Quarterly Mafia 1 - part 2 - Page 10

On August 30 2023 18:00 marvellosity wrote:

It’s really like this. If math had continued posting like he had been posting all game I’d be sitting here telling you he was town. For aforementioned reasons. I can quote (well I’m not on a pc so I can’t) 5-10 posts I think sound very natural, confident, blasé, however you want to say it - and I think they’re very difficult to post and maintain as mafia.

The problem I’m increasingly coming up against the more I think about it is that he give up post is so incongruent with any of that. He came under pressure and delivered what I thought was a nice defence to the case. But then peaced out.

I’m really struggling to marry the confident, tonally excellent math with the giving up math. It feels like those 2 players can’t be the same person. So maybe they’re just not. It /is/ a lot easier to marry up a math who was only faking confidence etc, had his confidence hit by a lot of pressure, and folded.

I haven’t really got a firm conclusion here tbh which I’d really like to. I’m not 80% on him anyway.

On August 31 2023 21:05 JacobStrangelove wrote:
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Oh look starting us off early is JSL coming in hard and deep on LS, I've never seen such piston action. Look it's inspired the other Math and Koshi and jumping right in there! It's not a threeway without four people as I always say.

Oh look there's marve sauntering in bringing TTT in chains, JSL's adhd has gotten the better of him and he's wandered over as well.

Not willing to let a hole go unfilled Vivax goes over to LS to continue the degredation. "I think he's looking for those bonus sloppy seconds points Grack"

"Indeed he could be... Oh look what's this Math has entered the room and Immeditally JSL and Perfection sprint at him. They're like rabbits in heat JSL must be going for a triple but no! Perfection sneaks in just before him and the crowd goes wild"

"That'll be a lot of points lost not getting three in a row first, Rookie error from the former heavyweight champion"

"Dp joins in for some DP of math" Things are heating up in the fuckerdome.

Marv decides he's had enough of whipping TTT and moves over to LS instead oh boy never have I seen one man take so much dick.

"OH WATCH OUT WATCH OUT RKO DIE BABY OUT OF NO WHERE JUMPS ON DIE BABY"S DICK RIGHT AS HE"S COMING" "That's a pro gamer move if I've ever seen it, Oh there she goes she's slapping him now!"

Viavx shouts from across the room hey another one get the combo and die baby immeditally runs over to start fucking LS

"Those team points there for the win, If the Die Vivax team make to to regionals this year they're sure to be a hot contender" "They surely have the Talents to make it"

JSL starts pleading with others to fuck Math instead. "My dick can't take it much longer but I need the extra orgy points"

Dp decides he's had enough of LS and agree's that it's better JSL gets the points than that whore Koshi who's currently in second place and there's two many people and he isn't getting enough time so he moves over to math instead and sticks it in his ear. "Any Whole's a goal as they say"

Perfection decides this his his moment. and goes back to fucking LS.

"Sadly while LS did a lot of work and performed admirably as cumslut he Just was too far behind in points after the first event and didn't make up enough points to make it to round three."

On August 31 2023 04:04 Koshi wrote:
2) Math, Chez and VE.

We are currently on page 4 of DP his filter and except for shitfighting with Vivax and me he hasn't done shit. So after rayn, marv, iamp and Koshi talk about VE and vote VE. DP comes in the thread and starts with saying he doesn't want to lynch VE but wants to lynch math.
You are all free to look yourself and look for posts of DP looking into Math but you won't find any except these:





the next post after voting math we get this:


I will come back to this but first all mentions about math in DP filter page 4-5-6-7:



I BUT ALSO DP WANTS YOU TO DOUBLE CHECK WHAT I WRITE. GO LOOK INTO 80 POSTS OF DP FOR MENTIONS OF MATH. You will only find the above and this:
spoiler cuz holy fuck:
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Ok. So in 80 posts aka 4 pages we only got 2 reasons:
1) math checked the temperature before voting
2) math said he pretended to have a reason. But if you read the conversation with rayn it is not that he caught pretending to have a reason but that he pressured with pretending to have a reason. So I am not sure what DP is saying that townies don't do that. DP most likely just read "pretend" and went with it.

Now asks yourself. Is this good enough for DP to not follow marv; rayn, iamp; koshi into VE? Maybe yes because he townreads VE for reasons given in his big catch up post which I am too stupid for to understand but you can go and figure it out.

But are there other targets that DP should have voted instead of math?




This is bottom page 6.

So I ask again. Should DP be on mathelin or TTT?
He ended up on math over TTT over VE.
Why?
Mafia!DP knew VE and Chez would flip town and was preparing misslynch number 3. That's why.

On August 31 2023 04:46 Koshi wrote:

Yes. Or because DP is mafia and felt threatened. Or both.
It's part 4 of a case. Nothing alone makes DP 100% mafia. Nothing ever will do that.

On September 01 2023 04:42 marvellosity wrote:

Obviously time has flown away from me. Turns out being secretary for my chess club had a little bit more admin than I was ready for :p

Nonetheless I needed to read this Koshi case properly. I actually don't mind the content of this post from Koshi. But the conclusion doesn't seem that logical to me. It's really difficult to pair DP and TTT in this game. The only world where it's possible is where there's some sort of mutual double bus, then DP coaches (?) TTT to make a couple of emotionally 'congruent' posts to allow him to flip his read on his scumbuddy. It's not impossible - but it is very unlikely. So back to the bolded bit - assuming maf DP knows VE/Chez's alignment, then TTT is as good a mislynch as math.

Actually a better argument is that DP is spreading the net of suspicion wide - to TTT and math - to try to secure multiple future mislynches. But in that case why the about turn on TTT recently?

On September 01 2023 11:29 iamperfection wrote:
ah fuck it was gonna wait to see what marv said.

ill say marv sheeped me now.

##Vote Koshi

On September 01 2023 16:42 DarthPunk wrote:


Any thoughts on this Marv? (I see you voted him, but still)

Usually quite weak to this shit.


But it looks like scum to me this time

On September 01 2023 17:11 DarthPunk wrote:
I wonder if the scum team is actually koshi-ls-math and their morale is at zero cause they just got giga-stomped

On September 01 2023 15:02 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hey. I'm on laptop using wifi I won't have for long so I'm chipping in quickly. I read while working and have been thinking about it a while but don't have any quotes in front of me.

DP you have a pass but I'm not actually reading you either way. We're syncing up well on reads but your energy is weird.

I would like to lynch JSL. His vibe has been off a while but now I think I've got a more solid read.

Firstly, he's just wrong. DMB was a fine NK. There was a decent chance she was blue, and despite her difficulty in establishing thread presence, and her inactivity, she accelerates from zero real hard out of nowhere and has shown in Endurance II that she's very insightful when given time to cook. I think she has difficulty reading specifically me, but that's no biggie because my play has been high variance between games.

Secondly and building off that, Jacob is never wrong. Never wrong wrong anyway. Jacob always always always hedges every bet to the extent he's got every base covered. When you add up all of the things he says they're supposed to add up to nothing by design. He's never very right but he's never wrong. He's so open-minded one must assume ample gyri or his brain would slip out his ear. For him to be judgemental about the DMB NK doesn't make sense because Jacob is just too chill for that.

Jacob tell me you're not too chill for that?

But this sort of thing does make sense to me for a jacob who just took a shot at DMB being blue, thinking it'll look stupid if he's wrong and then finding that to be the case. I don't really see why else he would end up talking about it because he's too nice by default to just randomly start sledging. At his core Jacob desparately wants everyone to get along. It's not like him to shit on DMB and the scum team simultaneously unless he feels pressured toward that sort of behaviour.

On September 01 2023 17:28 TankTopTiger wrote:
Is there anything in particular you want to know Marv? I'm not sure what you're looking for and don't want to just regurgitate it.

On September 01 2023 11:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:


No it's a very dumb shot. You would have to be stupid to shoot dmb as mafia here completely brain dead.

On September 01 2023 17:49 TankTopTiger wrote:
I'm not pushing you because I know there's no point and our views *have* converged somewhat so don't worry about it. I just didn't like you claiming I'd read you green when that wasn't my point at all. A big reason I was so tilted was it felt like everyone was taking a very post-modern approach to truth. So I'm not attacking you, I'm just correcting you.

My giving you a pass is one part knowing I'm tilted as shit, and two parts knowing I couldn't lynch you if I wanted to. I'm not confirming you town and you shouldn't claim otherwise. But of all the people we could lynch, you're pretty far down my list anyway because I feel good about Jacob and Koshi and there are two AFKs that probably need to pipe up too before I tunnel one of the two town leaders.

On September 01 2023 18:17 iamperfection wrote:
You have gotten soft in your old age marv.

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On September 01 2023 18:11 TankTopTiger wrote:
Oh so it's the DP thing. I guess you're the one I've entrusted with him so I'll give you a splurge.

It's a lot of personal stuff that isn't really verifiable and tbh I'd have to go back and reread the initial incident to give exact details anyway. The main thing when he was drilling me was the complete lack of hesitation. In Endurance II I was town and he wanted to lynch me but was tearing himself apart over it so bad I felt like scum. I didn't really have any reads beyond CC iirc (I don't remember the exact point), and he felt that it was unlike me not to have contributed much (same tune as this game). But he was so anxious about being the person that led a mislynch he couldn't do it. He also did similar things to other players, not just me. He was a mess, and I leaned into it as town to survive, much like I eventually did this game. But this game, it was more forced because I put him in an awkward position when I flipped because then all the personal shit I said, the references to personal conversations etc., they came from a confirmed town. So to me, him eventually giving me some charity was something I had to twist his arm to do if he wanted to not be shot to shit after I went down.

One example of a conversation he conveniently forgot in order to suspect me, was one where I had corrected his misremembering of Endurance II. He thought that I'd been pretty solid the whole way through, but in fact, I was almost dying the entire time and only survived one lynch because someone (I believe Slam) forgot to vote. DP acknowledged he'd misremembered it, but then completely erased this from his memory in order to bludgeon me with "you should have contributed by now". So both DMB and DP feel I should do better because of E1, and sort of ignored E2, but DP should know better because I know I've already told him.

More recently, when he described how I set myself parameters, this felt placatory, like I was being Forer'd. I do happen to agree somewhat with the assessment overall, but it wasn't specific enough and didn't really feel like it was an alignment indicative read. He said as scum I'd sacrifice win percent in order to win the way I want. This is true, but I do that as town too. Hell rn I'm not filter diving and I'm flaming idiots. These parametres arose as town organically as a way to keep myself posting. But I go into every game with some idea of how I want to play before I read my role.

So he felt too eager to lynch me early, and too eager to forgive me later. I expect myself to be pretty biased given I was attacked by someone I feel should have every reason not to (team straya has done real well for ourselves these last two games by finding a way to verify and trust each other), so take it with a pinch of salt. I don't trust myself to be objective about it so I'm comparmentalising to a pathological degree.

On September 01 2023 18:32 iamperfection wrote:
Marv if you would like to join me on an exercise if you read maths first like 6 or 7 posts in the game what do you think operating with ls and koshi scum.

On September 01 2023 19:24 DarthPunk wrote:


Too many townies :D

On September 01 2023 20:56 Vivax wrote:


...they whispered softly into each other‘s ears while tenderly massaging ...