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mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
July 21 2023 07:22 GMT
#6
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mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
August 23 2023 07:37 GMT
#92
Start ASAP
mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
August 25 2023 06:28 GMT
#150
Hi everyone, looking forward to playing with you.

I had the same impression as VisceraEyes, two guys very excited to get the game going and it's good to see.

iamperfection's reason for giving DarthPunk an early town read was insufficient. The discord discussion is in bad spirit but mafia or town could bring it up.

@Chezinu have you read your role?


mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
August 25 2023 06:36 GMT
#152
On August 25 2023 15:32 DarthPunk wrote:
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On August 25 2023 15:28 mathenalin wrote:
Hi everyone, looking forward to playing with you.

I had the same impression as VisceraEyes, two guys very excited to get the game going and it's good to see.

iamperfection's reason for giving DarthPunk an early town read was insufficient. The discord discussion is in bad spirit but mafia or town could bring it up.

@Chezinu have you read your role?




Hi!!

Have you played forum mafia before mat?


I have, been lurking games here on and off for a while
mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
August 25 2023 06:52 GMT
#154
On August 25 2023 15:39 DarthPunk wrote:
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On August 25 2023 15:36 mathenalin wrote:
On August 25 2023 15:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 25 2023 15:28 mathenalin wrote:
Hi everyone, looking forward to playing with you.

I had the same impression as VisceraEyes, two guys very excited to get the game going and it's good to see.

iamperfection's reason for giving DarthPunk an early town read was insufficient. The discord discussion is in bad spirit but mafia or town could bring it up.

@Chezinu have you read your role?




Hi!!

Have you played forum mafia before mat?


I have, been lurking games here on and off for a while


Nice! just want to know what kind of expectations I should have.

Have you got any other thoughts about the game so far?


I don't want to spam the thread too much and I don't have anything noteworthy to add at the moment.
I understand chezinu typically plays like this
mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
August 25 2023 07:07 GMT
#160
Hi Jacob, I agree the whole first level of the discord read doesn't say anything. DarthPunk could have said it as town or mafia.
On the next level do you have anything based on the interactions between DarthPunk and iamperfection as a result of the discussion?

mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
August 25 2023 07:07 GMT
#161
@Mods can we get an instant ban for any chatGPT reads?
mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
August 25 2023 07:40 GMT
#167
On August 25 2023 16:25 JacobStrangelove wrote:
More accurately I wouldn't say dp is scum because of it only possibility is perfection trying to get in bed with dp as town so I would read perfection as not mafia if dp is and vice versa but also potentially both town.

Also going to try and shutup for at least 30 minutes before I shit up the thread too much but also yes bad vibes voting math both for the trauma in highschool and the unprogressive use of technology. I'll stop at nothing to ensure town wins, as president of this town it's my duty even if it means bowing to AI overlords. If not scum why fear the AI piercing your soul?


That seems like a pretty decent analysis to me.

mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
August 25 2023 08:32 GMT
#180
On August 25 2023 17:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On August 25 2023 16:25 JacobStrangelove wrote:
More accurately I wouldn't say dp is scum because of it only possibility is perfection trying to get in bed with dp as town so I would read perfection as not mafia if dp is and vice versa but also potentially both town.

Also going to try and shutup for at least 30 minutes before I shit up the thread too much but also yes bad vibes voting math both for the trauma in highschool and the unprogressive use of technology. I'll stop at nothing to ensure town wins, as president of this town it's my duty even if it means bowing to AI overlords. If not scum why fear the AI piercing your soul?

I keep going back and rereading this post.

Tell me why it looks like Jacob is iamp scum partner just trying to put iamp name in his mouth LIEK BAWS? Do I just overestimate Jake's cahones?


I asked him specifically about iamp so it would be weird not to mention his name.
mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
August 25 2023 08:38 GMT
#182
On August 25 2023 17:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On August 25 2023 17:32 mathenalin wrote:
On August 25 2023 17:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 25 2023 16:25 JacobStrangelove wrote:
More accurately I wouldn't say dp is scum because of it only possibility is perfection trying to get in bed with dp as town so I would read perfection as not mafia if dp is and vice versa but also potentially both town.

Also going to try and shutup for at least 30 minutes before I shit up the thread too much but also yes bad vibes voting math both for the trauma in highschool and the unprogressive use of technology. I'll stop at nothing to ensure town wins, as president of this town it's my duty even if it means bowing to AI overlords. If not scum why fear the AI piercing your soul?

I keep going back and rereading this post.

Tell me why it looks like Jacob is iamp scum partner just trying to put iamp name in his mouth LIEK BAWS? Do I just overestimate Jake's cahones?


I asked him specifically about iamp so it would be weird not to mention his name.

Dude. Yes. I skipped your post because I'm an asshole and don't know you. I'm VE, I only read about 20% of posts but pretend like I study every one. I make awful meta reads and WILL make at least one post in all-caps...besides the one I've already made...before the game is over. Good to meet you.


It's alright. Jacob voted me and couldn't be bothered to spell my name correctly. Rough entry for the new guy.
I am familiar with the passion you bring, I watched you on video mafia back in the day.
mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
August 25 2023 10:32 GMT
#203
On August 25 2023 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But there IS one player you SHOULD townread.


I'm stupid so who is it?
mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
August 25 2023 13:02 GMT
#259
This may be too early for a read but I don't see a world where both mafia marv and mafia rayn read VE as town early on and then sort of celebrate over it. (although mostly rayn congratulating marv). I suppose it's possible that rayn just said "you know who you SHOULD town read" and then agreed with whatever marv says but feels unlikely.
Both strong players so I think if there is a mafia in there it is only one and then its either two strong town players reading VE as town, which makes it more likely he is town. Or there is one mafia in the two of them and they are reading VE as town with the knowledge that he is.
Summary then that VE is likely town. then rayn or marv both town or max one mafia.
mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
August 25 2023 13:34 GMT
#275
On August 25 2023 22:17 DarthPunk wrote:
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On August 25 2023 22:12 iamperfection wrote:
how are you giving marv a town read do you respect his game that little.


I spent the last two games, deep in his filter, lynching town marv and catching scum marv.

So in terms of his recent play, what i explained to koshi stood out to me.


I didn't play in those games so I don't know exactly how it went, but what concerns me with this is that you have a large amount of data/experience from the past two games and now you are extrapolating a read based on a very small sample size in this game which, to me, doesn't seem to lean either way, at least not from an attitude perspective.
I now have to decide if you sort of see yourself as the "marv whisperer" trying to make an early god read. Or are you trying to pocket marv which is more suspicious.
mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
August 25 2023 13:38 GMT
#276
On August 25 2023 22:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Morning guys. Marv, Rayn, and Koshi so far looks town from what I had read. Marv because his attitude seems a bit different from last game. Koshi due to his attempt to get himself lynched when he doesn't do that as mafia. Rayn because he actually trying to move things forward and trying to actually solve the game.


Has koshi tried to get himself lynched before as either alignment?
mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
August 25 2023 13:45 GMT
#285
On August 25 2023 22:39 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2023 22:34 mathenalin wrote:
On August 25 2023 22:17 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 25 2023 22:12 iamperfection wrote:
how are you giving marv a town read do you respect his game that little.


I spent the last two games, deep in his filter, lynching town marv and catching scum marv.

So in terms of his recent play, what i explained to koshi stood out to me.


I didn't play in those games so I don't know exactly how it went, but what concerns me with this is that you have a large amount of data/experience from the past two games and now you are extrapolating a read based on a very small sample size in this game which, to me, doesn't seem to lean either way, at least not from an attitude perspective.
I now have to decide if you sort of see yourself as the "marv whisperer" trying to make an early god read. Or are you trying to pocket marv which is more suspicious.


You are right, I am using my years of experience playing mafia as a lens through which i processed the last two games, as well as playing many games with marv in the past to make a read.

why don;t you tell me what your reads are?

cause right now you are repeating what is happening in the thread, and its sus.


Sorry didn't mean to upset you.

As far as my reads go I don't have anything new since my last post where I said VE was likely town and that one or more of marv and rayn are town. I have leanings either way but as a new player I don't have your confidence in analysing players.
mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
August 25 2023 13:48 GMT
#293
On August 25 2023 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
mathenalin why cant me and marv not both be mafia making a "correct" read on town (or even mafia) VE?


You could I suppose , but It seems unlikely to me that two mafia teammates would make a simultaneous town read where they piggy back off each other. Don't mafia teammates try to create seperation between each other typically?
mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
August 25 2023 14:07 GMT
#302
On August 25 2023 22:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2023 22:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 25 2023 22:13 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 25 2023 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 25 2023 22:12 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 25 2023 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"Town rayn isn't chill when he enters a game."

thgis is complete trash.


Why would he say that as mafia?

Read the obs thread from the last game, he was HYPER aware of you, the way you react to things, planning how he will play so as to not arouse your suspicion, he pocketed you and used you as a shield.

Why does he make that post as mafia this game?

That came across as very townie to me, because he must know it might piss you off, and he doesn't care.

Just because of that.


So you are saying its WIFOM?

Vivax is very good at WIFOM.


but this doesn't make sense. Whats the objective? that you town read him for sussing you?


Do you believe that Vivaxs statement on rayn is true?

I guess it would be more helpful if others agreed/disagreed with him
mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
August 25 2023 14:21 GMT
#317
On August 25 2023 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On August 25 2023 23:05 Koshi wrote:
On August 25 2023 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Particularly:
"Koshi due to his attempt to get himself lynched when he doesn't do that as mafia."
"Has koshi tried to get himself lynched before as either alignment?"
"Nope not that I remember"

He believes I wouldnt openly want to get lynched as mafia.
He believes I never openly said I want to get lynched as either alignment.

There is no contradiction.

We have to agree to disagree here then. Because what i see is a player who bases their reads (especially early on) fully and completely to meta. The first post would be fine if he just said "i dont think Koshi would want to get lynched as mafia like this", but instead he bases it on a meta on Koshi where Koshi has never wanted to be lynched as mafia. This does not go well with the fact that his meta suggests that "Koshi doesn't do that as any alignment". Aka it should be a null tell for him, and especially the first post he made suggesests that he should not have that conclusion about Koshi's alignment based on what he gives as a reasoning.


Have to say this is my interpretation aswell, hence why i asked the question. Should be a null read.
However I agree with marv and think his qualification about koshi in a previous game does add some weight,
There is obviously a marv attitude DLC that I haven't unlocked yet.
I would say its an uneven entry from LS so not a town read for me
mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
August 25 2023 14:47 GMT
#327
On August 25 2023 21:31 die_meatbaby wrote:
Hey good morning guys. I didn't read the thread yet. Still nice to see you all again.

Bruh
mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
August 25 2023 17:09 GMT
#354
I also have an evening of drinking and board games but I hope to post sporadically later on.

If I had to share a list of town/wouldn't lynch with some surface level reasons
VE - town for reasons earlier.

Rayn - I've agreed with a lot of his posts, I think the line of questioning on LS was reasonable.

Marv - He's a strong player he's given some good tempered responses that give a new perspective. his defence of LS and myself from Darth was good in a situation where he could have ignored it or added pressure. He has also been given some soft town reads from other players.

Koshi - Defended LS when he didn't have to, i feel like he's been more active than most.

Darth - This is tricky as I don't want to be like "you called me scummy so fuck you"... Maybe that's why he attacked me after I spoke out on his weak marv points. I feel like his push on LS came after other people had already questioned LS but it seems to be for different reasons so. Maybe it feels like going for low hanging fruit with the new guy and then LS who made a weak entry....I'm rambling here.
Either way I can't tell if Darth is scummy or just having a slightly different town game to me. being a very active but maybe less logical. He is driving things forward and giving thoughts and information out so I wouldn't want to lynch him today.

There is a lack of activity from several players, I haven't evaluated people with less than a page of filter. I didn't like Vivax or the LS entry. LS might be a good lynch as with the game split it would give some potential information.

mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
August 25 2023 20:27 GMT
#377
On August 26 2023 04:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like just for me, you guys know what I was doing with DP with that question right? TTT not knowing doesn't necessarily make him scummy, but I kinda thought I was being transparent with my actions lol


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