Quarterly Mafia 1 - part 2
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On August 26 2023 13:57 JacobStrangelove wrote: Just anecdotally you seem more on point with these calls this game. Could be a well we just lost a game due to this result punk tho so I'll not say it means anything about him more you though. I like you better this game. I think anyone could make the same comment if they are in the thread , don't see how you can make a reference to anecdotal rules lawyering and then give someone town points for it | ||
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On August 26 2023 16:20 JacobStrangelove wrote: Ahh I think dp only would respect a rule if it works in his favour aka if he was mafia. Otherwise he'll find any logic possible to bend it to his will. So DP/ttt not posting to respect the rules is a potential mafia tell for him and that iamperfections post is making that read? | ||
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Would actually be a very good lynch at this point | ||
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On August 26 2023 16:26 mathenalin wrote: So DP/ttt not posting to respect the rules is a potential mafia tell for him and that iamperfections post is making that read? Waiting for clarification on this but I think this is a poor reason to town read iamp if thats the case. Rayn any reason for your iamp town read? I think meatballls might be town aswell for dumb psychological reasons | ||
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On August 27 2023 01:43 Vivax wrote: This reads to me like a busser‘s opinion purely off gut. Any own reasons for this read ? Oh do you think chez is mafia aswell then, i've got a good feeling that he's mafia. | ||
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haha what is this "do I know you" bullshit, you ain't heath ledger baby. | ||
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On August 27 2023 03:55 Vivax wrote: No I don‘t think that. But I think that if you both were, that‘s how you‘d react. Liked this answer though. Not going to keep you on the hook. Thread is a bit dead so I'll keep going If you had a gut feeling that its a bussers opinion then doesnt it mean chez has to be mafia in your gut aswell....thats not a bad thing tbh.. | ||
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On August 26 2023 23:55 LightningStrike wrote: More likely town given last attempt of this game hence why I was wanting to give him more time. What does last attempt of this game mean? | ||
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On August 27 2023 04:47 LightningStrike wrote: Part 1 which got canceled due to irl stuff happened that was alignment revealing hence why we are at Part 2. Lurker. Ok so Jacobs vote of marv , is alignment indicative because of what happened in the other game? | ||
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On August 27 2023 04:55 Koshi wrote: I noticed it. Also the not trying to solve the game at all around the townslips. Also the not denieing your own townslip and even somewhat pointing it out you did it. But I saw TTT was also caught so ezgame ezlife. Damn thats some smart shit | ||
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On August 27 2023 04:59 LightningStrike wrote: Last game he did something similar as town that why I think it's alignment indicative. Did he? I don't see it | ||
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On August 27 2023 05:04 Koshi wrote: Hmmmm on point is not the word I would use. Maybe confrontational. It's different not sure better. Pressuring Chez is 100% pointless. Do you have a way of reading him early ? | ||
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On August 27 2023 05:13 LightningStrike wrote: He voted me last game for info here he is voting Marv to get rid of one of 3 difficult to read people. Although not exactly the same but you get the point. Not really. The marv vote is like a dumb joke very early , voting you well into d1 for info is completely different | ||
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On August 27 2023 05:09 Koshi wrote: No. Each day just start your vote on Chez and only remove it if you find mafia. Fair enough, hes done a very poor job handling the pressure so far that im happy to keep it going | ||
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Hmm...i guess I'll wait to see if you do anything before your name gets pinged avain | ||
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On August 27 2023 13:07 TankTopTiger wrote: I asked DMB. I'm probably the best friend you have rn and the fact you're missing this as well confirms to me that you have no handle on what's going on. Icky | ||
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On August 27 2023 17:30 DarthPunk wrote: If you are around, would be interested to see where your thoughts are at this point. Yeh im around. I need to go over a few bits again but some highlights to me. Your push on vivax was the most memorable. I haven't decided if vivax was "caught out" or just being obtuse and confrontational with you , there's a lot of headspace talk that i dont understand. I do like that you are back in the thread and pushing , game has felt directionless I read ttt's explanation of his only friend comment. Its a pretty obvious "play". does mafia make plays though, he certainly seems different to last game. There is extra votes on chez , more pressure is good ,he is starting to crumble. Last game marv and rayn were both town and it felt we made good progress. This game rayn has activity issues which I get but i havent felt the same drive or well thought out comments from either. Something to keep an eye on. LS has been pretty AFK again with a weirdly reasoned read. Apparently that is normal LS according to marv. But i havent seen emotional involvement and he only responds when his name gets pinged so i don't like him. It seems like i need to form an opinion on iamp and jacob if i want to get a feel for some other players. Prioritising that next unless you have other questions | ||
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On August 27 2023 17:47 DarthPunk wrote: If you had to lynch someone that is not Chezinu right now who would it be? Any thoughts on Koshi? Thanks for the post :D No thoughts on Koshi but i haven't really tried, same with VE i suppose. LS would be my next lynch choice | ||
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Then you got the wrong end of the stick where he was talkng about iamp and you thought it was about you. Koshi thinks its different? But then also wonders if hes trying too hard to be different. I guess he's null I dont have a read on iamp so I'm waiting to hear what other players pitch in with | ||
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*rescinding my | ||
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Im parking here. Hopefully i get sometime tonight to have a beer and be around for lynching | ||
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On August 27 2023 19:55 DarthPunk wrote: Does anyone know if Rayn was going to be absent for this long for IRL reasons? I saw he was moving house but not sure if that is still the case? Said something about 2 birthdays so potentially back late and sleeping off a monstrous hangover. Giving him a pass for that tbh | ||
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On August 27 2023 16:49 marvellosity wrote: Well, I actually don’t have much to say. Vivax’s posts felt obtuse and I thought I recognised misdirection there from when we were scum together. But he argued about it so damn much this time which is a different look and more classically ‘vivax’ @vivax I thought this comment was pretty good. I had the same interpretation of your talk with dp but i couldn't see why it was scum motivated. It felt like some of the comments he made last game..its a low content game and im looking for anything tbh | ||
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On August 28 2023 01:07 LightningStrike wrote: Also ty Vivax! Turning 29 years old so I getting a bit old now >.< Rip | ||
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On August 28 2023 02:30 VisceraEyes wrote: I think it's solid too, I'm not fully caught up but I think Chez Rule wins this day. YMMV I have no excuse that's valid for inactivity, I've just got a lot of heavy shit going on right now. May I edit out this post from the vote thread? What does this mean? | ||
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So this game i want to see what he does and so far his response to pressure has been non existent except to call the person who accuses him, mafia. Its been low energy and weak. So if someone asked me "whats your mafia read on him" for me i wanted to push him to see what flex he shows and because I don't think he should be able to get away with posting riddles and not engaging with other players. | ||
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On August 28 2023 02:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Generally speaking I agree with you and didn't follow the rule as a matter of course. It's also true that there isn't much in Chez filter in the way of actionable content and from my perspective he's AS untrustworthy as you are, perhaps more so because he 'knows better' or whatever. If you're town and this is wrong, I hope that I get another decent read before deadline. However, I'm also hoping that you're mafia and the Rule wins the day so there's a fair amount of conf-bias that I'm fighting against - not enough to make me check out of the game, but enough to color my reads until I know one way or the other. Long story short, my vote isn't cemented to you, but it's not there with no reason either. I'm still playing. L o fucking l | ||
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On August 28 2023 02:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Yo it's frustrating but I gotta say, you being here pushing against it is literally the best thing you can do. What exactly am i pushing against? A random chezinu rule that you dont believe in but have decided to follow here? | ||
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On August 28 2023 03:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Precisely that. If you are town and think it's nonsense then treat it as nonsense and ignore me. But be warned that others in this game, not many but some, don't think it's nonsense. Noted | ||
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On August 28 2023 03:08 iamperfection wrote: mathenalin your not new to mafia in general correct? Correct | ||
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On August 28 2023 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: mathenalin, around 10 hours ago you said you were prioritizing getting a read on iamp and Jacob. I see you formed a read on iamp but there is no mention in your filter about Jacob (even after you talked with DP about your reads -- so it doesn't fall under "if anyone has questions for me" anymore i guess). Did you ever form a read on Jacob? I'd say i don't like him but i cant point to anything as, thats scum behaviour. His point about dp following rules and iamp being "on point" was silly. His vote on marv being anything other than a joke. Then talking about voting chez but immediately calling it a "pressure" vote which instantly makes it lose power. I'd lynch him and not lose sleep but i cant form a slam dunk case. | ||
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I don't know tbh. | ||
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On August 28 2023 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I find it quite weird you treat this as anti-town behavior for some reasons: 1) Every vote particularly during D1 is "pressure", since noone has a good clue who is mafia (especially seems to be true this game since nobody really seems to have a even remotely good case they trust. 2) You said yourself, before voting for Chezinu, at twice, that pressure on Chezinu is good and should be kept up. Why did you say that while simultaneously claiming if you announce pressure it loses power over the target? Well i tried to pretend I had a reason | ||
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On August 28 2023 04:06 iamperfection wrote: i dont know about that. she barely posted in the game when excited to be mafia for the record. Yeh +1 to this | ||
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Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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I have responsibilities, but , my lynch order VE chez LS Any other mo fo lurkers | ||
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On August 28 2023 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: If youre still around, didnt you earlier say you dont know if VE is scum or bad? What changed? Wasnt that question about Jacob? | ||
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If VE is now here and making a contribution that isnt lynching me then I would rather lynch chez over anyone else. | ||
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LS Meatbaby Really have to go now. Good luck | ||
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Dont really understand darths points on me. Accuses me of hedging , but he also accused me of hedging last game where I was town. I think VE or LS would still be good to look at. LS in particular looks poor around that lynch. I will need to read over the EOD again to grasp what was going on and evaluate. Don't expect too much from me. I will likely be inactive d2 because apparently its fashionable to give a reason for not playing the game. | ||
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I'll try to get back to you on the darth stuff before end of phase | ||
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On August 28 2023 22:42 DarthPunk wrote: Repost for visibility: Posts from last game: + Show Spoiler + On August 25 2023 22:02 mathenalin wrote: This may be too early for a read but I don't see a world where both mafia marv and mafia rayn read VE as town early on and then sort of celebrate over it. (although mostly rayn congratulating marv). I suppose it's possible that rayn just said "you know who you SHOULD town read" and then agreed with whatever marv says but feels unlikely. Both strong players so I think if there is a mafia in there it is only one and then its either two strong town players reading VE as town, which makes it more likely he is town. Or there is one mafia in the two of them and they are reading VE as town with the knowledge that he is. Summary then that VE is likely town. then rayn or marv both town or max one mafia. On August 25 2023 22:34 mathenalin wrote: I didn't play in those games so I don't know exactly how it went, but what concerns me with this is that you have a large amount of data/experience from the past two games and now you are extrapolating a read based on a very small sample size in this game which, to me, doesn't seem to lean either way, at least not from an attitude perspective. I now have to decide if you sort of see yourself as the "marv whisperer" trying to make an early god read. Or are you trying to pocket marv which is more suspicious. On August 26 2023 02:09 mathenalin wrote: I also have an evening of drinking and board games but I hope to post sporadically later on. If I had to share a list of town/wouldn't lynch with some surface level reasons VE - town for reasons earlier. Rayn - I've agreed with a lot of his posts, I think the line of questioning on LS was reasonable. Marv - He's a strong player he's given some good tempered responses that give a new perspective. his defence of LS and myself from Darth was good in a situation where he could have ignored it or added pressure. He has also been given some soft town reads from other players. Koshi - Defended LS when he didn't have to, i feel like he's been more active than most. Darth - This is tricky as I don't want to be like "you called me scummy so fuck you"... Maybe that's why he attacked me after I spoke out on his weak marv points. I feel like his push on LS came after other people had already questioned LS but it seems to be for different reasons so. Maybe it feels like going for low hanging fruit with the new guy and then LS who made a weak entry....I'm rambling here. Either way I can't tell if Darth is scummy or just having a slightly different town game to me. being a very active but maybe less logical. He is driving things forward and giving thoughts and information out so I wouldn't want to lynch him today. There is a lack of activity from several players, I haven't evaluated people with less than a page of filter. I didn't like Vivax or the LS entry. LS might be a good lynch as with the game split it would give some potential information. These posts last game really stood out to me in regard to Math's alignment. They were agentic, they showed him attempting to solve the game and to be aggressive in doing so, particularly he shared without being prometed which showed proactivity. That is something that was really lacking at the start of this game, at some point I had to ask him for his reads because I had no idea about them That was the first red flag. HIs filter start of day one was a lot of meaingless one liners and the chez vote which i felt was way too easy compared to targets like me on day one. and his posts lacked the bite and curiosity of the previous game, resulting in saying Icky, to a post that vivax had already pointed out was scummy previously. This is why I asked him for reads, I was not happy with how his play was developing this game but his reads seem forced, it's like he can't say 'i don't know' or something, too much summarizing of what happened in the thread without adding analysis or a real conclusion to it. What does he mean hasn't really tried to form thoughts on Koshi and VE? do you not just 'have' thoughts or not? most townies are in a constant state of trying to find out WTF is going on, thoughts are constant, not something that you need to labor over it seems like he is generating reads, rather than forming reads naturally. Same again, summary on Koshi. But how the hell does he not have a read on Imperfection? He was one of the biggest presences in the thread day 1. But here is the killer: You ready. He says he thinks Chez is mafia. Then he says that chez is crumbling. Later you would think that he would have a progression on the read, still be calling Chez mafia, but he actually backtracks when VE pushes him and says that its a policy or health of the town lynch. BUT HE ALREADY CALLED HIM MAFIA THE DAY BEFORE. And more: Again generating a read, doesn't know what it means, being disconnected from your reads is not a town trait. I don't care if he named it up and acted like it wasn't sus. I can't see thoughts and ideas from him, and I could in the first game. Asking the thread for permission to vote VE. Townies just fucking vote dude, they don't need to gauge the temperature of the room first. It's just too self-aware for someone who was unapologetic in their pushes in the previous iteration of the game. Marv you say you like this, I still hate it for the simple fact that only mafia pretend to have reasons to read people a particulary way, for town it is natural, it is a result of your state of being "town". I actually don;t understand what is to like about this. Hate this, again, over explained, trying to find validity as being part of the group. Whatever. Too much sheeping, almost zero actual content, this is from a player who actually challenged things in half a cycle previously He is the prime example of old school, fly under the radar, but not too much, post, but say nothing, mafia. Hi Darth, thanks for this post. Always good to get feedback on my play and try to improve it. You have posted a lot of quotes and things here so I will try to address the main points in a succinct manner. If you think I have misinterpreted you then feel free to respond. The first point you have raised is that my play early d1 was different from last game. I believe this can be answered by the fact that the thread felt a lot slower and there wasn't really much to go off , I did try to ask questions and get reads where I could, I was trying to understand the read on "rule breaking" etc. I think you also questioned why I didn't give reads on players, iamp in particular. The main reason is that I just didn't have a leaning either way. Again I hate to use this excuse but it wasn't an active D1. I am new to this group and I don't think I can be expected to have a read on everyone in the game. The third, and main focus of your argument, is how I handled chezinu and VE. The game felt slow and I thought it would be interesting to see what happened if i pushed on chez. VE made a post and I thought fuck it lets try that. I kept alluding to a reason for it. Chezinu didn't respond well , talking about a chezinu rule etc, being AFK as fuck and carrying on with his riddle stuff. I thought it seemed like a good lynch. This is why I then said to rayn that initially I "pretended to have a reason" but now believed my vote was genuine, Hence my explanation of why I was voting chez. When VE then waded in and called me mafia because he also wanted to follow the chezinu rule i was a little bit like "wtf is this." However I believe I had already pointed to VE being lacklustre before this...I am cautious of just voting people who vote me because it's a poor way to play hence my questioning "am i a snowflake or is this terrible" I can't remember my exact wording. I then shifted my vote to VE as I think this seemed like a lynch most likely to go through and not a bad one. I was set to lynch VE however he then returned to the thread and mentioned some IRL reasons for his inactivity, I generally prefer to lynch people who aren't playing over the ones who are so switched back to chezinu before going to bed. I felt I was pretty clear for my reasoning and gave my tier list of who to lynch. Hopefully that clears up your misunderstanding, if you still have reasons why this make me mafia then i would be happy to respond. | ||
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On August 29 2023 01:13 iamperfection wrote: mathenalin where else do you play I dont play anywhere else. I've lurked here on and off. Lurked mafia scum and watched it on twitch | ||
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On August 29 2023 02:31 iamperfection wrote: when i asked if you were new to mafia that's what you meant? You have never played on mafiascum? Yeh you asked if i wasnt new to mafia in general and im not. I took that to mean i understand game mechanics and basic scum vs town play. | ||
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I dont think so, i signed up for a newbie game a long time ago but i don't think it went anywhere | ||
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On August 29 2023 05:47 JacobStrangelove wrote: The math case does look solid so far don't quite like the response looks a bit stiff. Ok so what part of the case is good? | ||
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Game hasnt been what i expected now VE has flipped town. Poor play and low activity from him. Plus someone replacing out because of headspace. Like its a text forum game not a war. I'm being scumread by a lot of people now off of a weak case and responding to it is scummy apparently. I guess im not cut out for this game and don't understand it. Im voting LS and outta here. Peace # Vote LightningStrike | ||
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On August 31 2023 15:44 marvellosity wrote: Uh huh. I’m mostly very relieved as that would have meant trouble if he’d been town somehow xD TTT next? Barely skimmed so far, hopefully catch up today I'll probably just decide who's mafia early D3 and then we can lynch them. lynching into the votes on me is a good idea, mafia would have liked to save LS. TTT, jacob and darth all look bad. D2 I had absolutely no time to play and honestly with my schedule it doesn't look good for D3 but maybe that's a good thing. | ||
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I'll probably check votes around end of day and then vote whatever takes my fancy. | ||
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On September 01 2023 22:46 DarthPunk wrote: It’s also nice to have some time for irl. We all have heaps on, not just math who is busy 🤭 Lol you have no idea Vote: Koshi | ||
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Lynching me is correct as I am a huge question mark that needs getting out of the way but there is no point filter diving me as I will flip town and don't have any reads tbh. look for the other inactive players as LS and Koshi both gave up. After NK you can all vote me and vote for an immediate end of day just to speed things along Good luck | ||
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