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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2023 10:10 GMT
#1216
On August 29 2023 14:16 DarthPunk wrote:
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On August 29 2023 13:50 iamperfection wrote:
On August 29 2023 13:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 29 2023 13:15 iamperfection wrote:
On August 29 2023 12:56 iamperfection wrote:
why didnt you consider a mafia vig. You can confess your sins to me

im going to bed but im not forgetting this DP.


Didn’t remember about mafia vig not a role I have played with a lot, or is that likely in a 10+3 setup

Also

Why would you do that as mafia? lol

Naughty boy. Let's see what the others say


What’s naughty about it?

lol

lol

lol
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2023 10:12 GMT
#1217
On August 29 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
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On August 29 2023 12:32 iamperfection wrote:
On August 29 2023 11:54 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Okay you know what bold move I know. I'm not even under attack yet but I'm going to claim Vanilla Town. Because here's the thing. It's not giving any info to mafia well maybe slightly but not enough to matter and IF this means they don't kill me next and hit a blue that's not Iamperf it'll mean IF there is another blue they'll suddely realise Iamperf is lying. If not it's still low chance of them hitting blue knowing I'm not blue if I'm perf is blue as there's likely only one left.

Also this ups my chance of surviving to day three where I thrive as town by claiming stupid early not blue it takes away options if I was a mafia which isn't something a mafia would want to do certainly not someone who "as mafia" would want to wait til late game to counter claim a blue if I was mafia.

With this though I'm suggesting other town don't claim town over blue though because at that point we would be giving mafia too much information.






DP Marv and Koshi i would like your thoughts on this.


Intial impression:

Dumb.

1st level down: Townish because he has the conspiratorial 'the mafia are after me and im gonna be NK' thing going on, completely lacking the self awareness to understand he is never getting shot and in all likilihood will be facing down a lylo with fucking LS and Math at this rate.

2nd level down: I am worried he is shit posting as mafia and getting away with it.

wow this was a brainshock
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2023 10:15 GMT
#1219
On August 29 2023 19:12 Koshi wrote:
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On August 29 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 29 2023 12:32 iamperfection wrote:
On August 29 2023 11:54 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Okay you know what bold move I know. I'm not even under attack yet but I'm going to claim Vanilla Town. Because here's the thing. It's not giving any info to mafia well maybe slightly but not enough to matter and IF this means they don't kill me next and hit a blue that's not Iamperf it'll mean IF there is another blue they'll suddely realise Iamperf is lying. If not it's still low chance of them hitting blue knowing I'm not blue if I'm perf is blue as there's likely only one left.

Also this ups my chance of surviving to day three where I thrive as town by claiming stupid early not blue it takes away options if I was a mafia which isn't something a mafia would want to do certainly not someone who "as mafia" would want to wait til late game to counter claim a blue if I was mafia.

With this though I'm suggesting other town don't claim town over blue though because at that point we would be giving mafia too much information.






DP Marv and Koshi i would like your thoughts on this.


Intial impression:

Dumb.

1st level down: Townish because he has the conspiratorial 'the mafia are after me and im gonna be NK' thing going on, completely lacking the self awareness to understand he is never getting shot and in all likilihood will be facing down a lylo with fucking LS and Math at this rate.

2nd level down: I am worried he is shit posting as mafia and getting away with it.

wow this was a brainshock

(because I misread that initial post)
I thought iamp quoted the same post twice and he asked about the jacob thing on TTT.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2023 10:28 GMT
#1232
On August 29 2023 19:22 DarthPunk wrote:
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On August 29 2023 19:03 Koshi wrote:
On August 29 2023 12:54 iamperfection wrote:
On August 29 2023 12:53 iamperfection wrote:
interesting that DP considered me confirmed town. He didn't even consider a mafia vig.......

marv and koshi thoughts on this plz.

People who considered a mafia vig longer than a minisecond should be lynched. That's the dumbest shit possible. And also. The problem solves itselve most likely.


So do you want to lynch meat baby for it??

She didn't think he was mafia vig.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2023 10:33 GMT
#1238
On August 29 2023 19:30 Vivax wrote:
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On August 29 2023 19:16 marvellosity wrote:
On August 29 2023 11:36 Vivax wrote:
On August 29 2023 11:34 iamperfection wrote:
On August 29 2023 11:28 Vivax wrote:
On August 27 2023 05:09 Koshi wrote:
On August 27 2023 05:06 mathenalin wrote:
On August 27 2023 05:04 Koshi wrote:
On August 26 2023 13:57 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On August 26 2023 13:38 iamperfection wrote:
we go from skirting the rules punk to boy scout punk.


Just anecdotally you seem more on point with these calls this game. Could be a well we just lost a game due to this result punk tho so I'll not say it means anything about him more you though.

I like you better this game.

Hmmmm on point is not the word I would use. Maybe confrontational. It's different not sure better. Pressuring Chez is 100% pointless.


Do you have a way of reading him?

No. Each day just start your vote on Chez and only remove it if you find mafia.


Reread this after the flip.

what am i rereading ?


He knew that Chez was town

Don’t be ridiculous


The wording suggests real knowledge of his alignment. It‘s easy to have that leak out during a joke.

But it‘s also 50/50 that it’s a correct reason. So I‘m dropping it.

At the very least he should have been considering that Chez could turn out mafia.

Is this true? What Vivax is saying.
Is that how you guys could even potentially read what I wrote?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2023 10:35 GMT
#1240
On August 29 2023 19:33 Vivax wrote:
Koshi 5 pages of filter is basically a confession

Throw me a bone here so I don’t have to start tunneling you

I am ok with the tunnel tbh.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2023 10:47 GMT
#1253
On August 29 2023 19:39 Vivax wrote:
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On August 29 2023 19:32 marvellosity wrote:
On August 29 2023 19:30 Vivax wrote:
On August 29 2023 19:16 marvellosity wrote:
On August 29 2023 11:36 Vivax wrote:
On August 29 2023 11:34 iamperfection wrote:
On August 29 2023 11:28 Vivax wrote:
On August 27 2023 05:09 Koshi wrote:
On August 27 2023 05:06 mathenalin wrote:
On August 27 2023 05:04 Koshi wrote:
[quote]
Hmmmm on point is not the word I would use. Maybe confrontational. It's different not sure better. Pressuring Chez is 100% pointless.


Do you have a way of reading him?

No. Each day just start your vote on Chez and only remove it if you find mafia.


Reread this after the flip.

what am i rereading ?


He knew that Chez was town

Don’t be ridiculous


The wording suggests real knowledge of his alignment. It‘s easy to have that leak out during a joke.

But it‘s also 50/50 that it’s a correct reason. So I‘m dropping it.

At the very least he should have been considering that Chez could turn out mafia.

There’s nothing to suggest he wasn’t considering Chez might be mafia?


He said you only remove the vote from Chez if you find mafia.
If Chez is a coinflip or a p-lynch, why can‘t he be mafia ?

So the correct assumption would be ‚if you find a better lynch‘ not ‚if you find mafia‘

I know it seems nitpicky

My point was, unless you find mafia don't change your vote.
So the alignment of Chezinu doesnt matter because if you can't find mafia, and Chez is mafia, you lynch mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2023 11:05 GMT
#1265
On August 29 2023 19:52 iamperfection wrote:
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On August 29 2023 19:43 marvellosity wrote:
On August 29 2023 19:41 iamperfection wrote:
On August 29 2023 19:37 marvellosity wrote:
On August 29 2023 19:29 iamperfection wrote:
Who do you want to lynch marv

Into TTT/LS/(Jacob?)

Really, really, really annoying out of game stuff everywhere. LS birthday. TTT giving up? math giving up?

Doesn't 1 give up look more real then the other?

Tell me what you’re thinking

One obviously looks more real how don't you see it.

Because one said he contacted the hosts and will quit playing?? What a question.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2023 13:04 GMT
#1289
On August 29 2023 21:13 JacobStrangelove wrote:
All those who voted ls with me what's your second biggest scum read?

TTT most likely.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2023 13:10 GMT
#1290
On August 29 2023 22:01 marvellosity wrote:
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On August 28 2023 08:21 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hi. I read the thread while in bed and so I'm caught up.

Vote is currently split between VE and Chez, with VE set to go down.

I don't have anyone else I'd prefer to lynch, but I don't think these are great lynches. Feels LAL. Basically, both players are off, but assuming differences in play is due to alignment shift with no underlying mechanistic explanation is dumb. I've seen VE as scum, and it didn't look like this. I'm actually darker on VE now since I last mentioned him, because I think his responses have been nothing at all, but I still don't feel great about it.

I think Chez is a better lynch. VE is playing rubbish as either alignment, but I see this as NAI. Chez however isn't engaged in his shitposting and that seems like a red flag to me. He's offered zero insight and has been half-hearted in his provocation. He hasn't bargained or given cryptic clues about the game state. He also hasn't adapted to the ban on his seal. I believe last time he started using filters or something? Normally, he is galvanised by a sadistic need to lure people into his cryptic BS. This game, it feels like he's playing solitaire for show and doesn't actually want us to come and play.

This has been quoted by multiple people as a very suspicious post back on day 1. Looks even worse given the two flips. Very TMI. Can we not let him get away with the afk give up post?

I agree but TTT might be modkilled EoD. So 2 for 1 is better.

Can there be clarity about the replacement/modkill? You can ignore this if there is no answer.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2023 13:13 GMT
#1291
On August 29 2023 21:51 JacobStrangelove wrote:
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On August 29 2023 21:44 marvellosity wrote:
On August 27 2023 12:15 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah I have autocorrect on constantly keeps wanting dp to become do so that'll pop up at some point.

Might be time to have a softish reset and look for teams as interconnected people is all I'm good at. Found it strange that x was backing up y out of nowhere but forget who the people were going to go read.



On August 27 2023 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well it doesn't make sense to me why you think he first made the vote for being bold (if mafia) and then when questioned, was getting nervous about being questioned? I obviously agree the vote and the reasoning at it's best is dumb, but like... idk. I didn't want to defend him but i don't really think it's scummy.


Oh yeah good point why did you think I was nervous. Just throwing out feelers or legit opinion. Also can't find the afformentioned backing up unless it was ray backing me up...

On August 27 2023 12:06 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yeah but jacob can you be more specific about your read on Chez. Is it just vibes or do you have insight?

I'm not really up to date on DP's stuff. I'm just parsing it now but I'm moving slow.

I think typogate is dumb shit


Typo gate is kinda dumb but feel it's the town kinda dumb it's almost too dumb for mafia intentionality hence my town read.

Vibes initially but backed up by, what would mafia jsl do. Aka if I rolled mafia I would probably lean even more into the troll persona the washy wavey stuff. Also his posted made sense last game despite being cheese styles this game it's... More what I would do tbh. Finding some way to have fun while also seperating ego from it because oh I wasn't trying seriously anyway that kind of behaviour.

To my earlier point about Jakey. Looks fairly self-referential for how he’s played. Lots of chummy/matey/weirdness, but it looks calculated


Yeah I don't quite buy that you believe this actually. But in that instance I could actually see this as a Marv dp with fake disagreements plus someone scum team but I don't want to believe in that reality so I won't yet. I'm still going to believe it's ttt that's mafia and not dp

When did marv and dp have fake disagreements?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2023 13:15 GMT
#1293
On August 29 2023 18:55 Koshi wrote:
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On August 28 2023 17:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like you could technically argue Koshi could be mafia if VE is town (i wouldnt still believe that), but never with VE, since at the time thread progression was VE lynch pushed by marv+rayn+iamp and from those people marv+iamp didnt think mebaby is town, so why make a read the influence doesnt believe and is not supposed to gain you any town points?


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On August 28 2023 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is also this Koshi thing that doesnt make any sense...


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On August 28 2023 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Reasons:
- tried to change the lynch from his town read but not really tried
- missing out on obvious good reasons on VE and doing something else instead
- something else instead was kind of a lackluster, i doubt he actually wanted to do something else instead
- Koshi pointed out smart stuff, DP pointed out stupid stuff on that
- bad read on mebaby, not warranted at all that point


I fucked it up.

The things you point out here are false. Potentially intentionnaly because you also changed the order of the quotes.

First quote he says "I still wont believe koshi is mafia in this scenario" but in theory it is possible.

Second quote he is talking about the DP stuff said against me. "What DP said about Koshi doesn't make sense" and he explains it better in the next quote

Nothing there is rayn pressure on me. Quite the opposite because he townread me because of the DP stuff.

@jacob did you read this?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2023 13:23 GMT
#1295
On August 29 2023 22:18 LightningStrike wrote:
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On August 29 2023 21:09 Vivax wrote:
I have a bunch of issues with this post sequence and what it means for LS' progressions.

(1) : He seems to harbor suspicions for DP but doesn't really spell them out. Initially he even asks Koshi why he's after him.
He thought the fight looked forced, decided DP looked townier, but ignored spelling out an opinion on me that would confirm that he felt it was forced.

(2) He is one of the few who thinks TTT doesn't look scummy. He townread DP but later stated that TTT looked townier for him after having a back and forth with DP. That reads as if he had an expectation that being in a clinch with DP would be a townie thing to do.

(3): He didn't really have a read on VE. But he thought Koshi was obviously mafia and his vote on VE seemed off. But first it seemed off, and afterwards he analyzed the reasons that could make him mafia and concluded nothing.

On August 27 2023 05:34 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 27 2023 05:25 Koshi wrote:
Dp/rayn/marv scumteam

##Vote DP

(1) Why you voting DP? Also isn't it a little to early to form a scumteam?


On August 27 2023 06:24 LightningStrike wrote:
(1)Hopefully DP posts more soon given it's early in the morning where he's at.


On August 27 2023 21:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up after having to unexpectedly getting busy after my last post and DP and Vivax had a fight (1)seemed forced? At least I think DP is town from that fight.

Koshi though seemed underwhelming on my reread: He not exactly pushing his own thoughts per say this game compared to normal if he's town he needs to step it up big time. Also Chez not using his own rule right now is pretty suspicious considering he loved talking about in the past how he applies it.


On August 27 2023 21:33 LightningStrike wrote:
(2) Also side note TTT seemed more insightful this time around compared to Part 1 where he was mafia so likely town for the time being.


On August 27 2023 21:39 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 27 2023 21:35 DarthPunk wrote:
who you want to lynch right now LS?

Chez and Koshi obviously.


On August 28 2023 08:54 LightningStrike wrote:
(3) I am back from having to do house work all day and Koshi looks a bit better but his vote on VE seems off? Idk how to feel about Koshi. VE though not being as abrasive as he was when I was mafia with him in Endure's 1 but he wasn't around as much as that game either if I remember how much activity he had that game but his content not exactly that great either. Chez not doing anything after the Chez rule stuff and ninja voting VE ???? Chez most likely is mafia out of the 2 wagons though if I have to pick out of those 2.
##Vote: Chezinu


On August 28 2023 12:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Got out of my TTRPG session and Chez flipped town :| I will admit I should of figured when there was little to no resistance to his lynch when I did my vote >.< (2) TTT is town like I did say earlier and his fight with DP cements it for me. But I am a bit lost though given the flip.


Not a good look either way. I would vote LS.


##Vote: LightningStrike

Regarding the DP and TTT fight: I just thought it was forced idk why it felt that way. Regarding not trying to read VE: When I was mafia with him he admits he can do everything as either alignment in that Mafia QT so I didn't know how to read him. Regarding DP I only asked others about DP only because I was curious where everyone else was at with him because I misread him badly in Endures 2 Day 1 if you remember I legit thought he was mafia there.

DP and TTT was forced or DP and Vivax?
Also. Vivax typing words and not backing down is meta town Vivax right? So why not meta read Vivax but instead give a gutfeel DP read? Feels off for you.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2023 13:27 GMT
#1298
Also Happy Birthday LS!!!!

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I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2023 13:33 GMT
#1301
On August 27 2023 21:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up after having to unexpectedly getting busy after my last post and DP and Vivax had a fight seemed forced? At least I think DP is town from that fight.

I am talking about this.

I read that as DP going off for no reason at all and Vivax being Vivax.
DP looked like shit and Vivax looked silly but showed activity so meta wise he was more likely town.

So can you talk me through why you thought Vivax was neutral and DP townish. And why that is if it is a forced conversation, because then Vivax would be redish because he is faking activity.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2023 13:36 GMT
#1302
On August 29 2023 21:15 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2023 21:09 Vivax wrote:
I have a bunch of issues with this post sequence and what it means for LS' progressions.

(1) : He seems to harbor suspicions for DP but doesn't really spell them out. Initially he even asks Koshi why he's after him.
He thought the fight looked forced, decided DP looked townier, but ignored spelling out an opinion on me that would confirm that he felt it was forced.

(2) He is one of the few who thinks TTT doesn't look scummy. He townread DP but later stated that TTT looked townier for him after having a back and forth with DP. That reads as if he had an expectation that being in a clinch with DP would be a townie thing to do.

(3): He didn't really have a read on VE. But he thought Koshi was obviously mafia and his vote on VE seemed off. But first it seemed off, and afterwards he analyzed the reasons that could make him mafia and concluded nothing.

On August 27 2023 05:34 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 27 2023 05:25 Koshi wrote:
Dp/rayn/marv scumteam

##Vote DP

(1) Why you voting DP? Also isn't it a little to early to form a scumteam?


On August 27 2023 06:24 LightningStrike wrote:
(1)Hopefully DP posts more soon given it's early in the morning where he's at.


On August 27 2023 21:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up after having to unexpectedly getting busy after my last post and DP and Vivax had a fight (1)seemed forced? At least I think DP is town from that fight.

Koshi though seemed underwhelming on my reread: He not exactly pushing his own thoughts per say this game compared to normal if he's town he needs to step it up big time. Also Chez not using his own rule right now is pretty suspicious considering he loved talking about in the past how he applies it.


On August 27 2023 21:33 LightningStrike wrote:
(2) Also side note TTT seemed more insightful this time around compared to Part 1 where he was mafia so likely town for the time being.


On August 27 2023 21:39 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 27 2023 21:35 DarthPunk wrote:
who you want to lynch right now LS?

Chez and Koshi obviously.


On August 28 2023 08:54 LightningStrike wrote:
(3) I am back from having to do house work all day and Koshi looks a bit better but his vote on VE seems off? Idk how to feel about Koshi. VE though not being as abrasive as he was when I was mafia with him in Endure's 1 but he wasn't around as much as that game either if I remember how much activity he had that game but his content not exactly that great either. Chez not doing anything after the Chez rule stuff and ninja voting VE ???? Chez most likely is mafia out of the 2 wagons though if I have to pick out of those 2.
##Vote: Chezinu


On August 28 2023 12:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Got out of my TTRPG session and Chez flipped town :| I will admit I should of figured when there was little to no resistance to his lynch when I did my vote >.< (2) TTT is town like I did say earlier and his fight with DP cements it for me. But I am a bit lost though given the flip.


Not a good look either way. I would vote LS.


##Vote: LightningStrike

Yes, I agree with this actually. Particularly the DP/TTT fight being forced, except he ends up with 2 townreads out of it

Am I going crazy or is there no mention of a forced DP/TTT fight in LS filter?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2023 13:39 GMT
#1304
On August 29 2023 22:38 iamperfection wrote:
It's right in the quote what do you mean

SHOW ME THE QUOTE
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2023 13:41 GMT
#1309
On August 29 2023 22:40 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2023 22:33 Koshi wrote:
On August 27 2023 21:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up after having to unexpectedly getting busy after my last post and DP and Vivax had a fight seemed forced? At least I think DP is town from that fight.

I am talking about this.

I read that as DP going off for no reason at all and Vivax being Vivax.
DP looked like shit and Vivax looked silly but showed activity so meta wise he was more likely town.

So can you talk me through why you thought Vivax was neutral and DP townish. And why that is if it is a forced conversation, because then Vivax would be redish because he is faking activity.

Oh that fight (I had to reread that entire interaction but that was super early Day 1): Typo gate happened and felt like one of those 2 at the time tried to push it more than necessary. Vivax was more afk as mafia in Endure's 2 and didn't make any like big stand to just back down so easily here he took multiple hardstands and not backing down per say which is why I got him as town by meta.

Dude. You concluded with DP is town and nothing on Vivax.
So can you answer me on how you came to that explanation. Both the DP and Vivax one.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2023 13:44 GMT
#1310

On August 27 2023 21:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up after having to unexpectedly getting busy after my last post and DP and Vivax had a fight (1)seemed forced? At least I think DP is town from that fight.

Koshi though seemed underwhelming on my reread: He not exactly pushing his own thoughts per say this game compared to normal if he's town he needs to step it up big time. Also Chez not using his own rule right now is pretty suspicious considering he loved talking about in the past how he applies it.

That is not a forced DP/TTT fight.

Ok everybody is just dumb apparantly.

RIP rayn.

I miss you.

I wish we had more time together.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2023 14:15 GMT
#1319
On August 29 2023 22:48 iamperfection wrote:
Koshi what do you think of marv

Tiptoptown

For everybody except marv:
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he is doing these little snippets that don't contribute as much as I would like but are his town meta. In the game I cohosted he was the most obvious mafia out of the 3 and I am not feeling that here. So I would say let's wait 1 more lynch and 1 more nk and murder him tomorrow if he is alive.
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