TL Endures Mafia II - Page 5

CopCake

4378 Posts

June 10 2023 09:38 GMT

#645

No, you are trying to make a narrative, the order is there.

Btw are you asking me why I didnt read rayn mafia because of the “ooofff good catch”?

CopCake

4378 Posts

June 10 2023 09:42 GMT

#646

On June 10 2023 18:36 DarthPunk wrote:
Confusion and misrepresentation are the traits of mafia.

This is not a 100% fact.

Remember how bad you called marv mafia because LS mentioned him so many times?

CopCake

4378 Posts

June 10 2023 09:42 GMT

#647

You mention absolute laws to fit narratives on your reads.

CopCake

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June 10 2023 21:59 GMT

#820

I am heeereeee (for a while)

CopCake

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June 10 2023 22:30 GMT

#861

On June 10 2023 22:57 DarthPunk wrote:

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On June 10 2023 22:47 Vivax wrote:

On June 09 2023 16:47 DarthPunk wrote:

On June 09 2023 16:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On June 09 2023 16:39 CopCake wrote:

On June 09 2023 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:

On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:

On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:

On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:
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On what?

The game in general so far?

I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.

I think LS and Rayn look bad.

this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.

What do you think?

But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽‍♀️

Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.

I think he just answered you in the post you quoted, no?

I literally went to have lunch

I dont understand what having lunch has anything with this. You asked him if he had gathered some information, which he just posted in the post you quoted.

Oooff

this is good actually.

On June 10 2023 16:36 DarthPunk wrote:
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Catch up post:

(I have been following the thread on my phone but I am using the 2 hours free time I have now to post in more detail.)

On June 09 2023 21:48 CopCake wrote:

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Dude, do you even know how much I post per game?

This is nothing lol

On June 09 2023 21:49 CopCake wrote:
Tell me darth, how much do I post per game to know what is too little or too much? :D

These posts make me think the cop cake stuff could just be a comprehension issue. I was clearly talking about myself posting less.

It does make me concerned that someone is calling someone out without reading/understanding? their filter cause I had talked about this on the front page as well.

On June 09 2023 21:51 LightningStrike wrote:

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Ya this cements how I was reading him to be honest.

This post is scummy to me, but I think LS has posted so much more this game than last, MZ states later that this could be a reaction to his failings as scum in the prior game, and that could be true, but do people adjust so fast? can LS adjust that fast? I'm not sure, following the thread I feel better about LS than last game at this point I guess?

I think he might just post in a way that is traditionally scummy. the real thing to look for is engagement levels, and they seem to be higher, but I also don't see him analysing things or scum hunting. Is LS able to do those things as town?

On June 09 2023 21:51 TankTopTiger wrote:
FWIW I don't care at all for any argument based on post-count, I'd ignore if for now if DP doesn't expand upon it.

Find it weird that TTT did not read the post properly either.

On June 09 2023 21:51 CopCake wrote:

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On June 09 2023 21:36 DarthPunk wrote:

On June 09 2023 21:30 CopCake wrote:

On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:

On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:

On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:

On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:

On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:

On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:

On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:
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I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.

I think LS and Rayn look bad.

this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.

What do you think?

But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽‍♀️

Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.

Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.

I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.

Now your turn.

But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?

I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?

Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.

Are you reading the thread?

Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?

You are not operating in good faith.

I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn

Why do you not know this??

- someone else -

Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me.

Is this hard to understand?

You do t understand clearly.

I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol.

But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info.

So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps?

Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions.

So my only assumption is that either:

1.) you have not read or understood the thread

or

2.) You have read and understood and are not operating in good faith

And BTW it has been hours and you have repeatedly ignored the question I have asked about why you think Rayn was town so early in the game, particularly when rayn said in the OBS thread from last game you always think he is scummy.

No by the time, you didn't answer my slam question which I needed, so you are just fabricating a scenario here.

I invite EVERYONE to read my filter.

Yep, either willful ignorance or straight up ignorant (see my big post on the matter)

On June 09 2023 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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wtf? how can you misread "getting someone angry" into "getting angry"?
Do you think i was getting angry or are you just sheeping marv's shit?

How you ask? Its midnight, I'm phone posting in bed and I was drunk.

I wasn't sheeping marvs shit, I was saying, if Marv thought that, it would be reasonable for others to also think this, but yeah just misread it. Lol.

On June 09 2023 22:44 LightningStrike wrote:

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I just checked this more into detail and yep he finally answered your question in #187 regarding his read on Slam.

On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.-

These two posts are absolutely not aligned, first is 'look i am participating I get whats happening' second is "yeah so confusing."

Actually LS is sheeping rayn hard

On June 09 2023 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
that being said the thing between DP and Cake is so convoluted i can't comprehend even when reading their filters... Make it easier to understand if you think one is mafia pls.

Then

On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.-

Like rayn is clearly trying to get somewhere in the mess, LS is just trying to be part of it without actually adding things?

On June 09 2023 22:48 LightningStrike wrote:

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That has to be the only explanation otherwise this just shitting up the thread for very little reason. Again this is making my head spin -.-

More rayn sheep. Pretty gross.

This post by Vivax is WILD!

On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Had a nice nap after almost being choked to death in my sleep tonight.

On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it. His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake.

I‘d also add that the way rayn followed into DPs footsteps in regards to Cake felt forced and hedgy.

Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on.

With that in mind and them not giving off the same energy as last game where at least rayn seemed like an easy townlean, Cake gets my axe for wagonomical reasons til I get to decide if rayn isn‘t a better lynch for the way he got smacked into submission by DP.

##Vote DarthPunk

Something about Ttts entrance also rubbed me the wrong way as it felt like they were evaluating the dp-cop interaction from the sidelines as an opener that suggested they wanted to play it safe.

On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it.

This partis just straight up untrue. I never town read LS on face value, I call that post out for feeling crafted, and guess what, Copypasta. It was.

On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake.

What questions? the one I did at the start of the game to get shit going? no idea what this means TBH

On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on.

I never mentioned her lunch. the thing we both saw was a narrative of suspicions cast at me which relied on a super early town read of rayn that didn;t make sense based on the stated meta of her scum reading rayn.

And then she refused to elaborate on this town read.

Yeah shit post Vivax TBH.
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On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced?

Now LS sheeps vivax's take of the cupcake /Dp battle feeling forced. But its cast as his own idea?

He knows someone else feels that way, vivax just posted that exact sentiment.

Bad, bad, bad.

On June 10 2023 04:17 Hapahauli wrote:

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I don’t think forcing a case is alignment indicative in an early game context.

Stuff like him refusing to read Chez’s wall of text and then reading said wall anyway tells me he was just bored early game and doing random shit.

Wrong, its actually pro town (not that the case on CC is particularly forced IMO) I feel fairly comfortable taking heat from people and provoking activity at the cost of some mild defending.

I definitely have been the driver of a lot of activity and forcing people to take positions early in day one which is certainly pro town.

You're right in regard to me though, I could probably still do this as mafia.

On June 10 2023 05:30 Vivax wrote:

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Yes it is anxious and crafted. It‘s not from this world or era. It‘s pasta, copy..pasta.

Do you think that‘s not revenant, DP ? Do you really think that ?

Yep, that is why I scum read him for it immediately. lol.

On June 10 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
whoever said vivax is mafia is probably mafia.

that's my best read atm

Bad.

On June 10 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
whoever said vivax is mafia is probably mafia.

that's my best read atm

Initially I thought hapa didn't do enough to establish himself as town when he entered the game, particularly if he prides himself as being easy to read (and from memory this was very true when he was town 7 years ago)

But the second read through he seems better to me, just feels very relaxed.

On June 10 2023 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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Chezinu is a good hunter of power roles as mafia, and has a "blue/red sickness" as town, which means people tend to play more cautiously when they are a power role rather than vanilla, and Chezinu recognizes that (and thinks it's mafia because mafia also plays more carefully).

Vivax is not blue, never fucking ever in this game, so Chezinu has to be mafia because he i voting for Vivax and Vivax doesn't even look scummy at all.

The problem with this is that I don't think he read his role PM.

On June 10 2023 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think lynching LS is the way here though

Agree at this point in my read through.

On June 10 2023 06:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Ok if I have to choose out of Darth and CopCake who is mafia more likely Darth? CopCake didn't lie about her stuff towards him and Darth really made something out of nothing for no reason?

Bad.

On June 10 2023 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you have to choose?

Exactly.

On June 10 2023 06:14 LightningStrike wrote:

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1 of them is mafia the other is town. It felt to forced from one side (IE how I caught a mafia player in the past and was correct on who). This is usually what happens when 1 person is town the other is mafia.

Where the fuck did this come from?

On June 10 2023 06:21 Vivax wrote:
I‘m like 90% sure LS is mind boggingly town after a skim.
And y‘all thought you were good.

Is this only for activity levels? YOu also thought he was town last game FWIW.

And were very wrong.

On June 10 2023 06:22 LightningStrike wrote:

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Darth does but he's not here.

And it's only gotten worse as I read through I am afraid.

On June 10 2023 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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i am going to agree, even if i dont want to.

WTF?! Why the backflip.

On June 10 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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I dont think iam gonna get around of this any more.
"I think one is scum but i cant specify which just one is or for what reasons!!"

##unvote Chezinu
##vote LightningStrike

sorry vivax i think this is it.

Nevermind.

On June 10 2023 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm idk i think i let Hapa off too easy, it as kinda bad after all what he posted..

Bad does not equal scum. Otherwise Vivax is 1000% mafia in this spot.

On June 10 2023 09:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
I finished work right now... and wow much to read. I was just fast reading and have to read it again more accurately after some sleep, but what I got so far is
Vivax is posting a lot of bullshit nonsense
MZ writes bad as last game
LS seems suspect for me
Rayn seems always suspect for me so I can't make a opinion on him.
TTT Strong Townread
Marv is okey for now
Chez is Chez. I still think he is not human. His account is a first AI try for scum maybe.
And I have to Filter everyone I didn't mention here.

I like DMB this game, not that I agree with all her reads, just reminds me of the end of last game a bit, like she is reading and comprehending what is actually happening. Not pretending to. Thats like 75th percentile play at this juncture.

On June 10 2023 12:26 LightningStrike wrote:

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I was scum hunting by asking questions about people trying to come up with my own conclusions? I did come up with my own conclusions and was some of posting them.

Actually you were sheeping strong players. HARD.

This is just so not true.

On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.

Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in.

This is the big reason to scum read cop cake, she was paranoid as fuck in the obs thread, and it makes no sense for her to say, I was wrong last game and now I think you are town.

I also think the way I enter games tends to draw out interest from scum trying to start a wagon on me, it's a great way of getting reads IMO.

Then how should I read this ? Didn't her lunch make you go Oooff when rayn pointed it out? Do you skip lunches, Darth Punk ? Do you discriminate against Mexican cuisine is that what you want to say?

If you are town I better see you gulp down two sushi burritos in a row or else.

The oof was the fact that she was asking for information which was answered in the post quoted.

Which meant a lot more to me in that moment than subsequently because I was not considering the slam thing.

So why are you saying I am mafia? Because I should be paranoid of rayn? I should call him mafia all the time? Because in ONE single obs discord chat you came to that conslusion and make it an absolute truth?

When rayn quoted that and you “ooooffffed” me it felt very opportunistic, very very and even worse after i explained that you didnt answer the slam thing. It felt like if you were a wolf from those old vintage disney cartoons wolves that got happy because he saw fresh meat.

CopCake

4378 Posts

June 10 2023 22:34 GMT

#870

On June 11 2023 07:17 Hapahauli wrote:
ALso where did Cake go? Wasn't she here a minute ago?

I was reading DP’s filter

CopCake

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June 10 2023 22:39 GMT

#885

On June 10 2023 23:40 DarthPunk wrote:

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The story of this game honestly. It seems like the only one actually reading properly is dmb and then she scum reads me for literally no reason. So sad.

I hate this kind of posts, so rayn doesnt read good, neither TTT

CopCake

4378 Posts

June 10 2023 22:46 GMT

#902

On June 11 2023 06:56 DarthPunk wrote:

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Do you think MZ was lying about being a bottle of wine deep and having personal issues?

How is this relevant? I am sorry, I would have asked what do you think of his posts instead of mentioning drink and personal issues. I don’t think anyone would lie about serious stuff in a mafia game.

CopCake

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June 10 2023 22:47 GMT

#903

Like shockey did a lot of meeeeetiinggsss but that was funny.

CopCake

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June 10 2023 22:51 GMT

#908

Ok now to read the thread properly

CopCake

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June 10 2023 22:58 GMT

#914

Ok DP, if I live in a world you are town, do you think TTT has the power to manipulate you and play you?

CopCake

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June 11 2023 08:43 GMT

#1101

-______-

Not gonna lie, I love the irony but damn :/

Baby I hope you continue to play <3

CopCake

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June 11 2023 08:45 GMT

#1102

On June 11 2023 11:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count

die_meatbaby (4): raynpelikoneet, ~~Vivax~~, ~~Hapahauli~~, ~~DarthPunk~~, ~~TankTopTiger~~, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby, TankTopTiger, ~~Hapahauli~~
DarthPunk (3): CopCake, ~~Vivax~~, ~~die_meatbaby~~, LightningStrike, ~~Vivax~~, Vivax
Vayoletta (1): ~~DarthPunk~~, Meapak_Ziphh, ~~DarthPunk~~
Raynpelikoneet (1): Chezinu
Meapak_Ziphh (1): ~~Hapahauli~~, ~~die_meatbaby~~, Hapahauli
LightningStrike (0): ~~raynpelikoneet~~, ~~DarthPunk~~, ~~TankTopTiger~~
CopCake (0): ~~DarthPunk~~, ~~TankTopTiger~~, ~~Alakaslam~~
Chezinu (0): ~~raynpelikoneet~~
Vivax (0): ~~Chezinu~~

Not Voting (3): marvellosity, Vayoletta, DarthPunk

With 4 votes, die_meatbaby has been lynched!

Is thus correct? DP didnt vote?

CopCake

4378 Posts

June 11 2023 08:55 GMT

#1104

Yeah I went to check and he voted exactly at 00

CopCake

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June 11 2023 09:26 GMT

#1105

DP, why did you ask if MZ “drunk post” was real but when he was here you didn’t even care?

Why did you believe Baby was being honest instantly but MZ could be faking?

CopCake

4378 Posts

June 11 2023 10:44 GMT

#1123

On June 11 2023 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DP can you look at TTT's filter for me and tell me what you think? He seems to be saying Cake is mafia for having such a strong town read on me every time she talks about Cake, but every time he talks with me the conversation ends in "okay if you know each other i see your point and that's not why i think Cake is mafia". It's really absurd.

Cake comeon, do you really still think DP is mafia??? If you can't process what happened especially towards eod1 you're either insane or mafia if this read still sticks.

???????

Can’t mafia fake to try to save someone and then be “i told you so”? Or what I am not seeing right here? Please elaborate. Because I am tunelled.

CopCake

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June 11 2023 10:49 GMT

#1124

On June 11 2023 07:58 CopCake wrote:
Ok DP, if I live in a world you are town, do you think TTT has the power to manipulate you and play you?

This was my last post before I fell asleep.

Can you answer me Darth?

CopCake

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June 11 2023 10:57 GMT

#1126

On June 11 2023 19:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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save someone to lynch themselves??????
you realise if DMB would not be lynched DP would most likely..

He didnt want to lynch dmb, tho.

He was proposing to lynch Vayoletta.

CopCake

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June 11 2023 11:18 GMT

#1128

Ok, now I get your point. You think mafia DP would have sit and be quiet and let Dmb die instead of trying to save her because if not, it was more likely he would be lynched.

CopCake

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June 11 2023 11:41 GMT

#1132

On June 11 2023 20:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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Exactly, not necessarily be quiet but not to advocate another lynch that strongly. The only way i can see that, is if DP somehow figured out DMB is blue and made an educated guess DMB is gonna claim and then he HAS to try to lynch someone else. I don't know if that's true and i would need to check better since it seemed like noone thought DMB is blue.

He said that Dmb is the only one that “reads” and he took time to read chezinu. Nevertheless, that doesn’t confirm he figured out she was blue.

And even if he did figured out and she claimed, he was the lynch pretty much. (Most likely)

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