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On June 14 2023 17:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Marv and I are tied for smallest filter with 4 pages. Last game by the time he died he had a 26 page filter.
In my defence, activity wise, I was absent for the cycle which creates the most posts and my other half is tired of losing his gorgeous man to mafia (both mentioned pre game). But I have been active since I’ve been playing.
I won’t make any further comments on my activity level because there’s nothing else I can ever add.
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On June 14 2023 18:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
So Marv who's scum now, Chez? Maybe rayn? Hard to tell from your filter but I might be tired
Maybe and maybe, I haven’t read the lynch yet (work) but seems clear a reassessment needs to happen.
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On June 14 2023 18:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 14:38 DarthPunk wrote:
I really dont think marv is mafia FWIW.
I am not sure why anyone thinks that he is mafia.
If its for post count, he didn't play day one. and he said somewhere that he was going to post less this game. OK I found this. So you have noticed it but it's not throwing any alarm bells for you. For both you and TTT, do you guys think scum have been actively influencing either of the lynches so far or do you think they've just been sliding by letting town lynch town? Obviously TTT if you are town then scum didn't really have a lot to worry about yesterday it would seem.
If TTT is town then mafia had to do nothing yesterday.
Just looking back at day 1, mafia also didn’t have to do anything unless DP is mafia. In that scenario though, maf were playing a dangerous game as the vote numbers were very low and he could easily have been lynched “by accident” from a rogue vote or two.
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On June 14 2023 18:13 TankTopTiger wrote:
You could have left that last statement out and tested me on it MZ.
It's not clear to me whether they skated D1. It was a chaotic lynch. My money would be on that they didn't, because I find it unlikely LS, CC, and DP are all town. We shot with a flak cannon and it is just unlikely that no mafia were clipped at all. But DP did his chaos roulette thing, and I'm not sure how familiar people are with that, so whether or not they felt the need to actually step in is... Wifom basically.
D2 they breezed no question. Without having actually sifted through the votes, I think there would be more scum on my wagon. No shade on Vayo, but I wouldn't be surprised if people feared me late game more than Vayo who nobody has meta on and was mostly lurking/absent and giving unfounded reads. I pushed four cases last game and three were red. Regardless of whether that was lucky or not (it was), scum team would see me struggling early and seize the opportunity to not have to find out whether I can reproduce it.
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I don’t know much about Vayo, but from this game alone it makes a bit more sense for mafia to want to lynch TTT than Vayo
I don’t think it’s much though
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Just read the lynch and it didn’t move me much in any direction.
Slam looks worse and Chez looks better.
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On June 14 2023 18:28 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 18:26 marvellosity wrote:
I don’t know much about Vayo, but from this game alone it makes a bit more sense for mafia to want to lynch TTT than Vayo
I don’t think it’s much though I think the wagon is spread the only person suspect in my mind from vote switching day 2 is vivax.
Which only really makes sense if TTT is maf
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On June 14 2023 18:30 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 18:28 DarthPunk wrote:On June 14 2023 18:26 marvellosity wrote:
I don’t know much about Vayo, but from this game alone it makes a bit more sense for mafia to want to lynch TTT than Vayo
I don’t think it’s much though I think the wagon is spread the only person suspect in my mind from vote switching day 2 is vivax. Vivax had stated real reasons why he would rather lynch ttt over Vayo and Rayn asks him to swap and he does immediately. Hypothetically If maf were trying to keep wagons close and still lynch ttt vivax is sus.
Why?
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On June 14 2023 18:30 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 18:30 marvellosity wrote:On June 14 2023 18:28 DarthPunk wrote:On June 14 2023 18:26 marvellosity wrote:
I don’t know much about Vayo, but from this game alone it makes a bit more sense for mafia to want to lynch TTT than Vayo
I don’t think it’s much though I think the wagon is spread the only person suspect in my mind from vote switching day 2 is vivax. Which only really makes sense if TTT is maf Nah the switch back to Vayo to secure a town ! Ttt lynch.
That assumes that mafia think TTT easier to lynch than Vayo?
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On June 14 2023 18:35 DarthPunk wrote:
Marv do you also think I was wrong on Copcake?
Maybe you weren’t wrong and that’s why the game is difficult.
I’ve just been thinking about the game in overall terms. Is it that there is an “s-tier” maf player (to borrow someone else’s phrasing) smoothing the game out for maf and that’s why it’s difficult?
Or is it because the mafia are in the hard to read players and/or players that have sort of been cleared? (Eg CC)
Tbh I have been stewing on rayn’s “one mafia in MZ/Vayo” stance and at various points thought it was quite suspicious and a little lazy. But then I think about it some more and I can see exactly why a town-rayn would actually think that way because it’s one of the only ways to make sense of the game.
The post that pinged me most (not in a maf way, but made me stop and think) was rayn’s posting of Hapa’s reads. I understand how absurdly wifomy it is but it’s also really hard to just ignore
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Not now as I have meetings coming out my arse from now. I will re-look later though, I’m not sure it’s as important as I may have thought it was at the time mind you
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Meeting finished early so I flicked through LS’ filter. He’s just not mafia. Take away the blue claim and he’d be one of my strongest townreads. His stream of posts make sense (in the way that LS’ posts make sense within their own world, if that makes any sense to anyone else?). The read/vote on TTT does not feel contrived.
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On June 14 2023 19:47 TankTopTiger wrote:Obviously, I'm not communicating well. I'll write the explanation for clarity but I'm dropping it otherwise. + Show Spoiler +I'm saying that if I was cop or tracker I wouldn't have CCed. So it doesn't matter if it's possible for there to be two inspector type roles (i never thought there would be) because it's possible for there to be one and LS to still be red. If I was cop or tracker, I would have let him go and kept using my role then claim later (or claim by default when MS/NK).
All I was saying in that regard TTT is that if someone (for example) was parity cop, it would be incredibly unlikely for there to also be a tracker, even though they are technically different roles
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On June 14 2023 20:05 TankTopTiger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 19:49 marvellosity wrote:
Meeting finished early so I flicked through LS’ filter. He’s just not mafia. Take away the blue claim and he’d be one of my strongest townreads. His stream of posts make sense (in the way that LS’ posts make sense within their own world, if that makes any sense to anyone else?). The read/vote on TTT does not feel contrived. Including the fake C&P opener and being able to tell that a conversation is forced without being able to tell the direction of that force? We were just about to lynch him and now you're saying he's the greenest man alive. Any other of you vibey folk verify this read? Does it make sense? Because I can' evaluate this shit I'm not built that way and don't understand LS's meta.
I’m aware I wasn’t here but I definitely would not have been about to lynch him. I’d like to think there are extremely few people better at reading LS than me, you just have to get into his shoes
The copypasta thing is exactly the sort of reason why he gets mislynched so often
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Hapa’s a strong town player. Honestly can’t remember how he mafs
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I should be annoyed by that analysis but it’s too close
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On June 14 2023 21:31 TankTopTiger wrote:
If you want marv, after this game I would be interested in reviewing what you said that I ignored game 1. As much as I make fun of you, my tunnel on you whiffing did me psychological damage. I felt gaslit by reality tbh.
See the link that I gave rayn in this game (the LS stuff you swore blind you caught me in a lie)
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Running low on time but just in cases, however unlikely it may be:
LS
Vivax
DP
rayn
(Chez)
(Slam)
CC
TTT
MZ
rayn, most of my thinking about TTT was purely from the view of wagonomics (that’s definitely a word right?).
Some other brief stuff: I talked yesterday about how MZ’s posts during d2 felt more townie than on d1. When I go back and look, knowing Vayo was town (this clearly had an influence on me yesterday) and also looking at the unnecessarily lengthy posts on Chez (who I think looked better EOD 2 actually) I’m not entirely sure what I was thinking.
Slam actually looks bad but I’m too unsure on how to read him to place him lower. I feel like he started the game trying to sound a certain way (happier or whatever word you might choose, think I stole rayn’s one), but after that ??? My take on this is scum fatigue. I’m not super sure about this or anything but it’s harder to find the consistent town arc.
CC relatively low because I feel she handled herself in a townie way while under a lot of pressure, but she could have utilised the pressure easing to get more involved. rayn as someone who knows her irl, dunno if you have a take on this?
Rayn you are not higher because I don’t get the same vibes from you as I did last game. Tbh I would be way way more paranoid than I am right now, but I feel like if you were maf then you had a genuine chance to lynch DP d1 and could have taken it. The only world this really makes sense is if you and DP are both mafia and this doesn’t feel right
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That overnight period might be one of the wildest I’ve ever woken up to.
Slam - apologies, in my poor reading comprehension I hadn’t realised that had been happening literally now, so I row back my entire scumread. Really hope you’re okay
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