questioned him at that point"

Now me posing a question to sandroba happened before Palmar had posted anything in this game at all. So it's simply impossible HF hasn't read my question, if he actually read whatever he said he read before voting.

I would not even care about this that much, but the fact that he voted(!!!), should imply he actually finds me suspicious for whatever reason, yet he hasn't even apparently read my almost only serious post in the game..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2023 14:45 GMT
#1161
Like he himself appeared to be suspicious of sandroba at that point, but for some reason he votes for me when my post that is most solving in the game is questioning the player he is suspicious of.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2023 14:50 GMT
#1164
I am also going to fault myself for Vivax lynch. I wish i was here. Poor Vivax.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2023 14:53 GMT
#1165
why do sandroba and trfel always appear similarly, like literally similarly.... lol
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2023 15:03 GMT
#1168
On December 12 2023 03:26 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote Vivax

The vote on palmar kinda did it for me.
Claiming that was tje first vote on mafia. Just silly and mafia Vivax is silly balls to the wall.

This is probably the worst reasoning to vote for Vivax tbh at the moment.
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