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On August 30 2023 20:27 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2023 20:26 Koshi wrote:On August 30 2023 20:22 DarthPunk wrote:On August 30 2023 18:49 Koshi wrote:
marv or iamp I will be filtering DP in 30 mins. If you are here for feedback that would be nice.
I know he is mafia and will prove it but too many people asking questions at work to do it during hours. Like in this post he is saying what he is doing. scum say: I am going to filter dp in 30 mins and I can prove he is mafias A townie would say: I have been reading dps filter to figure him out and I can prove he is mafia for x reason. Then his case drops and it literally is koshi just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks, Hardly proving anything. This is why I know koshi is mafia. He isn’t following the evidence and making decisions. He made a decision (at the start of the game btw) and is trying to find or manufacture evidence Scum scum scum. Wrong. I have read your filter after TTT came back and looked townie. He scumreads you and I scumread you. I thought there is a good chance you are mafia. So I said what I said. Not wrong. this is exactly why you are mafia lol.
Ah ok. The exact reason I am mafia keeps shifting. Perfect.
First: A townie Koshi would read your filter and say he can prove you are mafia for x reason. This mafia Koshi didn't read shit and just wants to lynch me.
I say: I read your filter after TTT came back and put my suspicion back on you instead of TTT (for w.e reason I couldn't decide who was the mafia out of you 2 but since that TTT post it clicked)
Second: Koshi is exactly mafia for what I said what a townie would do
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Part 2 of the DP case will be about DP his read on Chez & Math on D1. And how he ignored VE the entire time.
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On August 31 2023 00:03 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2023 20:37 Koshi wrote:
Part 2 of the DP case will be about DP his read on Chez & Math on D1. And how he ignored VE the entire time. What happened to part 2 ?
Part 2 - 5 coming when I get to my computer. Probably after kids are asleep.
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2) Math, Chez and VE.
We are currently on page 4 of DP his filter and except for shitfighting with Vivax and me he hasn't done shit. So after rayn, marv, iamp and Koshi talk about VE and vote VE. DP comes in the thread and starts with saying he doesn't want to lynch VE but wants to lynch math.
You are all free to look yourself and look for posts of DP looking into Math but you won't find any except these:
On August 28 2023 08:43 DarthPunk wrote:Catch up post: Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 03:27 mathenalin wrote:
Am i a snowflake if i vote VE or is his vote on me so unbelievably bad that its warranted
This post is sus as fuck. Why is he checking the temperature of the thread before he votes? Like if you are town you know this motherfucker is wrong about you and trying to kill you. The self awareness of how he is being perceived in the thread strikes me. Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 03:36 mathenalin wrote:On August 28 2023 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 28 2023 03:25 mathenalin wrote:On August 28 2023 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
mathenalin, around 10 hours ago you said you were prioritizing getting a read on iamp and Jacob. I see you formed a read on iamp but there is no mention in your filter about Jacob (even after you talked with DP about your reads -- so it doesn't fall under "if anyone has questions for me" anymore i guess).
Did you ever form a read on Jacob? I'd say i don't like him but i cant point to anything as, thats scum behaviour. His point about dp following rules and iamp being "on point" was silly. His vote on marv being anything other than a joke. Then talking about voting chez but immediately calling it a "pressure" vote which instantly makes it lose power.I'd lynch him and not lose sleep but i cant form a slam dunk case. I find it quite weird you treat this as anti-town behavior for some reasons: 1) Every vote particularly during D1 is "pressure", since noone has a good clue who is mafia (especially seems to be true this game since nobody really seems to have a even remotely good case they trust. 2) You said yourself, before voting for Chezinu, at twice, that pressure on Chezinu is good and should be kept up. Why did you say that while simultaneously claiming if you announce pressure it loses power over the target? Well i tried to pretend I had a reason Hate this, town doesn't do this.
On August 28 2023 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:
Don't want to Lynch VE.
I do want to lynch MATHENALIN.
I could compromise onto Chezinu but I don't have a good grasp on his alignment so it would be tossing a coin and for future thread health.
##Vote: Mathenalin
the next post after voting math we get this:
On August 28 2023 08:47 DarthPunk wrote:
I'll lynch chezinu over VE, but can you read my posts about math, read his filter and get back to me.
I will come back to this but first all mentions about math in DP filter page 4-5-6-7:
On August 28 2023 09:08 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 09:08 Vivax wrote:On August 28 2023 09:01 iamperfection wrote:On August 28 2023 09:01 Chezinu wrote:
Ah the demons are out I see. your the only demon i see right now Amen Banish the creature. Idk why DP is so un-okay with this option maybe we‘re disposing of one of his horned minions I literally said I was ok with it, I just think Math is scum.
On August 28 2023 09:39 DarthPunk wrote:
Meh there is something there with Math, but I can't exactly find what it is..
I BUT ALSO DP WANTS YOU TO DOUBLE CHECK WHAT I WRITE. GO LOOK INTO 80 POSTS OF DP FOR MENTIONS OF MATH. You will only find the above and this:
spoiler cuz holy fuck:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 28 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 09:27 die_meatbaby wrote:On August 28 2023 09:26 DarthPunk wrote:On August 28 2023 09:25 TankTopTiger wrote:
Can I ask why a town Chez would say that?
vanilla town Chez: Oh no I'm dying
vanilla town Chez: Better make sure the blue role dies too What the fuck are you on about? same thoughts... Who would you lynch out of VE, Math and Chezinu? Cause we need to consolidate onto a wagon right now. On August 28 2023 09:47 DarthPunk wrote:
are you around TTT did you finish filter diving Math? On August 28 2023 10:25 DarthPunk wrote:
TTT hows that Mathenalin filter dive coming along On August 28 2023 10:26 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 10:25 TankTopTiger wrote:
If you're standing by everything you've said in this exchange, I don't see a way for a green DP to keep that all in his head at once. Still won't vote for you D1, as I think that only takes votes off Chez and does not put any meaningful votes on you.
But yeah I'm pretty sure you're mafia if you're claiming to actually believe this stuff. Why am i mafia for thinking that? Why won't you post about mathenalin after saying you would filter dive him hours ago. On August 28 2023 10:57 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 10:57 Chezinu wrote:
That or Vivax is having a mental breakdown Do you still think Mathenalin is red? On August 28 2023 11:18 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 11:16 iamperfection wrote:On August 28 2023 10:40 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 28 2023 08:47 DarthPunk wrote:
I'll lynch chezinu over VE, but can you read my posts about math, read his filter and get back to me. *tentative fistbump*? what do you think of this DP. Mission accomplished that he isnt getting lynched then fucks off? I think he was at work, and not able to post that much. TBH he isn't looking great still, but I'd rather lynch math and TTT at this point. On August 28 2023 11:25 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 11:23 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I honestly don't get the math and ttt reads tbh. Can you spell out the cases in one place for clarity? Read my big post. but yeah I will summarise later. I am supposed to be working after all. Something to consider: 2 townies on the Math wagon, the lack of traction there is interesting to me.
Ok. So in 80 posts aka 4 pages we only got 2 reasons:
1) math checked the temperature before voting
2) math said he pretended to have a reason. But if you read the conversation with rayn it is not that he caught pretending to have a reason but that he pressured with pretending to have a reason. So I am not sure what DP is saying that townies don't do that. DP most likely just read "pretend" and went with it.
Now asks yourself. Is this good enough for DP to not follow marv; rayn, iamp; koshi into VE? Maybe yes because he townreads VE for reasons given in his big catch up post which I am too stupid for to understand but you can go and figure it out.
But are there other targets that DP should have voted instead of math?
On August 28 2023 08:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Catch up post:
I have some issues with TTT this game I think.
Generally I would expect Mafia!TTT to still have good points, to seem coherent and logical and to ask questions that are reasonable and pertinent.
The difference is that as Mafia they fail to lead to anything productive or execute a scumhunting agenda.
In endures 1 and 2 TTT was clearly pushing a scumhunting agenda, and in these past two starts I haven't seen that from him really at all.
I think the attempted trap on Vivax was something I saw him use on marv in Endures 1 so that is a potential town trait.
I also think he would have improved his play from feedback from last game, so yeah, not green on TTT which is not really something I enjoy.
On August 28 2023 09:28 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 09:24 die_meatbaby wrote:
I suspect too many players at the moment and have only one townread (Koshi)
IMP has a strange way of playing/writing. Before I vote you I have to read through old games of yours.
Vivax behaves exactly the same as in the very first game when he was dr. Maybe I am colorblind, but maybe not
My grandma told me once i should never vote on somebody with a nicename Chez otherwise a ghost comes to haunt you in every game in PC.
#vote TTT
To be honest, I can't describe it.
It's just missing. It miss the ambition you have to find the wolf. It miss the discussions when you focus on a player and put him under pressure. There is just so much missing.
It feels like a different person is playing in this game. I can't help but see you on the Red team. This is basically how I feel about TTT at this point as well
On August 28 2023 10:02 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 09:59 TankTopTiger wrote:Mmmm you first. @DP
Name one game in the last five years in which I was confirmed town at this point in the game? You're being a bozo. I literally talked to you about this between games, that you think I'm somehow confirmed town D1, but I wasn't present D1 in endurance I, and in endurance II I basically sheeped you D1. Where does this "strong independent confirmed town D1" TTT myth come from? I've made it pretty clear I don't like D1 because it's a low information environment and so most of this is just a dance with no real conviction. I hate this so much from you. I'm pretty sure the last time I describe D1 to you it was that "it's cancer". You just don't make sense to me. There isn't a coherent worldview there when I know I've talked to you about this stuff. I don't care about what other people think about you day one or what you think of your self, I know that, to me, I generally don't want to lynch you and shield you from others even because I can see reasons that you are town. The past two games (this and the aborted version) I haven't seen that. There is no reason to protect you, or even not lynch you at this point.
On August 28 2023 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 10:45 TankTopTiger wrote:On August 28 2023 10:40 die_meatbaby wrote:On August 28 2023 10:25 TankTopTiger wrote:
If you're standing by everything you've said in this exchange, I don't see a way for a green DP to keep that all in his head at once. Still won't vote for you D1, as I think that only takes votes off Chez and does not put any meaningful votes on you.
But yeah I'm pretty sure you're mafia if you're claiming to actually believe this stuff. This is what I meant. This is what makes you red. Town TTT would not do that. Town TTT would ignore this und would try to get everybody to go the his original suspect and don´t just suspect somebody who was suspecting him. This is definitely not a Town game you make here. Thats not TTT what i am used do DMB, everyone is already on my lynch. There is no need to refocus town because unless something changes, I get my way. Regarding the OMGUS, yes it is in a way, but it's not just that. Town DP doesn't do this. DP respects my late game after Endures I, he made up my aptitude in early game. Town DP does not think that "D1 is when you first post". Town DP does not give up town equity on a scaler over them not having proven themselves early in the game. You'll note I'm not filtering DP rn. I'm not making a huge war. I'm in a back and forth because I want to get him to take hard stances that he can't take back later if/when I actually go after him. You don;t really understand what I said about you do you. I am not saying you play well day 1 or at the start of games. I am saying that usually, within 24-48 hours of you being in a game, there are reasons for me to feel you could be town. usually because you are posting logical and insightful questions or arguments that resonate with my view of the game. This is why we are usually on the same page. But this game is absent of that, and your posts, while logical are lacking insight, and do not resonate with me. I agree to others you look weak when you start posting, but not to me which is what matters to me. Also I am not giving up town equity here even if you are town somehow. So not sure what you are actually saying here again. See this is another example of what you are saying is logically right, but meaningfully absent.
This is bottom page 6.
So I ask again. Should DP be on mathelin or TTT?
He ended up on math over TTT over VE.
Why?
Mafia!DP knew VE and Chez would flip town and was preparing misslynch number 3. That's why.
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On August 31 2023 03:40 iamperfection wrote:
Hopefully this is one of the rare instances where a sequel is better then the original
Very funny.
I am realising I am quite terrible and slow at writing cases but if you see the big picture in the end it will be glorious.
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Part 3. The LS vote:
I wanted part 3 to be cronological and be about how DP talked to rayn during the night and how DP was mafia in rayn his team of 4. BUT I think this is a better fit.
On August 30 2023 23:12 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
LightningStrike (5): JacobStrangelove, mathenalin, Koshi, Vivax, Vivax, DarthPunk, marvellosity
mathenalin (2): JacobStranglelove, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, DarthPunk
DarthPunk (1): TankTopTiger
TankTopTiger (0): marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Vivax
Not Voting (2): LightningStrike, die_meatbaby
With 5 votes, LightningStrike is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Thursday, Aug 31 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
So I have very very carefully read DP filter up to page 8 and I can tell you there is little about LS. You can check this yurself because I can't believe it and it is hard to filter on 'LS' but I found this:
On August 27 2023 10:42 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2023 21:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
oh look iamp was skilled enough to fake that town tell.
:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
So this game. I think everyone who's posted is town. I want to lynch whoever hasn't posted starting.....now.
ezD1 This post (and his subsequent posts) make me not like VE. I feel like creating arbitrary pools of lynch candidates actually just means he doesn;t have to play the game, the start of last game he was actually playing and had productive posts immediately. IIRC in Endures 1 he was pretty keen to lynch lurkers too. LS looking better to me this game. Show nested quote +On August 27 2023 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:I was gonna speedread in my 10mins, butthere was nothing to read.  Is LS mafia now as he looks more town to me than last game lol? Iamp probs town here.
On August 27 2023 21:35 DarthPunk wrote:
who you want to lynch right now LS?
So if somebody can tell me how to look with capital only letters in Chrome let me know.
Anyway. I have read many posts of DP and LS is not existant.
On the other hand. In his biggest scumread Math his filter LS is constantly mentioned.
So what happens right before he leaves and will not be able to come back till deadline?
He votes LS.
Why?
Because marv voted LS.
Is that consistent?
No, because marv voted VE and did DP vote VE?
No, DP voted Math. Who also voted LS and has been pushing LS.
So does this make sense?
No
Koshi, can you make this make sense?
Yes, LS is mafia and mafia!DP wants kred if his buddy flips.
Really Koshi?
Yes really, did you also see that DP said he couldn't come back. But then also said he might be able to come back in a later post?
Yes, go on Koshi.
Well that is because DP wants to swap his vote from his scumbuddy!LS if necessairy/possible.
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On August 31 2023 04:12 iamperfection wrote:
Who are his teammates if you had to guess
please read part 3
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On August 31 2023 04:20 iamperfection wrote:
And if ls is town?
I am living in a world in which LS & DP are mafia.
If LS is town, DP and marv are mafia.
So common idea is. DP is mafia.
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common is probably the wrong word. But you get it.
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Do you really want to theorycraft a world in which DP and marv are mafia?
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That is a very scary world.
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Misslynches would be LS, TTT and math.
And in that world I see Jason be mafia number 3.
He lied about me to push rayn kill onto me. Never forget.
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I am not even a misslynch in that world 
Which is my main wincon for this game.
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Oh wait. No I can still be lynched. Just need to make a big towncase on TTT.
I think I can do it.
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Part 4) rayn
On August 28 2023 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i have to sleep before work.
VE/LS/TTT/DP.
For now i think it doesnt get harder than that.
Yes I am getting tired
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I am going to quit and continue with this case tomorrow.
That was a small teaser on why rayn was killed.
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On August 31 2023 04:38 iamperfection wrote:
Your rayn argument is very weak considering his top scum was ve and he said he wasn't considering math because of ve.
The core of my rayn argument is that rayn pressured DP during the night ans then rayn died. Who else except VE did rayn pressure?
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On August 31 2023 04:44 iamperfection wrote:
I mean we can speculate all we want it's pretty much impossible to know exactly what they were thinking. Maybe they just killed him because he's a good player.
Yes. Or because DP is mafia and felt threatened. Or both.
It's part 4 of a case. Nothing alone makes DP 100% mafia. Nothing ever will do that.
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