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raynpelikoneet
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July 27 2023 11:27 GMT
#15
/in
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raynpelikoneet
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July 31 2023 17:07 GMT
#24
mentouts?
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raynpelikoneet
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August 01 2023 17:08 GMT
#31
On August 01 2023 12:14 iamperfection wrote:
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On July 22 2023 16:28 marvellosity wrote:
/in

i would if i could because of this dude

Dooooitttt!!!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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Last Edited: 2023-08-01 17:10:00
August 01 2023 17:09 GMT
#32
I promise you Hapa aswell iamperfection if you doooit!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 14 2023 08:49 GMT
#43
Sent him a message yesterday.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2023 04:44 GMT
#60
Are we playing soon? Looking forward to strategic insights and analytical approach since everyone in TL Mafia seems to have those qualities.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2023 06:06 GMT
#66
Even chatgpt knows youre special ^^
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 17 2023 21:48 GMT
#75
On August 17 2023 23:35 Vivax wrote:
I like the past tense it uses. Maybe it surpasses the processing capabilities of the current universe and is capable of time travel.

I think chatgpt is yp to date until 2021 or smth
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 22 2023 16:23 GMT
#83
It's funny being impulsive is both my pro and con.
Not that it's not true though.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 23 2023 11:12 GMT
#96
Yeah i was abt to say the same
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 23 2023 18:50 GMT
#99
oh dear 5am deadline is gonna be not good for me for the first two days...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 24 2023 20:03 GMT
#106
glhf everyone!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 08:43 GMT
#183
This game is already funny
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 09:58 GMT
#189
But there IS one player you SHOULD townread.
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raynpelikoneet
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Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 10:55 GMT
#216
On August 25 2023 19:49 marvellosity wrote:
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[B]On August 25 2023 19:48 Koshi wrote:[/B

I like VE. But not in an alignment indicative way. 🥰

Same, but maybe in an alignment indicative way too

Very good!!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 11:52 GMT
#222
I'm also giving a slight townread for Jacob for bringing out the 90% sure fact that DP and iamp are not mafia together.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 11:58 GMT
#225
On August 25 2023 20:54 Koshi wrote:
Strongly strongly? Or just reminds me more somwhat somewhere?
Endures 2 is really the lowest bar of bars.

I agree with this more than DP's town read on marv.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 12:02 GMT
#226
On August 25 2023 20:36 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't think I agree that VE's posts were alignment indicative (although I liked them) but I think I might just be bad at reading him through the trolling.

Why do you feel the need to post this, especially when marv and rayn say they think VE is town and you might just be bad at reading him?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 12:09 GMT
#231
On August 25 2023 21:04 DarthPunk wrote:
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On August 25 2023 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 25 2023 20:36 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't think I agree that VE's posts were alignment indicative (although I liked them) but I think I might just be bad at reading him through the trolling.

Why do you feel the need to post this, especially when marv and rayn say they think VE is town and you might just be bad at reading him?


I mean, have you seen me play, i generally just post whatever im thinking at the time :D

I know but i mean you generally question stuff a shitton (more than it's needed - at times), here you just disagree, no question for me or marv why we do feel like that.

What if me/marv or both are mafia and we're just giving out a bullshit read, would you care to look into that?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 12:16 GMT
#235
So DP you're not interested in why i think VE is town either? I can get the marv part.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 12:17 GMT
#236
On August 25 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote:
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On August 25 2023 20:31 Koshi wrote:
On August 25 2023 20:30 Koshi wrote:
But I see it as a compliment you only see me in your future. ❤


Well there are always more townies, so from a compassionate friendly perspective, in future games it is also best to be as easily townread when town as well

Could we drop this and something useful instead?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 12:25 GMT
#239
Idk if you can tbh.
Do you think, or agree, that DP and iamp are most likely not mafia together?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 12:33 GMT
#244
On August 25 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:
I guess, it’s not enough of a thing for me to think it’s a thing though

I think it's thing for Jacob's alignment though, since aside from VE's alignment (which he definitely can't discern there) it was the most useful observation.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 12:45 GMT
#250
Salsa instead?
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raynpelikoneet
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August 25 2023 12:55 GMT
#254
On August 25 2023 21:50 Koshi wrote:
So we lynch iamp and Vivax

from the players who have posted i would say i'd do this exact thing but nowhere near sure of it tbh.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 12:56 GMT
#257
I dont want to lynch anyone atm.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 12:57 GMT
#258
"Town rayn isn't chill when he enters a game."

thgis is complete trash.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 13:03 GMT
#260
I would read VE town even if i was mafia here so legit read anyways.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 13:12 GMT
#265
On August 25 2023 22:12 DarthPunk wrote:
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On August 25 2023 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"Town rayn isn't chill when he enters a game."

thgis is complete trash.


Why would he say that as mafia?

Read the obs thread from the last game, he was HYPER aware of you, the way you react to things, planning how he will play so as to not arouse your suspicion, he pocketed you and used you as a shield.

Why does he make that post as mafia this game?

That came across as very townie to me, because he must know it might piss you off, and he doesn't care.

Just because of that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 13:12 GMT
#266
Also it is very wrong and he should know it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 13:28 GMT
#273
probably irl
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raynpelikoneet
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Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 13:31 GMT
#274
On August 25 2023 22:13 DarthPunk wrote:
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On August 25 2023 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 25 2023 22:12 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 25 2023 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"Town rayn isn't chill when he enters a game."

thgis is complete trash.


Why would he say that as mafia?

Read the obs thread from the last game, he was HYPER aware of you, the way you react to things, planning how he will play so as to not arouse your suspicion, he pocketed you and used you as a shield.

Why does he make that post as mafia this game?

That came across as very townie to me, because he must know it might piss you off, and he doesn't care.

Just because of that.


So you are saying its WIFOM?

Vivax is very good at WIFOM.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 13:42 GMT
#279
mathenalin why cant me and marv not both be mafia making a "correct" read on town (or even mafia) VE?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 13:43 GMT
#281
On August 25 2023 22:41 LightningStrike wrote:
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On August 25 2023 22:38 mathenalin wrote:
On August 25 2023 22:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Morning guys. Marv, Rayn, and Koshi so far looks town from what I had read. Marv because his attitude seems a bit different from last game. Koshi due to his attempt to get himself lynched when he doesn't do that as mafia. Rayn because he actually trying to move things forward and trying to actually solve the game.


Has koshi tried to get himself lynched before as either alignment?

Nope not that I remember but I think it's more town indicated of him though.

uh-oh, bad LS...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 13:44 GMT
#282
##vote LightningStrike
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 13:53 GMT
#295
On August 25 2023 22:48 marvellosity wrote:
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On August 25 2023 22:45 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 25 2023 22:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 25 2023 22:41 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 25 2023 22:38 mathenalin wrote:
On August 25 2023 22:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Morning guys. Marv, Rayn, and Koshi so far looks town from what I had read. Marv because his attitude seems a bit different from last game. Koshi due to his attempt to get himself lynched when he doesn't do that as mafia. Rayn because he actually trying to move things forward and trying to actually solve the game.


Has koshi tried to get himself lynched before as either alignment?

Nope not that I remember but I think it's more town indicated of him though.


why?

I know Koshi enough to say he would of tried hard and not get himself lynched as mafia Day 1 like that. In fact I remember him bitching about not having enough time to do stuff and wanted more time when he was mafia in Horns of Africa.

I don’t mind this

Did you read both of his posts?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 13:54 GMT
#296
Particularly:
"Koshi due to his attempt to get himself lynched when he doesn't do that as mafia."
"Has koshi tried to get himself lynched before as either alignment?"
"Nope not that I remember"
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 14:01 GMT
#300
On August 25 2023 22:58 DarthPunk wrote:
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On August 25 2023 22:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 25 2023 22:13 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 25 2023 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 25 2023 22:12 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 25 2023 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"Town rayn isn't chill when he enters a game."

thgis is complete trash.


Why would he say that as mafia?

Read the obs thread from the last game, he was HYPER aware of you, the way you react to things, planning how he will play so as to not arouse your suspicion, he pocketed you and used you as a shield.

Why does he make that post as mafia this game?

That came across as very townie to me, because he must know it might piss you off, and he doesn't care.

Just because of that.


So you are saying its WIFOM?

Vivax is very good at WIFOM.


but this doesn't make sense. Whats the objective? that you town read him for sussing you?

I do not care about the objective because i do not know what mafia's objective is to make almost any post ever, if i did i would be even more amazing at catching mafia.

What i do know is that he is posting something that is incorrect and i am not sure he actually believes that is correct. As town you would definitely not lie about something like that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 14:10 GMT
#307
On August 25 2023 23:05 Koshi wrote:
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On August 25 2023 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Particularly:
"Koshi due to his attempt to get himself lynched when he doesn't do that as mafia."
"Has koshi tried to get himself lynched before as either alignment?"
"Nope not that I remember"

He believes I wouldnt openly want to get lynched as mafia.
He believes I never openly said I want to get lynched as either alignment.

There is no contradiction.

We have to agree to disagree here then. Because what i see is a player who bases their reads (especially early on) fully and completely to meta. The first post would be fine if he just said "i dont think Koshi would want to get lynched as mafia like this", but instead he bases it on a meta on Koshi where Koshi has never wanted to be lynched as mafia. This does not go well with the fact that his meta suggests that "Koshi doesn't do that as any alignment". Aka it should be a null tell for him, and especially the first post he made suggesests that he should not have that conclusion about Koshi's alignment based on what he gives as a reasoning.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 14:12 GMT
#309
Alright boys and girls, gotta get moving to new house to warm up sauna for friend. See you in a bit.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 14:42 GMT
#321
Why is marv LS whisperer??
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 14:43 GMT
#322
Can you explain, marv why what i said about LS shouldnt ske him mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 14:43 GMT
#323
Ske = make,

I hate playing on phone..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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August 25 2023 14:47 GMT
#326
On August 25 2023 23:44 iamperfection wrote:
Im not getting huge scum vibes from LS early vibes. I felt the same thing about his forced ai point about jacob. Since i had already made those jokes sort of before the game and at the start.

So why does a player who plays only by meta early on contradict his own meta read on someone?

Do tou have an answer for that for a townie?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 14:53 GMT
#329
On August 25 2023 23:51 iamperfection wrote:
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On August 25 2023 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 25 2023 23:44 iamperfection wrote:
Im not getting huge scum vibes from LS early vibes. I felt the same thing about his forced ai point about jacob. Since i had already made those jokes sort of before the game and at the start.

So why does a player who plays only by meta early on contradict his own meta read on someone?

Do tou have an answer for that for a townie?

is that even true. Seems like a flawed way to play to me. I doubt its true.

Are you reading the game?
If you are you should be able to tell if its true or not.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 14:54 GMT
#330
I can tell you though that 95% of LS reads are based purelyon meta, when he is town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 15:00 GMT
#333
On August 25 2023 23:46 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2023 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 25 2023 23:05 Koshi wrote:
On August 25 2023 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Particularly:
"Koshi due to his attempt to get himself lynched when he doesn't do that as mafia."
"Has koshi tried to get himself lynched before as either alignment?"
"Nope not that I remember"

He believes I wouldnt openly want to get lynched as mafia.
He believes I never openly said I want to get lynched as either alignment.

There is no contradiction.

We have to agree to disagree here then. Because what i see is a player who bases their reads (especially early on) fully and completely to meta. The first post would be fine if he just said "i dont think Koshi would want to get lynched as mafia like this", but instead he bases it on a meta on Koshi where Koshi has never wanted to be lynched as mafia. This does not go well with the fact that his meta suggests that "Koshi doesn't do that as any alignment". Aka it should be a null tell for him, and especially the first post he made suggesests that he should not have that conclusion about Koshi's alignment based on what he gives as a reasoning.

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On August 25 2023 22:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Morning guys. Marv, Rayn, and Koshi so far looks town from what I had read. Marv because his attitude seems a bit different from last game. Koshi due to his attempt to get himself lynched when he doesn't do that as mafia. Rayn because he actually trying to move things forward and trying to actually solve the game.

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On August 25 2023 22:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Nope not that I remember but I think it's more town indicated of him though.

LS was mafia in my last game and I wouldn't have guessed it on D1. So I will take your read in consideration but to me it seems he makes a meta read that I wouldn't do it as mafia. Not because I never did it, but that I wouldn't do it based on my previous playstyle as mafia.

He also elaborated it like that when pressed so story checks out.

He made the read because its not your mafia!meta.
Whwn questioned, he said its not your town!meta either.

If honest, he should not read you anything because his meta suggests a null!read.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 15:04 GMT
#337
What did he say then? Becausethats what i read.
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raynpelikoneet
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Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 15:06 GMT
#338
Idk i have to go theough this all again when i hve access to computer.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 15:10 GMT
#339
I would appreciate if you three, koshi/marv/iamp would get on the same page on this, because i value all of your opinion if youre town (and it would be telling if youre not). Because right now:
- marv understands point, says it doesnt make LS mafia
- koshi says LS disnt do it at all
- iamp doesnt understand point
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 15:15 GMT
#343
My point is:
- LSreada people by meta
- LS read Koshi based on meta that is insufficent
- LS should know this as he reads people by meta, aka as if i go through thread checking for inconsistancies of thinking, LS goes through past games checking whats comparable or not to this game
- LS sefintely didnt do this properly at all
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 15:22 GMT
#345
On August 26 2023 00:17 Koshi wrote:
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On August 26 2023 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My point is:
- LSreada people by meta
- LS read Koshi based on meta that is insufficent
- LS should know this as he reads people by meta, aka as if i go through thread checking for inconsistancies of thinking, LS goes through past games checking whats comparable or not to this game
- LS sefintely didnt do this properly at all

How do you not understand that not having done something does not remove the fact somebody would more likely do x over y.

I completely understand that, however LS didnt say that at all in the first post, whoch he should have done if he thought that genuinely.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 15:24 GMT
#346
If he said "i dont think Koshi would do this more likely as mafia than as town and as he has not done this as mafia ever i think he is town" in first place, i would be completely fine with the read.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 15:29 GMT
#350
On August 26 2023 00:26 Koshi wrote:
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On August 25 2023 22:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Morning guys. Marv, Rayn, and Koshi so far looks town from what I had read. Marv because his attitude seems a bit different from last game. Koshi due to his attempt to get himself lynched when he wouldnt do that as mafia. Rayn because he actually trying to move things forward and trying to actually solve the game.

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On August 25 2023 22:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Nope not that I remember but I think it's more town indicated of him though.

@rayn: I changed a word. Would that have be fine? Or does this still makes LS mafia?

No. Not for LS. His level of explaing his reads is way above that.
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raynpelikoneet
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Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 15:31 GMT
#351
But okay, you can talk about something else.
We'll see later.
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August 25 2023 18:03 GMT
#356
!eporuE olleH
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August 25 2023 18:14 GMT
#357
marv what's your read on iamp and if you don't have any, do you think you should have one based on his posting?
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Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 18:22 GMT
#359
On August 26 2023 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv what's your read on iamp and if you don't have any, do you think you should have one based on his posting?

what a stupid question after the initial one lol :D
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Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 18:55 GMT
#368
Oh that was the weird question i couldn't find anymore.
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Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 19:12 GMT
#370
Well i guess i am just waiting for Vivax and mebaby making their real openers then.
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Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2023 19:41 GMT
#375
On August 26 2023 04:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like just for me, you guys know what I was doing with DP with that question right?

yes
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