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On December 11 2023 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna take a little break. My feet have been cold for like 3 days because of shitty socks, and i just want to go to sauna now that i can. Will be back in an hour.
If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate. To be honest I think you are nitpicking a bit. Even if we say you are right and Holyflare isn't, I'm not sure what that demonstrates. It means he messed up in reading the thread maybe, I don't think it makes him mafia. I think that the overall picture of Holyflare's play is much more important.
Holyflare, thoughts on DarthPunk? I get that it's night in Australia but he still feels a bit off to me.
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On December 11 2023 05:25 Chezinu wrote:
Dear Mafias,
You do not have to follow the path of redness though your name is stained with red. You can live without eliminating the green and blue. You can resist the urge to kill!! It is not too late for a blue priest to make you green!! Just repent openly and confess to the priest and He will remove your redness. You could be green or even perhaps blue!! But Chezinu, what color are you?
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On December 11 2023 05:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 04:35 Trfel wrote:
Vivax, curious if you have any thoughts on DarthPunk? Interesting position in that he suspects you. Who would you vote right now? And why didn't you vote? I don't know, I am not that confident in anyone. My best guesses would be you, DarthPunk, Koshi, and sandroba (not in any particular order).
@Holyflare, I have not made a reads list. The above people are the ones I'm most interested in currently though.
@Chezinu, what happened to the house of brown?
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On December 11 2023 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Are you comfortable on his position that "Interesting position in that he suspects you.", Trfel?
Why do you just leave it like that? Sorry, I am not sure what you mean? Who are we talking about?
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On December 11 2023 06:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Trfel can you explain why I am suspicious to you very briefly. Two things. First is that after you unvoted me you seemed content to have no strong suspicion or push or thread presence, though I may be underestimating the impact of it being nighttime in Australia. Second thing is that some of your reasoning really doesn't line up. For example, what raynpelikoneet mentioned, your reason to townread sandroba being that he was suspicious of marvellosity. He didn't engage marvellosity or push for his lynch, he's wanting to lynch Vivax, it's easy to say "this person is mafia" and not back it up or push it at all.
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I'm sorry I still don't get what you are asking. What's wrong with me asking Vivax about his read on DarthPunk? I asked Holyflare the same thing, because Holyflare said he was open to discussing anything (I guess said it to you, but I took the opportunity). I'm still suspicious of Vivax, I just wanted to know what he thought about DarthPunk? Very confused here.
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I think at this point I'd be okay with lynching Koshi (if he is going to play like this), and potentially okay with lynching DarthPunk. Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. Holyflare's point that he's focusing on defending himself from presumed incorrect accusations instead of actually finding mafia or being productive is strong, now that he's actually shared suspicions I look forward to him coming back tomorrow. Vivax I could definitely see being mafia but I don't think I want to lynch him as much as Koshi or DarthPunk at this point.
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On December 11 2023 06:08 DarthPunk wrote:
I also tend to think that with the pressure that Sandro has been under picking a fight with marv seems like a terrible play as mafia, so it feels genuine to me. Here @DarthPunk
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On December 11 2023 05:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 04:35 Trfel wrote:
Vivax, curious if you have any thoughts on DarthPunk? Interesting position in that he suspects you. Who would you vote right now? And why didn't you vote? Oh you mean this? I think it's fine that Vivax thought DarthPunk being suspicious of me was interesting. I think it's less fine that Vivax dodged my question and hasn't been very invested in this game. But I don't think I would lynch him before Koshi.
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On December 11 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote:
I think at this point I'd be okay with lynching Koshi (if he is going to play like this), and potentially okay with lynching DarthPunk. Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. Holyflare's point that he's focusing on defending himself from presumed incorrect accusations instead of actually finding mafia or being productive is strong, now that he's actually shared suspicions I look forward to him coming back tomorrow. Vivax I could definitely see being mafia but I don't think I want to lynch him as much as Koshi or DarthPunk at this point. Holyflare is not townie in any way, in any point of his game. He might be misguided as fuck but never ever has he done anything townie. I never said I thought Holyflare was town (or mafia for that matter), I just agreed with that one point. Can I not agree with something that someone said without knowing their alignment?On December 11 2023 06:37 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 06:36 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 06:08 DarthPunk wrote:
I also tend to think that with the pressure that Sandro has been under picking a fight with marv seems like a terrible play as mafia, so it feels genuine to me. Here @DarthPunk ??? Is that a town read? If it's not a townread then what is it??
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On December 11 2023 06:40 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote:
I think at this point I'd be okay with lynching Koshi (if he is going to play like this), and potentially okay with lynching DarthPunk. Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. Holyflare's point that he's focusing on defending himself from presumed incorrect accusations instead of actually finding mafia or being productive is strong, now that he's actually shared suspicions I look forward to him coming back tomorrow. Vivax I could definitely see being mafia but I don't think I want to lynch him as much as Koshi or DarthPunk at this point. Wait wtF?!? I am your second biggest lynch candidate because: 1.) I stopped posting for 6 hours in the middle of the night and 2.) for saying pretty much exactly what you are saying about sandroba's recent posts??? That doesn't make any fucking sense. Are you for real right now? ##vote: Trfel I don't want to lynch you for what you said about sandroba's posts. Why are you quoting things that aren't my reasoning and calling it my reasoning? And it's not that you stopped posting during the night, it's the way you left with seemingly no direction and how content you felt to do so. Yes, it can be explained (to some extent) by being asleep, but the timing seems rather suspect as well due to making a push, backing off when it seems clear to not be working, and then leaving since you've "done something" already.
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On December 11 2023 05:42 DarthPunk wrote:
Sandroba also looks good to me when he posts, so again, don't understand the scum reads on him. On December 11 2023 06:03 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:42 DarthPunk wrote:
Sandroba also looks good to me when he posts, so again, don't understand the scum reads on him.
Why, please? Basically because in isolation his posts resonate with my own thinking in some way. I do think you had one of the best reasons to call him mafia though, which I hadn't read when I made that post. But I still don't think I would lynch him at this point. On December 11 2023 06:08 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:58 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:42 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sandroba are you gonna be here in like 30mins?
i WILL have another round of sauna, but after that i would very much like to interact with you head-to-head if you are here. I'm not going to stick around much longer, my youngest just woke up. I'll be back around 10pm ET. Tomorrow I'll be available throughout the day why is marv mafia? Something is off about the way he says "his first terrible post", seems needlessly antagonistic, a bit too assertive about maybe the contents of the post being terrible? Doesn't explain much about why such post was "terrible" or even if terrible means suspicious. The rest of his content just seems a bit of stirring the pot, but not in a way to actually talk about something suspicious, but instead to keep people nit-picking on each other in circles. Like I agree with the observations in this post, while I disagree with the conclusion. It makes me feel like he is reading the thread closely and thinking about what things mean, I think that is hard to fake as mafia. I also tend to think that with the pressure that Sandro has been under picking a fight with marv seems like a terrible play as mafia, so it feels genuine to me. On December 11 2023 06:21 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
it's not even like CAN marv be mafia, but like... marv is mafia here now in this game, one of the most mafia reads.. rly? I mean I understand that, but I also think I could see it from Sandro's perspective, I don't see how making this accusation actually does anything positive for Sandro's agenda if he is mafia. I also tend to think that townies will make really dumb reads a lot, but as long as I feel like I can understand the reasons for the read in some way, it's fine. With his marv read the observations are correct to me, I just think the conclusion is wrong because marv tends to be more of a jerk (in the nicest possible way) as town and more conciliatory as mafia. But I don't expect Sandro to have that information or arrive at that conclusion based on how long he has been away. To me, these posts say that you think sandroba is town. Not like 100% bet your life on it certainty or anything, but if you had to guess you'd say he's town. So, townread. You're defending him, bringing up reasons why he is town, saying his play doesn't make sense as mafia. What else am I supposed to think? If this isn't a townread then what is?
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On December 11 2023 06:46 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 06:41 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote:
I think at this point I'd be okay with lynching Koshi (if he is going to play like this), and potentially okay with lynching DarthPunk. Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. Holyflare's point that he's focusing on defending himself from presumed incorrect accusations instead of actually finding mafia or being productive is strong, now that he's actually shared suspicions I look forward to him coming back tomorrow. Vivax I could definitely see being mafia but I don't think I want to lynch him as much as Koshi or DarthPunk at this point. Holyflare is not townie in any way, in any point of his game. He might be misguided as fuck but never ever has he done anything townie. I never said I thought Holyflare was town (or mafia for that matter), I just agreed with that one point. Can I not agree with something that someone said without knowing their alignment? On December 11 2023 06:37 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 06:36 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 06:08 DarthPunk wrote:
I also tend to think that with the pressure that Sandro has been under picking a fight with marv seems like a terrible play as mafia, so it feels genuine to me. Here @DarthPunk ??? Is that a town read? If it's not a townread then what is it?? So explain to me Trfel, why us agreeing on sandro's recent posts is one of the top 2 reasons you think I am mafia. It's literally not my reason, are you reading my posts at all?
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On December 11 2023 06:36 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 06:08 DarthPunk wrote:
I also tend to think that with the pressure that Sandro has been under picking a fight with marv seems like a terrible play as mafia, so it feels genuine to me. Here @DarthPunk Here, I'll quote it again.
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On December 11 2023 06:58 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 06:53 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 06:36 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 06:08 DarthPunk wrote:
I also tend to think that with the pressure that Sandro has been under picking a fight with marv seems like a terrible play as mafia, so it feels genuine to me. Here @DarthPunk Here, I'll quote it again. Quoting it again doesn't magically make it worthwhile. 1.)I didn't call sandro town. If I think someone is town I will say they are town. 2.) You said basically the same thing about sandro as me regarding his posting revealing his mindset. 3.) I left the thread in the middle of the night. Therefore I am mafia. 1 - Okay, I'll leave this post:On December 11 2023 06:49 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:42 DarthPunk wrote:
Sandroba also looks good to me when he posts, so again, don't understand the scum reads on him. Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 06:03 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:42 DarthPunk wrote:
Sandroba also looks good to me when he posts, so again, don't understand the scum reads on him.
Why, please? Basically because in isolation his posts resonate with my own thinking in some way. I do think you had one of the best reasons to call him mafia though, which I hadn't read when I made that post. But I still don't think I would lynch him at this point. Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 06:08 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 05:58 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:42 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sandroba are you gonna be here in like 30mins?
i WILL have another round of sauna, but after that i would very much like to interact with you head-to-head if you are here. I'm not going to stick around much longer, my youngest just woke up. I'll be back around 10pm ET. Tomorrow I'll be available throughout the day why is marv mafia? Something is off about the way he says "his first terrible post", seems needlessly antagonistic, a bit too assertive about maybe the contents of the post being terrible? Doesn't explain much about why such post was "terrible" or even if terrible means suspicious. The rest of his content just seems a bit of stirring the pot, but not in a way to actually talk about something suspicious, but instead to keep people nit-picking on each other in circles. Like I agree with the observations in this post, while I disagree with the conclusion. It makes me feel like he is reading the thread closely and thinking about what things mean, I think that is hard to fake as mafia. I also tend to think that with the pressure that Sandro has been under picking a fight with marv seems like a terrible play as mafia, so it feels genuine to me. Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 06:21 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
it's not even like CAN marv be mafia, but like... marv is mafia here now in this game, one of the most mafia reads.. rly? I mean I understand that, but I also think I could see it from Sandro's perspective, I don't see how making this accusation actually does anything positive for Sandro's agenda if he is mafia. I also tend to think that townies will make really dumb reads a lot, but as long as I feel like I can understand the reasons for the read in some way, it's fine. With his marv read the observations are correct to me, I just think the conclusion is wrong because marv tends to be more of a jerk (in the nicest possible way) as town and more conciliatory as mafia. But I don't expect Sandro to have that information or arrive at that conclusion based on how long he has been away. To me, these posts say that you think sandroba is town. Not like 100% bet your life on it certainty or anything, but if you had to guess you'd say he's town. So, townread. You're defending him, bringing up reasons why he is town, saying his play doesn't make sense as mafia. What else am I supposed to think? If this isn't a townread then what is? to stand for itself. If people choose to believe that you don't think sandroba is town and yet you made these posts, then whatever.
2 - So? I don't care. That's not why you are mafia. You can agree with me on something and still be mafia.
3 - We discussed this. Please stop being intentionally obtuse. I don't care if you think I am mafia, but the constant badgering with questions, ignoring the answers, and then misrepresenting me is getting really annoying really quick.
Gotta head out for a bit, going to clear my head. Yeesh.
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Sorry everyone, I let my frustration get the better of me.
On December 11 2023 07:13 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think you're calling Trfel mafia, not the other way around here?
It's not like you're being tunneled by Trfel DP, is it?
Now i don't know why you think Trfel is mafia, where did he lie, or did any of those dubious things that might make them mafia? Bullet points please.
Also look at what HF did:
- rayn is scum because palmar - rayn posts
- palmar didnt post when hf voted Mr. truffles responded when I wrote a letter to the Mafias and then said what is wrong with being brown, meaning he doesn't want to go full green. So either blue or red, but I R red/blue blind. Mr. Truffle, will you play the brown? That's quite the honor, I can do my best, but I don't know if I am worthy.
Somewhere along the lines of sandroba or Vivax or maybe Koshi seems reasonable. I see what marvellosity is saying about Koshi though, it's really just a policy lynch, which isn't the worst, but is far from the best. Koshi isn't even playing that poorly, I know he's capable of much more and that's very disappointing to me, but he is at least sharing a small number of somewhat relevant thoughts (quality aside).
@Koshi:On December 10 2023 23:59 Koshi wrote:
Ready to be lynched. I am so happy. Why are you ready to be lynched/why do you want to be lynched?
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Voting for Vivax, pending sandroba's catch-up.
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On December 11 2023 13:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Trfel are you around?
Can you give me your updated reads now you are voting vivax I'm asleep.
I think Vivax is the best chance at mafia. His play is very underwhelming and uninspired, in contrast to his town play where he is capable of being a very strong player. He also seems to not care about his relatively poor performance/lack of investmemt.
Sandroba and Koshi might be worth considering but I think I like lynching Vivax more by a decent margin.
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On December 11 2023 16:59 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 11:42 Trfel wrote:@Koshi:On December 10 2023 23:59 Koshi wrote:
Ready to be lynched. I am so happy. Why are you ready to be lynched/why do you want to be lynched? 1) My town game is too stereotypical. So people are calling me town D1. I am getting shot N1. My mafia game suffers because I am unable to produce the same as mafia. I am not capable to up my mafia game. But I am very capable to downgrade my townplay. So I need to get lynched a bunch of times so that my future mafia teams have a chance. 2) Pretty sure I am not the only one who should try to hide his alignment better. Even Slam is being tip top town this game. Thank you for answering, even though I heavily disagree with that perspective.
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On December 11 2023 17:17 DarthPunk wrote:
For the record trfel what is your read on me right now, you seem to have dropped it entirely. I'm taking a break from reading you since it wasn't being very productive. Will re-evaluate at some point.
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