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Trfel
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On December 11 2023 22:16 Vivax wrote: It's not me you have to tell that to. It's a shit wagon on the wrong player  This is where you can already start judging who jumps on it. Palmar is probably town in this case. It's the bottom feeders latching to it that are more interesting. On December 11 2023 23:22 Vivax wrote: Vivax, what gives?##Vote: Palmar First vote on mafia probably. All combinations have Sandro in them though. DP + Trfel + Sandro for the more tinfoily world and Palmar + DMB + Sandro for the actual safe scumplay because there's nothing in Palmar's filter not making me thing that his read on Sandro is a bus at best and fake on town at worst. | ||
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On December 12 2023 00:53 Vivax wrote: So you're voting for Palmar but you don't even think he is mafia?In this dynamic, the wagon initiator is more frequently town in my experience. I banished that thought cause I think Sandro is inifinitely more scummy and Palmar at this point is just a malevolent push. Fair enough, I suppose. Do we still do baby seals around here? | ||
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On December 12 2023 01:01 Vivax wrote: I've read your filter and I've read it again, I'm literally not seeing why you changed your mind to think Palmar is mafia besides the association with sandroba?I think he is mafia. I just explained to you why my opinion had a change. That doesn't make anyone mafia. I'm not necessarily opposed to other lynches but you're really not giving me much of a reason. You're scumreading sandroba seemingly most of all, marvellosity is on sandroba, much of the game is on sandroba, by playing the game a bit we both know you could prove your (assumed) towniness and not only keep going but get a favorable lynch. Your lack of will to even do that much is deeply incriminating. | ||
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Can you summarize why I/we should be lynching sandroba (or whoever you want, really)? If you want to quote previous posts that explain it that's fine, I just can't really look on my own for a little. | ||
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On December 12 2023 18:45 DarthPunk wrote: It's also like sandroba wasn't doing much so there was no new information to share or discuss?I wonder if trfel would open with a bus on his own teammate. That whole thing was really weird and forced. And then it kind of disappeared. Like for how aggro trfel was at the start on sandro, he dropped that whole thing and then he dropped the stuff with me too. It’s almost like all the proactivity at the start ended up with nothing. And at the end he just flipped onto vivax. On December 12 2023 23:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I didn't think that was a reason for Vivax being mafia. It was just something weird that I noticed and didn't know what to make of it. (I also don't think it makes Holyflare or anyone else mafia, Holyflare's case is different since he openly said he wasn't reading closely anyway though)So i see both Trfel and sandroba have entered the thread after i left, both of them are calling Vivax mafia because Vivax is not reading the thread in correct order, but neither of them recognizes the fact that Holyflare did the exact same thing (or rather voted for someone, said he didn't didn't read up to point of a certain post before voting, but still had read posts after that point). Especially for someone who thinks Vivax is mafia because Vivax quoted posts in wrong order, HF should be like double mafia. On December 13 2023 12:10 Chezinu wrote: Sorry, I'm not sure what you are asking about here?Mr. truffles, why!?!?!? On December 13 2023 20:19 marvellosity wrote: Maybe my reasoning was flawed. I realize that people have to sleep, it just felt like a convenient time to do so. To me there's a standard pattern of:Honestly Trfel, this is the 3rd time I counted that you have brought up DP being afk while asleep. I don’t understand why you’re expecting him to completely flesh out a new view on the game after he has unvoted you, less than 24h into the game? Can you explain? Push something -> back off But then what do you do when you back off? Town wants to figure out the game, so they need to find something else. Mafia just did a bunch of work, so they look busy, so they don't need to do anything. I quite likely overestimated this heavily, considering it being night in Australia and fairly early day 1. On December 13 2023 20:24 marvellosity wrote: I mean Vivax didn't respond, or do anything until much later when I was no longer around. I don't know what more I was supposed to do, I wanted to play but Vivax didn't give me anything to work with and I didn't see much of a reason to view him as town at the time.Really disappointing that Trfel posted this then afked. Caught up now. Need to do a TON of rereading but my inclinations are that Chezinu is mafia, sandroba is maybe town, and I really need to look at die_meatbaby now that she (?) has actually posted some things. | ||
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##vote Chezinu The house of brown has found it time to end your mafia-ness. | ||
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On December 14 2023 02:55 Holyflare wrote: I mean I have other thoughts but they don't really go anywhere.Are these really your only current thoughts? Nothing about anyone that's talking? I really do think that marvellosity is town, I had thought that raynpelikoneet was maybe town but I can't remember much of what he has done so I don't think he is town anymore. Palmar I think is town. Koshi and Alakaslam I think are town. Sandroba I truly think is town. I realize I have too many townreads, I have some work to do to figure it out but there are reasons for them all being town. Marvellosity: feels very present and engaging while having less drive/presence than the marvellosity of old. But I don't think the latter part of that sentence makes him mafia. I generally like the places he is choosing to engage and think it makes sense for him. I don't have a great explanation but it feels like town to me. Palmar: The involvement and directness and aggressiveness all indicate town to me. I feel like when Palmar is this heavily involved early on he is very likely to be town. I remember one game this was false, I think, but I think I'm willing to bet on it for now at least. Koshi: His reads make sense and it seems like he is critically thinking about the game, even if he is doing so in a painfully annoying way. Alakaslam: high involvement, good thoughts and presence. If he is mafia it would be an absolutely outstanding performance, I can't entirely put it past him since I know he loves playing as mafia but if he isn't town this game I don't know how I'd ever townread him again. sandroba: read him as a defensive waffle and he's town. I like his involvement as of late, even as the thread sentiment has soured against him he's stayed involved and hasn't given up. I think this is a strong town indicator. I actually like his thoughts, they're unique and show that he's thinking, even if I don't always (or even often) agree with the sentiments and conclusions. Holyflare and raynpelikoneet I don't know, I really think Chezinu is mafia and needs to go. | ||
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On December 14 2023 03:05 Holyflare wrote: I have one, take it or leave it.##vote trfel Figure out some scum reads | ||
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On December 14 2023 03:13 Holyflare wrote: I don't have any thoughts on them yet. I kinda just ignored everything they said in preparation for reading their filter later. It's almost later.I already have that read and I'd like some more. What do you think of DMB? You make no mention of them in the entirety of your list. | ||
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On December 14 2023 03:16 Trfel wrote: So apparently die_meatbaby's filter doesn't take very long to read.I don't have any thoughts on them yet. I kinda just ignored everything they said in preparation for reading their filter later. It's almost later. I'd be okay lynching them too, they are on Chezinu level. | ||
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On December 14 2023 03:18 Holyflare wrote: I thought raynpelikoneet was town but I honestly forget why. Now I kinda think he's mafia but I need to reread him (next on the list), it irks me since I think I had a reason to townread him and forgot it though.Gut read on me or rayn? I always think you're town. This game is no exception. Sometimes you end up being mafia. It's sad but I have no idea how to change this. | ||
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On December 14 2023 03:38 marvellosity wrote: People never think what I am thinking That’s what smart players do, though. They make good points and look like they are thinking about the game. But somehow they don’t line up with how you’re thinking…  In all seriousness though, if you guys lynch sandroba then I hope I am wrong. But I'm just not seeing it, so unless something dramatically changes then you won't have my vote. Why not Chezinu or die_meatbaby? | ||
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Lots of posts but minimal presence. Doesn't feel like he is pushing much here compared to how active he has been. Two exceptions: his "catch" on Holyflare not reading (more on this later) and his scumreading Palmar. Look at the way he scumreads Palmar, he isn't very committed to it or upset that no one is listening, he feels largely content to just say "Palmar could be mafia" and then move on with life. This isn't how I am used to raynpelikoneet playing as town, nor is it town motivated. His "catch" on Holyflare. He's so stubborn about this, but town!raynpelikoneet that I'm used to is more willing to try and see things from other people's perspectives, even on "logic" disagreements. Don't misunderstand, he's still super stubborn, but he won't hold onto things literally forever anymore. The fact that he hasn't let it go, but simultaneously isn't passionately driving it in everyone's face and calling for Holyflare's lynch seems very off. I don't understand how this in-between world exists for town raynpelikoneet. Then there are little things that probably don't mean much. Part of me wants to think that saying "do you have a vig" to die_meatbaby is a slip but I also don't really believe in slips. His post-d1 lynch apology to Vivax feels more told-you-so than actually apologetic, given that he was scumreading and voting for Vivax before the lynch, and the way it comes off feels wrong. But the main two points are above. | ||
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Chezinu/die_meatbaby/raynpelikoneet I think are more likely still, but yeah. Uneasy feelings. | ||
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