Quarterly Mafia 1 - part 2

On August 26 2023 11:01 iamperfection wrote:
thank god. you know how depressed i was to get scum in the one game ill probably able to play all year

On August 26 2023 13:38 iamperfection wrote:
we go from skirting the rules punk to boy scout punk.

On August 26 2023 16:17 mathenalin wrote:


I think anyone could make the same comment if they are in the thread , don't see how you can make a reference to anecdotal rules lawyering and then give someone town points for it

On August 27 2023 08:27 iamperfection wrote:
why is it weird why do you think its not a typo. The son of bitch typed Maria instead of mafia we got him boys ???????????????

On August 27 2023 10:28 DarthPunk wrote:





Jake explain this bullshit please. How can you hold two positions that directly contradict each other?

On August 27 2023 10:53 Vivax wrote:


I got a slight feeling of fakeness from his ‚oh boy I sure am glad I didn‘t roll scum again‘ thing but it could admittedly also mean nothing at my present state of thoughts. As in, I‘m not married to my current vote.

On August 27 2023 11:01 DarthPunk wrote:



No Jake, the first post says that it didn't mean anything because we had just lost a game because of that.

and the subsequent post suddenly it's alignment indicative.

You can't actually believe both things at the same time.

On August 27 2023 11:03 JacobStrangelove wrote:


Naw I also felt this. At least initially based on his follow up posted that said it did drift away afterwards.

On August 26 2023 12:49 JacobStrangelove wrote:
There's something slightly odd about the cheese today. I feel like that's exactly what I would do if I was Maria.

On August 27 2023 11:28 Vivax wrote:
Dude you‘re so mafia your font turned red just chill. I just want to vote you and you be you.

On August 27 2023 11:36 TankTopTiger wrote:


I think this is a solid read, but I'll vouch. I was kinda pushy that we leave the mafia game alone. I didn't read my role while there. While we both glanced at the thread, we were both committed to not starting the game until we parted ways.

On August 27 2023 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well it doesn't make sense to me why you think he first made the vote for being bold (if mafia) and then when questioned, was getting nervous about being questioned? I obviously agree the vote and the reasoning at it's best is dumb, but like... idk. I didn't want to defend him but i don't really think it's scummy.

On August 27 2023 12:06 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yeah but jacob can you be more specific about your read on Chez. Is it just vibes or do you have insight?

I'm not really up to date on DP's stuff. I'm just parsing it now but I'm moving slow.

I think typogate is dumb shit

On August 27 2023 16:46 marvellosity wrote:

Why

On August 28 2023 09:40 DarthPunk wrote:
Jake how do you feel about TTT?

On August 28 2023 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:
Here is my problem with the Chez lynch, it is too easy.

1.)There is very little push back, in fact I am the only push back. And I know I am town, so it seems to me that mafia, whoever they are, are content with the direction of the wagons.

2.) there is very little town cred to be gained from lynching chez, so it doesn't even make sense as a bus.

On August 28 2023 10:19 iamperfection wrote:

your acting like you know chez is going to flip green

On August 28 2023 10:21 die_meatbaby wrote:


chez is not green
Chez is not blue
Chez is not red
Chez is speziell and earned a new colour
Chez is Yellow

On August 28 2023 10:22 JacobStrangelove wrote:


Yeah nvm

On August 28 2023 10:55 Chezinu wrote:


I never had a read on VE. The timestamp was in CST and did not include daylight saving time so I thought day was about to end. Game also got pushed back one hour from before (by push back I mean later - different cultures percieve time differently) So, I quickly voted knowing my alignment.

On August 28 2023 11:12 die_meatbaby wrote:


always respect the (almost) last words of a dead Townie

On August 28 2023 12:55 DarthPunk wrote:



It looks like OMGUS to me though.

And I am operating in good faith, you may not feel like it right now, but when I flip or the game ends you will know.

On August 28 2023 18:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You're clearly talking to me like i am town, don't even try to deny it.

On August 28 2023 21:11 marvellosity wrote:
Don’t say typogate

On August 28 2023 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i have to sleep before work.
VE/LS/TTT/DP.

For now i think it doesnt get harder than that.

On August 28 2023 21:36 DarthPunk wrote:


Agree, it felt impossible to lynch either TBH.

But maybe that's also because I have less thread control than I usually do from my absence day 1.

On August 28 2023 22:41 DarthPunk wrote:
No rayn in there Jake. That's interesting.

On August 29 2023 06:02 DarthPunk wrote:


Fuck you are up early.

Yeah I think that’s right solid, not amazing.

I also agree with the response being stiff or off. Dunno.

I’m am pretty sure he actually stated he played before though. I need to find that post, interesting that he is leaning into the new player angle a bit now.

On August 29 2023 11:55 iamperfection wrote:

it certainly is one or the other isn't it. thanks for your wonderful contribution.

On August 29 2023 12:00 iamperfection wrote:
like why are people talking about survival if they are town. i legitimately don't understand.

On August 27 2023 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I was gonna speedread in my 10mins, butthere was nothing to read.

Is LS mafia now as he looks more town to me than last game lol?
Iamp probs town here.

On August 27 2023 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think ismp looks very different from last game. Here i feel like he is actually interested inthe topics he takes part to (hope this answers your wuestion yesterday as well mathenalin).
Marv i had some restrictions early on, namely the "No" post where he after that somehow felt the need to wxplain the "no" for some reason. Idk it felt unnecessary. However his posting today i agree a lot with, the only reason i am not writing him off a firm town read is because he is defs capable pf that as mafia, sonce we are not really talking about scumreads here. Anyways id say town here.
Idk why Jacob is being scumread. He's more careless than before restart but you can probably tell why if you reslly think about it..
I dont think Vivax is mafia. Probably strongest town read after iamp. DP also looks "good" from the argument, but just because he was being logical and letting go ehen he "needed to" doesnt make him town. Definitely still townie side.
I also read mathenalin town just for being invested, but not a strong read, could still be mafia. I also read him town before restart, for the same reasons. Idk if it was a legit reasonto read him town for though.
TTT is probably town. Here he is actually asking about some relevant shit, before restart it was pretty... lol, i mean where he faked interest as mafia.

Everyone else can be mafia for now. Chezinu i dont even really care to read D1, dont hate the votes on him atm. Just dont know if what Jacob said is true. Koshi said some Koshi-smart stuff early on (before his marv/dp/rayn scum post). After that no smart. DMB has just not really posted.

Is someone else in the game? Let me look.

On August 27 2023 20:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah LS and VE..

LS i dont care about until D1 end. Gonn be around near deadline so i will see what he has done by then.
VE isnt as townie as last game. He could post as town or as mafia as he has here imo.

On August 28 2023 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I find it quite weird you treat this as anti-town behavior for some reasons:
1) Every vote particularly during D1 is "pressure", since noone has a good clue who is mafia (especially seems to be true this game since nobody really seems to have a even remotely good case they trust.
2) You said yourself, before voting for Chezinu, at twice, that pressure on Chezinu is good and should be kept up.

Why did you say that while simultaneously claiming if you announce pressure it loses power over the target?

On August 28 2023 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I dont think it's time to play games like this rn, or if youre not playing games with him this is a very stupid post at best.

On August 28 2023 16:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pretty sure Koshi is not mafia iamp.

On August 28 2023 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk DP, you didnt even try to get people on TTT your top scumread while mebaby was voting there and Vivax already said the post where she voted was tip top tier. Did you really want to lynch not-chezinu?

On August 28 2023 17:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

this is so horrible... so very horrible.

On August 28 2023 17:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LS looks like he's just agreeing with whatever the game state is. So i am gonna say it's just VE + LS + DP/TTT, maybe TTT moreso than DP.

On August 28 2023 17:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like you could technically argue Koshi could be mafia if VE is town (i wouldnt still believe that), but never with VE, since at the time thread progression was VE lynch pushed by marv+rayn+iamp and from those people marv+iamp didnt think mebaby is town, so why make a read the influence doesnt believe and is not supposed to gain you any town points?

On August 28 2023 18:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You're clearly talking to me like i am town, don't even try to deny it.

On August 28 2023 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think DP is mafia tbh..

On August 28 2023 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Reasons:
- tried to change the lynch from his town read but not really tried
- missing out on obvious good reasons on VE and doing something else instead
- something else instead was kind of a lackluster, i doubt he actually wanted to do something else instead
- Koshi pointed out smart stuff, DP pointed out stupid stuff on that
- bad read on mebaby, not warranted at all that point

On August 28 2023 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is also this Koshi thing that doesnt make any sense...

On August 28 2023 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
problem is TTT looks fucking insta red at this point and i dont really think they are mafia together...

On August 28 2023 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

no, vivax is town,

On August 28 2023 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i have to sleep before work.
VE/LS/TTT/DP.

For now i think it doesnt get harder than that.

On August 28 2023 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kill me mafia or i will vote VE all D2.

On August 29 2023 03:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I want to lynch VE and TTT and because VE wanted to lynch mathenalin i dont care about him.

On August 29 2023 12:16 iamperfection wrote:

you said we have to hate Marv now how did you come to that conclusion.

On August 29 2023 12:32 iamperfection wrote:

its a wifom mind bomb. Probably should be a policy lynch but we should try to have a productive day anyways.

On August 29 2023 14:16 DarthPunk wrote:


What’s naughty about it?

Anyway we really need to solve things this phase btw.

The Rayn nk is interesting maybe dodging medic

On August 29 2023 15:33 DarthPunk wrote:


His top read was on VE who just flipped town.

On August 29 2023 18:18 DarthPunk wrote:


I guy you voting with math on LS you don’t think he is mafia?

On August 29 2023 21:44 marvellosity wrote:

To my earlier point about Jakey. Looks fairly self-referential for how he’s played. Lots of chummy/matey/weirdness, but it looks calculated

On August 29 2023 22:15 Koshi wrote:

@jacob did you read this?

On August 30 2023 06:57 DarthPunk wrote:
Marv are you worried about the ls and ttt both town scenario at all?

On August 30 2023 07:10 Vivax wrote:
I don't fancy myself a marv pro reader but I just feel truth from his posts, can't explain it.

On August 30 2023 07:18 Vivax wrote:


Kinda lazy rn, I filtered Koshi a bit before work and he reads like a cheeky lil scummer that reminded me of my last scum debut.

Similarly, plenty of hidden jokes but you'd only get them rereading after a flip.

On August 30 2023 09:27 iamperfection wrote:
the more i read mathenalin vote post the more i want to lynch him. It's bothered me the second he posted it.

On August 30 2023 09:54 iamperfection wrote:

you didnt vote in the thread

On August 30 2023 12:02 DarthPunk wrote:


Why are you saying this jake?

On August 30 2023 12:36 iamperfection wrote:
i do play basketball on Wednesday nights should be home in time for lynch though.

Non voters need to get their shit together.

On August 30 2023 17:45 marvellosity wrote:
I really don’t understand why anyone is suddenly sure TTT is town. Someone explain to me like I’m a toddler please.

On August 30 2023 19:23 marvellosity wrote:

What’s to be confused about? Was pretty clear I was reconsidering given new events. There was no sneaking, why are you trying to portray it as such?

On August 30 2023 22:02 marvellosity wrote:

2/3 ain’t bad

On August 30 2023 22:15 JacobStrangelove wrote:


Look ngl it does look like I could be them. But I'm thinking if we don't vote them and end up voting out town it sucks but then we've basically caught the scum team. If we do vote them out and based on voting patterns they aren't scum we're truly fucked where anyone could be scum between koshi math dp you, maybe some of them still ya know?

On August 30 2023 22:18 marvellosity wrote:

So your proposition, in black and white, is vote math for info?

On August 31 2023 07:04 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Despite dp voting for him he thinks he's town and despite me arguing against lynching him he thinks I'm null. Hmmm

On August 31 2023 07:30 LightningStrike wrote:
It's not you defending me per say but you flip flopping a lot that making it hard for me to see if your town or mafia.

On August 31 2023 08:52 die_meatbaby wrote:


Dp/Koshi/?
would be an interesting wagon I never thought until now.

On August 31 2023 10:01 Vivax wrote:


LS could have tried to push for a Koshi wagon for example with support from DP and even others but right now it might as well be a competition about two mafia on who dies first. Which it kinda looks like.

On August 31 2023 10:07 Vivax wrote:


The only one who I think could be mafia playing tug-o-war well today is iamperfection but he's a claimed vig so scratch that.

And Koshi. As mafia he knows he can't have DP around when DP is town and also after the rayn kill so he has to go full frontal.

On August 31 2023 10:46 die_meatbaby wrote:


Vivax had forbidden me to say mean things to players, so I can't answer you the question. Sorry

On August 31 2023 10:45 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyone willing to swap?

On August 31 2023 10:52 DarthPunk wrote:

I don’t like making it a tied vote. Cause maf can fuck with that.

On August 31 2023 11:03 DarthPunk wrote:


Like you just now in the vote thread 🤯

On August 31 2023 11:07 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Mafia would have wanted to keep roleblocker.

On August 31 2023 11:13 iamperfection wrote:

no chance there is 2 mafia on it right unless this is a huge fuck up?

On August 31 2023 11:30 iamperfection wrote:
maybe marv is right about TTT and its koshi and TTT. Possibly swap jake in outside shot at vivax but not likely i think but possible.

On August 31 2023 12:00 iamperfection wrote:

if koshi were scum with dp he would have voted for math when he dropped his case i think.

On August 31 2023 12:10 iamperfection wrote:
oh i see what your saying

On August 31 2023 11:06 iamperfection wrote:
so marv has to be town i think

On August 31 2023 06:11 LightningStrike wrote:

DP: Town his fights was pushing the game forward and is actively trying to work with everyone.
math: Mafia I already said why towards Koshi.
Vivax: Can't tell if he changed his meta to posting more as mafia or his skill did decrease regarding his ability to read me because I feel like town Vivax would still try to figure the game out now. Null
Marv: Likely mafia he would not get my alignment wrong if he was town.
DMB: My 3rd biggest townread her reaction to Iamp's claim cements her being town I will argue with whoever thinks she is mafia.
Koshi: Likely mafia his case on DP was very horrendous for the amount of effort he put into it plus he been extra lazy for his own standards.
Iamp: unCCed Vig and had no reason to claim vig if he was mafia. Biggest townread.
TTT: Second biggest townread felt like he been more insightful this game compared to his last scum game plus his stuff towards DP seems very genuine.
JSL: Idk what to think of him but his posting been very all over the place idk if it's confused town or mafia trying to create chaos. Null.

On September 01 2023 09:02 TankTopTiger wrote:
You think town will lynch them without the other's consent? Strong disagree.

I don't think you realise how dependent on try-hards the town economy is.

On September 01 2023 09:10 DarthPunk wrote:
We need to lynch Koshi BTW,


100% scum.

On September 01 2023 10:50 DarthPunk wrote:


which post was this?

On September 01 2023 10:52 DarthPunk wrote:


That post was 4 days ago?

And you had nothing to do with Copcake, why would she be a character in your story? when some people in the game have not been previously?

On September 01 2023 11:07 DarthPunk wrote:
DMB implicates vivax and TTT on a surface level.

Could also implicate myself Marv and Perfection (why are they alive? reasons)

that could also be what mafia think so WIFOM.

Probably a safe shot around medic protection and a confirmed townie in most peoples eyes.

actually a clever shot so someone who knows what they are doing I think.

On September 01 2023 08:14 TankTopTiger wrote:
I've had a change of heart.

If I were medic, I'd flip a coin between Marv and DP. IMO Lamp is a bad save despite his insistence. Him trying to suck up the medic action is either pure mafioso or pure self-involvement (probably the latter judging from everyone's non-reaction to him).

IMO, town is winning assuming DP and Marv are town. I think if they're both mafia, town is too boot-licker or too disengaged to take either down with the other one backing them up. And if one of them is mafia, I don't think the other one allows themselves to be pocketed (or if they do, I'm blaming the game loss squarely on them PPP). If Rayne were around this math wouldn't work but his gameplan seems to be to get NKed every game lmao.

So I think the only course is to assume (and hope) they are both town and move on from there. If this is the case, having them both this late into the game would be a big win. Last night I was trying to reduce the chance of their NK (I do think they're acting odd together, but not enough to base my whole worldview on it). This morning, I reconsidered this line because I don't think mafia care too much who I suspect given my small influence and disengagement.

So I think we make it so that mafia can't confidently kill off these two players without risking their entire NK action.

On September 01 2023 11:11 iamperfection wrote:

it would depend lol

On September 01 2023 11:12 iamperfection wrote:
would be funny if jacob is mafia because then he be basically arguing NO I AM AN IDIOT.

On September 01 2023 11:17 DarthPunk wrote:


Marv said likely scum

On September 01 2023 11:42 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I'm also pissed because I saved a bit for next days sexy post with die baby in it. Might have to rework it into a flashback

On September 01 2023 11:46 iamperfection wrote:

im talking about ttt

On September 01 2023 15:02 TankTopTiger wrote:e between games.

Secondly and building off that, Jacob is never wrong. Never wrong wrong anyway. Jacob always always always hedges every bet to the extent he's got every base covered. When you add up all of the things he says they're supposed to add up to nothing by design. He's never very right but he's never wrong. He's so open-minded one must assume ample gyri or his brain would slip out his ear. For him to be judgemental about the DMB NK doesn't make sense because Jacob is just too chill for that.

Jacob tell me you're not too chill for that?

But this sort of thing does make sense to me for a jacob who just took a shot at DMB being blue, thinking it'll look stupid if he's wrong and then finding that to be the case. I don't really see why else he would end up talking about it because he's too nice by default to just randomly start sledging. At his core Jacob desparately wants everyone to get along. It's not like him to shit on DMB and the scum team simultaneously unless he feels pressured toward that sort of behaviour.

On September 01 2023 15:39 TankTopTiger wrote:
Oh and unrelated but still gonna say because triggered out my mind.

Lamp, I've been really upfront about my lack of contribution. I haven't pretended at all. I told everyone I'm not trying hard, I'm not F5ing, I'm not filtering. Nothing about my tone suggests I think I'm particularly useful. There is no pretending here.

You are the one pretending, and that's been my issue with you the entire time. I just tried to get you NKed and even though you're "confirmed town" they thought NKing the AFK was a better use of their time. Despite you awarding yourself PotG, it doesn't seem like maf are too worried about you lol?

"No pleeeasse medic me for having vigged a lurker N1 I'm super important" lmao

On September 01 2023 16:10 Koshi wrote:
Last team
iamp/DP

Gl hf

##Vote Koshi

On September 01 2023 16:28 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hmm in that case I think personally I would vote TTT but I'll sheep my three town I guess 4 town reads. Whoever most of town votes for

Iperf marv, vivax, maybe math I'll vote for.

On September 01 2023 17:10 marvellosity wrote:
Jakey why are feeling burnt out?

On September 01 2023 17:51 marvellosity wrote:

I agree with TTT in that this is an out of character post given the rest of his posting

On September 01 2023 17:09 TankTopTiger wrote:
And Jakey no your style is to post quickly and without inhibition. You wouldn't post the way you do as town if you thought you couldn't replicate it as red. This is full BS.

On September 01 2023 18:11 TankTopTiger wrote:
Oh so it's the DP thing. I guess you're the one I've entrusted with him so I'll give you a splurge.

It's a lot of personal stuff that isn't really verifiable and tbh I'd have to go back and reread the initial incident to give exact details anyway. The main thing when he was drilling me was the complete lack of hesitation. In Endurance II I was town and he wanted to lynch me but was tearing himself apart over it so bad I felt like scum. I didn't really have any reads beyond CC iirc (I don't remember the exact point), and he felt that it was unlike me not to have contributed much (same tune as this game). But he was so anxious about being the person that led a mislynch he couldn't do it. He also did similar things to other players, not just me. He was a mess, and I leaned into it as town to survive, much like I eventually did this game. But this game, it was more forced because I put him in an awkward position when I flipped because then all the personal shit I said, the references to personal conversations etc., they came from a confirmed town. So to me, him eventually giving me some charity was something I had to twist his arm to do if he wanted to not be shot to shit after I went down.

One example of a conversation he conveniently forgot in order to suspect me, was one where I had corrected his misremembering of Endurance II. He thought that I'd been pretty solid the whole way through, but in fact, I was almost dying the entire time and only survived one lynch because someone (I believe Slam) forgot to vote. DP acknowledged he'd misremembered it, but then completely erased this from his memory in order to bludgeon me with "you should have contributed by now". So both DMB and DP feel I should do better because of E1, and sort of ignored E2, but DP should know better because I know I've already told him.

More recently, when he described how I set myself parameters, this felt placatory, like I was being Forer'd. I do happen to agree somewhat with the assessment overall, but it wasn't specific enough and didn't really feel like it was an alignment indicative read. He said as scum I'd sacrifice win percent in order to win the way I want. This is true, but I do that as town too. Hell rn I'm not filter diving and I'm flaming idiots. These parametres arose as town organically as a way to keep myself posting. But I go into every game with some idea of how I want to play before I read my role.

So he felt too eager to lynch me early, and too eager to forgive me later. I expect myself to be pretty biased given I was attacked by someone I feel should have every reason not to (team straya has done real well for ourselves these last two games by finding a way to verify and trust each other), so take it with a pinch of salt. I don't trust myself to be objective about it so I'm comparmentalising to a pathological degree.