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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 13 2023 21:37 GMT
#1697
On June 14 2023 06:17 Vayoletta wrote:
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On June 14 2023 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:01 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is MZ less likely to be mafia than marv?


Is this to me? I ranked from most wolfy to least wolfy, so MZ is wolfier in that list.

Okay then the other way around, why is marv more likely to be mafia than Vivax?
You realise aside from marv's read on you and vice versa, you are both entertaining the same scum team (Chezinu + TTT)?


Hapahauli's read on MZ makes him the clearest wolf on my wagon, but I do reckon that's wifom.

I also think that Marvel voting me makes sense with his progression, so that also takes him above MZ here.

Yes i can see that but why marv mafia over Vivax?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 13 2023 22:16 GMT
#1701
I don't really think Vayo's answers are scummy.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 13 2023 23:09 GMT
#1718
On June 14 2023 08:02 Vivax wrote:
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On June 14 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like especially TTT's last game D2 was really amazing, he considers new evidence and comes to very reasonable and correct conclusions. This game is like he downgraded himself like 50 levels.


Why though ? Do you have the information to be the judge of that ?

What? I have already made a case on him. Even if Cake is mafia the way he handles the case on her is absolutely terrible.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 14 2023 00:12 GMT
#1748
On June 14 2023 08:58 Vayoletta wrote:
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On June 14 2023 08:54 TankTopTiger wrote:
I gtg, here's my take on vayo who I'm voting


I'm going to vote Vayo and not just because my survival depends on it. This is how I see them chronologically:
1) They lurk
2) I refuse to policy lynch them
3) They finally give reads after the lynch
4) The reads have very little justification. Spefically, Hap and Marv have poor jutsification.
5) I ask them to expand on their read
6) They ignore me
7) Other shit happens, I get overwhelmed and leave
8) They begin to suspect me based on me leaving, when in fact I am absent, after I tried to engage, and they ignored me.




You managed to appear right when I’m leaving. Time for me to head to sleep.

If I die, PoE tomorrow is TTT/Chez/MZ/Marvel.

I believe the three wolves are in that group.

I think it's a quite good PoE. I'm sorry i don't think i can do anything here to help you. :/
Good thing is a lot of people have put themselves into position that's hard to get off as mafia. Or maybe i am, if you're atually mafai.

So please do not be mafia, for ONCE i townread you in a game lol.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 14 2023 00:30 GMT
#1758
Vivax please switcherino?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 14 2023 00:34 GMT
#1759
On June 14 2023 08:54 TankTopTiger wrote:
I gtg, here's my take on vayo who I'm voting


I'm going to vote Vayo and not just because my survival depends on it. This is how I see them chronologically:
1) They lurk
2) I refuse to policy lynch them
3) They finally give reads after the lynch
4) The reads have very little justification. Spefically, Hap and Marv have poor jutsification.
5) I ask them to expand on their read
6) They ignore me
7) Other shit happens, I get overwhelmed and leave
8) They begin to suspect me based on me leaving, when in fact I am absent, after I tried to engage, and they ignored me.



Yeah Hapa was probably killed because his reads were bad, totes agree!!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 14 2023 00:43 GMT
#1767
Well whatever, you do what you want anyways. Hopefully i die next night.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 14 2023 00:45 GMT
#1772
On June 14 2023 09:44 Vivax wrote:
I switched cause rayn asked, let‘s see if my arguments had any merit.

Well you were too late, now it's up to Slam.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 14 2023 00:49 GMT
#1783
On June 14 2023 09:46 DarthPunk wrote:
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On June 14 2023 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2023 09:44 Vivax wrote:
I switched cause rayn asked, let‘s see if my arguments had any merit.

Well you were too late, now it's up to Slam.


I'm not locked in here for what its worth. I'm still open to both lynches. I'm just trying to find the best of two reasonable options.

Look at who you are voting with and who you aren't.
Obviously if both are mafia it doesn't mean shit, but if they aren't....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 14 2023 00:52 GMT
#1786
On June 11 2023 06:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I could lynch TTT. Really not a fan of how his reads have evolved over the course of Day 1. I think he has gone after LightningSTrike and CopCake very opportunistically, constantly, throughout the day.

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On June 10 2023 22:48 TankTopTiger wrote:
##Vote: CC

I was holding off on voting because I felt too clouted up and didn't want people to wagon before developing reads. I'm voting CC based on her town reading Rayn from moment one.

I know DP IRL and we play together. We've clashed over these sorts of games before, and I fear those clashes more than I care about playing 100% optimal. But this never means assuming he's town. Instead, it means I give him the benefit of the doubt, and try to not be paranoid about "what if he's 400IQmafiabossing me rn?". While I expect different people have different approaches to how to play around relationship dynamics, I don't see a world in which the answer for CC is "just assume Rayn town".

Also, out of everyone, I want DP and Rayn alive D2. They were both crucial driving forces D1, and I have a green read on both. People upset about DP "forcing" and "playing different" should know that his claim of being time-stressed checks out (I'm verifying it now). His aggressive play was consistent between his pushing on Rayn and then CC, and makes sense given he's trying to contribute during the windows he has available.


I think this vote on CopCake in particular is egregious, because he is accusing CopCake of giving Rayn the "Benefit of the Doubt" while essentially doing the same thing with DarthPunk. Looking at what he has said about his DarthPunk read, it is essentially that he is "playing different" and that he has a plausible IRL claim, but he hasn't elaborated on that at all.


On June 11 2023 10:57 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote MZ

Just gonna put my money where my mouth is in case it is viable.

Am watching the votecount just in case.

On June 11 2023 11:14 Hapahauli wrote:
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On June 11 2023 11:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 11 2023 11:11 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 11 2023 11:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
The irony is thick.

And you all are morons for not listening to me.


I"m sorry we should have tunnelled the un cc'd tracker all day. A better alternative.

Congrats on not reading the thread for the last 2+ hours. We can lynch you tomorrow.


You are straight up lying if you're suggesting you weren't tunneling LS literally the whole day. You were suggesting lynching him until the second he claimed.


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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 14 2023 01:26 GMT
#1807
On June 14 2023 10:06 DarthPunk wrote:
I could actually lynch MZ in this spot I think. I think what hapa said about his aggressive tone continues to be right, and is a marked difference from his play last game, even when he was under rpessure.

You realise if MZ is mafia then Vayoletta is certainly town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 14 2023 01:27 GMT
#1810
The reason why i am not more vocal against this lynch is because in my world exactly one of MZ & Vayois mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 14 2023 01:47 GMT
#1821
On June 14 2023 10:42 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn am I just super tunnelled and incorrect on copcake?

I think you are.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 14 2023 01:49 GMT
#1823
On June 14 2023 10:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On June 14 2023 10:42 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn am I just super tunnelled and incorrect on copcake?

I think you are.

If Cake is mafia that means TTT is town, why is Hapa dead and not let's say you?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 14 2023 03:59 GMT
#1836
Well...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 14 2023 04:08 GMT
#1839
Yes
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 14 2023 13:46 GMT
#1983
Vivax are you gonna be around in the evening? like ~midnight cest?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 14 2023 13:49 GMT
#1984
sorry 11pm cest
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 14 2023 19:43 GMT
#1988
On June 14 2023 23:16 Vivax wrote:
Very likely yes

Alright i am here now. Have you changed your read on TTT?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 14 2023 20:05 GMT
#1990
Alright. I am a little bit confused about how after Vayo flips town suddenly the group of DP, marv and MZ are like "oh well maybe TTT is not mafia". Do you have any explanation on that? I don't even find his posts very compelling this night phase.
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