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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
August 27 2023 22:25 GMT
#641
Go to church and steal souls. Seems compatible. But you probably just need a church when you do stuff like that
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 27 2023 22:43 GMT
#642
On August 28 2023 07:03 Vivax wrote:
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On August 28 2023 06:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count

VisceraEyes (4): iamperfection, marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, mathenalin, Koshi
Chezinu (3): JacobStrangelove, mathenalin, mathenalin, Vivax
mathenalin (1): VisceraEyes
DarthPunk (0): Koshi, Vivax
Koshi (0): DarthPunk, Vivax, raynpelikoneet
Iamperfection (0): Vivax
marvellosity (0): JacobStrangelove
Vivax (0): DarthPunk

Not Voting (5): LightningStrike, Chezinu, die_meatbaby,TankTopTiger, DarthPunk

With 4 votes, VisceraEyes is currently set to be lynched!

The deadline is Monday, Aug 28 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in



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Not Voting (5): LightningStrike, Chezinu, die_meatbaby,TankTopTiger, DarthPunk


TTT and DP abstaining sticks out.

VE wagon should be goated judging by the names of it.

I'll stick to the underdog wagon.



We were asleep, I woke up and got to work and I'm catching up now.

My initial thoughts are that I don't want to lynch VE but I got burned so hard from that our last game together that I am probably not going to go ham defending him either.

I would appreciate it if you defend yourself though.

Im going to go read through the thread again properly. I am around to chat about lynches.

I think Chez is a pretty good lynch here actually. Not being able to post a town seal late game removes some of the equity in keeping him around trolling all game.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
August 27 2023 23:21 GMT
#643
Hi. I read the thread while in bed and so I'm caught up.

Vote is currently split between VE and Chez, with VE set to go down.

I don't have anyone else I'd prefer to lynch, but I don't think these are great lynches. Feels LAL. Basically, both players are off, but assuming differences in play is due to alignment shift with no underlying mechanistic explanation is dumb. I've seen VE as scum, and it didn't look like this. I'm actually darker on VE now since I last mentioned him, because I think his responses have been nothing at all, but I still don't feel great about it.

I think Chez is a better lynch. VE is playing rubbish as either alignment, but I see this as NAI. Chez however isn't engaged in his shitposting and that seems like a red flag to me. He's offered zero insight and has been half-hearted in his provocation. He hasn't bargained or given cryptic clues about the game state. He also hasn't adapted to the ban on his seal. I believe last time he started using filters or something? Normally, he is galvanised by a sadistic need to lure people into his cryptic BS. This game, it feels like he's playing solitaire for show and doesn't actually want us to come and play.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 27 2023 23:22 GMT
#644
On August 28 2023 07:17 Vivax wrote:
We need a third wagon from the non voters now.
Ideally on one of the goats of the VE wagon.

That should rile em up

the fuck you mean by this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 27 2023 23:25 GMT
#645
On August 28 2023 08:21 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hi. I read the thread while in bed and so I'm caught up.

Vote is currently split between VE and Chez, with VE set to go down.

I don't have anyone else I'd prefer to lynch, but I don't think these are great lynches. Feels LAL. Basically, both players are off, but assuming differences in play is due to alignment shift with no underlying mechanistic explanation is dumb. I've seen VE as scum, and it didn't look like this. I'm actually darker on VE now since I last mentioned him, because I think his responses have been nothing at all, but I still don't feel great about it.

I think Chez is a better lynch. VE is playing rubbish as either alignment, but I see this as NAI. Chez however isn't engaged in his shitposting and that seems like a red flag to me. He's offered zero insight and has been half-hearted in his provocation. He hasn't bargained or given cryptic clues about the game state. He also hasn't adapted to the ban on his seal. I believe last time he started using filters or something? Normally, he is galvanised by a sadistic need to lure people into his cryptic BS. This game, it feels like he's playing solitaire for show and doesn't actually want us to come and play.

ve basically basically told the town to go fuck themselves so don't see why anyone can say that's not a good lynch.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
August 27 2023 23:26 GMT
#646
To be clear, I think other people's votes are LAL which makes me concerned. My reasons for voting Chez are not.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 27 2023 23:26 GMT
#647
chez did say he would be back though and the clock is ticking
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 27 2023 23:28 GMT
#648
On August 28 2023 06:44 Koshi wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: VisceraEyes

Maybe this sparks some more activity. Maybe useful one this time.

I am out. glhf.
Sleep well all.

this post gives me creeps
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 27 2023 23:32 GMT
#649
are you ninja voting chezinu do you want to play as a jester?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
August 27 2023 23:33 GMT
#650
What's LAL mean again?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
August 27 2023 23:34 GMT
#651
On August 28 2023 08:25 iamperfection wrote:
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On August 28 2023 08:21 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hi. I read the thread while in bed and so I'm caught up.

Vote is currently split between VE and Chez, with VE set to go down.

I don't have anyone else I'd prefer to lynch, but I don't think these are great lynches. Feels LAL. Basically, both players are off, but assuming differences in play is due to alignment shift with no underlying mechanistic explanation is dumb. I've seen VE as scum, and it didn't look like this. I'm actually darker on VE now since I last mentioned him, because I think his responses have been nothing at all, but I still don't feel great about it.

I think Chez is a better lynch. VE is playing rubbish as either alignment, but I see this as NAI. Chez however isn't engaged in his shitposting and that seems like a red flag to me. He's offered zero insight and has been half-hearted in his provocation. He hasn't bargained or given cryptic clues about the game state. He also hasn't adapted to the ban on his seal. I believe last time he started using filters or something? Normally, he is galvanised by a sadistic need to lure people into his cryptic BS. This game, it feels like he's playing solitaire for show and doesn't actually want us to come and play.

ve basically basically told the town to go fuck themselves so don't see why anyone can say that's not a good lynch.



A good lynch in one where you have good reasons for thinking someone is red. I'm not convinced VE has given reasons for why VE is red (time-poor or struggling in terms of well-being maybe). As far as I'm aware, VE is the sort of person who enjoys playing as red, so redepression isn't a tell for VE.

I'll go read his filter to make sure I'm not speaking out my arse, but I just don't see a real case other than lynch the lurker.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
August 27 2023 23:35 GMT
#652
LAL = lynch all lurkers
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 27 2023 23:36 GMT
#653
chezinu if you dont post in here soon after that ninja vote im going to lead everyone to lynch you.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 27 2023 23:40 GMT
#654
ok everyone shut up vote chezinu
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 27 2023 23:43 GMT
#655
Catch up post:


On August 27 2023 22:55 iamperfection wrote:
So my thoughts currently are that DP is likely town. I have less of a town read on Vivax but some of his posts have been so absurd i don't think it can be from a scum so less likely but town.

Rayn has been okish imo and has some similar opinions that i have so i would say green if pressed.

Marv has been somewhat passive so i would have him as dark grey if that makes sense. He has some good comments at points but i would expect that from him from either alignment.

Jacob is grey as well but im leaning more on the green side he seems to have at least intrest in lynching someone at least.

Chez has been useless

Koshi has been useless as well i would be fine with him out.

VE has been extremely useless and i see no posts with intent to try and figure out peoples alignments i think he is likely scum. He has one post where he says chez ill be watching you which comes off as unauthentic to me i would like to lynch him. I would most like to lynch him at the moment.

There are other people in the game too but i don't have opinions yet.

im voting ve


I like this post, particularly the the marv and jacob reads as they align with my own thoughts, as others have mentioned perfection looking good as town this game.

On August 27 2023 23:09 TankTopTiger wrote:
Why VE?

He seems like the kind of player who enjoys playing scum. In Endures I, he blatantly led the mislynch D1 in all caps, reveling all the way. Like I get that he hasn't been active, and has failed to confirm himself town which (for reasons I'm unaware of) is apparently something he does a lot.

But am I wrong to expect him not to cower or coast as red?



I think this is a good point. but I have some issues with TTT this game I think.

Generally I would expect Mafia!TTT to still have good points, to seem coherent and logical and to ask questions that are reasonable and pertinent.

The difference is that as Mafia they fail to lead to anything productive or execute a scumhunting agenda.

In endures 1 and 2 TTT was clearly pushing a scumhunting agenda, and in these past two starts I haven't seen that from him really at all.

I think the attempted trap on Vivax was something I saw him use on marv in Endures 1 so that is a potential town trait.

I also think he would have improved his play from feedback from last game, so yeah, not green on TTT which is not really something I enjoy.

On August 27 2023 23:37 die_meatbaby wrote:
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On August 27 2023 21:41 marvellosity wrote:
On August 27 2023 21:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up after having to unexpectedly getting busy after my last post and DP and Vivax had a fight seemed forced? At least I think DP is town from that fight. Koshi though seemed underwhelming on my reread: He not exactly pushing his own thoughts per say this game compared to normal if he's town he needs to step it up big time. Also Chez not using his own rule right now is pretty suspicious considering he loved talking about in the past how he applies it.

If the fight is forced between DP and Vivax but you’re not scumreading either, what’s the angle?


I think this town against town. Still not sure about V, he is acting differently but I think it's because of some privat shit, so no reason for red flag. And Dp seems quit different as well then the last games


DMB why do you mention that it is town vs town but that we are both acting differently from our town games?

it's kind of contradictory.

On August 28 2023 01:04 Vivax wrote:
Happy bday LS!

DP seems on edge at times but I think he has treated me very fairly.

TTT with the best friend in the room on the other hand raised a red flag in a moment where he assumed I was vulnerable to look for allies, and didn‘t do much with it at all.

Chezinu I don‘t know wtf he is about with his crypticness but he can get launched today for all I care.


I think Vivax is looking really town at this point so that is good. I also like using DMB as a barometer for Vivax, cause I feel like she is hyper aware of him and would call him mafia if there was literally any reason to, as both alignments.

On August 28 2023 00:05 marvellosity wrote:
Obvs VE hasn’t done anything, but I’m not gonna vote someone I can typically read pretty okay just because I can’t read them right now


On August 28 2023 00:11 marvellosity wrote:
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On August 28 2023 00:11 iamperfection wrote:
wouldn't you say koshi and ve are somewhat similar ?

I would not


On August 28 2023 00:17 marvellosity wrote:
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On August 28 2023 00:12 iamperfection wrote:
On August 28 2023 00:11 marvellosity wrote:
On August 28 2023 00:11 iamperfection wrote:
wouldn't you say koshi and ve are somewhat similar ?

I would not

care to be specific ? or are you just going to continue to be lazy?

Depends, are you going to continue to be annoying? (That’s rhetorical)

How to explain… VE can vary anywhere between 0 and 100 as either alignment depending on how he’s feeling or what’s going on irl or whatever factor you like.

Koshi… he was quiet last game but his read on you I just agreed with. And he’s not like VE, he’s more consistently the same Koshi regardless.


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On August 28 2023 02:34 LightningStrike wrote:
Ty guys! Also lol Marv I thought the majority of TL Mafia are younger than 29

lol no. TTT and I are 35



Interesting to see how this turns around.

On August 28 2023 03:43 marvellosity wrote:
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On August 28 2023 03:39 iamperfection wrote:
ve is being very nice and it disturbs me

It’s not the niceness that disturbs me. His vote is on someone who is suspicious of the other person he’s suspicious of, based on a rule he’s warning his vote target that people take seriously (although he doesn’t but also does) except no one else is taking it seriously.



Found it. Yeah this does look pretty bad, the question is, can VE do that as town?




On August 28 2023 03:27 mathenalin wrote:
Am i a snowflake if i vote VE or is his vote on me so unbelievably bad that its warranted


This post is sus as fuck.

Why is he checking the temperature of the thread before he votes? Like if you are town you know this motherfucker is wrong about you and trying to kill you. The self awareness of how he is being perceived in the thread strikes me.

On August 28 2023 03:36 mathenalin wrote:
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On August 28 2023 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 28 2023 03:25 mathenalin wrote:
On August 28 2023 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
mathenalin, around 10 hours ago you said you were prioritizing getting a read on iamp and Jacob. I see you formed a read on iamp but there is no mention in your filter about Jacob (even after you talked with DP about your reads -- so it doesn't fall under "if anyone has questions for me" anymore i guess).

Did you ever form a read on Jacob?


I'd say i don't like him but i cant point to anything as, thats scum behaviour.

His point about dp following rules and iamp being "on point" was silly.

His vote on marv being anything other than a joke.

Then talking about voting chez but immediately calling it a "pressure" vote which instantly makes it lose power.

I'd lynch him and not lose sleep but i cant form a slam dunk case.

I find it quite weird you treat this as anti-town behavior for some reasons:
1) Every vote particularly during D1 is "pressure", since noone has a good clue who is mafia (especially seems to be true this game since nobody really seems to have a even remotely good case they trust.
2) You said yourself, before voting for Chezinu, at twice, that pressure on Chezinu is good and should be kept up.

Why did you say that while simultaneously claiming if you announce pressure it loses power over the target?


Well i tried to pretend I had a reason



Hate this, town doesn't do this.

On August 28 2023 03:36 marvellosity wrote:
Very cocky/confident answers if he’s mafia, rayn


He strikes me as confident and cocky in general, I don't think this is a good enough reason to not consider him.

Last game Mathenalin seemed far more agentic and proactive in forming reads, this game it seems like he is coasting and answering prompts. Almost like he is hedging his reads.


On August 28 2023 04:25 Koshi wrote:
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On August 27 2023 17:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 27 2023 16:49 marvellosity wrote:
Well, I actually don’t have much to say. Vivax’s posts felt obtuse and I thought I recognised misdirection there from when we were scum together. But he argued about it so damn much this time which is a different look and more classically ‘vivax’



I am basically sitting in this boat, at the end I thought he seemed to make a lot more sense, but im wondering if he is actually as oblivious as he was making himself out to be.

Cause Re-reading that fight we had, it was really, really hard to not understand, and I feel like he would literally 'have' to play the misunderstanding angle to have me let go of it.


As soon he gets pressure for his shitfight he drops it.
So in his head Vivax was being an idiot to just fuck with him? And that makes Vivax mafia?
Don't buy it. He went over the top way too fast.


I dropped it before I got any pressure.

The post you are quoting from marv is AFTER i said he was probably town.

looks like you also don't read properly.

On August 28 2023 04:34 Koshi wrote:
After that DP does nothing.
So really activity is the only reason to not lynch him.

Him fucking up the thread and misreading obvious things would be a good reason to lynch him.


Does nothing.... Dude I was fucking dragging a dead thread along, it was fucking painful as fuck.


On August 28 2023 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On August 28 2023 04:47 Koshi wrote:
I don't know if I like TTT full filter though. Feels like he is waiting on something to happen and jump on it. He is making really safe/"smart" posts and I can see a sneaky mafia. Would I ever lynch TTT with that filter? No. Can I say he is not mafia? No.

On TTT, i think his questions are smarter this game. Like in his own way it looks to me like he is actually trying to solve something. Before restart in one of my last posts i found this shit i didn't remember who posted it (when VE voted for TTT):
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On August 25 2023 18:12 TankTopTiger wrote:
@Math and IAP
In your opinion, who here has the best idea of how you play as town vs. mafia?

@VE can you describe a scenario in which your line of questioning regarding my excitement for this game results in a read one way or another? It's not clicking for me what you were looking to happen here.

Like this "looks smart" but actually those are very garbage questions with no intention to solve anything. He couldnt even see how possibly asking DP about TTT meta would result in anything...

It's like, about a light year from this game (and games before) to me. He might have learned from mistake, but for now i doubt it at least much enough to not vote him.


He will seem smart as either alignment, its if he does anything with it that matters. In this case, hasn't done anything, so while agree that he seems better this game, I also don't think he has demonstrated he is green at this point


On August 28 2023 05:03 mathenalin wrote:
Probably wont be around at lynch.

I have responsibilities, but , my lynch order

VE
chez
LS
Any other mo fo lurkers


Blegh, like last game he was pushing me, and he struck me as someone that is suspicious of people who take thread control. this game he has been on those three plus Jake, like the least controversial pushes.

As much as looks bad, this guy also looks bad.

On August 28 2023 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Read his filter up until when I voted for him and compare that to after I voted for him



I think I see what VE see's so I think I like VE better.

I think Math is wayyyy too 'clean' this game, like he is playing but everything is sterile. add that he is proven to be actively concious of how he is being perceived.

I like a Math lynch and don;t like a VE lynch at this point.

On August 28 2023 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Read his filter up until when I voted for him and compare that to after I voted for him


Wrong, that shit is an inoffensive set of reads.

On August 28 2023 06:22 Vivax wrote:
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On August 28 2023 06:19 Koshi wrote:
On August 28 2023 06:12 Vivax wrote:
On August 28 2023 06:11 Koshi wrote:
Due to me not playing and not awarding points that is.

Not gonna lie your tone seems off.
But I'm kinda unstable rn.

Tone as in?
I need to be in the thread to do my normal thing. I hate and love it at the same time. I waste so much time but I understand the game better.


You lack the 'tingles'
It looks more like you're doing chores


I agree with this, feels like he is going through the motions, although IRL could explain things.

On August 28 2023 07:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ya I'm not even going to fight it not with that fucking stack and koshi afk, I might not actually be able to swing this. I'm town, this is a middle but not an unreasonable one. Good luck bois.


Does mafia VE ve up like this? I doubt it.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 27 2023 23:44 GMT
#656
On August 28 2023 08:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Catch up post:


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On August 27 2023 22:55 iamperfection wrote:
So my thoughts currently are that DP is likely town. I have less of a town read on Vivax but some of his posts have been so absurd i don't think it can be from a scum so less likely but town.

Rayn has been okish imo and has some similar opinions that i have so i would say green if pressed.

Marv has been somewhat passive so i would have him as dark grey if that makes sense. He has some good comments at points but i would expect that from him from either alignment.

Jacob is grey as well but im leaning more on the green side he seems to have at least intrest in lynching someone at least.

Chez has been useless

Koshi has been useless as well i would be fine with him out.

VE has been extremely useless and i see no posts with intent to try and figure out peoples alignments i think he is likely scum. He has one post where he says chez ill be watching you which comes off as unauthentic to me i would like to lynch him. I would most like to lynch him at the moment.

There are other people in the game too but i don't have opinions yet.

im voting ve


I like this post, particularly the the marv and jacob reads as they align with my own thoughts, as others have mentioned perfection looking good as town this game.

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On August 27 2023 23:09 TankTopTiger wrote:
Why VE?

He seems like the kind of player who enjoys playing scum. In Endures I, he blatantly led the mislynch D1 in all caps, reveling all the way. Like I get that he hasn't been active, and has failed to confirm himself town which (for reasons I'm unaware of) is apparently something he does a lot.

But am I wrong to expect him not to cower or coast as red?



I think this is a good point. but I have some issues with TTT this game I think.

Generally I would expect Mafia!TTT to still have good points, to seem coherent and logical and to ask questions that are reasonable and pertinent.

The difference is that as Mafia they fail to lead to anything productive or execute a scumhunting agenda.

In endures 1 and 2 TTT was clearly pushing a scumhunting agenda, and in these past two starts I haven't seen that from him really at all.

I think the attempted trap on Vivax was something I saw him use on marv in Endures 1 so that is a potential town trait.

I also think he would have improved his play from feedback from last game, so yeah, not green on TTT which is not really something I enjoy.

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On August 27 2023 23:37 die_meatbaby wrote:
On August 27 2023 21:41 marvellosity wrote:
On August 27 2023 21:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up after having to unexpectedly getting busy after my last post and DP and Vivax had a fight seemed forced? At least I think DP is town from that fight. Koshi though seemed underwhelming on my reread: He not exactly pushing his own thoughts per say this game compared to normal if he's town he needs to step it up big time. Also Chez not using his own rule right now is pretty suspicious considering he loved talking about in the past how he applies it.

If the fight is forced between DP and Vivax but you’re not scumreading either, what’s the angle?


I think this town against town. Still not sure about V, he is acting differently but I think it's because of some privat shit, so no reason for red flag. And Dp seems quit different as well then the last games


DMB why do you mention that it is town vs town but that we are both acting differently from our town games?

it's kind of contradictory.

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On August 28 2023 01:04 Vivax wrote:
Happy bday LS!

DP seems on edge at times but I think he has treated me very fairly.

TTT with the best friend in the room on the other hand raised a red flag in a moment where he assumed I was vulnerable to look for allies, and didn‘t do much with it at all.

Chezinu I don‘t know wtf he is about with his crypticness but he can get launched today for all I care.


I think Vivax is looking really town at this point so that is good. I also like using DMB as a barometer for Vivax, cause I feel like she is hyper aware of him and would call him mafia if there was literally any reason to, as both alignments.

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On August 28 2023 00:05 marvellosity wrote:
Obvs VE hasn’t done anything, but I’m not gonna vote someone I can typically read pretty okay just because I can’t read them right now


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On August 28 2023 00:11 marvellosity wrote:
On August 28 2023 00:11 iamperfection wrote:
wouldn't you say koshi and ve are somewhat similar ?

I would not


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On August 28 2023 00:17 marvellosity wrote:
On August 28 2023 00:12 iamperfection wrote:
On August 28 2023 00:11 marvellosity wrote:
On August 28 2023 00:11 iamperfection wrote:
wouldn't you say koshi and ve are somewhat similar ?

I would not

care to be specific ? or are you just going to continue to be lazy?

Depends, are you going to continue to be annoying? (That’s rhetorical)

How to explain… VE can vary anywhere between 0 and 100 as either alignment depending on how he’s feeling or what’s going on irl or whatever factor you like.

Koshi… he was quiet last game but his read on you I just agreed with. And he’s not like VE, he’s more consistently the same Koshi regardless.


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On August 28 2023 02:34 LightningStrike wrote:
Ty guys! Also lol Marv I thought the majority of TL Mafia are younger than 29

lol no. TTT and I are 35



Interesting to see how this turns around.

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On August 28 2023 03:43 marvellosity wrote:
On August 28 2023 03:39 iamperfection wrote:
ve is being very nice and it disturbs me

It’s not the niceness that disturbs me. His vote is on someone who is suspicious of the other person he’s suspicious of, based on a rule he’s warning his vote target that people take seriously (although he doesn’t but also does) except no one else is taking it seriously.



Found it. Yeah this does look pretty bad, the question is, can VE do that as town?




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On August 28 2023 03:27 mathenalin wrote:
Am i a snowflake if i vote VE or is his vote on me so unbelievably bad that its warranted


This post is sus as fuck.

Why is he checking the temperature of the thread before he votes? Like if you are town you know this motherfucker is wrong about you and trying to kill you. The self awareness of how he is being perceived in the thread strikes me.

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On August 28 2023 03:36 mathenalin wrote:
On August 28 2023 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 28 2023 03:25 mathenalin wrote:
On August 28 2023 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
mathenalin, around 10 hours ago you said you were prioritizing getting a read on iamp and Jacob. I see you formed a read on iamp but there is no mention in your filter about Jacob (even after you talked with DP about your reads -- so it doesn't fall under "if anyone has questions for me" anymore i guess).

Did you ever form a read on Jacob?


I'd say i don't like him but i cant point to anything as, thats scum behaviour.

His point about dp following rules and iamp being "on point" was silly.

His vote on marv being anything other than a joke.

Then talking about voting chez but immediately calling it a "pressure" vote which instantly makes it lose power.

I'd lynch him and not lose sleep but i cant form a slam dunk case.

I find it quite weird you treat this as anti-town behavior for some reasons:
1) Every vote particularly during D1 is "pressure", since noone has a good clue who is mafia (especially seems to be true this game since nobody really seems to have a even remotely good case they trust.
2) You said yourself, before voting for Chezinu, at twice, that pressure on Chezinu is good and should be kept up.

Why did you say that while simultaneously claiming if you announce pressure it loses power over the target?


Well i tried to pretend I had a reason



Hate this, town doesn't do this.

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On August 28 2023 03:36 marvellosity wrote:
Very cocky/confident answers if he’s mafia, rayn


He strikes me as confident and cocky in general, I don't think this is a good enough reason to not consider him.

Last game Mathenalin seemed far more agentic and proactive in forming reads, this game it seems like he is coasting and answering prompts. Almost like he is hedging his reads.


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On August 28 2023 04:25 Koshi wrote:
On August 27 2023 17:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 27 2023 16:49 marvellosity wrote:
Well, I actually don’t have much to say. Vivax’s posts felt obtuse and I thought I recognised misdirection there from when we were scum together. But he argued about it so damn much this time which is a different look and more classically ‘vivax’



I am basically sitting in this boat, at the end I thought he seemed to make a lot more sense, but im wondering if he is actually as oblivious as he was making himself out to be.

Cause Re-reading that fight we had, it was really, really hard to not understand, and I feel like he would literally 'have' to play the misunderstanding angle to have me let go of it.


As soon he gets pressure for his shitfight he drops it.
So in his head Vivax was being an idiot to just fuck with him? And that makes Vivax mafia?
Don't buy it. He went over the top way too fast.


I dropped it before I got any pressure.

The post you are quoting from marv is AFTER i said he was probably town.

looks like you also don't read properly.

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On August 28 2023 04:34 Koshi wrote:
After that DP does nothing.
So really activity is the only reason to not lynch him.

Him fucking up the thread and misreading obvious things would be a good reason to lynch him.


Does nothing.... Dude I was fucking dragging a dead thread along, it was fucking painful as fuck.


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On August 28 2023 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 28 2023 04:47 Koshi wrote:
I don't know if I like TTT full filter though. Feels like he is waiting on something to happen and jump on it. He is making really safe/"smart" posts and I can see a sneaky mafia. Would I ever lynch TTT with that filter? No. Can I say he is not mafia? No.

On TTT, i think his questions are smarter this game. Like in his own way it looks to me like he is actually trying to solve something. Before restart in one of my last posts i found this shit i didn't remember who posted it (when VE voted for TTT):
On August 25 2023 18:12 TankTopTiger wrote:
@Math and IAP
In your opinion, who here has the best idea of how you play as town vs. mafia?

@VE can you describe a scenario in which your line of questioning regarding my excitement for this game results in a read one way or another? It's not clicking for me what you were looking to happen here.

Like this "looks smart" but actually those are very garbage questions with no intention to solve anything. He couldnt even see how possibly asking DP about TTT meta would result in anything...

It's like, about a light year from this game (and games before) to me. He might have learned from mistake, but for now i doubt it at least much enough to not vote him.


He will seem smart as either alignment, its if he does anything with it that matters. In this case, hasn't done anything, so while agree that he seems better this game, I also don't think he has demonstrated he is green at this point


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On August 28 2023 05:03 mathenalin wrote:
Probably wont be around at lynch.

I have responsibilities, but , my lynch order

VE
chez
LS
Any other mo fo lurkers


Blegh, like last game he was pushing me, and he struck me as someone that is suspicious of people who take thread control. this game he has been on those three plus Jake, like the least controversial pushes.

As much as looks bad, this guy also looks bad.

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On August 28 2023 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Read his filter up until when I voted for him and compare that to after I voted for him



I think I see what VE see's so I think I like VE better.

I think Math is wayyyy too 'clean' this game, like he is playing but everything is sterile. add that he is proven to be actively concious of how he is being perceived.

I like a Math lynch and don;t like a VE lynch at this point.

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On August 28 2023 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Read his filter up until when I voted for him and compare that to after I voted for him


Wrong, that shit is an inoffensive set of reads.

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On August 28 2023 06:22 Vivax wrote:
On August 28 2023 06:19 Koshi wrote:
On August 28 2023 06:12 Vivax wrote:
On August 28 2023 06:11 Koshi wrote:
Due to me not playing and not awarding points that is.

Not gonna lie your tone seems off.
But I'm kinda unstable rn.

Tone as in?
I need to be in the thread to do my normal thing. I hate and love it at the same time. I waste so much time but I understand the game better.


You lack the 'tingles'
It looks more like you're doing chores


I agree with this, feels like he is going through the motions, although IRL could explain things.

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On August 28 2023 07:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ya I'm not even going to fight it not with that fucking stack and koshi afk, I might not actually be able to swing this. I'm town, this is a middle but not an unreasonable one. Good luck bois.


Does mafia VE ve up like this? I doubt it.

shut up vote chezinu
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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 27 2023 23:45 GMT
#657
Don't want to Lynch VE.

I do want to lynch MATHENALIN.

I could compromise onto Chezinu but I don't have a good grasp on his alignment so it would be tossing a coin and for future thread health.

##Vote: Mathenalin
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 27 2023 23:46 GMT
#658
On August 28 2023 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:
Don't want to Lynch VE.

I do want to lynch MATHENALIN.

I could compromise onto Chezinu but I don't have a good grasp on his alignment so it would be tossing a coin and for future thread health.

##Vote: Mathenalin

shut up vote chezinu
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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 27 2023 23:47 GMT
#659
I'll lynch chezinu over VE, but can you read my posts about math, read his filter and get back to me.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 27 2023 23:47 GMT
#660
On August 28 2023 08:47 DarthPunk wrote:
I'll lynch chezinu over VE, but can you read my posts about math, read his filter and get back to me.

shut up vote chezinu he fucking ninja voted. shut up vote chezinu
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