On August 28 2023 22:42 DarthPunk wrote:Repost for visibility:
Posts from last game:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 25 2023 22:02 mathenalin wrote:
This may be too early for a read but I don't see a world where both mafia marv and mafia rayn read VE as town early on and then sort of celebrate over it. (although mostly rayn congratulating marv). I suppose it's possible that rayn just said "you know who you SHOULD town read" and then agreed with whatever marv says but feels unlikely.
Both strong players so I think if there is a mafia in there it is only one and then its either two strong town players reading VE as town, which makes it more likely he is town. Or there is one mafia in the two of them and they are reading VE as town with the knowledge that he is.
Summary then that VE is likely town. then rayn or marv both town or max one mafia.
On August 25 2023 22:34 mathenalin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2023 22:17 DarthPunk wrote:On August 25 2023 22:12 iamperfection wrote:
how are you giving marv a town read do you respect his game that little.
I spent the last two games, deep in his filter, lynching town marv and catching scum marv.
So in terms of his recent play, what i explained to koshi stood out to me.
I didn't play in those games so I don't know exactly how it went, but what concerns me with this is that you have a large amount of data/experience from the past two games and now you are extrapolating a read based on a very small sample size in this game which, to me, doesn't seem to lean either way, at least not from an attitude perspective.
I now have to decide if you sort of see yourself as the "marv whisperer" trying to make an early god read. Or are you trying to pocket marv which is more suspicious.
On August 26 2023 02:09 mathenalin wrote:
I also have an evening of drinking and board games but I hope to post sporadically later on.
If I had to share a list of town/wouldn't lynch with some surface level reasons
VE - town for reasons earlier.
Rayn - I've agreed with a lot of his posts, I think the line of questioning on LS was reasonable.
Marv - He's a strong player he's given some good tempered responses that give a new perspective. his defence of LS and myself from Darth was good in a situation where he could have ignored it or added pressure. He has also been given some soft town reads from other players.
Koshi - Defended LS when he didn't have to, i feel like he's been more active than most.
Darth - This is tricky as I don't want to be like "you called me scummy so fuck you"... Maybe that's why he attacked me after I spoke out on his weak marv points. I feel like his push on LS came after other people had already questioned LS but it seems to be for different reasons so. Maybe it feels like going for low hanging fruit with the new guy and then LS who made a weak entry....I'm rambling here.
Either way I can't tell if Darth is scummy or just having a slightly different town game to me. being a very active but maybe less logical. He is driving things forward and giving thoughts and information out so I wouldn't want to lynch him today.
There is a lack of activity from several players, I haven't evaluated people with less than a page of filter. I didn't like Vivax or the LS entry. LS might be a good lynch as with the game split it would give some potential information.
These posts last game really stood out to me in regard to Math's alignment. They were agentic, they showed him attempting to solve the game and to be aggressive in doing so, particularly he shared without being prometed which showed proactivity.
That is something that was really lacking at the start of this game, at some point I had to ask him for his reads because I had no idea about them
That was the first red flag.
HIs filter start of day one was a lot of meaingless one liners and the chez vote which i felt was way too easy compared to targets like me on day one.
and his posts lacked the bite and curiosity of the previous game, resulting in saying Icky, to a post that vivax had already pointed out was scummy previously.
Show nested quote +On August 27 2023 17:40 mathenalin wrote:On August 27 2023 17:30 DarthPunk wrote:On August 27 2023 17:24 mathenalin wrote:On August 27 2023 13:07 TankTopTiger wrote:
I asked DMB.
I'm probably the best friend you have rn and the fact you're missing this as well confirms to me that you have no handle on what's going on.
Icky
If you are around, would be interested to see where your thoughts are at this point.
Yeh im around.
I need to go over a few bits again but some highlights to me.
Your push on vivax was the most memorable. I haven't decided if vivax was "caught out" or just being obtuse and confrontational with you , there's a lot of headspace talk that i dont understand. I do like that you are back in the thread and pushing , game has felt directionless
I read ttt's explanation of his only friend comment. Its a pretty obvious "play". does mafia make plays though, he certainly seems different to last game.
There is extra votes on chez , more pressure is good ,he is starting to crumble.
Last game marv and rayn were both town and it felt we made good progress. This game rayn has activity issues which I get but i havent felt the same drive or well thought out comments from either. Something to keep an eye on.
LS has been pretty AFK again with a weirdly reasoned read. Apparently that is normal LS according to marv. But i havent seen emotional involvement and he only responds when his name gets pinged so i don't like him.
It seems like i need to form an opinion on iamp and jacob if i want to get a feel for some other players. Prioritising that next unless you have other questions
This is why I asked him for reads, I was not happy with how his play was developing this game
but his reads seem forced, it's like he can't say 'i don't know' or something, too much summarizing of what happened in the thread without adding analysis or a real conclusion to it.
Show nested quote +On August 27 2023 18:03 mathenalin wrote:On August 27 2023 17:47 DarthPunk wrote:On August 27 2023 17:40 mathenalin wrote:On August 27 2023 17:30 DarthPunk wrote:On August 27 2023 17:24 mathenalin wrote:On August 27 2023 13:07 TankTopTiger wrote:
I asked DMB.
I'm probably the best friend you have rn and the fact you're missing this as well confirms to me that you have no handle on what's going on.
Icky
If you are around, would be interested to see where your thoughts are at this point.
Yeh im around.
I need to go over a few bits again but some highlights to me.
Your push on vivax was the most memorable. I haven't decided if vivax was "caught out" or just being obtuse and confrontational with you , there's a lot of headspace talk that i dont understand. I do like that you are back in the thread and pushing , game has felt directionless
I read ttt's explanation of his only friend comment. Its a pretty obvious "play". does mafia make plays though, he certainly seems different to last game.
There is extra votes on chez , more pressure is good ,he is starting to crumble.
Last game marv and rayn were both town and it felt we made good progress. This game rayn has activity issues which I get but i havent felt the same drive or well thought out comments from either. Something to keep an eye on.
LS has been pretty AFK again with a weirdly reasoned read. Apparently that is normal LS according to marv. But i havent seen emotional involvement and he only responds when his name gets pinged so i don't like him.
It seems like i need to form an opinion on iamp and jacob if i want to get a feel for some other players. Prioritising that next unless you have other questions
If you had to lynch someone that is not Chezinu right now who would it be?
Any thoughts on Koshi?
Thanks for the post :D
No thoughts on Koshi but i haven't really tried, same with VE i suppose.LS would be my next lynch choice
What does he mean hasn't really tried to form thoughts on Koshi and VE?
do you not just 'have' thoughts or not? most townies are in a constant state of trying to find out WTF is going on, thoughts are constant, not something that you need to labor over it seems like he is generating reads, rather than forming reads naturally.
Show nested quote +On August 27 2023 18:14 mathenalin wrote:
Koshi is a quick read. He made a scum team and vote on you for the lulz (or some deeper read i dunno)
Then you got the wrong end of the stick where he was talkng about iamp and you thought it was about you.
Koshi thinks its different? But then also wonders if hes trying too hard to be different.
I guess he's null
I dont have a read on iamp so I'm waiting to hear what other players pitch in with
Same again, summary on Koshi.
But how the hell does he not have a read on Imperfection? He was one of the biggest presences in the thread day 1.
But here is the killer:
You ready.
Show nested quote +On August 27 2023 03:20 mathenalin wrote:On August 27 2023 01:43 Vivax wrote:On August 26 2023 23:59 mathenalin wrote:
I really think VE could be onto something with chez.
Would actually be a very good lynch at this point
This reads to me like a busser‘s opinion purely off gut.
Any own reasons for this read ?
Oh do you think chez is mafia aswell then,
i've got a good feeling that he's mafia.
He says he thinks Chez is mafia.
Show nested quote +On August 27 2023 17:40 mathenalin wrote:On August 27 2023 17:30 DarthPunk wrote:On August 27 2023 17:24 mathenalin wrote:On August 27 2023 13:07 TankTopTiger wrote:
I asked DMB.
I'm probably the best friend you have rn and the fact you're missing this as well confirms to me that you have no handle on what's going on.
Icky
If you are around, would be interested to see where your thoughts are at this point.
There is extra votes on chez , more pressure is good ,he is starting to crumble.
Then he says that chez is crumbling.
Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 02:44 mathenalin wrote:
From my perspective i sort of knew chezinu and alakazam play weirdly. Chezinu was tracker last game and if he had come out on d2 or d3 and given some weird cryptic info...would i have believed him or given a fuck. Probably not. Point being i think his playstyle last game and this game is actively anti town.
So this game i want to see what he does and so far his response to pressure has been non existent except to call the person who accuses him, mafia. Its been low energy and weak.
So if someone asked me "whats your mafia read on him" for me i wanted to push him to see what flex he shows and because I don't think he should be able to get away with posting riddles and not engaging with other players.
Later you would think that he would have a progression on the read, still be calling Chez mafia, but he actually backtracks when VE pushes him and says that its a policy or health of the town lynch.
BUT HE ALREADY CALLED HIM MAFIA THE DAY BEFORE.And more:
Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 03:34 mathenalin wrote:On August 28 2023 03:29 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2023 03:25 mathenalin wrote:On August 28 2023 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
mathenalin, around 10 hours ago you said you were prioritizing getting a read on iamp and Jacob. I see you formed a read on iamp but there is no mention in your filter about Jacob (even after you talked with DP about your reads -- so it doesn't fall under "if anyone has questions for me" anymore i guess).
Did you ever form a read on Jacob?
I'd say i don't like him but i cant point to anything as, thats scum behaviour.
His point about dp following rules and iamp being "on point" was silly.
His vote on marv being anything other than a joke.
Then talking about voting chez but immediately calling it a "pressure" vote which instantly makes it lose power.
I'd lynch him and not lose sleep but i cant form a slam dunk case.
Are you calling him mafia or bad
I don't know tbh.
Again generating a read, doesn't know what it means, being disconnected from your reads is not a town trait. I don't care if he named it up and acted like it wasn't sus. I can't see thoughts and ideas from him, and I could in the first game.
Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 03:27 mathenalin wrote:
Am i a snowflake if i vote VE or is his vote on me so unbelievably bad that its warranted
Asking the thread for permission to vote VE. Townies just fucking vote dude, they don't need to gauge the temperature of the room first. It's just too self-aware for someone who was unapologetic in their pushes in the previous iteration of the game.
Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 03:36 mathenalin wrote:On August 28 2023 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 28 2023 03:25 mathenalin wrote:On August 28 2023 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
mathenalin, around 10 hours ago you said you were prioritizing getting a read on iamp and Jacob. I see you formed a read on iamp but there is no mention in your filter about Jacob (even after you talked with DP about your reads -- so it doesn't fall under "if anyone has questions for me" anymore i guess).
Did you ever form a read on Jacob?
I'd say i don't like him but i cant point to anything as, thats scum behaviour.
His point about dp following rules and iamp being "on point" was silly.
His vote on marv being anything other than a joke.
Then
talking about voting chez but immediately calling it a "pressure" vote which instantly makes it lose power.I'd lynch him and not lose sleep but i cant form a slam dunk case.
I find it quite weird you treat this as anti-town behavior for some reasons:
1) Every vote particularly during D1 is "pressure", since noone has a good clue who is mafia (especially seems to be true this game since nobody
really seems to have a even remotely good case they trust.
2) You said yourself, before voting for Chezinu, at twice, that pressure on Chezinu is good and should be kept up.
Why did you say that while simultaneously claiming if you announce pressure it loses power over the target?
Well i tried to pretend I had a reason
Marv you say you like this, I still hate it for the simple fact that only mafia pretend to have reasons to read people a particulary way, for town it is natural, it is a result of your state of being "town".
I actually don;t understand what is to like about this.
Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 04:58 mathenalin wrote:
I think VE is a good choice. Hes been lacklustre and his weird vote on me and chez rules reasoning is super terrible. Glad others have confirmed my feeling.
Vote: VisceraEyes
Hate this, again, over explained, trying to find validity as being part of the group.
Whatever. Too much sheeping, almost zero actual content, this is from a player who actually challenged things in half a cycle previously
He is the prime example of old school, fly under the radar, but not too much, post, but say nothing, mafia.
EPT
