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I can defend myself against all the accusations you have, aside the fact that i was wrong. If that's your case, then i guess i can't do anything about it. I will be here today until 4 PM my time, then we will have a night out with my board gaming group, and i will be here tomorrow whenever i wake up until whenever i fall asleep.
My mindset going to N3 was the following. I thought marv, DMB and slam are town. I thought sandroba and Palmar have very little reason to be mafia together. At some point i also realised Palmar is mot likely town (enforced by the fact marv was NK'd during the night 3). That didn't leave me much for error (based on what i thought).
On December 22 2023 11:45 sandroba wrote:
Rayn Chez vote he claimed he thought I was mafia at that point, that's why he didn't push Chez. That is not what town rayn would do of he thought I was mafia, he wouldn't switch to Chez who he said was a crapshoot.
That's not what i said. I also never switched votes from anyone during the day. I explicitly said i voted for Chezinu because i thought both of you are mafia but noone was seemingly willing to vote for him, and after the resistance especially against my vote continued (namely from Koshi and HF -- who i both thought have a reasonable chance of flipping mafia as well), i decided it's a good vote.
On December 22 2023 11:45 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2023 03:05 sandroba wrote:
How can rayn even defend low effort dmb who is not even here defending herself is mind-boggling. We raised points on dmb which she has not addressed, yet rayn feels confortable speculating what town reasons she should have for it.
That should tell you everything you need to know. This also, town rayn never does this
Normally that would be an okay reasoning, however you have to understand it was a mylo situation. In my opinion in mylo situation it is all hands on deck, and if we still had a mislynch, i would not have defended DMB like i did. I genuinely just thought she is town, if you don't agree with my reasoning being legit, then there is nothing i can do about it, but what you are saying doesn't make me mafia.
On December 22 2023 13:00 sandroba wrote:Doesn't really matter at this point but found it funny. Rayn: Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 01:52 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv, what exactly do you mean by Trfel being tenacious? Just kept posting. Not a lot more than that tbh Trfel is basically a synonym to wishy-wasy when he is town. He makes very good points and then keeps doubting himself on them over and over again which makes other people questioning him which makes himself questioning himself even more. I don't think there is basically anything "wrong" (or scummy) with his play here. Also Rayn: Show nested quote +On December 20 2023 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Trfel is just mafia here.
- Trfel has been very wishy-washy on his reads during the whole game. I know town!Trfel is wishy-wasy, i just think he is overplaying it here. Basically every read until last night ends up being "could be or is not mafia" category. Basically Trfel has called everyone mafia except for Palmar. Only after marv starts getting suspicious of him and his town read on Palmar he starts getting these hard stances on people. I understand the less people we have the less room there is also for error, but it just doesn't seem natural at all to me.
None of that is mutually exclusive. I said Trfel is wishy-washy, it's his town tell. Then i said i think when the game went on he is just trying to overplay it, because pretty much nothing ever went to actual conclusions. It really looked to me he was trying to overplay his town meta.
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On December 22 2023 18:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2023 05:34 Alakaslam wrote:
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/in if needed to fill roster
This is out of fear of Palmar. He is, believe it or not, not only capable of reading me (mostly) accurately, but can make me the Supreme fool, putty in his hands. If slam genuinely believes this, why isn’t masoning me immediately just a straight up town move?
Because he said he would mason either me/chezinu/marv. In the game.
Like ofc what he said before game is legit town, why does he say different things in the game?
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Oh wait, i think i completely misread my own quote lol....
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On December 22 2023 18:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2023 05:34 Alakaslam wrote:
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/in if needed to fill roster
This is out of fear of Palmar. He is, believe it or not, not only capable of reading me (mostly) accurately, but can make me the Supreme fool, putty in his hands. If slam genuinely believes this, why isn’t masoning me immediately just a straight up town move?
You are right, it is. Unfortunately in this case it is not 
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Do you, Palmar, think i am this much "out of my game" as mafia?
Because i don't think i would be. Generally i don't get suspected as mafia. I know how to talk to people, i know how to be irritating towards people so that it doesn't get me scumread. I can read the game to say what people want to hear.
Most of the time people think i am mafia, it's because i am town and i do what i believe is right and it doesn't sit well with other people. When i am town i don't care about that. When i am mafia i definitely care about that because it's all you need to care about when being mafia. What's my angle and play here, starting from D2?
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On December 22 2023 19:54 Palmar wrote:
I think both Sandroba and I could’ve just ended the game last night if we’re scum by moving on Trfel.
Youre definitely right here.
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Idk what you want from me then though?
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Not really, i guess it was implied when you asked me questions.
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Ah shit, i really should have seen this earlier.
Too much of non-nonsense, too much awareness for Slam to be town.
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##vote Alakaslam
good game anyways 
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Oh right i also wanted to say this:
I don't think this is a good use of "meta". People have tried to meta me probably almost every game i have playead and always they get it wrong, because they do not look at the situation the game is in. Here is an appropriate use of meta:
On December 19 2023 02:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 02:29 sandroba wrote:
I'm reading through it and the student game he was scum it looks like Trfel has much more direction and is pushing the mafia agenda without waffling. He is defendig Breshe his scum partner and not town siding at all. Don't agree that it looks similar to this game I think you’re being too specific with he townsiding stuff. I think it’s clear Trfel can make impressive, thought out posts as mafia. Of course you can easily be right here sand. I’m not even calling Trfel mafia here (although it seems to be all I’m talking about!). We just have to be bloody sure that we haven’t written him off as town when it’s not 100% I’ll put it another way - I don’t think you, or Koshi, or Palmar can play the way you’ve played this game as mafia. I do think Trfel could play this way as mafia.
You just don't compare posts and say someone is mafia based on "meta because they did similar post in another game".
Like idk.. Go and read marv's filter D3-N3, why do you think he was killed? Why do you think i would, if anyone, kill him? (i would though) But in your world...
I am not even going to go into your first quote, but the second one is ridiculous. In that game HF said he was VTand he was roleblocked, noone as VT knew if they were roleblocked or not. When that statement came out, what was i supposed to think as town or as mafia? How does it reflect to this game? Answer is in no way at all. That's not a way to use meta.
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In all, if you want to use meta, HF saying stupid shit and me not going 100% full after it should be a town tell for me. Because he literally claimed i am mafia for calling Palmar town after Palmar had posted and him reading my posts on Palmar, but not reading my posts before Palamr posted.
If i was mafia i would be all over that shit, because i am 100% right and he is 100% wrong. I let it go, not to say i don't consider it anymore in this game which is ridiculous because it makes him mafia 99% of the time (apparently it didn't), but like i am never fucking letting that shit go for a second if i am mafia because i can argue it over and over again and noone can blame me because i am "right".
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Even Holyflare understood it..
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Alright i am out for the night. I will annoy you more tomorrow whenever i wake up.
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On December 22 2023 23:23 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2023 18:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 22 2023 11:45 sandroba wrote:On December 21 2023 03:05 sandroba wrote:
How can rayn even defend low effort dmb who is not even here defending herself is mind-boggling. We raised points on dmb which she has not addressed, yet rayn feels confortable speculating what town reasons she should have for it.
That should tell you everything you need to know. This also, town rayn never does this Normally that would be an okay reasoning, however you have to understand it was a mylo situation. In my opinion in mylo situation it is all hands on deck, and if we still had a mislynch, i would not have defended DMB like i did. I genuinely just thought she is town, if you don't agree with my reasoning being legit, then there is nothing i can do about it, but what you are saying doesn't make me mafia. It really does, because you didn't just defend her, you made up reasons to town read stuff she did before even letting her address it. You showed no interest in figuring out if she was town or not, you had that as a presupposition only her and for no one else. I'm aware I'm not going to convince you you are mafia regardless of alignment, but just want to say you are really nailed for this. I really do think you are straight up mafia, before even trying to figure if Slam is town or not. The way you acted yesterday with me was not a townie figuring out the game, it was mafia putting on a show and throwing suspicion at me and Trfel.
Well i just dont agree with that. On DMB i mean.
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You dont have to convince me about being mafia.
If you have some questions or something you need to cleared, please ask. If you have stuff you have already made up your mind on, dont bother pls.
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Like i am all in figuring out and discussing why slam is / isnt mafia. Same as why rayn is / isnt mafia.
If your goal is to comment on my stuff and have a tunnel vision on it already, again, do not bother.
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On December 22 2023 23:50 sandroba wrote:
I've read your filter many times and this whole game is just you coming in the thread when there is some heat on you, trying to diffuse suspicion. It's never you trying to find town or find mafia.
Everytime you gave a reason for someone to be town was based on very flimsy reasoning, reasoning that you would immediately discard as soon as thread sentiment moved the other way.
You are just floating along with thread sentiment, keeping options open and arguing with people to appear townie, which is your mafia MO looking at the other game I linked.
No effort to solve the game. Only real effort you ever put was yesterday to try to get Trfel or me, or whoever not dmb lynched.
1/3 of your post:
I guess you can think that, and its reasonable. I play when i can play, there is nothing else to say about that. I disagree i have not been trying to find out who is town or mafia.
2/3:
Thats just simply untrue. If i am mafia why would iever do this?
3/3:
I am definitely not floating around with thread sentiment, D2. D3, D4????
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On December 22 2023 23:52 sandroba wrote:This is what you posted about the Chezinu vote: Show nested quote +On December 15 2023 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
First of all there is no way i am voting for Chezinu over sandroba D2 when i did if i was mafia. Not even in the scenario where i am mafia with Chezinu and sandroba. I was the key person to actually make Chezinu lynch even viable option at that time.
So i guess it's time to look through all the people who are telling i am mafia because i voted for Chezinu, or whatever i did during D2. There is mafia there and there is probably 2 mafia in there.
That means i don't care about Slam, Trfel, DMB. Knowing this is a flat out lie. You did exactly this as mafia in the game I linked, and you are lying about it to try to garner townie points.
Thats your bad meta
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On December 23 2023 01:12 sandroba wrote:
I'm never unvoting.
Up to you guys if you want to wait or be done with this.
I didnt expect anything else.
I was just playing until the end.
You have your way and deal with it after the game.
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