Ping me on Discord when this starts or I will not remember I signed up and randomly come back in 18 or so months and remember that I signed up for this...
Is there a TL mafia discord? Can I score an invite?
I am really looking forward to playing with you all again!
Before I get my role, there are a couple of things that I would like to raise prior to commencement.
I won't be using meta reads, as they would not be contemporaneous.
My own meta is very likely to be different and I doubt I will be as 'aggressive' as past games and this is unlikely to be indicative of an alignment one way or another.
On May 23 2023 18:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk, i always end up posting a lot even when i am busy. Americans are probably sleeping i think(?). Euros working. I agree it's boring though, for once i can actually play more than usual in the last couple of years.
I work for the government now and I just check the thread and post while I’m at the office lol. Understandable that others are busy though.
On May 23 2023 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: If we were playing a game between the people who have posted who would you lynch and who would you doc right now?
I would try and lynch Marv and see what happens. I’m breaking my own meta rule but I think that is likely to produce a lot of something that may be alignment indicative. Also would just be good fun.
I would want the doc on myself obviously, but otherwise I don’t have a good town read.
When I posted about activity I was hoping to see who would post in response and was lurking as that can be a sensitive topic for mafia that need to seem productive or match their town play.
You and vivax both responded immediately but that isn’t meaningful with so little to engage with more just a starting point.
On May 23 2023 18:51 marvellosity wrote: So how did the meta evolve since I last played?
- Slam can spam now two pages by himself instead of one - Koshi is even better D1, "random" gutreads always good, almost always mafia - Idk what else, i didn't roll town for almost two years i think
Gut reads make sense in a smaller pool of players who play games often together might be worse with others who he hasn’t played with in a while.
On May 23 2023 18:51 marvellosity wrote: So how did the meta evolve since I last played?
- Slam can spam now two pages by himself instead of one - Koshi is even better D1, "random" gutreads always good, almost always mafia - Idk what else, i didn't roll town for almost two years i think
Still sad about this ? I assume all your woes have ended with a nice town role this game 😉
On May 23 2023 19:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi I'm here. Being able to read the whole thread in one sitting is...novel.
What's in here is all right. I'm a little weirded out by DP wanting to lynch marv right away, it's inherently unhelpful as A) marv hasn't historically been moved by pressure, especially on D1, and B) has marv like ever been lynched on D1? Like, idk I haven't played in a decade but as I recall he has vet shielding as someone who can solve the game later. Is that the joke? Was DP literally just being funny? Meh.
I'm suspicious of DP. Also thanks DP for inviting me to play. <3
Lol. To be fair the answer was in response to an arbitrary hypothetical.
But I stand by my assertion that lynching Marv in that scenario makes sense as I think it will be important to discover his alignment and I think pressuring him is likely to result in that occurring.
Also you are welcome for the invite. I’m glad you joined. Sorry I missed your earlier message. 😂
On May 23 2023 19:12 VisceraEyes wrote: What's in here is all right. I'm a little weirded out by DP wanting to lynch marv right away, it's inherently unhelpful as A) marv hasn't historically been moved by pressure, especially on D1, and B) has marv like ever been lynched on D1? Like, idk I haven't played in a decade but as I recall he has vet shielding as someone who can solve the game later. Is that the joke? Was DP literally just being funny? Meh.
A) he doesnt actually want to lynch marv, just pressure because it would:
On May 23 2023 19:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi I'm here. Being able to read the whole thread in one sitting is...novel.
What's in here is all right. I'm a little weirded out by DP wanting to lynch marv right away, it's inherently unhelpful as A) marv hasn't historically been moved by pressure, especially on D1, and B) has marv like ever been lynched on D1? Like, idk I haven't played in a decade but as I recall he has vet shielding as someone who can solve the game later. Is that the joke? Was DP literally just being funny? Meh.
I'm suspicious of DP. Also thanks DP for inviting me to play. <3
Sounds a bit sensible for my liking
Care to elaborate why though? I don't agree with a lot in the content of the post but i have a similar conclusion about DP's alignment atm. I would rather call him mafia (as i would you as well), than town.
Care to share how you don’t agree with the content but arrive at the same conclusions?
On May 23 2023 19:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi I'm here. Being able to read the whole thread in one sitting is...novel.
What's in here is all right. I'm a little weirded out by DP wanting to lynch marv right away, it's inherently unhelpful as A) marv hasn't historically been moved by pressure, especially on D1, and B) has marv like ever been lynched on D1? Like, idk I haven't played in a decade but as I recall he has vet shielding as someone who can solve the game later. Is that the joke? Was DP literally just being funny? Meh.
I'm suspicious of DP. Also thanks DP for inviting me to play. <3
To be fair the answer was in response to an arbitrary hypothetical.
I hear you, but being that it's a hypothetical it feels like a town DP would be less hedgy, hence the sus. Anyway I'm not interested in lynching you TODAY because you're like, here generating content. Which is sorely lacking for an 8 hour old game if memory serves?
Yeah I specifically addressed meta stuff because I happily learned emotional intelligence during the past 7 years and managed a team of 30 which of course requires one to become more conciliatory than telling people they are fucking retarded for example, so I feel my communication has become less… direct, let’s say, over the years
On May 23 2023 19:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi I'm here. Being able to read the whole thread in one sitting is...novel.
What's in here is all right. I'm a little weirded out by DP wanting to lynch marv right away, it's inherently unhelpful as A) marv hasn't historically been moved by pressure, especially on D1, and B) has marv like ever been lynched on D1? Like, idk I haven't played in a decade but as I recall he has vet shielding as someone who can solve the game later. Is that the joke? Was DP literally just being funny? Meh.
I'm suspicious of DP. Also thanks DP for inviting me to play. <3
Sounds a bit sensible for my liking
Care to elaborate why though? I don't agree with a lot in the content of the post but i have a similar conclusion about DP's alignment atm. I would rather call him mafia (as i would you as well), than town.
Care to share how you don’t agree with the content but arrive at the same conclusions?
You would want to pressure marv (and you don't think he is town), to gain so vital information from him or others, but you don't want to do that too. At least you aren't doing that if you in fact want to do that.
I’ll clarify as I’m not sure if I was clear enough previously. In the hypothetical scenario you posed at the time you posted it I would try and lynch Marv to determine information regarding his alignment. This implies obviously that I don’t know his alignment.
I can kind of see where you are coming from in terms of why don’t you pressure Marv then? reasons.
1.) Marv is posting now
2.) we aren’t in the hypothetical that you laid out and there is enough information to play the game.
3.) the fact I stated it openly reduces the effectiveness of pressuring Marv
On May 23 2023 19:40 Koshi wrote: Personally I would vote Vivax. He got you into this game, only fair you vote him out. Balanced.
I think she got 2 out of 2 wrong though.
Why do you think this??
Because i think Vivax is town.
I know I ignored your question to me, but why?
Because he paid attention to something i said, in which not most of the people should even pay attention. :D
Not a clear cut but yeah still the strongest read of mine as per now.
Okay, I mildly liked his comment about you being a bit ‘short breathed vibe wise’ (not that I necessarily agree with that), was curious if it was the same reason
On May 23 2023 19:36 die_meatbaby wrote: The mafia talks to the other mafia right? On Discord or somewhere else and this two always answering at the same time here.
If you were mafia, would you post at the same time on this thread if you were discussing the game with your mafia buddies on Discord at the same time?
On May 23 2023 20:18 Koshi wrote: People townreading newbies because they show any sassyness is not good.
Not the only reason to town read her. She is acting with suspicion and I think it makes sense that those suspicions would be centred towards someone she feels comfortable with outside the game.
I think she is acting like a normal new town player would reasonably act and therefore the simplest and most likely explanation is that this is because she is in fact town.
On May 23 2023 20:18 marvellosity wrote: It has to be the plan to get meatbaby to explain their thoughts wherever possible. If town, will eliminate a lynch that mafia will have pencilled in. If not, great.
Is this a serious point? If so can you expand upon your thinking here?
On May 23 2023 20:01 DarthPunk wrote: Vivax has your friend played previously?
She wrote that she didn't ಠ_ಠ
I explained a bunch of basics pre-game, mostly what is cheating and whatnot and how to avoid it, but I'd wager she's rather clueless about what to do at all at this point.
Also I assume most of her posts about me by now are teases.
I have no read on rayn at this point. In case you thought the short-breathed thing still held any relevance.
I think at this point your are just scared to be voted out on the first day
Remeber playing Poker with me? You will lose no matter which game you play with me and that you are def. mafia it makes it easier for me too
Why not carry Vivax to a town victory? Feels so opposite and the italic part reads as justification for being opposite.
Can she really feel so strong on Mafia!Vivax?
Ok I went back and reread this and there is an implication that she knows they are opposite alignments.
I assumed/ interpreted that she equated lynching him with beating him. Or winning but I think Koshi is really switched on here.
On May 23 2023 20:01 DarthPunk wrote: Vivax has your friend played previously?
She wrote that she didn't ಠ_ಠ
I explained a bunch of basics pre-game, mostly what is cheating and whatnot and how to avoid it, but I'd wager she's rather clueless about what to do at all at this point.
Also I assume most of her posts about me by now are teases.
I have no read on rayn at this point. In case you thought the short-breathed thing still held any relevance.
I think at this point your are just scared to be voted out on the first day
Remeber playing Poker with me? You will lose no matter which game you play with me and that you are def. mafia it makes it easier for me too
Why not carry Vivax to a town victory? Feels so opposite and the italic part reads as justification for being opposite.
Can she really feel so strong on Mafia!Vivax?
Ok I went back and reread this and there is an implication that she knows they are opposite alignments.
I assumed/ interpreted that she equated lynching him with beating him. Or winning but I think Koshi is really switched on here.
I do think it could just be I’m going to lunch you and then I win. So I don’t think it’s a huge slip.
On May 23 2023 20:18 marvellosity wrote: It has to be the plan to get meatbaby to explain their thoughts wherever possible. If town, will eliminate a lynch that mafia will have pencilled in. If not, great.
Is this a serious point? If so can you expand upon your thinking here?
Of course it’s serious, and it’s self explanatory. Which bit aren’t you getting?
Whose plan? I guess none of it makes sense . It seems like you are making an associative case are they mafia together? Otherwise are you talking about a game plan between vivax and meat baby from before the game?
None of the explanations really cause that post to add anything to lynching the correct person or catching mafia. feels weaker / less of a sharp contribution than I would expect
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
Same question for DP.
I feel like I have covered this. I like Koshi pointing it out. I think it was sharp and causes me to reconsider town status for meat baby.
It also reminds me of my partner and I when we are competitive playing a board game or similar.
At this point I’d like to see what vivax has to add and go from there.
On May 23 2023 20:18 marvellosity wrote: It has to be the plan to get meatbaby to explain their thoughts wherever possible. If town, will eliminate a lynch that mafia will have pencilled in. If not, great.
Is this a serious point? If so can you expand upon your thinking here?
Of course it’s serious, and it’s self explanatory. Which bit aren’t you getting?
Whose plan? I guess none of it makes sense . It seems like you are making an associative case are they mafia together? Otherwise are you talking about a game plan between vivax and meat baby from before the game?
None of the explanations really cause that post to add anything to lynching the correct person or catching mafia. feels weaker / less of a sharp contribution than I would expect
Literally none of this bud :p
I am saying town (as a collective entity) should make a big effort to discern MB’s alignment by getting her to explain her thoughts. If she is town, mafia will really be wanting her to be one of their (town) lynches so it would be great to eliminate that. If she is mafia, we should be able to pull that out as well. I.e win win
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
On May 23 2023 20:18 marvellosity wrote: It has to be the plan to get meatbaby to explain their thoughts wherever possible. If town, will eliminate a lynch that mafia will have pencilled in. If not, great.
Is this a serious point? If so can you expand upon your thinking here?
Of course it’s serious, and it’s self explanatory. Which bit aren’t you getting?
Whose plan? I guess none of it makes sense . It seems like you are making an associative case are they mafia together? Otherwise are you talking about a game plan between vivax and meat baby from before the game?
None of the explanations really cause that post to add anything to lynching the correct person or catching mafia. feels weaker / less of a sharp contribution than I would expect
Literally none of this bud :p
I am saying town (as a collective entity) should make a big effort to discern MB’s alignment by getting her to explain her thoughts. If she is town, mafia will really be wanting her to be one of their (town) lynches so it would be great to eliminate that. If she is mafia, we should be able to pull that out as well. I.e win win
yes. even i got this and i am smarter than DP... wait.. :D
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
On May 23 2023 20:15 DarthPunk wrote: Ok die meat baby is a hard town read at this point fwiw.
i agree here
Why did you agree here? Do you still agree?
no i agreed wrong
What were your reasons for agreeing??
intentionally probably mostly same as yours. She was being active and with "no fear", also accusing two people from which one i know to be town and another one i assume(d) is town, and she latched on that one instead of me, and didn't let go.
So you changed your mind based on that post she made regarding beating vivax?
On May 23 2023 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.
I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident.
I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information.
But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now.
On May 23 2023 20:15 DarthPunk wrote: Ok die meat baby is a hard town read at this point fwiw.
i agree here
Why did you agree here? Do you still agree?
no i agreed wrong
What were your reasons for agreeing??
intentionally probably mostly same as yours. She was being active and with "no fear", also accusing two people from which one i know to be town and another one i assume(d) is town, and she latched on that one instead of me, and didn't let go.
So you changed your mind based on that post she made regarding beating vivax?
I changed my mind based on the post Koshi made, that made me realise i could be wrong, because that post made sense.
But then you seemed incredulous that I made the same read for the same reasons? Or did you expect me to read koshis post and flip like you?
On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.
I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident.
I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information.
But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now.
On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
If it’s not plausible, then you should be sure?
If it is plausible (which it is) then I’m right.
I am sorry if i am not that good at english. I think there is a possibility Vivax and die_meatballs had such an interaction somewhere before, she thinks Vivax is mafia now without a doubt. I just dont thin it is likely, but still i would like her to explain her stance before i cast my (even first) vote.
Goodio?
It wasn’t quite what I was getting at though. What I meant is I can envisage that a town MB could treat Vivax in this way based on their general relationship outside of this thread.
On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.
I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident.
I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information.
But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now.
All a bit weak sauce, the whole post.
Ditto. does it make me mafia. If so why?? I think it’s fair to be critical but what specifically is wrong or causes me to be mafia.
I can play badly as either alignment but playing badly does not cause me to be mafia.
On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote: [quote] If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.
I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident.
I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information.
But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now.
All a bit weak sauce, the whole post.
Ditto. does it make me mafia. If so why?? I think it’s fair to be critical but what specifically is wrong or causes me to be mafia.
I can play badly as either alignment but playing badly does not cause me to be mafia.
Are you actually asking me why TMI would be alignment indicative?
On May 23 2023 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
If it’s not plausible, then you should be sure?
If it is plausible (which it is) then I’m right.
I am sorry if i am not that good at english. I think there is a possibility Vivax and die_meatballs had such an interaction somewhere before, she thinks Vivax is mafia now without a doubt. I just dont thin it is likely, but still i would like her to explain her stance before i cast my (even first) vote.
Goodio?
It wasn’t quite what I was getting at though. What I meant is I can envisage that a town MB could treat Vivax in this way based on their general relationship outside of this thread.
I agree with this.
but this is so bad... which one of you is bad? one is mafia one is bad.
IT DOESNT SAY WHY SHE THINKS VIVAX IS MAFIA WITH ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE??????
We should wait to see why she thinks he is mafia and what vivax thinks. But mindless aggression or competitiveness with a partner or friend is possible. I have literally lynched my irl friend in a game on til to flex.
On May 23 2023 22:11 Vivax wrote: Crunching a few pages before I seek productivity irl.
On May 23 2023 19:49 Koshi wrote:
On May 23 2023 19:47 die_meatbaby wrote:
On May 23 2023 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2023 19:40 Koshi wrote: Personally I would vote Vivax. He got you into this game, only fair you vote him out. Balanced.
I think she got 2 out of 2 wrong though.
only mafia would say this....
Also, Vivax and rayn aren't posting together anymore. They probably discussed this on Discord after you caught them.
Yes
On May 23 2023 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On May 23 2023 20:12 die_meatbaby wrote:
On May 23 2023 20:08 Vivax wrote:
On May 23 2023 20:01 DarthPunk wrote: Vivax has your friend played previously?
She wrote that she didn't ಠ_ಠ
I explained a bunch of basics pre-game, mostly what is cheating and whatnot and how to avoid it, but I'd wager she's rather clueless about what to do at all at this point.
Also I assume most of her posts about me by now are teases.
I have no read on rayn at this point. In case you thought the short-breathed thing still held any relevance.
I think at this point your are just scared to be voted out on the first day
Remeber playing Poker with me? You will lose no matter which game you play with me and that you are def. mafia it makes it easier for me too
Why not carry Vivax to a town victory? Feels so opposite and the italic part reads as justification for being opposite.
Can she really feel so strong on Mafia!Vivax?
I'm more hedgy than with others on DM for obvious reasons. Would probably categorize it as mild trolling. But if it's really her opinion, then she will be able to put it into words more concisely as to what the reasons are, eventually. Not that I wouldn't murder her on D1 with the ol' baby seal club if I saw the necessity.
For now all concerns regarding MB go into the the git gud n00b mailbox.
So... (small) list time.
The town:
Koshi - Makes me laugh, pokes in good places and takes responsibility for the thread. Feels like an ez read.
Rayn - The initial sense of urgency of his posts evolved into a calmer thread presence. I read the complacency as town so far, but I know not to underestimate his scumgame.
VE - Initial entry felt off from thread context, but I think the approach he used holds merit and also shone a light where it could matter down the road considering I don't feel like marv and DP have to be town at this point.
DP, Marv in null territory for the time being. DP appears a bit performative at times but he's also under pressure so could be that.
On May 23 2023 21:22 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:16 Koshi wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I understand that is potentially true. But that only pinged me. After that you played rather cautious and also there I understand that "not clogging up the thread" is a good excuse for a small filter, but fact is that you have: 1) an opening with a question that goes nowhere 2) a cautious playstyle 3) a small filter
I said I wasn’t going to get into this but as you all know I can’t help myself. 1. As discussed 2. Okay? 3. I’m actually conscious of the fact I already have quite a large filter. I’m going to have points (assuming I survive long enough) where I’m unable to be too active, so it’s in my best interests that the thread doesn’t explode too much. And I’m too good at making large threads.
I think I am bang on that if town make a concerted effort to discern meatbaby’s alignment early on, that will be a good result for town.
While this appeared like town marv for the last sentence especially, I'm also conscious of the fact that focusing on discerning a new player's alignment is more pro-scum than pro-town while I can't deny that it's a necessity.
Like we associate newer players with certain behaviours because there is a strong correlation between experience and certain natural reactions when playing the game .
The meat baby stuff is hard to fake as scum playing their first game. And her thought process is able to be followed and understood .
She puts a lot of weight into the discord stuff which also makes sense for a new player who is town because out of thread comms is a distinctive difference of the mafia faction.
If her thoughts were strong based off that idea (which is possible for a new player) then koshis case holds a lot less weight.
On May 23 2023 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
If it’s not plausible, then you should be sure?
If it is plausible (which it is) then I’m right.
I am sorry if i am not that good at english. I think there is a possibility Vivax and die_meatballs had such an interaction somewhere before, she thinks Vivax is mafia now without a doubt. I just dont thin it is likely, but still i would like her to explain her stance before i cast my (even first) vote.
Goodio?
It wasn’t quite what I was getting at though. What I meant is I can envisage that a town MB could treat Vivax in this way based on their general relationship outside of this thread.
And she probably is. I don't think the poker thing in her post is a lie for a second. But if and *when* that is NOT a lie, she should be aware (as a gambler/at least gamer) that she can't figure out Vivax as mafia without any reasoning at all. I guess this might change if she GAVE the reasoning, but apparently she is unwilling to, while asked multiple times.
I already explained why I think you and Vivax are mafia. In the first few pages you can see that you too where always answering at the same time and being off at the same time. So I only can think of you too where writing your plans on discord how you can hide. I still not sure who is the 3th mafia member, but we will find out.
I really should be sleeping but…
Meat baby, why do you think Rayn would be posting this much if he was trying to hide? Why do you think he is attacking you so heavily if he, as you say, is trying to not get killed as a mafia member and is trying to lay low.?
On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: Hey I was busy last night and didn't check to see if the game started and caught up now! Marv looks town to me? I think he would of folded as mafia considering he is known for that given the pressure he was getting from DP but he continued posting his thoughts like I remembered how he was in XXX in 2015.
You don't think it is possible that scum!marv would be able to post under pressure. I also remember Marv just folding as scum a few times back in the day, but I always considered that a symptom of burnout more than anything else because I also recall some monster scum games from him.
Is there any other reason that marv looks town to you?
On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: DP I didn't like his early posting towards Marv (Even suggesting Marv is mafia??) and then gave a hard townread on dmb?
I don't like this because it feels like it is a gross simplification of what actually happened and ignores a lot of the nuance. I feel like I have been fairly open with my thought processes and ideas as they have changed, so I am unsure how this is genuinely where you could land in your analysis.
On May 23 2023 22:40 DarthPunk wrote: I think Marv is town for the record.
Me too. Most people here were directly at the beginning going hard on him, with almost no reason.
Like you on Vivax and rayn?
It seems like you guys stucking in an old game here where he maby scammed you hard und you still angry or scared of him. New game new Mafia...
nope
Mafia Vivax is not scary at all.
She‘s talking about marv though
Ah true. Marv probably told her in Discord. Brb checking their posting times.
Checked it. They post at different times and ignore each other to make it less obvious they are plotting on Discord.
I don't think this is helpful. I would rather see some empathetic engagement and give her some space to do other things.
On May 24 2023 02:40 Alakaslam wrote: Dammit I have no reads outside the one that, if you don't see it
You stupid m8
I am really struggling with posts like this in this game. I get the need to flex and what have you but don't you think making your reads and reasoning clear for others is an important part of town play?
I just want people to share a clear position with shared reasoning and then have that either stand up to scrutiny or not.
Otherwise I will just keep asking apparently stupid questions.
Such as: what read is this? why is it so obvious?
On May 24 2023 02:43 Alakaslam wrote: Maybe 1 soft sr but
Seriously I'm not one to lynch people for 1 post.
What post are you referring to?
This is really unhelpful, i'd love to be able to understand your thought processes but I just can't without enough information.
QUOTE]On May 24 2023 02:46 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend.
I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread.
Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless.
I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention.
Your mb and Marv read stuff seem to contradict each other? Vivax though seems pretty townie atm. Why is he unimpressive to you?[/QUOTE]
What makes vivax seem pretty townie to you?
On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not sure I'll ever get used to being able to read the whole thread over the course of one cigarette. Not sure if good thing or bad thing, I guess we'll find out come D2 or 3.
I think there's exactly one mafia inside marv/DP but I don't know which and I don't want to lynch either today. I'm leaning toward DP being the maf based on interactions with not-marv.
I hate this.
On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I think mayor today should be DMB. The discord stuff is about Viv and rayn right? I disagree with his reasoning, but it feels SOOOOOOOO townie, like...newer mafia would be scared to even MENTION Discord right? IDK meta is meta but I'd follow meat anywhere this phase. Including (ugh) onto one of my townreads.
MZ town for wanting to townread me. That's a town thing to want. I have a lot of townreads, so I think there's at least 1, maybe 2 mafia in the lurking class. I think a D1 lurker lynch is in order, my vote will reflect that.
I really don't like this post VE. first of all, we have similar reasons to read DMB as town, and you have a really strong town read on her, generally when people say things that I agree with I lean toward them being town, not mafia.
Secondly I don't understand why if you think one of Marv or myself is mafia that you would not want to lynch one of us.
On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not sure I'll ever get used to being able to read the whole thread over the course of one cigarette. Not sure if good thing or bad thing, I guess we'll find out come D2 or 3.
I think there's exactly one mafia inside marv/DP but I don't know which and I don't want to lynch either today. I'm leaning toward DP being the maf based on interactions with not-marv.
I think mayor today should be DMB. The discord stuff is about Viv and rayn right? I disagree with his reasoning, but it feels SOOOOOOOO townie, like...newer mafia would be scared to even MENTION Discord right? IDK meta is meta but I'd follow meat anywhere this phase. Including (ugh) onto one of my townreads.
MZ town for wanting to townread me. That's a town thing to want. I have a lot of townreads, so I think there's at least 1, maybe 2 mafia in the lurking class. I think a D1 lurker lynch is in order, my vote will reflect that.
So you’d follow a newbie you are pretty sure is townie over a vet (yourself) who you presumably know is townie? Okay VE
On May 24 2023 03:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you don want to lynch EITHER of your scumreads, but instead follow a total newbie even onto one of your townreads?
Also this.
@VE was that hyperbole or would you actually just vote whoever meat baby decides?
On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend.
I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread.
Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless.
I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention.
Your mb and Marv read stuff seem to contradict each other? Vivax though seems pretty townie atm. Why is he unimpressive to you?
I don't think so at all, the MB discussion provided plenty of opportunities for people to come up with reads (again I'm in the "slight town" category) but Marv just danced around and asked questions rather than provide reads. So yes, the conversation was productive and Marv was also a useless part of it.
You realise getting someone to give answers - by asking questions - is what allows others to make reads?
It's not your job to make reads for others, its your job as a townie to come up with your own reads based on the thread as you read it. If you're asking questions it should be with the intention of refining or correcting your own reads.
You still haven't been able to provide even one "I think I'm leaning scum on person X" post that you're willing to stand behind. DarthPunk doesn't count because you're not willing to stand behind it.
Do you think it is more likely that mafia or town would seem indecisive? I think it would have been fairly straightforward for scum!marv to have called me mafia based on my weak posts, instead he said he didn't know and seems orientated toward information gathering which is a pretty townie place to be day one. ( representing genuine inquisitiveness is hard to fake)
On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not sure I'll ever get used to being able to read the whole thread over the course of one cigarette. Not sure if good thing or bad thing, I guess we'll find out come D2 or 3.
I think there's exactly one mafia inside marv/DP but I don't know which and I don't want to lynch either today. I'm leaning toward DP being the maf based on interactions with not-marv.
I think mayor today should be DMB. The discord stuff is about Viv and rayn right? I disagree with his reasoning, but it feels SOOOOOOOO townie, like...newer mafia would be scared to even MENTION Discord right? IDK meta is meta but I'd follow meat anywhere this phase. Including (ugh) onto one of my townreads.
MZ town for wanting to townread me. That's a town thing to want. I have a lot of townreads, so I think there's at least 1, maybe 2 mafia in the lurking class. I think a D1 lurker lynch is in order, my vote will reflect that.
Ok let's walk through this so that I understand. You say that there's one mafia between Marv/DarthPunk and it's probably DP, does that mean you'd want to lynch Marv if DP flipped town?
I'm always a little hesitant to accept reasoning like that. Right now I've got a slight town read on DP but if we lynched Marv and he flipped green, I don't think that would necessarily be alignment indicative to DP.
I'm not usually one to draw it out like that either, that's just how I'm seeing things now...and like I said it's kinda moot right now because I don't want to lynch either of them. They're both maf players that will help me catch their teammates at least early on, so I'm into letting them. That reasoning is....commonplace, so marv taking issue with it is...interesting. He REALLY don't like the idea of lynching into lurkers it seems, which makes me WAAAAAAY more into doing so. Like I said, he helping me out :D
Hmmm ok I can't townread you anymore. This is... not great if you think someone is mafia, even if they're the most mafia ever and it's gonna be a quiet day because they're so obvious there won't be much discussion, you still lynch the people you are sure are scum. Like if you believe marv is mafia you should be wanting to lynch him ASAP even if for some reason you feel his anti lurker lynching stance is helping you.
@Marv: is this the kind of nonsense you referred to VE starting out with?
On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend.
I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread.
Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless.
I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention.
Your mb and Marv read stuff seem to contradict each other? Vivax though seems pretty townie atm. Why is he unimpressive to you?
I don't think so at all, the MB discussion provided plenty of opportunities for people to come up with reads (again I'm in the "slight town" category) but Marv just danced around and asked questions rather than provide reads. So yes, the conversation was productive and Marv was also a useless part of it.
You realise getting someone to give answers - by asking questions - is what allows others to make reads?
It's not your job to make reads for others, its your job as a townie to come up with your own reads based on the thread as you read it. If you're asking questions it should be with the intention of refining or correcting your own reads.
You still haven't been able to provide even one "I think I'm leaning scum on person X" post that you're willing to stand behind. DarthPunk doesn't count because you're not willing to stand behind it.
It’s not a townie’s job to help other townies make reads. Better to leave them in the dark. Got it MZ👌
I’m aware this is incredibly WIFOM, but do you not think a mafia marv is capable of making reads (and further, forseeing it might be necessary)?
The way you help townies make reads is by providing your own and then discussing them, not by just asking questions for the sake of questions.
I don't agree with this, at least at the start of the game. Later on it is fair enough to expect people to take positions, but generating information from others is super important also.
On May 24 2023 03:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you don want to lynch EITHER of your scumreads, but instead follow a total newbie even onto one of your townreads?
On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not sure I'll ever get used to being able to read the whole thread over the course of one cigarette. Not sure if good thing or bad thing, I guess we'll find out come D2 or 3.
I think there's exactly one mafia inside marv/DP but I don't know which and I don't want to lynch either today. I'm leaning toward DP being the maf based on interactions with not-marv.
I think mayor today should be DMB. The discord stuff is about Viv and rayn right? I disagree with his reasoning, but it feels SOOOOOOOO townie, like...newer mafia would be scared to even MENTION Discord right? IDK meta is meta but I'd follow meat anywhere this phase. Including (ugh) onto one of my townreads.
MZ town for wanting to townread me. That's a town thing to want. I have a lot of townreads, so I think there's at least 1, maybe 2 mafia in the lurking class. I think a D1 lurker lynch is in order, my vote will reflect that.
So you’d follow a newbie you are pretty sure is townie over a vet (yourself) who you presumably know is townie? Okay VE
Did you guys plan this mindmeld in mafia!Discord?
Meh that is the normal reaction to that post if you are experienced.
On May 24 2023 05:07 marvellosity wrote: VE - I told you already. Trusting another townread over yourself is at best bizarre.
Also thinking I’m scummy for not wanting to lynch into lurkers is also at best bizarre. It’s not like mafia are known for wanting an easy lynch on a lurker or something, is it VE? (He asks pointedly)
That's not what I find off-putting, and I think its adorable that you think it's easy to lynch a lurker in this environment. Chances are we will, as a collective, vote-switch onto someone active like DP or Koshi based on something either you or rayn said, it will be a whole thing, and then the lurkers will live on until tomorrow. PLEASE tell me you think anything else will happen so I can laugh at you relentlessly.
On May 24 2023 05:46 Koshi wrote: Ok I can't vote marv anymore. I am saving the last pages for work. Because it is late and I dont want to think. ##unvote ##Vote: mebaby Tbh I am not super duper happy with Vivax I think but this scumread from mebaby is totally insane. Like Vivax didnt even post a lot. Twice. And rayn was more active and was in the thread at the same time. I can only imagine this is some weird crossover shit from irl mafia where the mafia has to fake reads in a fast pace game.
Sorry was working last few hours... You really think they going to make a new girl directly mafia? I heard most of you weren't playing in years in this game is like legendary rematch after years... you think they taking the chance to ruin this game and make a new member (who never played) a mafia?
Would you please answer the question I asked you earlier?
On May 24 2023 06:28 Koshi wrote: Also we are perfectly capable ruining this game without your help so no help needed.
:D
On May 24 2023 06:30 Koshi wrote: Do you feel lost in the game? Do you need some advise on how to proceed?
On May 24 2023 06:31 Koshi wrote: Finding towns is equally important as to find mafia. Do you have strong townreads and if you do, who and why?
On May 24 2023 06:32 Koshi wrote: I just want to know how you think and approach the game.
On May 24 2023 06:33 Koshi wrote: Like you said marv is getting attacked because x people pressured him because theybdont want to lose against mafia!marv again. Who are those people and do you now read them town? Sharing is caring and can help us read you better.
I really like this from Koshi, I thought the tunnel was getting unproductive so giving space and trying to engage with meat baby is really positive. Koshi strong strong town read.
On May 24 2023 06:49 Vivax wrote: VE seems like another VE compared to how he approached the game initially. Might rethink the TR down the road. I take issue in the fact that his first post had that ‚aha‘ component while the followup ended up all over the place with little regard as to who the vote ends up on.
As for MB, I don‘t read the derpy reasoning as AI. Knowing the character of the player, it could be mild trolling or a beginner‘s approach to pressuring me.
I‘m probably biased, but the mech talk appears disingenous enough to be town imo. I prefer to leave that slot to others to figure out. By others I mostly mean my townreads Koshi, Rayn, LS atm.
On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not sure I'll ever get used to being able to read the whole thread over the course of one cigarette. Not sure if good thing or bad thing, I guess we'll find out come D2 or 3.
I think there's exactly one mafia inside marv/DP but I don't know which and I don't want to lynch either today. I'm leaning toward DP being the maf based on interactions with not-marv.
I think mayor today should be DMB. The discord stuff is about Viv and rayn right? I disagree with his reasoning, but it feels SOOOOOOOO townie, like...newer mafia would be scared to even MENTION Discord right? IDK meta is meta but I'd follow meat anywhere this phase. Including (ugh) onto one of my townreads.
MZ town for wanting to townread me. That's a town thing to want. I have a lot of townreads, so I think there's at least 1, maybe 2 mafia in the lurking class. I think a D1 lurker lynch is in order, my vote will reflect that.
Ok let's walk through this so that I understand. You say that there's one mafia between Marv/DarthPunk and it's probably DP, does that mean you'd want to lynch Marv if DP flipped town?
I'm always a little hesitant to accept reasoning like that. Right now I've got a slight town read on DP but if we lynched Marv and he flipped green, I don't think that would necessarily be alignment indicative to DP.
I'm not usually one to draw it out like that either, that's just how I'm seeing things now...and like I said it's kinda moot right now because I don't want to lynch either of them. They're both maf players that will help me catch their teammates at least early on, so I'm into letting them. That reasoning is....commonplace, so marv taking issue with it is...interesting. He REALLY don't like the idea of lynching into lurkers it seems, which makes me WAAAAAAY more into doing so. Like I said, he helping me out :D
Hmmm ok I can't townread you anymore. This is... not great if you think someone is mafia, even if they're the most mafia ever and it's gonna be a quiet day because they're so obvious there won't be much discussion, you still lynch the people you are sure are scum. Like if you believe marv is mafia you should be wanting to lynch him ASAP even if for some reason you feel his anti lurker lynching stance is helping you.
I know you've played with BC before MZ, this is HOW he plays and I've seen the merit of it over many games. I accept that marv is mostly not lynchable D1, and I'm not interested in getting into a shitfest trying to make that happen - it will probably just get ME lynched. DP is in a similar place, but for his activity vs game-solvability. And because I don't know WHICH or IF either one is maf, I'm just not interested in pursuing that today.
You can dislike my playstyle, but it's not scummy. It's just my playstyle.
I have plenty of people I'd rather try and lynch D1 instead of you anyway.
On May 24 2023 06:33 Koshi wrote: Like you said marv is getting attacked because x people pressured him because theybdont want to lose against mafia!marv again. Who are those people and do you now read them town? Sharing is caring and can help us read you better.
Chezinu // seems like town
What?...
Please explain this.
On May 24 2023 07:29 Koshi wrote: Also imho marv is looking more and more as a sponge absoring information and potentially making it rain knowledge while dp is just sitting in marv's ass doing nothing.
Not sitting in his ass, he is just making sense.
On May 24 2023 07:29 Koshi wrote:
So this 1 mafia in marv/dp theory is not so horrible.
Disagree.
On May 24 2023 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: People i don't want to lynch: Koshi Lightningstrike marvellosity
Probably not Darthpunk either. From what i know DP is very aware of the state of the game when he is mafia, not afraid to engage in conversations with his scumbuddies, basically he tends to look very town especially early on. This game i feel like DP is more like.. clueless(?) at times, and i think it's more likely genuine "i don't know what's going on" rather than "i pretend i don't really know what's going on". If DP would be mafia he would probably be mafia with two peopel who haven't posted yet.
VE goes to the same category. I don't really agree with his conclusions, hell i don't even know why he writes what he writes but i don't really think VE as mafia would write what he writes.
Vivax looks active and i'd say more likely town too. I didn't hate his last post, although there is a creeping suspicion about him and meatbaby goin like "hey can i say this in thread" -- "yeah it's fine, noone will believe you anyways and it's great distancing anyways", but i don't really have any other reason to think Vivax is mafia atm, and that reasoning in itself is stupid.
Would lyncherino:
meatbaby -- what Koshi said
MZ is tricky. Last couple (three?) games i have been mafia and every time MZ goes to post something D1 i go like "man how the hell can anyone think anything like that (he has been town)?!?!?!" and then i go "man, how the hell can anyone think MZ is mafia?!?!?" and everyone wants to lynch him.. I don't get the same feeling at all here. Maybe it's because i am not mafia and i am looking at the game differently with not all the information. I can see MZ genuinely thinking marv is mafia but something just doesn't sit right there.
Slam is the least of these three. It's not really alignment indicative for him to "cling" on someone and answer to (all of) their posts, but nothing really makes me think he is town. Probably not mafia together with marv is my best conclusion atm.
Everyone who has not posted can also die for all i care. Or anyone who has posted and i had not in my list.
I like this post, just don't really get the lightning strike read. Thanks for actually sharing your thought processes.
I have caught up now.
I think Koshi is pretty town.
Marv and Rayn and MZ town but less clear than Koshi
Meat baby - While I think my initial reaction was not incorrect, I don't like that she didn't answer my questions to try and draw out more information about her rayn read, and I really think her chez read makes no sense as a townie. If you are making genuine reads or analysing the game at all then how is Chez town? Worries me that it was clearly not genuine, so what else is not genuine?
If she had just said "no idea" that would be infinitely more reasonable right, especially cause she said that about someone else who had actually posted. Just complete wtf?! moment that is not consistent from what I would expect from newbie townie.
On May 24 2023 06:33 Koshi wrote: Like you said marv is getting attacked because x people pressured him because theybdont want to lose against mafia!marv again. Who are those people and do you now read them town? Sharing is caring and can help us read you better.
Sentinel // don´t know, too less writing from him since we started Alakasla // same as sentinel Chezinu // seems like town 4) Vivax // mafia 5) LightningStrike // pretty shure town 6) DarthPunk // not quiet shure yet 7) Onegu // also not shure 8) Koshi // def. town 10) raynpelikoneet // Mafia 11) Meapak_Ziphh // also i think town for right know 12) marvellosity // town (could chance depends on his next posts) 13) VisceraEyes // town
But as you said you can lose the game perfectly with out me
On May 24 2023 06:33 Koshi wrote: Like you said marv is getting attacked because x people pressured him because theybdont want to lose against mafia!marv again. Who are those people and do you now read them town? Sharing is caring and can help us read you better.
Sentinel // don´t know, too less writing from him since we started Alakasla // same as sentinel Chezinu // seems like town 4) Vivax // mafia 5) LightningStrike // pretty shure town 6) DarthPunk // not quiet shure yet 7) Onegu // also not shure 8) Koshi // def. town 10) raynpelikoneet // Mafia 11) Meapak_Ziphh // also i think town for right know 12) marvellosity // town (could chance depends on his next posts) 13) VisceraEyes // town
But as you said you can lose the game perfectly with out me
07:28 Meat Baby gives a Chez town read despite the fact he has no posts. Onegu who also has no posts she is not sure of.
On May 24 2023 07:58 die_meatbaby wrote: ##Vote Onegu
30 minutes later she VOTES ONEGU??!?! despite later on still professing a scum read/suspicion of VIVAX her primary scum read.
On May 24 2023 07:37 Koshi wrote: @Mebaby: one more Q, how do you feel about Vivax not wanting to scumread you even though you are aiming for his testicals this entire game?
First of al his testicals are mine now no matter if in rl or online. I think he would not scumread me ever, because he would be scared to cook and feed the snake every day on his own..
Ok. So him being meek is NAI ( not allignment indicative).
Did you see me p.roof that Vivax and rayn didnt leave together and that rayn was active continiously and Vivax only made 2 posts? So rayn being there when Vivax made those 2 posts is just a coincidence? And how did you "feel" that they were hiding and posting together when you were sleeping at that time?
yeah and I know you guys played this game sence years but and you have different techniques to play, and you already played with each other and know how they played. I just try my own style to get a win for als Townies But still i feel not good about Vivax in the game he is just to quiet to be town and he just write safe phrases. Like he realyy suspect for me
On May 24 2023 08:32 Vivax wrote: Some part of the brain where cringe was stored just popped
I enjoy you seeing nosebleed. chringe makes people nervous. Nervous is beeing easy to get truth out. Pls just vote yourself out
and 1 hour later asking Vivax to vote himself out despite not voting for him, she is not operating in good faith or in a way that could be considered reasonable.
I am really not sure what to make of this, it is just not an optimal way to conduct yourself as either alignment.
Certainly not pro town behavior that is for sure, I guess we need to determine if she is a massive troll or not.
On May 24 2023 06:33 Koshi wrote: Like you said marv is getting attacked because x people pressured him because theybdont want to lose against mafia!marv again. Who are those people and do you now read them town? Sharing is caring and can help us read you better.
Sentinel // don´t know, too less writing from him since we started Alakasla // same as sentinel Chezinu // seems like town 4) Vivax // mafia 5) LightningStrike // pretty shure town 6) DarthPunk // not quiet shure yet 7) Onegu // also not shure 8) Koshi // def. town 10) raynpelikoneet // Mafia 11) Meapak_Ziphh // also i think town for right know 12) marvellosity // town (could chance depends on his next posts) 13) VisceraEyes // town
But as you said you can lose the game perfectly with out me
Wait where did Chezinu post?
Exactly.
Ok wait then what did I miss? Why is there 2 onegu votes and like some Koshi vote?
I could also lynch her at this point, although my confidence interval about her alignment in either direction is not high because her play is just confusing.
On May 24 2023 12:58 Alakaslam wrote: Because of that evil list post, and little else. It felt more wrong than VE's and I didn't like it out of VE either.
Honestly*, I want to *. Given ** as a caveat.
DO you have any idea why people are giving him town reads?
I really don;t understand the Lightning Strike town reads at all.
First post.
On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: Hey I was busy last night and didn't check to see if the game started and caught up now! Marv looks town to me? I think he would of folded as mafia considering he is known for that given the pressure he was getting from DP but he continued posting his thoughts like I remembered how he was in XXX in 2015.
Town read based on meta from 2015.
On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: VE is null he hasn't posted anything since a few hours ago will wait for judgement on him.
Null read on VE.
On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: dmb is null the stuff for why she scumreading Vivax is very odd?
Null read on DMB is actually super bad here. Notably DMB and how to approach them has been - super polarizing -and there was a lot of information at the time this was posted to consider. Don't like this at all.
On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: Koshi is town so far he been posting like I remembered how he was when I played back then.
Town read based on old meta. Personally I have been trying to avoid using old meta too much, because I don't think it is very accurate. I understand there may be other perspectives on this, but I really don't like that after reading the whole thread at this point that these town reads are thrown around without a single comment on the actually substantive positions or posting of the players in the read, particularly after there had been a hugely polazrising topic of conversation and pressure in various directions.
It is the easiest kind of post to make as mafia to call someone 'town' with vague references to recollections that they post this way as town.
On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: Rayn looks town I like the pressure on dmb from him so far and waiting for a conclusion of his pressure on her.
Fine. This is a bit of a hedge, because its avoiding actively commenting on DMB's alignment.
On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: DP I didn't like his early posting towards Marv (Even suggesting Marv is mafia??) and then gave a hard townread on dmb?His evolution of his read on Marv does seem organic. Null for now I guess.
Obviously I hate this because its hedging (all the ???) and takes with the summation of events (i didn't suggest marv was mafia, and there are many posts clarifying this fact.) if you are town you want to be accurate and taking liberties with the narrative around players positions is not beneficial for town.
His next few posts are largely nothing to do with the game. Reminiscing or discussing meta.
On May 23 2023 23:36 Koshi wrote: Hi LightningStrike! Long time no see. Good to have you in this game.
Been to long man! My last game was in 2020 how you been?
Life is good. How are you? I remember a hospital visit back in 2020? 🤔
Been doing good I been trying to finish University but still got a few semesters left and no i didn't need a hospital visit if I remembered? You might of been thinking of someone else unless I forgot.
On May 24 2023 00:12 LightningStrike wrote: Maybe Vivax? Just speculative atm. How you been?
Vivax tried to initiate actual discussion about the game and LS goes back to reminiscing.
On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend.
I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread.
Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless.
I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention.
Your mb and Marv read stuff seem to contradict each other? Vivax though seems pretty townie atm. Why is he unimpressive to you?
Last post, he says that vivax seems pretty townie at the moment, I think town reads are important, but if that was the case then Why was this not mentioned in his initial post?
I thought that perhaps that it was beacuse of some interactions in the thread.
On May 24 2023 00:12 LightningStrike wrote: Maybe Vivax? Just speculative atm. How you been?
Hey LS ! Doing okayish at the moment, thanks.
Sometimes I get bored of being in discord with rayn and doing drinking games and I poke in here again.
That's good you doing fine! Is there anything you want to talk about?
Nothing in particular.
You come across as townie tone-wise, that‘s about it for new stuff.
Slam I couldn‘t read either way.
So either these posts are incredibly meaningful for vivax's alignment, or for somereason this very townie vivax was not worth mentioning in his list post an hour earlier.
So I really don't understand these town reads on LS they don't make sense one bit.
On May 24 2023 14:02 Alakaslam wrote: Man, I am jealous of Australia. I might be Australian at heart. I live in the desert, I am like 60% Anglo by DNA, sandalwood is great, poisonous snakes sound like good pets, whiskey is good, grilled meat is also good...
And I post when our local Aussie posts
Not gonna post any Men At Work but- really like the bands too. Might throw out some Cut Copy
good band, I have seen them live, I've got a spare room if you wanna take a trip
On May 24 2023 15:41 marvellosity wrote: Im not sure about the LS townread either DP. I lightly read him as town when he first posted but I agree there hasn’t been much else. Partly I just want him to be town which is not the same thing.
I will try to organise my thoughts this morning. Tbh MB’s townreads on non existent players isn’t great, is it?
Nor the vote switch to Onegu after being so sure about vivax/rayn
On May 24 2023 15:41 marvellosity wrote: Im not sure about the LS townread either DP. I lightly read him as town when he first posted but I agree there hasn’t been much else. Partly I just want him to be town which is not the same thing.
I will try to organise my thoughts this morning. Tbh MB’s townreads on non existent players isn’t great, is it?
Nor the vote switch to Onegu after being so sure about vivax/rayn
Hadn’t seen this!
Yeah its pretty wild. I've been putting in work while the Euro's were sleeping.
On May 24 2023 17:06 Koshi wrote: The mebaby vote? She deducts a situation where 3 to her unknown allignments attack another unknown allignment as people attacking a townie due to mad respect for a previous scum game. Which indicates that she reads the situation as towns going for each other throaths otherwise she would deduct something like marv is town because out of these 3 attackers 2 are mafia so ergo the person attacked is most likely town.
And funny thing is. She kinda had me in "need to look at", rayn as 100% mafia and you as null.
So it does not compute that she says " new game guys, no need to be hateful that marv beat you last time"
On May 24 2023 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: LS should maybe himself answer about the Vivax read, other than that i don't think there is anything that looks other than townie from him. Like the dude is always about 95% of meta in his reads, right or wrong, he still does that every time. I can understand him not having a read on mebaby just because there is no meta to go on with. I mean like if someone seriously claimed they have a cop check on N0 in this game LS would probably go if they have ever been a cop before and checked anyone N0 before coming to conclusion that they have to be lying. :D
On May 24 2023 17:12 Vivax wrote: The Chez TR made no sense in that list, aye. As the read on me/rayn still doesn‘t. At this point it doesn’t seem to just be a tease or troll read of sorts anymore.
I wouldn‘t say massive troll @DP. Aside from obvious shitposts, I think it‘s mostly her being in way over her head.
Game takes practice and we‘re routined players, so I believe that regardless of alignment, she doesn‘t know how to gather player sentiment and just posts half-baked stuff in the hopes that it holds some value to others.
Which is behaviour I would usually place as mafia, but with newbie card + bias + language barrier I don‘t really feel like going down that road. I feel like I brought her into this game so I’m also responsible for ensuring it’s fun :p
Oh and LS seemes town for tone to me , I don’t rely on much else when it comes to him this early in the game (but I won’t forget he slipped by as mafia once in I think the last game where Damdred was also in).
Meanwhile I take some issue with MZs tone, at times. It’s all very well written and the angles he shoots hold merit but appears tendentious/tunnely in approach.
That said, GTMH I‘d currently vote with my TRs Koshi/rayn and maybe marv no matter what.
I really hate this Ls town read stuff. He has barely posted about the game. Either you have all developed hyper accurate meta reads on each other because of small player pool. And these never change or are meta gamed. or it’s just bad habits. I’m leaning towards the latter.
On May 24 2023 17:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am just gonna say, i wrote this:
On May 24 2023 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: [...] Vivax looks active and i'd say more likely town too. I didn't hate his last post, although there is a creeping suspicion about him and meatbaby goin like "hey can i say this in thread" -- "yeah it's fine, noone will believe you anyways and it's great distancing anyways", but i don't really have any other reason to think Vivax is mafia atm, and that reasoning in itself is stupid. [...]
She pretty much instantly responds:
On May 24 2023 07:56 die_meatbaby wrote: Me and vivax never talk about the game ever 2 pc´s 2 different rooms. Also if I have questions i would write the host and not asking him.
Think about it a little bit from the PoV that they are both mafia?
I didn‘t coach her while posting. Do you think she’d list Chez as town if I did that ?
Do you think she would be coachable if she was mafia? Because why would anyone let her do that?
On May 24 2023 17:12 Vivax wrote: The Chez TR made no sense in that list, aye. As the read on me/rayn still doesn‘t. At this point it doesn’t seem to just be a tease or troll read of sorts anymore.
I wouldn‘t say massive troll @DP. Aside from obvious shitposts, I think it‘s mostly her being in way over her head.
Game takes practice and we‘re routined players, so I believe that regardless of alignment, she doesn‘t know how to gather player sentiment and just posts half-baked stuff in the hopes that it holds some value to others.
Which is behaviour I would usually place as mafia, but with newbie card + bias + language barrier I don‘t really feel like going down that road. I feel like I brought her into this game so I’m also responsible for ensuring it’s fun :p
Oh and LS seemes town for tone to me , I don’t rely on much else when it comes to him this early in the game (but I won’t forget he slipped by as mafia once in I think the last game where Damdred was also in).
Meanwhile I take some issue with MZs tone, at times. It’s all very well written and the angles he shoots hold merit but appears tendentious/tunnely in approach.
That said, GTMH I‘d currently vote with my TRs Koshi/rayn and maybe marv no matter what.
I really hate this Ls town read stuff. He has barely posted about the game. Either you have all developed hyper accurate meta reads on each other because of small player pool. And these never change or are meta gamed. or it’s just bad habits. I’m leaning towards the latter.
Knowing him, he’ll show up at some point and post more reads. I’m statistically better off giving bold townreads over bad scumreads. If you think he can be scum, be my guest but hating my townread based on early tone seems a bit over the top.
I’ll give you that it’s not a read I’d hold onto unconditionally.
On May 24 2023 13:44 DarthPunk wrote: @Die Meat Baby
Why are you voting for Onegu when you think Vivax is mafia?
Please actually answer the question this time. :D
Becauce he is not active and I want to play the game real. Hate things like this. Don´t go in game if you are not playing... afk f0cks me up every time playing, not matter which game, so wanted to vote him out. Still i think Vivax is def. not town.
On May 24 2023 17:01 Koshi wrote: I talk about so many things.
There are context clues. What you were posting about with Rayn being 3/3 or whatever.
I can’t say I’m a fan of the tendency for people to be deliberately vague that has seemingly developed over the years.
His 3 mafia reads? Mebaby slam and MZ? Then add Vivax, Onegu and Sentinel and you have 3 out of 6 being mafia.
But now I see I forgot Chez so it is 3/7
I don’t think slam is mafia but thanks for clarifying.
Btw off topic: what part of Belgium are you from? my partner is from Antwerp and I really love visiting belgium.
My mother now lives in central Antwerp. I always went to school between Antwerp and Brussels in a city called Mechelen. And now I bought a house closer to my wife her family close to Brussels, on the Flemish side. So central Belgium Flemish side.
Nice. I love Brussels. I actually love the beer in Belgium too. We bring westmalle and duvel back every time we visit ( once a year roughly)
On May 24 2023 18:33 die_meatbaby wrote: @Vivax we play cards, you lose...we play a boardgame you lose. You beat me one time in mario card and that was just luck for you. I will win aigainst you, because you are making shit right now. Beeing here for 2 hous straight and just watching not posting anything says more to me than it maby should
On May 24 2023 17:01 Koshi wrote: I talk about so many things.
There are context clues. What you were posting about with Rayn being 3/3 or whatever.
I can’t say I’m a fan of the tendency for people to be deliberately vague that has seemingly developed over the years.
His 3 mafia reads? Mebaby slam and MZ? Then add Vivax, Onegu and Sentinel and you have 3 out of 6 being mafia.
But now I see I forgot Chez so it is 3/7
I don’t think slam is mafia but thanks for clarifying.
Btw off topic: what part of Belgium are you from? my partner is from Antwerp and I really love visiting belgium.
My mother now lives in central Antwerp. I always went to school between Antwerp and Brussels in a city called Mechelen. And now I bought a house closer to my wife her family close to Brussels, on the Flemish side. So central Belgium Flemish side.
Nice. I love Brussels. I actually love the beer in Belgium too. We bring westmalle and duvel back every time we visit ( once a year roughly)
Good choices . I am pretty sure you could drink a different Belgian beer each day for a year and never be disappointed. Crazy how many we have and there are some gems between them based on what you like.
Yeah my father in law took me to that pub in antwerp where there are like over 100 beers or something.
On May 24 2023 18:41 die_meatbaby wrote: @Koshi @Darthpunk Why the fuck are you talking about beer?? You get one when we finsh this game and voted the mafia out.
Why are you talking about balls and Italians and gypsies and feeding Koshi's snake?
On May 24 2023 18:40 marvellosity wrote: I’m not sure what’s going on
I believe DP thinks I got extra info, but doesn't think I'm mafia. Granted, I've been trying to be a bit sensible when it felt like you pulled down his pants in front of everyone in the first few pages.
No I think she said you've been at home for two hours reading the thread and not posting.
Which, is extra info she has, and if she has been using it to form reads then it makes her play mildly less confusing I gues.
Also my pants never got pulled down. I have thoroughly maintained my dignity in this thread.
On May 24 2023 18:41 die_meatbaby wrote: @Koshi @Darthpunk Why the fuck are you talking about beer?? You get one when we finsh this game and voted the mafia out.
Why are you talking about balls and Italians and gypsies and feeding Koshi's snake?
On May 24 2023 18:42 DarthPunk wrote: ok the shit posting is real. IM down to lynch the meat baby, but I'm scared that we are going to end up with too many mis lynch targets at this rate,
If we are looking at things at face value.
1) [UoN]Sentinel – AFK 2) Alakaslam – I think town. 3) Chezinu – Unknown and unknowable 4) Vivax - grey 5) LightningStrike – grey leaning mafia (acknowledging that there is probably meta shit is why grey) Borderline AFK 6) DarthPunk – Town, obviously. 7) Onegu - AFK 8) Koshi - Town 9) die_meatbaby -???? Scum? 10) raynpelikoneet - Town 11) Meapak_Ziphh – Was town now leaning scum? 12) marvellosity - Townish 13) VisceraEyes – Grey
3 Maf 10 VT probably.
Yeah things not looking great if this is a mislynch.
There will be modkills
So this stinky ass known as Chezinu and Seninel get out by modkills? And did´t have waste my fucking vote on an afk shit of toast??????????????????????????
And no i am not scum I am jsut slightly passive aggressive
On May 24 2023 18:54 DarthPunk wrote: At this point we are never going to get past the issues.
##vote Die Meat Baby
I hope this experience won't deter you from joining another game in the future.
Yeah vote me out than i go sleep again, but you will see you lose a townie and wish you no luck to win against the mafia. Stop playing like in the past and acept the moods from a girl on her week.
Amazingly I can actually see a world where you are town and this is a mislynch. But at this point the game can't progress with the current issues as they stand. The topic of you and your alignment are taking all the oxygen in the thread.
So unless you can somehow resolve the issues as previously outlined I suggest, if you are town, you try your best to let us all know who you think mafia is and why.
Happily, if you are town and we are mistaken you may still win the game, and there would be some lessons learned all around I imagine.
On May 24 2023 18:59 die_meatbaby wrote: Why the fuck are you all pussys. I thought i am playing with man here not babyfaces hiding behind a pc and avoiting new insane people in this game
Im not avoiding you, I actually asked you a question this time yesterday which you have never answered.
On May 24 2023 18:54 DarthPunk wrote: At this point we are never going to get past the issues.
##vote Die Meat Baby
I hope this experience won't deter you from joining another game in the future.
Yeah vote me out than i go sleep again, but you will see you lose a townie and wish you no luck to win against the mafia. Stop playing like in the past and acept the moods from a girl on her week.
Amazingly I can actually see a world where you are town and this is a mislynch. But at this point the game can't progress with the current issues as they stand. The topic of you and your alignment are taking all the oxygen in the thread.
So unless you can somehow resolve the issues as previously outlined I suggest, if you are town, you try your best to let us all know who you think mafia is and why.
Happily, if you are town and we are mistaken you may still win the game, and there would be some lessons learned all around I imagine.
Just knowing that Vivax is watching this shit right now is not riding anything drives me fucking crazy but i hope this information is not against the rules. Sorry we are living togther and i can´t change the fact of knowing he is sitting in another room on Pc and be silend (Peace of shit) and just watching.
rayn changed the way he writes after i wrote he and V are Mafia. I can´t really explain this. I work with people and when the get scared the change the way of talking/writing. It feel differnt since page 5. i don´t know how to explain this.
I shure we have somewhere 3th person as mafia but for this i don´t have any specific person in mind (right now)
On May 24 2023 18:54 DarthPunk wrote: At this point we are never going to get past the issues.
##vote Die Meat Baby
I hope this experience won't deter you from joining another game in the future.
Yeah vote me out than i go sleep again, but you will see you lose a townie and wish you no luck to win against the mafia. Stop playing like in the past and acept the moods from a girl on her week.
Amazingly I can actually see a world where you are town and this is a mislynch. But at this point the game can't progress with the current issues as they stand. The topic of you and your alignment are taking all the oxygen in the thread.
So unless you can somehow resolve the issues as previously outlined I suggest, if you are town, you try your best to let us all know who you think mafia is and why.
Happily, if you are town and we are mistaken you may still win the game, and there would be some lessons learned all around I imagine.
Just knowing that Vivax is watching this shit right now is not riding anything drives me fucking crazy but i hope this information is not against the rules. Sorry we are living togther and i can´t change the fact of knowing he is sitting in another room on Pc and be silend (Peace of shit) and just watching.
rayn changed the way he writes after i wrote he and V are Mafia. I can´t really explain this. I work with people and when the get scared the change the way of talking/writing. It feel differnt since page 5. i don´t know how to explain this.
I shure we have somewhere 3th person as mafia but for this i don´t have any specific person in mind (right now)
Noted.
But when you vote me out you will see that i am town and why i was writing random things aswell. I know you and Koshi, akam... sorry forgot the name.. are town. you wheren´t shure if am trolling or not that´s the reason why i know you three are def. town. Mafia did´t give a shit about my randomness or writing discord bullshit, they found it funny becauce they know you will vote me out for writing like this.
So right now you think rayn and vivax are mafia still? what about marvellosity?
By the way I have been reading my old games, and I came across this:
On September 28 2014 12:41 geript wrote: But maybe DP. VE really does like to do "one of these two is mafia" as mafia, lynch the town then form a townread on his partner.
I know I said I would not use meta, but I thought I would put it out there for discussion of something other than DMB
On May 24 2023 19:48 Vivax wrote: I'm gonna take a break from my battlestation. Getting refuge in audacity vibes, maybe. I'm hoping for a bunch of posts that fit the situation and aren't edgelordism.
For instructional purposes: A policy lynch is a lynch designed to remove toxic players from the game, which I am currently very happy to do because I like my eyes intact.
On May 24 2023 20:34 marvellosity wrote: I’m less happy with a MB vote after her recent posts. Looks like she made an effort, researched, and thought about the game a bit. I would dislike a policy lynch, anyone voting MB needs to do so only because they think she has the best chance of flipping mafia.
On May 24 2023 20:34 marvellosity wrote: I’m less happy with a MB vote after her recent posts. Looks like she made an effort, researched, and thought about the game a bit. I would dislike a policy lynch, anyone voting MB needs to do so only because they think she has the best chance of flipping mafia.
MZ still lovely lynch.
Agreed. maybe ill just sheep you.
You guys are so gullible or just mafia.
Holy mozes.
She reads rayn and vivax mafia for the dumbest reason - gets a pass cuz new - She meta reads a situation perfectly if all protagonist are town even though the persons in this situation are mafia in her head. -She gets some flak finally- She invents a reason why she meta read like she did "research and reading filters" - she gets a pass for trying-
lolololololololol
fml
She actually read the games though.
I don’t know dude if you actually think we are mafia for that that’s wild.
end of the World Party Mafia , murder on the Cruise Mafia. in the cruise one some people really seemd pissed of about marv. checked also a few other but just little bit.
did you fucking fact check this DP??? Or are you just being lazy mafia?
On October 15 2016 08:25 Half the Sky wrote: gg wp scum......koshi....you're tearing it up. Reading your filters, it'd been hard to make a case on either you or JAT the way it was going, only thing noticable is that you weren't driving lynches like you normally do as town. But IDK that argument alone would have ever gotten you lynched esp before the lynchbait.
Other factors like Palmar and Marvellosity being afk for long times also nurtured the scum win but especially Koshi played a great game in my perception. Regarding justanothertownie: being the most active scum by far, I think he did a good job in driving a mislynch and averting lynch attempts that were aimed towards him. Still, having access to host QT, I think it would help jat to take a step back from the game and not be ad hom towards his teammates but that's just my impression.
I didn't read the game if that is what you were asking, I checked if it was a game that marv played in. I don't think not reading the game causes me to be lazy, or mafia FWIW.
On May 23 2023 22:40 DarthPunk wrote: I think Marv is town for the record.
Me too. Most people here were directly at the beginning going hard on him, with almost no reason.
Like you on Vivax and rayn?
It seems like you guys stucking in an old game here where he maby scammed you hard und you still angry or scared of him. New game new Mafia...
This is the post right. You are saying that she said we were afraid of scum!marv and that this means that she implicated some extra information about alignments.
But I also think she could be saying that we are holding a grudge from previous games as any alignment. It really isn't that clear to me.
On May 24 2023 21:12 Koshi wrote: marv and dp: "but she is new and she was on her meds and she tried "
blahblahblah
I am afk till after lynch.
It's called empathy bro, I am trying to put myself in her shoes and to try and understand her perspective, I want to lynch scum, I am ok to be wrong, but I want to make sure that we get the lynches as correct as possible and that means I want to do some due diligence about the lynch.
I recall so many occasions were people lynch the bad, "scum slipping" townie who is new. I think this town is able to determine if she is truly mafia or actually new/bad town so i'm keen to do that.
That does not mean that I won't lynch her (say if MZ comes back and is super townie, or there is more information regarding DMB) but I am keeping the option that she is town open, because, if you read her posts with an open mind, she is doing enough to warrant this.
Anyway, sorry you are not going to be around, im off to bed but will be around for the 4 hours or so before the lynch.
end of the World Party Mafia , murder on the Cruise Mafia. in the cruise one some people really seemd pissed of about marv. checked also a few other but just little bit.
did you fucking fact check this DP??? Or are you just being lazy mafia?
I won that game as mafia and marv was owned
On October 15 2016 06:01 beentheredonethat wrote:
Endgame
scott31337, Vanilla Town, has been lynched.
The mafia is victorious! Congratulations to a flawless victory to...
On October 15 2016 08:01 Skynx wrote: Koshi your scumplay is about to reach Superbia levels of out-thereness
On October 15 2016 08:25 Half the Sky wrote: gg wp scum......koshi....you're tearing it up. Reading your filters, it'd been hard to make a case on either you or JAT the way it was going, only thing noticable is that you weren't driving lynches like you normally do as town. But IDK that argument alone would have ever gotten you lynched esp before the lynchbait.
FYI, next game up for signups will close Monday or Tuesday if you are up for a themed game.
Other factors like Palmar and Marvellosity being afk for long times also nurtured the scum win but especially Koshi played a great game in my perception. Regarding justanothertownie: being the most active scum by far, I think he did a good job in driving a mislynch and averting lynch attempts that were aimed towards him. Still, having access to host QT, I think it would help jat to take a step back from the game and not be ad hom towards his teammates but that's just my impression.
I didn't read the game if that is what you were asking, I checked if it was a game that marv played in. I don't think not reading the game causes me to be lazy, or mafia FWIW.
On May 23 2023 23:09 die_meatbaby wrote:
On May 23 2023 23:02 Koshi wrote:
On May 23 2023 22:59 die_meatbaby wrote:
On May 23 2023 22:40 DarthPunk wrote: I think Marv is town for the record.
Me too. Most people here were directly at the beginning going hard on him, with almost no reason.
Like you on Vivax and rayn?
It seems like you guys stucking in an old game here where he maby scammed you hard und you still angry or scared of him. New game new Mafia...
This is the post right. You are saying that she said we were afraid of scum!marv and that this means that she implicated some extra information about alignments.
But I also think she could be saying that we are holding a grudge from previous games as any alignment. It really isn't that clear to me.
He scammed us as town????????????????????????????????
Maybe scammed you hard? - not indicative of alingment, remember language barriers.
and you are still angry or scared of him - scared he is mafia I grant that, but angry at a previous game was also mentioned.
I don't think it is accurate to not take every word as meaningful here.
On May 25 2023 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Onegu is super town i dont want to lynch him anymore. Only Meapak.
Fascinating lol
See what I mean? It feels like flailing. Like they were sure Vivax was safe and now he's not so it's panic mode lol
Umm... I mean I think I've been leading the vote for the last several hours and absolutely nobody has switched to vivax so I don't think that's a fair assessment of his (rayn's) behavior.
You don't feel it? I can. People want to lynch Vivax. But their biases and fear are staying their hands. I feel like 1 good case will do it but I wonder if I'm the one to do it - people already think I'm suspicious and never listen to me anyway.
Im down with a vivax lynch, for a variety of reasons.
1,) I feel like several times he has been trying to establish that he will go on some kind of revenge arc if DMB flips town, particularly with Marv
2.) I think if DMB is town, then there is probably some merit in the out of thread stuff she has been alluding to with him.
3.) he has been trying to establish a metric for his alignment equating to active = town, even though I think he would be active in this circumstance as either alignment due to the DMB stuff and there is also the fact that DMB stated he was lurking the thread for hours, at which point activity increased.
4.) I think rayn and DMB are correct in that he is not suspicious or seem like he is curious about solving the game, which in his own words is the very driver of the aforementioned activity tell he apparently has as town,.
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Hmph....
I fell more strongly about a Vivax lynch. I also think you are looking better recently so that's good. :D
why is VE looking better recently, and what does that have to do with if you lynch Vivax or MZ or anyone?
I generally agree with his reasoning with DMB and I like pushing Vivax. I like that he doesn't care about the thread sentiment, that it is difficult or unpopular to lynch Vivax and he has to fight with you to do it but will try regardless.
I like that he defended his town read on DMB when it would have been quite straightforward to just lynch her. I think you yourself stated something like why would I not just lynch DMB as mafia, i think the same reasoning applies to VE.
What has that got to do with whether I lynch vivax or MZ or anyone? nothing much, that preference is based on my feeling on their play, I would prefer to lynch vivax, but I was and still am willing to sheep Marv on the MZ wagon, as are many others.
I was just stating that because I was happy that VE, who I asked to play in this game, seems town to me.
On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf?????
and are you gonna do something about it?
By the way I have no idea why LS is town reading Vivax, do you? I see you ask him about it but unless i missed something racing through the thread, he hasn't answered.
[QUOTE]On May 25 2023 08:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [QUOTE]On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote: [QUOTE]On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [QUOTE]On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.[/QUOTE] Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad[/QUOTE]
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?[/QUOTE
[QUOTE]On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf?????[/QUOTE]
I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline.
I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null"
Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one: [QUOTE]On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.[/QUOTE]
Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast"[/QUOTE]
Ok I like this post, but it could be argued that I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. could also apply to you.
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?[/QUOTE
On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf?????
I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline.
I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null"
Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one:
On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.
Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast"
Ok I like this post, but it could be argued that I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. could also apply to you.
On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf?????
and are you gonna do something about it?
Actually if we can find a wagon that isn't Vivax that I like I will join it because I have him as a strong townread.
Why? if you break it down for me I will 100 percent consider it.
On May 25 2023 08:47 LightningStrike wrote: MZ I am not sure atm but I will do proper filter dives in about 5 minutes. @DP Vivax hides a lot more as scum than as town the fact he was having tinfoil hat type of stuff is more town indicative of him being town from playing with him over the time i had played in TL mafia.
Was he doing that when you initially town read him?
Why did you not mention that he was a town read of yours in your list post.
at the time of the initial town read he was not that active. so this kind of doesn't make sense.
Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
On May 25 2023 08:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: AND TO BE CLEAR ONEGU IS NOT EVEN MY TOP SCUM READ.
I feel like people aren't reading my posts clearly. I'd still rather lynch Vivax or LS or even Marv like I've been saying for a while. But again, town can play bad, one of my current suspects could flip town, Marv could wow me and turn into the towniest townie who ever town'd and I'd almost immediately slot Onegu into that spot.
I really don’t get how you can think Marv is a good lynch at this point.
On May 25 2023 08:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: AND TO BE CLEAR ONEGU IS NOT EVEN MY TOP SCUM READ.
I feel like people aren't reading my posts clearly. I'd still rather lynch Vivax or LS or even Marv like I've been saying for a while. But again, town can play bad, one of my current suspects could flip town, Marv could wow me and turn into the towniest townie who ever town'd and I'd almost immediately slot Onegu into that spot.
I am sorry but if you dont realise marv is town that is almost enough reasoning to lynch you.
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
On May 25 2023 09:00 DarthPunk wrote: Hey where did you go VE I CAME TO BE THE HERO IN YOUR TIME OF NEED. And you left immediately. That’s not very nice.
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
because things may and will change in hours between the posts.
OK, that is fine.
But that is the reason you gave for not voting him. If there are other reasons since then, could you let me know what they are?
I am also voting Vivax, so if that vote is wrong, hen I would like to know why.
This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia.
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
because things may and will change in hours between the posts.
OK, that is fine.
But that is the reason you gave for not voting him. If there are other reasons since then, could you let me know what they are?
I am also voting Vivax, so if that vote is wrong, hen I would like to know why.
This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia.
Because he probably thinks you're mafia DP.
The important thing is to get slam to vote Vivax, rayn isn't budging.
He has consistently put read me as town or close to town in all of his posts on the matter.
On May 25 2023 09:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: so no chance for a mafia lynch unless all of slam, onegu and chez are town. so embarrasing.
I'm currently the lynch, what does this post mean?
It means that he thinks that the townies are committed and too stubborn to move, and so unless all the last minute votes are town, mafia will be able to vote together to influence a vote onto the 'wrong wagon'
I think this analysis is not as straightforward as he is implying, I for one am open to new information and am paying careful attention to the voting patterns.
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
Because from his perspective it's optimal play, mafia whoever they are are going to try and influence the vote IF his reads are right. Taking his vote out of the manipulable votes reduces mafia's power to affect the outcome IF his reads are right. And he's reinforcing anyone who values his reads that he's not moving his vote so they shouldn't either in the case that I keep trying to lynch Vivax.
On May 25 2023 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Because he's not town? He like clearly doesn't give a shit about this game but he is active enough to make it look like he cares to non-readers like you. There's meta shit that's less interesting, but the point is that there's needless resistance to it and it's the righteous path.
On May 25 2023 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Because he's not town? He like clearly doesn't give a shit about this game but he is active enough to make it look like he cares to non-readers like you. There's meta shit that's less interesting, but the point is that there's needless resistance to it and it's the righteous path.
Have you read his filter recently?
Ugh NO DP I HAVEN'T READ IT RECENTLY
I thought I was here for most of it but I GUESS I should go take a look huh?
Vivax seemed to be coasting along and not really pursuing an active scum hunting agenda, he was basically the cheer squad for the dominant voices in the thread.
While on a re-read he seemed better to me than he did reading his posts in the thread context, I still would prefer to lynch him today.
MZ - the wagon here is really weird IMO, basically sheeping Marv and meta, if he is obviously scum you are all far beyond me in skill cause I just don't see it.
My perception of his posts improved ALOT reading just his filter. I don't think I would like him to be lynched today.
On May 25 2023 10:50 Chezinu wrote: So why we lynching Vivax?
Its either him or MZ at this point, I think he is more likely to be mafia read my recent posts on the matter, and also I think the fact LS crossvoted him is significant.
On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote: That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.
Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.
Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first.
I can understand being frustrated, but I'm not sure this level of hyperbole is useful.
Where’s the hyperbole?
P{lanning on lynching the entire wagon while stating one he thinks one mafia is on the other wagon. THe game will be over before he lynches all of us, it makes no sense and is just not useful.
On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote: That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.
Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.
Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first.
I can understand being frustrated, but I'm not sure this level of hyperbole is useful.
Where’s the hyperbole?
P{lanning on lynching the entire wagon while stating one he thinks one mafia is on the other wagon. THe game will be over before he lynches all of us, it makes no sense and is just not useful.
Not if he lynches multiple mafia going through the wagon it won’t be.
It will if, as he says, he thinks at least one mafia is on the other side.
Also im still not sure it wasn't town on town violence.
On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote: That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.
Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.
Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first.
I can understand being frustrated, but I'm not sure this level of hyperbole is useful.
Where’s the hyperbole?
P{lanning on lynching the entire wagon while stating one he thinks one mafia is on the other wagon. THe game will be over before he lynches all of us, it makes no sense and is just not useful.
Not if he lynches multiple mafia going through the wagon it won’t be.
It will if, as he says, he thinks at least one mafia is on the other side.
Also im still not sure it wasn't town on town violence.
It may yet have been, but jeez look at who you were with.
I am not arguing that I was right, clearly I was not, at the time Vivax and LS looked worse to me than VE and MZ and Slam
On May 25 2023 17:23 marvellosity wrote: DP, what’s your best guess at a scumteam?
Promise I won’t hold you to it but I’m struggling to see where you think the 3 mafia might lie given your posts.
I feel like you are mind reading me right now. Cause I was worrying about that just before deadline, there are too many town reads.
Honestly, I am feeling a bit outclassed in this game, there are a cohort (rayn and koshi) of really strong players who have strong control over the thread and seem town to me. I am legitimately paranoid that for various reasons they will never be considered as mafia and then we just lose straight up but much like you said, I think it is what it is at this point.
They look better or worse to me depending on their posting but solid town for the most part.
You are probably my strongest town read right now in a vacuum not considering meta, thread presence, etc.
The next tier of town reads was Alakaslam, basically because he agreed with things I agreed with and when he posted seemed quite productive and pro town, nothing he has said or done makes me think he is mafia.
Next tier is VE. he is a bit of a mess, and the reaction to the flip seemed to feel like an over reaction. Basically I was feeling pretty good on him but I am less confident after that wagon on Vivax.
DMB I am worried she just really overperformed as a new mafia player and sufficiently shit up the thread or was the obvious lynch for long that we basically over thought it. I still think my analysis prior to the flip was right, but I don't know what it means that Vivax, who she was sooo sure of flipped town. Probably it means she is less likely to be town.
AfK tier is CHEZ, Onegu no read at this point.
Don't like Lightning strike but he didn't lynch the doctor so that is something in his favor I suppose, depends on MZ alignment if it matters or not.
MZ is a coinflip at this point.
Basically my scum team would be looking something like
Lightning strike
2 of DMB, VE, MZ, Onegu
with the lurkers potentially switching out somewhere.
I am not feeling great with that but its where I am pretty much.
I am also really annoyed that Rayn would not tell me why Vivax was not mafia, because I literally asked him in the thread, and he said basically he could be mafia, that he wouldn't stop me lynching him, and that the reason he wouldn't lynch vivax is that his town reads were asleep and so it would be disproportionately affected by scum ( paraphrasing)
sorry babyy couldn't live with the fact that you are satisfied with such less information in the thread.
Time to redeem him and catch the mafia so we can all ride off into the sunset together.
Now you have a clean slate, you clearly know that rayn and vivax are not mafia together, that should give you some space to take a fresh perspective and let us know what you think about everyones alignment at this point.
On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote: Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that.
I can understand not wanting to get down in the dirt with the plebs
I mean if you were feeling ‘outclassed’ why exactly did you end up on the opposite wagon of your top 3 townreads? Logically that’s the perfect time to sheep…
I mean that now obviously, because I don't think VE could have realistically lynched Vivax without me.
On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote: Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that.
Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch.
And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake.
What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip.
I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already.
Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive.
On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote: Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that.
Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch.
And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake.
What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip.
I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already.
Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive.
I think you could be mafia. I will never make a case on you. I will yell all future days that I think you are mafia. I will never respect any read you make this game.
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
Can you seriously explain this Koshi if it was so obviously bad?
And its not like you thought MZ was obviously scum either.
On May 24 2023 20:34 marvellosity wrote: I’m less happy with a MB vote after her recent posts. Looks like she made an effort, researched, and thought about the game a bit. I would dislike a policy lynch, anyone voting MB needs to do so only because they think she has the best chance of flipping mafia.
MZ still lovely lynch.
Agreed. maybe ill just sheep you.
You guys are so gullible or just mafia.
Holy mozes.
She reads rayn and vivax mafia for the dumbest reason - gets a pass cuz new - She meta reads a situation perfectly if all protagonist are town even though the persons in this situation are mafia in her head. -She gets some flak finally- She invents a reason why she meta read like she did "research and reading filters" - she gets a pass for trying-
lolololololololol
fml
On May 25 2023 06:08 Koshi wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
Ok I am following daddy marv. I am too lost and I don't feel good anymore about lynching mebaby.
This does not scream obvious lynch or extreme confidence , at all and now you are trying to lynch 6 or 7 players because we were wrong.
OK I actually revoke my town read on you. This is too bad.
On May 25 2023 18:32 marvellosity wrote: rayn had some (unbelievably well played if mafia) self-doubt coming up to the lynch, especially without me or Koshi to bounce off.
I think it’s an incredibly natural townie reaction to have that sort of doubt. Honestly the evolution of my play over time has been increasing self doubt. The positive side to that is you tunnel less townies into oblivion. The downside is you tunnel less mafia into oblivion too.
I don’t know what to make of VE’s lack of doubt on Vivax, especially since such active/strong players were voicing doubts to him all day. Same with MZ’s lack of doubt about me tbh.
Neither are natural to me. But VE is a totally different sort of player to me.
Agreed and this is fine, but what is not fine is flying off the handle and acting like it is super obvious like Koshi is doing. Because it wasn't.
On May 25 2023 18:32 marvellosity wrote: rayn had some (unbelievably well played if mafia) self-doubt coming up to the lynch, especially without me or Koshi to bounce off.
I think it’s an incredibly natural townie reaction to have that sort of doubt. Honestly the evolution of my play over time has been increasing self doubt. The positive side to that is you tunnel less townies into oblivion. The downside is you tunnel less mafia into oblivion too.
I don’t know what to make of VE’s lack of doubt on Vivax, especially since such active/strong players were voicing doubts to him all day. Same with MZ’s lack of doubt about me tbh.
Neither are natural to me. But VE is a totally different sort of player to me.
Agreed and this is fine, but what is not fine is flying off the handle and acting like it is super obvious like Koshi is doing. Because it wasn't.
By his own admission no less he was feeling lost, and now he comes in acting all self-righteous when we don't even know MZ's alignment?
Is he actually just butthurt that he didn't get the lynch he wanted?
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
Can you seriously explain this Koshi if it was so obviously bad?
And its not like you thought MZ was obviously scum either.
On May 24 2023 20:51 Koshi wrote:
On May 24 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 24 2023 20:34 marvellosity wrote: I’m less happy with a MB vote after her recent posts. Looks like she made an effort, researched, and thought about the game a bit. I would dislike a policy lynch, anyone voting MB needs to do so only because they think she has the best chance of flipping mafia.
MZ still lovely lynch.
Agreed. maybe ill just sheep you.
You guys are so gullible or just mafia.
Holy mozes.
She reads rayn and vivax mafia for the dumbest reason - gets a pass cuz new - She meta reads a situation perfectly if all protagonist are town even though the persons in this situation are mafia in her head. -She gets some flak finally- She invents a reason why she meta read like she did "research and reading filters" - she gets a pass for trying-
lolololololololol
fml
On May 25 2023 06:08 Koshi wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
Ok I am following daddy marv. I am too lost and I don't feel good anymore about lynching mebaby.
This does not scream obvious lynch or extreme confidence , at all and now you are trying to lynch 6 or 7 players because we were wrong.
OK I actually revoke my town read on you. This is too bad.
wow what shall I do. No more townread from DP. lolololololololololololol
On May 25 2023 18:39 Koshi wrote: Of course everything is possible before a flip. Even when I read a game perfectly I still have the other voices in my head talking about 3 other scenarios that I must ignore.
That and actually lynching Vivax with VE, mebaby, MZ, Onegu which are your fucking townreads and town leaders most questionable people in the game is HILARIOUS
OK then, so you decided to sheep marv, and I considered it and then read the thread and obth the lynch targets filters again and made a decision to lynch the one I thought looked less actively town at the time.
How does that make me mafia?
Also you were not that helpful if I recall
On May 24 2023 21:12 Koshi wrote: marv and dp: "but she is new and she was on her meds and she tried "
On May 25 2023 18:42 Koshi wrote: Anyway. I hope DP is mafia and I caught him with his nonsensical "ohno cant have town easy townread LS".
But my ego aside I hope he is town and voted with 3 mafia on town doctor Vivax, and the next couple days he is going to scumread me and we will antagonize each other till the brink of WW3.
On May 25 2023 18:39 Koshi wrote: Of course everything is possible before a flip. Even when I read a game perfectly I still have the other voices in my head talking about 3 other scenarios that I must ignore.
That and actually lynching Vivax with VE, mebaby, MZ, Onegu which are your fucking townreads and town leaders most questionable people in the game is HILARIOUS
OK then, so you decided to sheep marv, and I considered it and then read the thread and obth the lynch targets filters again and made a decision to lynch the one I thought looked less actively town at the time.
How does that make me mafia?
Also you were not that helpful if I recall
On May 24 2023 21:12 Koshi wrote: marv and dp: "but she is new and she was on her meds and she tried "
blahblahblah
I am afk till after lynch.
I literally do not care about words, filters and logic anymore when talking to you. You voted Vivax when rayn, marv and myself were on MZ and we had a great time during D1.
This is so arrogant it's distasteful, just because you three had iron clad scum reads on MZ (hint only marv did) and made such strong arguments like,
I am lost im going to sheep daddy marv
then I should not have the gall to come up with my own analysis of the game? I should have bowed down to your obvious (to you) prowess.
On May 25 2023 18:42 Koshi wrote: Anyway. I hope DP is mafia and I caught him with his nonsensical "ohno cant have town easy townread LS".
But my ego aside I hope he is town and voted with 3 mafia on town doctor Vivax, and the next couple days he is going to scumread me and we will antagonize each other till the brink of WW3.
Can you quote what you’re talking about here Koshi?
From my filter or his?
I mean 4-5 people were townreading LS without any real basis and DP came back with a gigant post saying LS isn't as townie as we should think.
He wasn't and isn't. I'm glad you acknowledge that.
On May 25 2023 18:39 Koshi wrote: Of course everything is possible before a flip. Even when I read a game perfectly I still have the other voices in my head talking about 3 other scenarios that I must ignore.
That and actually lynching Vivax with VE, mebaby, MZ, Onegu which are your fucking townreads and town leaders most questionable people in the game is HILARIOUS
OK then, so you decided to sheep marv, and I considered it and then read the thread and obth the lynch targets filters again and made a decision to lynch the one I thought looked less actively town at the time.
How does that make me mafia?
Also you were not that helpful if I recall
On May 24 2023 21:12 Koshi wrote: marv and dp: "but she is new and she was on her meds and she tried "
blahblahblah
I am afk till after lynch.
I literally do not care about words, filters and logic anymore when talking to you. You voted Vivax when rayn, marv and myself were on MZ and we had a great time during D1.
This is so arrogant it's distasteful, just because you three had iron clad scum reads on MZ (hint only marv did) and made such strong arguments like,
I am lost im going to sheep daddy marv
then I should not have the gall to come up with my own analysis of the game? I should have bowed down to your obvious (to you) prowess.
That's not really fun, nor is it convincing.
The fun is over when you fuck over your 3 townleaders friends.
The fun is over when you behave like this honestly.
On May 25 2023 18:42 Koshi wrote: Anyway. I hope DP is mafia and I caught him with his nonsensical "ohno cant have town easy townread LS".
But my ego aside I hope he is town and voted with 3 mafia on town doctor Vivax, and the next couple days he is going to scumread me and we will antagonize each other till the brink of WW3.
Can you quote what you’re talking about here Koshi?
From my filter or his?
I mean 4-5 people were townreading LS without any real basis and DP came back with a gigant post saying LS isn't as townie as we should think.
He wasn't and isn't. I'm glad you acknowledge that.
I know. That's why it was a good play by you my mafia friend.
OK, well you can vote for me then and I can vote for you, and otherwise I will ignore you because if you are town then this is pointless, and if you are mafia I think you have slipped up a bit.
On May 25 2023 18:39 Koshi wrote: Of course everything is possible before a flip. Even when I read a game perfectly I still have the other voices in my head talking about 3 other scenarios that I must ignore.
That and actually lynching Vivax with VE, mebaby, MZ, Onegu which are your fucking townreads and town leaders most questionable people in the game is HILARIOUS
OK then, so you decided to sheep marv, and I considered it and then read the thread and obth the lynch targets filters again and made a decision to lynch the one I thought looked less actively town at the time.
How does that make me mafia?
Also you were not that helpful if I recall
On May 24 2023 21:12 Koshi wrote: marv and dp: "but she is new and she was on her meds and she tried "
blahblahblah
I am afk till after lynch.
I literally do not care about words, filters and logic anymore when talking to you. You voted Vivax when rayn, marv and myself were on MZ and we had a great time during D1.
This is so arrogant it's distasteful, just because you three had iron clad scum reads on MZ (hint only marv did) and made such strong arguments like,
I am lost im going to sheep daddy marv
then I should not have the gall to come up with my own analysis of the game? I should have bowed down to your obvious (to you) prowess.
That's not really fun, nor is it convincing.
The fun is over when you fuck over your 3 townleaders friends.
The fun is over when you behave like this honestly.
Yes it is the egg en chicken story. You betrayed us. Now there is this.
marv is a gentle soul. Talk to him. He is way less vindictive than I am. Well he isn't at all. And I am 101%
Well I addressed this earlier, but I think if you are town, this is actually a result of ego and hurt pride rather than a genuine effort to determine my alignment, or anyone else's for that matter.
On May 24 2023 20:34 marvellosity wrote: I’m less happy with a MB vote after her recent posts. Looks like she made an effort, researched, and thought about the game a bit. I would dislike a policy lynch, anyone voting MB needs to do so only because they think she has the best chance of flipping mafia.
MZ still lovely lynch.
Agreed. maybe ill just sheep you.
You guys are so gullible or just mafia.
Holy mozes.
She reads rayn and vivax mafia for the dumbest reason - gets a pass cuz new - She meta reads a situation perfectly if all protagonist are town even though the persons in this situation are mafia in her head. -She gets some flak finally- She invents a reason why she meta read like she did "research and reading filters" - she gets a pass for trying-
lolololololololol
fml
On May 24 2023 20:52 Koshi wrote: Ok. So marv and dp are mafia or teamed up with mafia.
Call us both mafia,
On May 24 2023 21:12 Koshi wrote: marv and dp: "but she is new and she was on her meds and she tried "
blahblahblah
I am afk till after lynch.
Feels very strongly about a DMB lynch, which is fine
end of the World Party Mafia , murder on the Cruise Mafia. in the cruise one some people really seemd pissed of about marv. checked also a few other but just little bit.
did you fucking fact check this DP??? Or are you just being lazy mafia?
I won that game as mafia and marv was owned
On October 15 2016 06:01 beentheredonethat wrote:
Endgame
scott31337, Vanilla Town, has been lynched.
The mafia is victorious! Congratulations to a flawless victory to...
On October 15 2016 08:01 Skynx wrote: Koshi your scumplay is about to reach Superbia levels of out-thereness
On October 15 2016 08:25 Half the Sky wrote: gg wp scum......koshi....you're tearing it up. Reading your filters, it'd been hard to make a case on either you or JAT the way it was going, only thing noticable is that you weren't driving lynches like you normally do as town. But IDK that argument alone would have ever gotten you lynched esp before the lynchbait.
FYI, next game up for signups will close Monday or Tuesday if you are up for a themed game.
Other factors like Palmar and Marvellosity being afk for long times also nurtured the scum win but especially Koshi played a great game in my perception. Regarding justanothertownie: being the most active scum by far, I think he did a good job in driving a mislynch and averting lynch attempts that were aimed towards him. Still, having access to host QT, I think it would help jat to take a step back from the game and not be ad hom towards his teammates but that's just my impression.
Yeah I saw he didn't win, but you still going hard on him when you go through the posts their. Def. not lazy
On May 23 2023 22:40 DarthPunk wrote: I think Marv is town for the record.
Me too. Most people here were directly at the beginning going hard on him, with almost no reason.
Like you on Vivax and rayn?
It seems like you guys stucking in an old game here where he maby scammed you hard und you still angry or scared of him. New game new Mafia...
THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE WITH READING CRUISE MAFIA.
SHE IS LYING
1) Shown potential TMI twice 2) Shiting up thread 3) Lying 4) trash reads that don't get updated when confronted
DMB is lying and obvious scum, and Marv and DP must be scum for not wanting to lynch her.
On May 24 2023 21:19 Koshi wrote: She types X. She gets called out on X She says I read cruise mafia and people were angry at marv and that is why I wrote X
When looking at it, it doesn't make any sense why she would write X after reading cruise mafia.
DP and marv: "seems legit, super town, wouldn't lynch, effort was shown"
After calling us scum, then reacts as if we are both town, because he is framing us as having an analytical mindset which one will only have as town, this is inconsistent and basically makes no sense.
On May 24 2023 21:18 Vivax wrote: That was a good post about marv though. Mafia marv while less motivated always was a super tough lynch.
I don‘t know how she would know that but in case of a genuine guess it was spot on.
Probably from seeing him get pressured for no reason, which is also why I thought mb scum = marv town. Not uncommon that mafia go against the grain when they see a townie under pressure for what they know is nothing.
Instead she says she made the read because she read cruise mafia in which marv was afk town and I won as mafia.
So how does it compute that I am angry at marv for scamming me ???
On May 24 2023 20:56 Koshi wrote: I was not town for her at that time. The other person must be rayn or DP and they were not town for her at that time.
So she went to check some magical previous game in which she found the exact scenario in which mafia!marv owned us and we are still butthurt about it and she writes "new game guis don't be buuthurt" which fucking indicates she reads the attackers as town.
end of the World Party Mafia , murder on the Cruise Mafia. in the cruise one some people really seemd pissed of about marv. checked also a few other but just little bit.
Then there is this. Which may or may not tie to her previous comment but here she says that in cruise some people were pissed of at marv.
So I do 1+1 and tie both comments together and see the second comment as some sort of explanation why she made the first comment.
Then I checked the cruise game.
And the explanation doesn't hold water because marv wasn't even mafia that game and lost as inactive town.
On May 25 2023 03:37 Koshi wrote: imagine marv being mafia and going for the obvious mafia misslynch MZ and getting flak from town!MZ the entire game for it.
On May 25 2023 03:20 marvellosity wrote: On a more general, higher level about the whole game;
Town are fucked if both rayn and Koshi are mafia. Too much thread control. Fortunately I don’t think that is the case at all. If one is mafia (still don’t think so) then I’m sort of relying on the other to start calling them out.
So I take into account both of their opinion fairly strongly. So while I’m a lot less sure on MB than they are, if I’m going to follow 2 players it’s them, and that may be the right thing to do here.
Your aggression towards me is fairly bizarre though MZ. Assuming you are town, you must at least understand what I’m saying about you. You’re a good enough player to understand that a mafia playing ‘cleanly’ is very much a thing. So the fact you disregard that is weird.
Why are you just randomly throwing suspicion on them, do you think they're not town? What purpose does this serve other than to do exactly what I accused you of doing yesterday which is muddle up the thread.
My aggression from you stems from frustration because I know you good enough as a town player to have real reads at this point in the game and instead all you've got is a weak ass case against me which you're now defending with yet more WIFOM. I'm really left with no other conclusion that you're scum.
Also your VE progression is terrible, going from "not suspicious" to "something's not right" without explaining what you think about it isn't right is just more of the constant baseless and vague accusations I've come to expect from you this game.
I'm not really interested in reading any more posts by you unless they contain clear cases backed up with explanations to your thought process as to why you find someone scummy. I'm tired minimal effort.
This is a pretty townie post regardless of marv his alignment. MZ is like dafuq dude I am town and I am all you got?
On May 25 2023 03:20 marvellosity wrote: On a more general, higher level about the whole game;
Town are fucked if both rayn and Koshi are mafia. Too much thread control. Fortunately I don’t think that is the case at all. If one is mafia (still don’t think so) then I’m sort of relying on the other to start calling them out.
So I take into account both of their opinion fairly strongly. So while I’m a lot less sure on MB than they are, if I’m going to follow 2 players it’s them, and that may be the right thing to do here.
Your aggression towards me is fairly bizarre though MZ. Assuming you are town, you must at least understand what I’m saying about you. You’re a good enough player to understand that a mafia playing ‘cleanly’ is very much a thing. So the fact you disregard that is weird.
Why are you just randomly throwing suspicion on them, do you think they're not town? What purpose does this serve other than to do exactly what I accused you of doing yesterday which is muddle up the thread.
My aggression from you stems from frustration because I know you good enough as a town player to have real reads at this point in the game and instead all you've got is a weak ass case against me which you're now defending with yet more WIFOM. I'm really left with no other conclusion that you're scum.
Also your VE progression is terrible, going from "not suspicious" to "something's not right" without explaining what you think about it isn't right is just more of the constant baseless and vague accusations I've come to expect from you this game.
I'm not really interested in reading any more posts by you unless they contain clear cases backed up with explanations to your thought process as to why you find someone scummy. I'm tired minimal effort.
This is a pretty townie post regardless of marv his alignment. MZ is like dafuq dude I am town and I am all you got?
Do you have anything else on MZ town-wise. I’m fairly keen not to spend my time tunnelling a townie for however long if that is indeed the case.
No sadly not. I don't think he is townie tbh. I just think he is such an obvious lynch that I don't know if he was mafia he would just open so badly we all gut read him mafia.
Backtracks with any pressure at all from marv, who literally he was calling mafia posts ago, with no explanation or reason for this change.
On May 25 2023 03:59 Koshi wrote: Must say MZ when MZ is in the thread he engages with his reads and is figuring things out. First with VE and then marv. And all those interactions were pretty ok. Legit stuff, pressuring the person he is talking to and try to figure them out.
He is pretty ok now that I think of it.
MZ is ok.
On May 25 2023 04:17 Koshi wrote: Can we lynch people on their birthday? That sounds against the rules.
Koshi abcktracking because its her birthday??
SO now, the obv mafia DMB is not the lynch because it is her birthday, and because Chezinu is a question mark. Does this sound like someone who was rabidly calling her obvious scum and a lair and other players scum for considering other options?
Its not genuine regardless.
On May 25 2023 04:27 Koshi wrote: Staying on mebaby I meant.
But its ok he is staying on MBB
On May 25 2023 06:08 Koshi wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
Ok I am following daddy marv. I am too lost and I don't feel good anymore about lynching mebaby.
All of a sudden, Koshi is sheeping marv, someone he called mafia, onto MZ someone he called town or townie, for what I can see no real reasons aside from maybe consolodation, but even then was not directing the vote onto Chezinu who ostensibly he thought should be lynched not long prior to this massive backflip.
At this point he leaves the thread, openly states he hasn't read any of the posts that he has missed and comes back with:
On May 25 2023 16:00 Koshi wrote: I must thank you for making this game memorable. This is truly amazing. Never could I have imagined that a wagon with marv, koshi,rayn and Vivax could be overtrown after the D1 we had. But you did it. Even more amazing if you did this with 3 mafia on MZ and MZ town.
That's sickly amazing. To fuck over town leaders and most active people and get the town doctor lynch.
Amazing.
On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote: That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.
Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.
Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first.
He wants to lynch us all, without cause or analysis, over a mislynch he clearly cared little about, and had no stated reasoning behind his vote other than he was lost and wanted to sheep Marv,
I realize this will probably get dismissed because of meta or feel reads, and I understand that, But I hope that the town will at least consider how very wrong Koshi has been playing since the first part of the game, particularly his filter after I suggested I would sheep MZ, and at least reconsider him when considering how the games plays out in the days ahead.
WE can all agree that he is a skilled player, he could be doing this as scum, and the dramatic fall off in play, and actively trying to determine people's alignment, to protecting his thread presence and "circle" of close players is bad.
On May 25 2023 19:10 marvellosity wrote: Even if you think Koshi is being bad right now, DP, do you genuinely believe these reactions make him mafia? You’ve played together before right?
On May 25 2023 19:10 marvellosity wrote: Even if you think Koshi is being bad right now, DP, do you genuinely believe these reactions make him mafia? You’ve played together before right?
I think so but I can't remember him at all.
Oh as if. I was being sarcastic/rhetorical with the last question!
On May 25 2023 19:10 marvellosity wrote: Even if you think Koshi is being bad right now, DP, do you genuinely believe these reactions make him mafia? You’ve played together before right?
I think so but I can't remember him at all.
Oh as if. I was being sarcastic/rhetorical with the last question!
I literally can’t though.
Well, highly emotional reactions to such wagons/flips are typical. I’m not saying he can’t do it as mafia, but it’s certainly consistent with his town play as well.
If I’m choosing between you two, you’re definitely not going to like the answer
That’s fine. It’s not any less than I expected. But I don’t really care tbh.
On May 25 2023 19:34 marvellosity wrote: I dont see how most of that could make him mafia? For example you are misrepresenting a couple of bits - for example where you say he calls MZ town. In that post he is speaking as if he is MZ and callling himself town, you can see that right?
He says. This is a pretty townie post regardless of marv his alignment. - referring to the post of MZ
MZ is like dafuq dude I am town and I am all you got? - this part he acts as if he is MZ
Still referred to the post as townie.
On May 25 2023 19:34 marvellosity wrote: Koshi is pretty consistent on MZ most of the game. And interacts with me when I question him when he appears to be softening.
He called you mafia and I mafia for trying to vote for him, he then votes for him and fly's off the handle when he is not lynched.
I would call that a lot of things but consistent is not one of them.
On May 25 2023 19:34 marvellosity wrote: I also think the drop off DMB was a natural one. There’s no reason a mafia Koshi needs to do this.
HE dropped her because vivax wanted it and it was her birthday as far as I can see, having just read his filter. That is not how you react when you are 100 percent sure she is town and literally posts this:
On May 25 2023 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi i think we should at least consider some other lynch.
It's me you and marv here and every fucking other soul disappeared when we were lynching mebaby and marv said if it comes to that he agrees. Why?
Look. I want her flipped. The closer to deadline the more she changed her "fuck you all" attitude and started to post reasonable and asked town a couple times to not vote her out.
Then as soon as I opened up to not get her lynched, she left while basically emotionally blackmailing town with the exact thing I was advocating for her not to get lynched. (birthday)
I mean... That is pretty treacherous or what's the word.
I can see her last 12 hours giving it all after getting some positive feedback in mafia QT and her not wanting to let her taemmates down.
As town, I more likely would expect her to continue to be vicious and angry. She would be alone and why break character?
Or maybe Vivax his vote and some posts made her revisit her actions.
Like... I don't want to not lynch her for some off chance VE and MZ are mafia together or something.
LS felt ok. He always does the meta stuff. I think he would feel slightly more off as mafia? Not so friendly maybe? Also the pushback on him feels mafia panicking that there are too many confirmed townies.
I am fine with Vivax, rayn, marv
I don't know about VE. My head doesn't want to understand MZ for some reason. Only surface. DP could be a very good mafia. Active and doing slight modifications on thread sentiment. (Like not letting LS be easy townread and was quickly to call Mebaby town, just to 180 as soon as I pushed back on the idea; then hid behind the 180 because you also did an 180)
Then there is the lurkers and slam.
21 minutes before switching with literally no reason except sheeping someone on a lynch he called two of the most pro town people in the game scum for. There is no reason town koshi needs to do this, also wifom.
On May 25 2023 19:34 marvellosity wrote: Just can’t see anywhere in what you wrote why it makes Koshi mafia.
It's unfortunate but not unexpected with the state of the thread, but how about:
Overconfident with little shared reasoning or apparent reasons for his confidence.
Flip flopping with no discernible reasons provided.
trying to lynch people/calling them mafia because they disagree not because there is a good reason they are mafia.
Rapidly declining interest activity in determining alignments,
trying to set up a series of lynches without discussion
He genuinely seems more upset that people didn't listen to his clique over the result of said lynch, (ignoring scenarios of town MZ for example)
That is not a mindset of finding mafia, that is a mindset oriented around protecting himself and controlling the thread, both of which are very strong plays mafia.
On May 25 2023 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: onegu too boss to be town. vivax too little paranoid to be town.
after this post V got many votes
Do you think there was some hypnotic message hidden behind that message that made others vote Vivax?
Why should I have sheeped this lynch when posts like this existed? Why was it so obvious to you only after the flip, and before it was basically whatever.
On May 25 2023 19:47 marvellosity wrote: Well, you should care.
Why? are you going to lynch me for it?
Maybe?
Like do you genuinely believe a highly active player flip flopping all over the place is particularly scummy?
You know that’s the opposite of what mafia actually do, right?
I mean if you think I am the best lynch and can articulate why I am mafia, go right ahead.
It's not scummy if it is evident why those changes are made, and it makes sense. I would argue that this has not been evident, at least it is not evident to me based on what he posted in the thread.
Recently Koshi has flipped flopped with extreme confidence for no discernable reason and;
He is less interested in finding mafia or determining alignments.\
and;
He is shit posting and very oriented around maintaining his control/ punishing those who didn't follow his preferred lynch.
I think his play was really strong early on, but it has been shit for the past 24 hours and the free pass doesn't run forever.
and you and I both know that good players can play all sorts of different styles as mafia, I think I look more town as mafia than as town, you have been active and afk as mafia.
I think Koshi is good enough that he thinks (probably correctly) that he can just post all sorts of garbage and get away with it, thats fine, as long as it ends up in a place i can understand and empathise with.
But that disappeared a while ago, and now I think he could be scum, because his thinking is just too wrong
On May 25 2023 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: onegu too boss to be town. vivax too little paranoid to be town.
after this post V got many votes
Do you think there was some hypnotic message hidden behind that message that made others vote Vivax?
no not really. Was smart from him. At the start of the game when I was saying he and V are mafia. He was never saying something that make people think about V as m. After we talked at this point i was writing somewhere that i would easy switch my opinion from him to town just need more writing stuff. after that he going to post this and all people start to be against V
I wonder what rayn his secret is. I typed Vivax is town and for some reason that didn't stop 6 people to vote for him.
Do you think rayn arranges his words in a special way to make it more convincing?
I can tell you the answer: he actually provides reasons for all his reads, and those tend to resonate with people.
On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote: Hi, I'm the sub for Sentinel. I'm caught up, but just pushed 1400 posts through my brain at top speed so don't expect me to be 100% on the ball. I'm going off vibes, so please feel free to correct me.
I've played before, maybe 10 newbie games. I'm an IRL friend of DP. I've also played meatspace werewolf a fair amount. I haven't played forum mafia in close to a decade, and don't really plan on approaching the game the same way anyway.
From what I see, there seems to be some mutual respect between Rayne, DP, and Marv. Almost like they are playing for who controls the endgame and the rest of you are just the social environment that facilitates it. Out of the three, I have no idea why people are acting like Marv is obviously town. He plays like an empty vessel. I'm obviously not part of whatever meta you guys have, but IMO MZ's aggression towards Marv has been warranted.
I would have voted for Vivax over MZ, who I get a town read off.
So I guess my first question is why Marv is just getting a free walk here? What makes everyone so certain he's town when for the most part he's not exerted any influence? IMO both Rayn and DP have provided insight, and in my eyes are earning their status, but not Marv.
Regarding VE, they strike me as committed to a bit. I'm not sure why they had such insane confidence, but honestly, a lot of how you guys talk comes off as fake to me.
You realise marv lead the wagon on MZ right. So that [i]literally [/i ]means he was exerting influence.
I think there are probably two camps in regards to reading marvs alignment disclaimer: i haven;t played with these guys for 7 years before this.
1: meta marv has a bit of a rep (unfairly IMO) of not being a great player of scum and going afk/being inactive.
2. the things he has said has resonated with the thoughts of others who were thinking similar things at the same time and: he seems to be trying to figure out the game with his thoughts and questions.
On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia.
I think you both may vote for Vivax if you want to, i am not gonna stand in the way. I just don't think you're likely to lynch mafia, although there is a chance he is mafia lol.. I guess that's me saying it's not my preferred lynch in a way, or i dont even know what i am saying anymore, havent slept in almost a day.
Do what you do, i dont think there is any more players for me to change their opinion onto what i want o be the lynch, so up to you. If you dont want Meapak lynched, do something about it.
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
I will need to analyse this further.
So rayn made a comment that opened the gate to make 6 people vote Vivax. And all these posts I read in his filter saying MZ was a better lynch in his eyes were inefficient.
So which voodoo did he use to make that 1 message so much more powerful?
I shall need to contact the Brown for this.
Have you read all the posts yet?
I literally asked him why, and he gave no reasons, and then later tacitly agreed with VE that it was because of the fact that you had all agreed to the lynch prior and he didn't want scum to influence at the end.
On May 25 2023 20:38 die_meatbaby wrote: The thing is a heard before we started the game marv and Koshi are the most strong gamer (said by Vivax) Koshi is going to hard in this thread to be mafia. Would be to fucking insane if he realy is. Marv make like mild and save posts here. Also looked like he tried to get the attention from mafia on me. But i would wait now what will happen in the night. Mafia can kill somebody it will not be me becauce i will get voted out soon, becauce i played in my unique crazy style. If marv dies in the first night i will def vote on MZ or VE but first MZ for shure. If marv don´t die in the first night i could be mafia. Mafia only let people die who scare them, I am def not one of them becauce almost killed my self here with my random thoughts.
I am glad we kept you.
just because i said you are one of the strongest player. I just repeat V´s words with the first sentence here.
On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia.
I think you both may vote for Vivax if you want to, i am not gonna stand in the way. I just don't think you're likely to lynch mafia, although there is a chance he is mafia lol.. I guess that's me saying it's not my preferred lynch in a way, or i dont even know what i am saying anymore, havent slept in almost a day.
Do what you do, i dont think there is any more players for me to change their opinion onto what i want o be the lynch, so up to you. If you dont want Meapak lynched, do something about it.
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
I will need to analyse this further.
So rayn made a comment that opened the gate to make 6 people vote Vivax. And all these posts I read in his filter saying MZ was a better lynch in his eyes were inefficient.
So which voodoo did he use to make that 1 message so much more powerful?
I shall need to contact the Brown for this.
Have you read all the posts yet?
I literally asked him why, and he gave no reasons, and then later tacitly agreed with VE that it was because of the fact that you had all agreed to the lynch prior and he didn't want scum to influence at the end.
The next time I take a shit I will put some glitter on it, look at it for 30 seconds and flush. I think that will be more tasteful than reading the 350 posts before the Vivax lynch.
Well in the interest of accuracy then, maybe you shouldn't put weight on that section of the game if you don't care to read. it.
Or ask questions about it
Or declare you will lynch half the town as a result of it.
On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia.
I think you both may vote for Vivax if you want to, i am not gonna stand in the way. I just don't think you're likely to lynch mafia, although there is a chance he is mafia lol.. I guess that's me saying it's not my preferred lynch in a way, or i dont even know what i am saying anymore, havent slept in almost a day.
Do what you do, i dont think there is any more players for me to change their opinion onto what i want o be the lynch, so up to you. If you dont want Meapak lynched, do something about it.
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
I will need to analyse this further.
So rayn made a comment that opened the gate to make 6 people vote Vivax. And all these posts I read in his filter saying MZ was a better lynch in his eyes were inefficient.
So which voodoo did he use to make that 1 message so much more powerful?
I shall need to contact the Brown for this.
Have you read all the posts yet?
I literally asked him why, and he gave no reasons, and then later tacitly agreed with VE that it was because of the fact that you had all agreed to the lynch prior and he didn't want scum to influence at the end.
The next time I take a shit I will put some glitter on it, look at it for 30 seconds and flush. I think that will be more tasteful than reading the 350 posts before the Vivax lynch.
Well in the interest of accuracy then, maybe you shouldn't put weight on that section of the game if you don't care to read. it.
Or ask questions about it
Or declare you will lynch half the town as a result of it.
Not having read it and all.
Half of the town (the bad part) and all the mafia.
On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote: So I guess my first question is why Marv is just getting a free walk here? What makes everyone so certain he's town when for the most part he's not exerted any influence?
He didn't get a free walk. We attacked marv and then welcomed him in the town circle after vetting him. It's ok if you missed that. You might have read discussions about a mebaby post saying marv looked town that scammed people in a previous game and now everybody is attacking him.
Also. You say some people feel fake (because we force reads most likely), and then you don't like marv for "not exerting" any influence. That is a contradiction you should try to get rid of. marv is indeed a calm player, and is not yelling and swearing. But he did get his preferred target 5 votes. So he influenced at least that. Or was that somebody else his doing?
Can you give me a time frame for when this vetting occurred? Because IMO that early nonsense where people push and pull based on nothing but farts means zero so establishing someone's alignment forevermore during that primordial soup is not a strong foundation for a town.
RE: Contradiction It's not a contradiction. Having genuine reads is not the opposite of passivity. He asks a lot of questions (good), but then doesn't seem to take them anywhere in service to anything but his survival.
I don't like fake reads, I think they muddy shit up. They're necessary to get the ball rolling, but once the ball is rolling I expect genuine reads not empty accusations. The ball is rolling and has been for a while, so IMO we don't need them.
Again, to reiterate, confirmed town VIvax made the same case at almost the same time as me on MZ
Seriously, think about it a bit. Vivax’s read is literally confirmed townie. Mine, made at the same time is …… ?
On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote: Hi, I'm the sub for Sentinel. I'm caught up, but just pushed 1400 posts through my brain at top speed so don't expect me to be 100% on the ball. I'm going off vibes, so please feel free to correct me.
I've played before, maybe 10 newbie games. I'm an IRL friend of DP. I've also played meatspace werewolf a fair amount. I haven't played forum mafia in close to a decade, and don't really plan on approaching the game the same way anyway.
From what I see, there seems to be some mutual respect between Rayne, DP, and Marv. Almost like they are playing for who controls the endgame and the rest of you are just the social environment that facilitates it. Out of the three, I have no idea why people are acting like Marv is obviously town. He plays like an empty vessel. I'm obviously not part of whatever meta you guys have, but IMO MZ's aggression towards Marv has been warranted.
I would have voted for Vivax over MZ, who I get a town read off.
So I guess my first question is why Marv is just getting a free walk here? What makes everyone so certain he's town when for the most part he's not exerted any influence? IMO both Rayn and DP have provided insight, and in my eyes are earning their status, but not Marv.
Regarding VE, they strike me as committed to a bit. I'm not sure why they had such insane confidence, but honestly, a lot of how you guys talk comes off as fake to me.
Not exerted any influence? My target would have been lynched if not for some crazy EOD shenanigans and the fact i was asleep. How Much more influence do you want?
if you are town you will die in the first night for shure. Mafia are to scared of good players like you, so they make you die, because they know people would vote me out directly and so we lose 3 town people in D1 N1 and D2. If you don´t die in this night you are more likly to be mafia (for me) and people would vote on you on d2
... ... ... Can I please get shot so I can see marv defending himself against MZ, TTT and Mebaby while DP is cackling maniacally in the corner?
why you think dp?
I am stuck between thinking he cant think, or that he really should stop trying.
I am town then? so you calling me mafia was not genuine?
On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia.
I think you both may vote for Vivax if you want to, i am not gonna stand in the way. I just don't think you're likely to lynch mafia, although there is a chance he is mafia lol.. I guess that's me saying it's not my preferred lynch in a way, or i dont even know what i am saying anymore, havent slept in almost a day.
Do what you do, i dont think there is any more players for me to change their opinion onto what i want o be the lynch, so up to you. If you dont want Meapak lynched, do something about it.
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
I will need to analyse this further.
So rayn made a comment that opened the gate to make 6 people vote Vivax. And all these posts I read in his filter saying MZ was a better lynch in his eyes were inefficient.
So which voodoo did he use to make that 1 message so much more powerful?
I shall need to contact the Brown for this.
Have you read all the posts yet?
I literally asked him why, and he gave no reasons, and then later tacitly agreed with VE that it was because of the fact that you had all agreed to the lynch prior and he didn't want scum to influence at the end.
The next time I take a shit I will put some glitter on it, look at it for 30 seconds and flush. I think that will be more tasteful than reading the 350 posts before the Vivax lynch.
Well in the interest of accuracy then, maybe you shouldn't put weight on that section of the game if you don't care to read. it.
Or ask questions about it
Or declare you will lynch half the town as a result of it.
Not having read it and all.
Half of the town (the bad part) and all the mafia.
The broken clock is correct twice per day.
As far as we know that is twice times more than you.
On May 25 2023 21:32 TankTopTiger wrote: Nah this is BS. Absence of evidence and all that. I'm asking you to substantiate your town status. You say you made a case but can't point to it. Now I have to remember or reread every single post or can't question you. Bullshit.
Koshi says you were vetted but that's not what I remember. You say you made a case but that's not what I remember.
I'm not reading it all again. There's an easy way to clear this up.
I don't need it right now, we've got three days until next lynch. Do you have access to a computer in that time?
He did make a case FWIW.
On May 24 2023 17:14 marvellosity wrote: First post of the game on a computer for me, hurrah! And first post of today with clothes on, you'll all be thrilled to hear. I'm going to summarise where I'm at.
Koshi and rayn seem pretty-to-very town to me, at least if they are not I am not going to be catching them very soon. rayn thinks what I think a good bunch of the time. Koshi loves to vote for me d1 as town (not that that's the reason for the read, but ya know)
DP I am no longer particularly suspicious of, I don't think I have a reason to be.
VE I don't think I am suspicious of either. Some of his posts are very ?????? to me, but I don't think that makes him mafia. VE loves a big or crazy sort of play as mafia and he's not afraid to put himself out there, but I don't think it's like this?
Vivax I am unsure of. Tonally I think he looks fairly town, but before I looked at his filter just now I'm at least somewhat suspicious of him. It feels to me that a town-Vivax should be using all his irl leverage to really question and dig into MB's alignment, rather than giving occasional summaries of his thoughts. I just imagine myself in Vivax's position - I would want nothing more than to determine the alignment of my friend. I did re-read his filter though and it also didn't scream mafia particularly apart from that, random comment about MB being mafia spews me town, is that something he writes as mafia?
Slam could be anything (if there's a way to tell that I can't remember, enlighten me). LS I am also very null on.
MB I don't have much else to add than what Koshi said and my response to what Koshi said not long ago. Could easily be mafia, meatbaby - I really encourage you to post your thoughts and reasoning behind them as much as possible today
MZ I think is mafia. It was floating around in my brain yesterday, but the case against me at least looked clean and (some) of his posts maybe looked okay, so I wasn't sure how to pinpoint what I was thinking. But rayn's comments about MZ and how his posting style appeared to him in past games really resonated to me and helped me make sense of my thoughts. Actually his case against me is too clean/obvious, and I don't think he's actually trying to discern my alignment. I think he is playing the way an old-school scum player plays, relatively unruffly comments, targeting someone (me) that has at least some thread traction, a case that 'makes sense' but doesn't dig any further.
##vote: MZ
P.S. I am slightly sad that we have 2 non-posters, I hope at least 2 mafia sit in the people actually playing, or it's gonna be sucky.
On May 25 2023 21:35 TankTopTiger wrote: TBH You could just summarise it and I'll trust the collective other 10 people to fact check you. This doesn't have to be hard. We could already be done.
He follows that post I linked with heaps prodding about MZ reads etc.
Basically, you can know this is the case because multiple people discussed sheeping marv, which means they were following his read and case, and that wouldn't be possible without Marv having made the case in the first place.
On May 26 2023 10:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Hypocritical how? Because I haven't done anything this night-phase?
I meant THEY look bad for not doing anything overnight because they didn't do anything OVER THE DAY. I did a lot of stuff over the day, haven't I fucking done enough for 1 cycle?
Yeah we lynched the fucking doctor. Pretty fantastic aren't we.
On May 26 2023 09:11 TankTopTiger wrote: RE: DP I just reread his filter. I think I consider him more reasonable a lot of the time which is not the same as insightful. Other than his strong town read on Marv, I see a lot of this game the same. So I came away with the impression he had demonstrated more insight than he had. I didn't like DP's posts early on (first 400 posts or so). It came across as corporate placation speak to me. But as there was more to talk about I felt he was consistently providing reads I agreed with.
On May 24 2023 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: People i don't want to lynch: Koshi Lightningstrike marvellosity
Probably not Darthpunk either. From what i know DP is very aware of the state of the game when he is mafia, not afraid to engage in conversations with his scumbuddies, basically he tends to look very town especially early on. This game i feel like DP is more like.. clueless(?) at times, and i think it's more likely genuine "i don't know what's going on" rather than "i pretend i don't really know what's going on". If DP would be mafia he would probably be mafia with two peopel who haven't posted yet.
VE goes to the same category. I don't really agree with his conclusions, hell i don't even know why he writes what he writes but i don't really think VE as mafia would write what he writes.
Vivax looks active and i'd say more likely town too. I didn't hate his last post, although there is a creeping suspicion about him and meatbaby goin like "hey can i say this in thread" -- "yeah it's fine, noone will believe you anyways and it's great distancing anyways", but i don't really have any other reason to think Vivax is mafia atm, and that reasoning in itself is stupid.
Would lyncherino:
meatbaby -- what Koshi said
MZ is tricky. Last couple (three?) games i have been mafia and every time MZ goes to post something D1 i go like "man how the hell can anyone think anything like that (he has been town)?!?!?!" and then i go "man, how the hell can anyone think MZ is mafia?!?!?" and everyone wants to lynch him.. I don't get the same feeling at all here. Maybe it's because i am not mafia and i am looking at the game differently with not all the information. I can see MZ genuinely thinking marv is mafia but something just doesn't sit right there.
Slam is the least of these three. It's not really alignment indicative for him to "cling" on someone and answer to (all of) their posts, but nothing really makes me think he is town. Probably not mafia together with marv is my best conclusion atm.
Everyone who has not posted can also die for all i care. Or anyone who has posted and i had not in my list.
I liked Rayn's take on DP and on others. It feels like they have meta takes, but don't just regurgitate them and assume everyone shares them. I'm not privy to past games (or don't have the time to read them), so them sharing this insight is appreciated. In comparison, Koshi and Marv feel like they're trying to make me shut up if I don't agree with the thing they refuse to explain. Which is how to survive but not how to lead IMO.
This ^^ is why people listen to rayn btw @Koshi.
TTT who would you like to lynch next cycle? aside from marv who do you think is most suspicious right now?
On May 26 2023 10:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Hypocritical how? Because I haven't done anything this night-phase?
I meant THEY look bad for not doing anything overnight because they didn't do anything OVER THE DAY. I did a lot of stuff over the day, haven't I fucking done enough for 1 cycle?
Yeah we lynched the fucking doctor. Pretty fantastic aren't we.
I imagine D2 is going to be A FUCKING LOT of DP and VE filtering and giving our opinions so we aren't the lynch. If you're mafia I look forward to sweating alongside the enemy lmao
Yeah I know, the least fun part of the game tbh. But it is what it is.
So I am going to address the shit where Rayn thinks I am soft blaming him for the lynch on vivax, and I guess I sort of am, (although I also take responsibility for being wrong/bad or whatever makes you feel better) because from my perspective I was very open to being on either wagon at the time.
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?[/QUOTE
On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf?????
I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline.
I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null"
Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one:
On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.
Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast"
Ok I like this post, but it could be argued that I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. could also apply to you.
On May 25 2023 08:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: AND TO BE CLEAR ONEGU IS NOT EVEN MY TOP SCUM READ.
I feel like people aren't reading my posts clearly. I'd still rather lynch Vivax or LS or even Marv like I've been saying for a while. But again, town can play bad, one of my current suspects could flip town, Marv could wow me and turn into the towniest townie who ever town'd and I'd almost immediately slot Onegu into that spot.
I really don’t get how you can think Marv is a good lynch at this point.
Because I was open, and I had a strong town read in the thread with me, I asked rayn several times why I should not be on vivax.
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
Ok let me rephrase. Tell me (why) you won’t lynch vivax
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
because things may and will change in hours between the posts.
OK, that is fine.
But that is the reason you gave for not voting him. If there are other reasons since then, could you let me know what they are?
I am also voting Vivax, so if that vote is wrong, hen I would like to know why.
This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia.
Like I was genuinely frustrated that I wasn't given clarity at the time when I was repeatedly trying to get some.
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
Because from his perspective it's optimal play, mafia whoever they are are going to try and influence the vote IF his reads are right. Taking his vote out of the manipulable votes reduces mafia's power to affect the outcome IF his reads are right. And he's reinforcing anyone who values his reads that he's not moving his vote so they shouldn't either in the case that I keep trying to lynch Vivax.
Which rayn says is very smart post. So I take that to be the reason that Rayn is giving for not wanting to lynch Vivax. I actually don't like this reason because it prevents me from being able to play the game, if every lynch is already decided by the euros before a lynch, so in my mind I discount it.
Trying to figure out where the scum are and the town reads are. ( a major criticisim later) At this point Rayn has left the thread.
I am posting this and then dropping the topic mainly because I want to:
1.) be clear around my thinking at the time of the wagon on vivax forming
2.) clarify that yes, if Rayn had given me any strong reason to vote MZ over Vivax when we were interacting in the thread prior to the lynch I would have done so.
3.) Point out that I don't think it was as clear and obvious as people are making it out to be prior to the lynch, and if it was, then some clear communication about that fact would have changed the outcome.
On May 26 2023 11:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Yo the bravado and absolute certainty ABSOLUTELY ARE a bit, but it's not alignment indicative, it's just the only way to get anything done around here. I'm not mafia, I've just played this game quite a bit and know what gets results. It's a very Palmaresque way to play.
That said, I definitely was that sure about Vivax. I was just wrong. I factored in my own experience too much into the read, I can own that.
On May 26 2023 11:21 Chezinu wrote: Scumhunting during the night is how you get killed by mafia. You got to look clueless to live through the night but funny enough to keep around. Now let the hunt begin!
Koshi tried his best to look clueless that is for sure.
On May 26 2023 11:21 VisceraEyes wrote: DP I'm going to be honest with you - I have no fucking idea. It's like I said before the flip - if MZ is town too then that means who is on what wagon when is utterly meaningless. Mafia could have flowed freely from one to another and it make no difference to them. MZ flipping green actually helps MAFIA more than it helps us.
I want to say that mafia are in the lurker class because I'm so fucked up right now, but that feels like a copout. That just tends to be the case when a game is so fucking hard like this. It's actually WHY I advocate lurker lynches early, but I digress. I'm looking at Onegus and LSes and Chezes like I was before the flip I think. While keeping an eye to active players not making any sense.
On May 26 2023 11:21 Chezinu wrote: Scumhunting during the night is how you get killed by mafia. You got to look clueless to live through the night but funny enough to keep around. Now let the hunt begin!
Koshi tried his best to look clueless that is for sure.
Can you quote a post that made you laugh beside koshi dying?
I ahven;t laughed since vivax flipped, and the lol to koshi dying was sarcasm.
On May 26 2023 11:41 LightningStrike wrote: First off what. Second of all the fuck. Not only we lynched the doctor but the Vig got shot and shot the other wagon to the doctor lynch and they were town w t f..........
On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote: Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that.
Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch.
And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake.
What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip.
I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already.
Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive.
I think you could be mafia. I will never make a case on you. I will yell all future days that I think you are mafia. I will never respect any read you make this game.
I think this is why Koshi was shot he thinks DP is a mafia on the Vivax wagon (which he did think 2 or all 3 mafia there)
You realize that both wagons being town substantially changes things, right?
On May 26 2023 12:55 TankTopTiger wrote: @the more experienced players I know that the setup is semi-open, but presumably hosts tend towards balanced setups. What does a balanced setup with a doctor and a vigilante look like? e.g. two blue, one power red, two vanilla red, rest green?
Can we reasonably expect there to be more blue roles in the game?
I think there may be a cop or a tracker, but that might be wishful thinking. Why do you want to know?
On May 26 2023 15:30 marvellosity wrote: Just fair warning, the next day (24h or so) are going to be pretty inactive for life reasons. But should have more time on Saturday.
Stuff I want to look at is who didn’t treat their vote preciously D1 because it didn’t matter?
And maybe players in the night phase whose behaviour suggested they already knew MZ was town (TTT, maybe DP?)
On May 26 2023 15:30 marvellosity wrote: Just fair warning, the next day (24h or so) are going to be pretty inactive for life reasons. But should have more time on Saturday.
Stuff I want to look at is who didn’t treat their vote preciously D1 because it didn’t matter?
And maybe players in the night phase whose behaviour suggested they already knew MZ was town (TTT, maybe DP?)
What do you think my alignment is marv?
Obviously up for debate, which I think you could have figured out
On May 26 2023 15:30 marvellosity wrote: Just fair warning, the next day (24h or so) are going to be pretty inactive for life reasons. But should have more time on Saturday.
Stuff I want to look at is who didn’t treat their vote preciously D1 because it didn’t matter?
And maybe players in the night phase whose behaviour suggested they already knew MZ was town (TTT, maybe DP?)
What do you think my alignment is marv?
Obviously up for debate, which I think you could have figured out
Sure, but what would you lean towards?
Why does that matter? I don’t need to try to define exactly where I stand rn, just that I’m unsure.
The Koshi stuff during the night was all very weird, you made some big posts and a lot of reasons why he was being scummy but none of them made sense to me. In hindsight, how do you feel about those posts?
PS going into work now (first reason for inactivity - 95% of the time I WFH but having a team day today)
Obviously, he was not mafia. I was tilted and annoyed and I thought his posting was bad for all the reasons I outlined. He looked better again after his posts with TTT and after I had slept off the emotional response.
On May 26 2023 17:33 TankTopTiger wrote: @DP & VE You mentioned the vig shot was bad for town, can you spell that out for me? I see it differently.
In a work where mz was scum we would have a lot more information and progress in the game, the wagon was close and a scum! Mz would have probably revealed some truths about alignments.
As it stands, mafia didn’t care about the lynch and therefore we have very Little information based on voting patterns
On May 26 2023 17:45 TankTopTiger wrote: And that's what you think VE thinks?
Why would VE and you (who were both tied to the train that saved MZ) want MZ to be mafia? Wouldn't that guarantee you guys are in more trouble than you currently are? The progress that would be made would be against you.
Am I missing something? Eli5 please.
Well for me it would just make things easier. It would make it easier to find scum on the vivax wagon because i am town and I know that some scum are on that wagon so Poe.
Reverse for ve I imagine.
The game isn’t actually about survival, it’s about finding mafia before time runs out.
On May 26 2023 17:33 TankTopTiger wrote: @DP & VE You mentioned the vig shot was bad for town, can you spell that out for me? I see it differently.
In a work where mz was scum we would have a lot more information and progress in the game, the wagon was close and a scum! Mz would have probably revealed some truths about alignments.
As it stands, mafia didn’t care about the lynch and therefore we have very Little information based on voting patterns
Yes, that’s why I think we need to look at who really cared about their vote - ie did not know alignments. Did Chez, Onegu, LS?
I have some thoughts, but I want to write a big post.
On May 26 2023 11:41 LightningStrike wrote: First off what. Second of all the fuck. Not only we lynched the doctor but the Vig got shot and shot the other wagon to the doctor lynch and they were town w t f..........
On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote: Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that.
Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch.
And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake.
What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip.
I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already.
Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive.
I think you could be mafia. I will never make a case on you. I will yell all future days that I think you are mafia. I will never respect any read you make this game.
I think this is why Koshi was shot he thinks DP is a mafia on the Vivax wagon (which he did think 2 or all 3 mafia there)
This post felt really bad btw, the fake outrage at the top. I get that if he was invested in the game but I read his whole filter in 2 minutes and its clearly not the case.
On May 26 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv why do you think Koshi was shot?
I have nothing but wifom.
Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig.
My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target.
But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him
Like i get you werent shot because you are likely pushing MZ lynched all day 2. Although shooting you pretty much would do the same thing..
Something at least i haven't considered (strongly at all) is DP and VE. Which Koshi did at various times.
Koshi MO says all day 2 is shitfight with DP. Why is that not beneficial for mafia if DP is town? I wouldn't trust myself talking Koshi out of that tilt.
Wifom pretty much. Koshi dying after that fight makes me look pretty bad.
On May 26 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv why do you think Koshi was shot?
I have nothing but wifom.
Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig.
My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target.
But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him
Like i get you werent shot because you are likely pushing MZ lynched all day 2. Although shooting you pretty much would do the same thing..
Something at least i haven't considered (strongly at all) is DP and VE. Which Koshi did at various times.
Koshi MO says all day 2 is shitfight with DP. Why is that not beneficial for mafia if DP is town? I wouldn't trust myself talking Koshi out of that tilt.
Wifom pretty much. Koshi dying after that fight makes me look pretty bad.
And the fact that LS jumped straight in the thread to prod in that direction pretty much confirms it for me. But of course, he back tracked that after the smallest amount of pressure.
On May 26 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv why do you think Koshi was shot?
I have nothing but wifom.
Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig.
My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target.
But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him
Like i get you werent shot because you are likely pushing MZ lynched all day 2. Although shooting you pretty much would do the same thing..
Something at least i haven't considered (strongly at all) is DP and VE. Which Koshi did at various times.
Koshi MO says all day 2 is shitfight with DP. Why is that not beneficial for mafia if DP is town? I wouldn't trust myself talking Koshi out of that tilt.
Wifom pretty much. Koshi dying after that fight makes me look pretty bad.
Or (again I understand this is still v speculative) do you as a mafia team think that town will think it’s unlikely you will hit Koshi when you are trying to attack and discredit him
On May 26 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv why do you think Koshi was shot?
I have nothing but wifom.
Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig.
My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target.
But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him
Like i get you werent shot because you are likely pushing MZ lynched all day 2. Although shooting you pretty much would do the same thing..
Something at least i haven't considered (strongly at all) is DP and VE. Which Koshi did at various times.
Koshi MO says all day 2 is shitfight with DP. Why is that not beneficial for mafia if DP is town? I wouldn't trust myself talking Koshi out of that tilt.
Wifom pretty much. Koshi dying after that fight makes me look pretty bad.
Or (again I understand this is still v speculative) do you as a mafia team think that town will think it’s unlikely you will hit Koshi when you are trying to attack and discredit him
Do you seriously want me to answer this? Because I can't
On May 26 2023 20:19 marvellosity wrote: So it was either a shot on Koshi to protect DP/VE from his wrath, as like you say a town/town Koshi/DP fight is great for mafia.
Or it could simply be they thought Koshi was the least lynchable - why Koshi over you as well?
Simplest explanation is Koshi most right and therefore most dangerous?
Yes Koshi must be MORE right on something at least. I can't think other options than DP/VE/mebaby.
My thoughts on this is that mafia was concerned that he was most likely to become right. Or they wanted to push a mislynch on to me. Im leaning towards a bit of both.
On May 26 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv why do you think Koshi was shot?
I have nothing but wifom.
Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig.
My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target.
But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him
Like i get you werent shot because you are likely pushing MZ lynched all day 2. Although shooting you pretty much would do the same thing..
Something at least i haven't considered (strongly at all) is DP and VE. Which Koshi did at various times.
Koshi MO says all day 2 is shitfight with DP. Why is that not beneficial for mafia if DP is town? I wouldn't trust myself talking Koshi out of that tilt.
Wifom pretty much. Koshi dying after that fight makes me look pretty bad.
Or (again I understand this is still v speculative) do you as a mafia team think that town will think it’s unlikely you will hit Koshi when you are trying to attack and discredit him
Do you seriously want me to answer this? Because I can't
Well, the fact you can’t answer it (nor should you) is what invalidates your point about it making you look bad.
Anyway, VE? Thoughts? (Sorry if I missed a recent post)
It doesn't invalidate it; I do look bad. the fact that I am having conversations in which I am hypothetically in the mafia team proves as much.
On May 25 2023 09:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yeah I think I've been hammered. GL guys, don't forget that (1) Vivax was runner up, please (2) look at Marv again, and don't let (3) LightningStrike/Onegu/DMP skate by with blatant anti town play.
Gonna enjoy my dinner in peace.
Everyone who thinks this post is very townie farewell post needs to explain why. If i read correctly Slam and DP(?) at least thought so. Because:
(1) Doesnt say anything. There is no reason at that point why Meapak and Vivax couldnt even be mafia together. They are voting each other because they have to, and neither of them is the engineer behind each other's lynch.
(2) If Meapak flips mafia this says absolutely nothing because noone is gonna look at marv after Meapak flips mafia. IT's extremely safe thing to say in case Meapak is mafia so in retrospect it should not in itself be considered as townie.
(3) Same thing here. If Meapak flips mafia, LS is 99% of the time town. The two other people are already under (at least some) suspicion so like once again, this doesn't give anything new and is just a really safe thing to say so noone's alignment is actually gonna get figured out.
Like it's a meek post with no insight in Meapak is town, and exactly what Meapak would say as mafia to not give away any information.
Darthpunk elaborate, please?
What do you want me to say, I thought the fact that he posted reads and gave up was relatable.
On May 26 2023 21:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you explain further why that "tone" comes from town rather than mafia?
Because their win condition is less reliant on survival. And he kind of sounded defeated, like he was sick of all these bads calling him mafia for no reason. I could relate.
I could lynch him, he is in the pool of lynch candidates for all the same reasons that have been stated. I think Lightnening strike is very much likely to be mafia though and I am less confident with VE cause I could see him doing all this as either alignment.
IM posting while playing hots and alt-tabbing so give me a bit.
On May 25 2023 22:06 DarthPunk wrote: Tank top tiger looks very town to me based on the way he entered the thread. Fwiw
Elaborate on this too please, i find his entrance the exact opposite for what i have said already.
Ill tell you why, once ive got a bit more time. but he has played before. his other account is spaghetticus. He played in titanic II I think it was might be worth giving it a read.
On May 26 2023 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I had a suspicion it's him. I dunno if it's worth to read one game 10 years ago though.
He hasn't played since then, but it's pretty much the same, this is exactly what he would do as town, be really dense about thread presence, argue about semantics and his different perspective, look really bad because of it and then not adjust his play to looking bad.
It's a tone read, but I have known him for 20 years, played a bunch of IRL mafia with him etc. and it's like typical behavior.
On May 26 2023 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you think it is completely fine he doesn't care about the alignment of the opposing wagon but instead immediately attacks the leading person behind that wagon for whatever reason?
On May 26 2023 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you think it is completely fine he doesn't care about the alignment of the opposing wagon but instead immediately attacks the leading person behind that wagon for whatever reason?
Is that what I said?
No but i am saying this is pretty much evidence of being mafia over anything else in the thread i can think of, do you think your meta read outweighs the hard evidence?
I haven't seen anything that makes me think he is mafia, and this would be the way that he tries to figure out the game as town,
I think he will slip up pretty badly if he is mafia, or not be able to keep up fake analyzing things so I am pretty confident that if he is mafia it will become more obvious to me than it is currently.
The thing with him is that he will go on his own reads, regardless of if it makes sense to anyone else or not, the thing you need to look at is if he seems to be figuring out the game or not, (in his own way) and in this game it looks like he is.
AS to dense about thread presence, like he just doesn't get that marv is looking town and unlynchable and pursuing it will likely get him mislynched as town, he doesn't care, because of whatever he is thinking at the time he will just go down that road.
On May 26 2023 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is Titanic II the game where i got robbed SK victory for host ending a phase hour early for no reason and i only needed one more vote to ensure victory? The best and the saddest game of my life. So many games host has ripped me.
I think so, but I also think I stopped paying attention after I died. it was the game I was smurfing and everyone thought I was marv :D
On May 26 2023 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ugh this is so annoying, why do people ignore hard evidence and go full meta? Maybe i just push to lynch everyone who ignores hard evidence.
Great fucking question, remind me why we aren;t lynching LS again?
On May 26 2023 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ugh this is so annoying, why do people ignore hard evidence and go full meta? Maybe i just push to lynch everyone who ignores hard evidence.
Great fucking question, remind me why we aren;t lynching LS again?
Where is LS ignoring hard evidence in your opinion?
I meant everyone ignoring the fact that LS is super scummy and town reading him for no reason.
On May 26 2023 22:12 marvellosity wrote: rayn, the meta on TTT does make a difference though. It puts something nuts (his initial direction) into an understandable context.
I’m not saying it gives him a pass, but it does at least provide a counter argument. Sort of makes his stubbornness towards me make sense as well.
Looking forward to what he does for the rest of the day
Did you look at the game? Can you confirm that is his meta? Like i have multiple time just straight out lied about soemone's meta as mafia and noone has held me accountable for it because it is ME thinking THAT, and noone else. Same as DP's meta on him, even if DP is town does it hold water? Can you even count on it if you cannot check as it's only one game?
I mean, you asked me to explain why I thought he was looking townie when he entered the thread, if you want to believe it or not is your prerogative, I am not even saying we shouldn't lynch him, I am saying if you just wait it will become really obvious, (more obvious than just having different ideas about how to play etc.)
I won't be using meta reads, as they would not be contemporaneous.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I see this guy twice a week dude IRL, and played IRL mafia with him way more recently than any game on TL. not the same, I have known him for 20 years.
On May 26 2023 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Continues using 100% meta over anything he ACTUALLY said to figure out his alignment.
OK explain why trying to lynch marv is a good idea for mafia?
because he knows meapak is town.
That's really weak, imo. Because it still doesn't make it a good idea as mafia. Also plenty of people knew Vivax was town what does that actually mean.\
Trying to lynch marv in this town at this point is suicide for scum, hence our current conversation, I just don't see it.
On May 26 2023 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: especially for newbie mafia pushing for someone who you KNOW is wrong is not the worst idea.
This is wifom, but apparently thats allowed these days, do you really think his teammates would not have something to say about this out of the thread if this is the case.
I don't even know why I am fighting you on this. That is his meta read, if there is anyone in this thread that would know, it would be me. I want to give him some more time because I think it will be obvious one way or another, and there are better lynches available.
On May 26 2023 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I genuinely believe anyone with any grasp of how to play mafia would do the expected and try and figure out Meapak's alignment FIRST THING come N1, in his postition, as town. He doesn't seem like completely clueless in how to play.
As for where you say "plenty of people knew Vivax is town", it doesn't matter. If he showed that he really really strongly believes meapak is town then i would understand the immediate attack on marv, but he doesn't. Later on he even says (after i confront him) that he is going to read meapak / VE next.
Didn’t he say he read mz as town in his first post? I think the fact he relented to reconsider under pressure understandable and more town aligned than not.
Are you a bit too tunnelled here because what he does is not what you would do?
On May 27 2023 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Off-topic, are you living in (or used to live in) Perth DP? Or was it Mocsta, i think one of you was.
I’m reading the thread but I am working on my house with my dad so I’m not that available until later.
I live in Tasmania.
Something im thinking about is the resistance to a ls lynch. Like if he was town he should seriously be a good mislynch candidate right. But I have been calling him out for 2 days and there is very little traction.
Ve wagon is weird because he actually looked better since day one and his frustration with you felt genuine and his reads when they make sense make sense for the same reasons I have. But they don’t all make sense
On May 23 2023 20:15 DarthPunk wrote: Ok die meat baby is a hard town read at this point fwiw.
Hard townread on Mb at 5he point that Koshi was going the other way…
Townread on TtT for thread entrance, contrary to you and me rayn
“Too many townreads”
Having too many townreads is a mafia with perfect information.
Or it could be that the maf are good at appearing town and I was lost at that time.
I don’t blame you for thinking this but it’s just not right.
Anyway gotta get back to work
No. Because so many people look suspicious to some extent, regardless of if they are mafia or town. This is not a game where a million people look townie.
It was to me?
Like I had as town / leaning town
Slam
You
Koshi
Rayn
Ve
Mz
DMb
Then we had lurkers
And ls was my only scum read after.vivax flip.
I was reluctant to just assume all maf were in lurker pile so I felt like I had too many town reads.
Maybe I’m just good at picking up town tells from people.
Also if we are using meta, you all just discussed how likely I am to bus my teammates which is a direct contradiction to a mafia stating he has too many town reads.
It’s unfortunate I don’t have more time to explain right now but it is what it is.
On May 26 2023 11:11 DarthPunk wrote: So I am going to address the shit where Rayn thinks I am soft blaming him for the lynch on vivax, and I guess I sort of am, (although I also take responsibility for being wrong/bad or whatever makes you feel better) because from my perspective I was very open to being on either wagon at the time.
On May 25 2023 08:29 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:13 Onegu wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:08 marvellosity wrote: Onegu, less blabla, more desperately trying to make yourself useful - I thank you
Love you Marv but you should know that is not likely to happen. I got the message 30 minutes ago that this game started.
Maybe this is helpful
##Vote: Marvellosity
I want marv dead more than anyone in this thread but I don't like this .
I mean like shiiiittt...
Yeah this is bad. lol.
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?
On May 25 2023 08:33 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Hmph....
I fell more strongly about a Vivax lynch. I also think you are looking better recently so that's good. :D
On May 25 2023 08:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?[/QUOTE
On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf?????
I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline.
I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null"
Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one:
On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.
Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast"
Ok I like this post, but it could be argued that I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. could also apply to you.
On May 25 2023 08:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: AND TO BE CLEAR ONEGU IS NOT EVEN MY TOP SCUM READ.
I feel like people aren't reading my posts clearly. I'd still rather lynch Vivax or LS or even Marv like I've been saying for a while. But again, town can play bad, one of my current suspects could flip town, Marv could wow me and turn into the towniest townie who ever town'd and I'd almost immediately slot Onegu into that spot.
I really don’t get how you can think Marv is a good lynch at this point.
Because I was open, and I had a strong town read in the thread with me, I asked rayn several times why I should not be on vivax.
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
On May 25 2023 09:06 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
Ok let me rephrase. Tell me (why) you won’t lynch vivax
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
because things may and will change in hours between the posts.
OK, that is fine.
But that is the reason you gave for not voting him. If there are other reasons since then, could you let me know what they are?
I am also voting Vivax, so if that vote is wrong, hen I would like to know why.
This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia.
Like I was genuinely frustrated that I wasn't given clarity at the time when I was repeatedly trying to get some.
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
VE posts this interpretation
On May 25 2023 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
Because from his perspective it's optimal play, mafia whoever they are are going to try and influence the vote IF his reads are right. Taking his vote out of the manipulable votes reduces mafia's power to affect the outcome IF his reads are right. And he's reinforcing anyone who values his reads that he's not moving his vote so they shouldn't either in the case that I keep trying to lynch Vivax.
Which rayn says is very smart post. So I take that to be the reason that Rayn is giving for not wanting to lynch Vivax. I actually don't like this reason because it prevents me from being able to play the game, if every lynch is already decided by the euros before a lynch, so in my mind I discount it.
On May 25 2023 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Or he's mafia and knows it's a mislynch. Take your pick DP.
I don't think he is mafia. I also am not convinced MZ is town, I'm just trying to understand the thought processes going on.
I am really open to either. I just want some fucking clarity and engagement on the topic. Which I was not provided.
On May 25 2023 10:39 DarthPunk wrote: Day One Vote Count
Trying to figure out where the scum are and the town reads are. ( a major criticisim later) At this point Rayn has left the thread.
I am posting this and then dropping the topic mainly because I want to:
1.) be clear around my thinking at the time of the wagon on vivax forming
2.) clarify that yes, if Rayn had given me any strong reason to vote MZ over Vivax when we were interacting in the thread prior to the lynch I would have done so.
3.) Point out that I don't think it was as clear and obvious as people are making it out to be prior to the lynch, and if it was, then some clear communication about that fact would have changed the outcome.
I am struggling to figure out this is what DP is interested in close to deadline N1?
Like sure. But these are the questions.
1. Why did he hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way 2. Why did he townread TTT when neither of us felt that way 3. How did he at all have too many townreads during N1 I think it was when I had 2
It stinks to me
On the first part i think he thought Vivax is mafia, for the rest of it yeah idk.
I mean the second question is just dumb. I know ttt way better than you do so why would it not make sense that I would feel differently and I have discussed at length my thoughts on him and a hard town read is not correct
On May 27 2023 10:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like i know all the players than TTT better than you, are you supposed to sheep me in everything i say about them?
I’m not saying you should sheep me, I’m explaining why my read was different which is what Marv is specifically taking issue with.
And yes your reads are different to mine based you knowing people that has been stated in this thread and is self evident basically.
On May 26 2023 11:11 DarthPunk wrote: So I am going to address the shit where Rayn thinks I am soft blaming him for the lynch on vivax, and I guess I sort of am, (although I also take responsibility for being wrong/bad or whatever makes you feel better) because from my perspective I was very open to being on either wagon at the time.
On May 25 2023 08:29 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:13 Onegu wrote: [quote]
Love you Marv but you should know that is not likely to happen. I got the message 30 minutes ago that this game started.
Maybe this is helpful
##Vote: Marvellosity
I want marv dead more than anyone in this thread but I don't like this .
I mean like shiiiittt...
Yeah this is bad. lol.
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?
On May 25 2023 08:33 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Hmph....
I fell more strongly about a Vivax lynch. I also think you are looking better recently so that's good. :D
On May 25 2023 08:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?[/QUOTE
On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf?????
I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline.
I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null"
Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one:
On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.
Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast"
Ok I like this post, but it could be argued that I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. could also apply to you.
On May 25 2023 08:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: AND TO BE CLEAR ONEGU IS NOT EVEN MY TOP SCUM READ.
I feel like people aren't reading my posts clearly. I'd still rather lynch Vivax or LS or even Marv like I've been saying for a while. But again, town can play bad, one of my current suspects could flip town, Marv could wow me and turn into the towniest townie who ever town'd and I'd almost immediately slot Onegu into that spot.
I really don’t get how you can think Marv is a good lynch at this point.
Because I was open, and I had a strong town read in the thread with me, I asked rayn several times why I should not be on vivax.
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
On May 25 2023 09:06 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
Ok let me rephrase. Tell me (why) you won’t lynch vivax
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
because things may and will change in hours between the posts.
OK, that is fine.
But that is the reason you gave for not voting him. If there are other reasons since then, could you let me know what they are?
I am also voting Vivax, so if that vote is wrong, hen I would like to know why.
This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia.
Like I was genuinely frustrated that I wasn't given clarity at the time when I was repeatedly trying to get some.
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
VE posts this interpretation
On May 25 2023 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
Because from his perspective it's optimal play, mafia whoever they are are going to try and influence the vote IF his reads are right. Taking his vote out of the manipulable votes reduces mafia's power to affect the outcome IF his reads are right. And he's reinforcing anyone who values his reads that he's not moving his vote so they shouldn't either in the case that I keep trying to lynch Vivax.
Which rayn says is very smart post. So I take that to be the reason that Rayn is giving for not wanting to lynch Vivax. I actually don't like this reason because it prevents me from being able to play the game, if every lynch is already decided by the euros before a lynch, so in my mind I discount it.
On May 25 2023 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Or he's mafia and knows it's a mislynch. Take your pick DP.
I don't think he is mafia. I also am not convinced MZ is town, I'm just trying to understand the thought processes going on.
I am really open to either. I just want some fucking clarity and engagement on the topic. Which I was not provided.
On May 25 2023 10:39 DarthPunk wrote: Day One Vote Count
Trying to figure out where the scum are and the town reads are. ( a major criticisim later) At this point Rayn has left the thread.
I am posting this and then dropping the topic mainly because I want to:
1.) be clear around my thinking at the time of the wagon on vivax forming
2.) clarify that yes, if Rayn had given me any strong reason to vote MZ over Vivax when we were interacting in the thread prior to the lynch I would have done so.
3.) Point out that I don't think it was as clear and obvious as people are making it out to be prior to the lynch, and if it was, then some clear communication about that fact would have changed the outcome.
I am struggling to figure out this is what DP is interested in close to deadline N1?
Like sure. But these are the questions.
1. Why did he hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way 2. Why did he townread TTT when neither of us felt that way 3. How did he at all have too many townreads during N1 I think it was when I had 2
It stinks to me
On the first part i think he thought Vivax is mafia, for the rest of it yeah idk.
I mean the second question is just dumb. I know ttt way better than you do so why would it not make sense that I would feel differently and I have discussed at length my thoughts on him and a hard town read is not correct
This doesnt mean anything but okay.
Why is VE town?
You realise the reads In that post above was my mindset N1 at the time I stated I had too many town reads right?
On May 27 2023 10:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like i know all the players than TTT better than you, are you supposed to sheep me in everything i say about them?
I’m not saying you should sheep me, I’m explaining why my read was different which is what Marv is specifically taking issue with.
The problem is you didn't even entertain the possibility of being wrong on him when he did attack marv (who is your townread) instead of Meapak (unflipped counter-wagon), while two of your town reads (me and marv) said it's suspicious.
I literally said I wanted more time… of course I entertained that. But it’s not that helpful when I am trying to call off the rabid dogs. What did Koshi say, I’m thinking about 5 scenarios all the time, but only present the most helpful and likely option.
Also In this literal game I have shown I’m not just blindly sheepish you guys, I think you are town, I don’t think you are always right, clearly you are not because you are pushing me.
On May 27 2023 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: So who do you think is mafia now besides LS?
Yeah give me a second ok. I literally told you I’m doing other shit. You guys throw so much shit it’s hard to keep, which btw is the exact same reason it took me a while to talk about ve yesterday.
On May 27 2023 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: So who do you think is mafia now besides LS?
Ls onegu. Lynch these first
Then one of ttt, ve. Or outside chance of dmb or chez
Why are Slam and Chezinu town?
I’ve explained read on slam already read my filter. Chez claimed cop as far as I am concerned so I’m not lynching him til later when there is a counter claim or not and we can figure that ou But lynch ls first then onegu imo
On May 27 2023 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: So who do you think is mafia now besides LS?
Ls onegu. Lynch these first
Then one of ttt, ve. Or outside chance of dmb or chez
Why are Slam and Chezinu town?
I’ve explained read on slam already read my filter. Chez claimed cop as far as I am concerned so I’m not lynching him til later when there is a counter claim or not and we can figure that ou But lynch ls first then onegu imo
there is no option of cop in setup.
Why? I have looked and don’t see where this is the case by cop I mean parity cop/ tracker
On May 27 2023 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: So who do you think is mafia now besides LS?
Ls onegu. Lynch these first
Then one of ttt, ve. Or outside chance of dmb or chez
Why are Slam and Chezinu town?
I’ve explained read on slam already read my filter. Chez claimed cop as far as I am concerned so I’m not lynching him til later when there is a counter claim or not and we can figure that ou But lynch ls first then onegu imo
there is no option of cop in setup.
Why? I have looked and don’t see where this is the case by cop I mean parity cop/ tracker
if chezinu is a parity cop he doesnt have a check, if he is tracker he cannot know if slam is mafia or not because not all mafia visit.
come on?
I’ll go into my reasons later. I’ve really got to go.
On May 27 2023 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am having hard time imagining you don't know how the roles work in TL mafia even if you have not played in 7 years.
On May 27 2023 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: So who do you think is mafia now besides LS?
Ls onegu. Lynch these first
Then one of ttt, ve. Or outside chance of dmb or chez
this?
i can see ls + onegu, why others?
Process of elimination, dmb and chez look better to me than ttt or ve
Others look town.
if LS is town why is none of the mafia trying to lynch him? or even just sheeping me so that if he flips town they can then mislynch me afterwards, particularly after it has been stated that we are opposite aligned.
On May 27 2023 12:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry if i come off as offensive here DP, i just REALLY want to know your alignment because no matter what i do not want to mislynch you and marv seems to be thinking youre mafia.
Your not offensive it’s just hard to post on the phone while being pressured and doing other things
On May 27 2023 12:58 DarthPunk wrote: if LS is town why is none of the mafia trying to lynch him? or even just sheeping me so that if he flips town they can then mislynch me afterwards, particularly after it has been stated that we are opposite aligned.
My position is that one of you / LS is mafia so i think you can understand why this is a moot point
That’s fine but I think it points to which one is more likely mafia. And gives weight to the fact we are opposite aligned.
Im really sure he is maf at this point I’d really like to lynch him.
On May 27 2023 13:05 DarthPunk wrote: That’s fine but I think it points to which one is more likely mafia. And gives weight to the fact we are opposite aligned.
On May 27 2023 13:17 DarthPunk wrote: Or if I ever get flipped worth keeping in mind.
You were the only one going ham on LS D1 so definitely either you are not scary enough / you are mafia with or without him / something else more scary for scum (which i am kinda trying to figure out)
On May 27 2023 13:17 DarthPunk wrote: Or if I ever get flipped worth keeping in mind.
You were the only one going ham on LS D1 so definitely either you are not scary enough / you are mafia with or without him / something else more scary for scum (which i am kinda trying to figure out)
You mean cos of Koshi kill at night?
I think I just don’t have the same reputation.
Within which people? If i had to choose my kill presedence based on nothing but name i would rank marv - you - koshi- ve no brainer for me (it's not to say anyone is worse or anything it is just me).
Obviously everything changes in a game of mafia, but still i dont know who in the game doesn't know your "reputation"?
Ok
I don’t put too much weight into nk analysis anyway generally too much wifom.
What I do put weight into is using nk analysis to push weird mislynches.
Just as an aside my girlfriend is so fucking mad about how much I have been using my phone these past days.
On May 26 2023 11:11 DarthPunk wrote: So I am going to address the shit where Rayn thinks I am soft blaming him for the lynch on vivax, and I guess I sort of am, (although I also take responsibility for being wrong/bad or whatever makes you feel better) because from my perspective I was very open to being on either wagon at the time.
On May 25 2023 08:29 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:13 Onegu wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:08 marvellosity wrote: Onegu, less blabla, more desperately trying to make yourself useful - I thank you
Love you Marv but you should know that is not likely to happen. I got the message 30 minutes ago that this game started.
Maybe this is helpful
##Vote: Marvellosity
I want marv dead more than anyone in this thread but I don't like this .
I mean like shiiiittt...
Yeah this is bad. lol.
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?
On May 25 2023 08:33 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Hmph....
I fell more strongly about a Vivax lynch. I also think you are looking better recently so that's good. :D
On May 25 2023 08:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?[/QUOTE
On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf?????
I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline.
I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null"
Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one:
On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.
Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast"
Ok I like this post, but it could be argued that I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. could also apply to you.
On May 25 2023 08:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: AND TO BE CLEAR ONEGU IS NOT EVEN MY TOP SCUM READ.
I feel like people aren't reading my posts clearly. I'd still rather lynch Vivax or LS or even Marv like I've been saying for a while. But again, town can play bad, one of my current suspects could flip town, Marv could wow me and turn into the towniest townie who ever town'd and I'd almost immediately slot Onegu into that spot.
I really don’t get how you can think Marv is a good lynch at this point.
Because I was open, and I had a strong town read in the thread with me, I asked rayn several times why I should not be on vivax.
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
On May 25 2023 09:06 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
Ok let me rephrase. Tell me (why) you won’t lynch vivax
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
because things may and will change in hours between the posts.
OK, that is fine.
But that is the reason you gave for not voting him. If there are other reasons since then, could you let me know what they are?
I am also voting Vivax, so if that vote is wrong, hen I would like to know why.
This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia.
Like I was genuinely frustrated that I wasn't given clarity at the time when I was repeatedly trying to get some.
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
VE posts this interpretation
On May 25 2023 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
Because from his perspective it's optimal play, mafia whoever they are are going to try and influence the vote IF his reads are right. Taking his vote out of the manipulable votes reduces mafia's power to affect the outcome IF his reads are right. And he's reinforcing anyone who values his reads that he's not moving his vote so they shouldn't either in the case that I keep trying to lynch Vivax.
Which rayn says is very smart post. So I take that to be the reason that Rayn is giving for not wanting to lynch Vivax. I actually don't like this reason because it prevents me from being able to play the game, if every lynch is already decided by the euros before a lynch, so in my mind I discount it.
On May 25 2023 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Or he's mafia and knows it's a mislynch. Take your pick DP.
I don't think he is mafia. I also am not convinced MZ is town, I'm just trying to understand the thought processes going on.
I am really open to either. I just want some fucking clarity and engagement on the topic. Which I was not provided.
On May 25 2023 10:39 DarthPunk wrote: Day One Vote Count
Trying to figure out where the scum are and the town reads are. ( a major criticisim later) At this point Rayn has left the thread.
I am posting this and then dropping the topic mainly because I want to:
1.) be clear around my thinking at the time of the wagon on vivax forming
2.) clarify that yes, if Rayn had given me any strong reason to vote MZ over Vivax when we were interacting in the thread prior to the lynch I would have done so.
3.) Point out that I don't think it was as clear and obvious as people are making it out to be prior to the lynch, and if it was, then some clear communication about that fact would have changed the outcome.
I am struggling to figure out this is what DP is interested in close to deadline N1?
Like sure. But these are the questions.
1. Why did he hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way
It stinks to me
This didn’t actually happen by the way, my view flip flopped like everyone else’s with new information, the only time I used town read her early Rayn also did. And that was before Koshi analysed the Rayn vivax discord read, and then /I/ pointed out her shitty chez read.
Do you actually not remember or read through this properly or are you deliberately misconstruing the facts?
On May 26 2023 11:11 DarthPunk wrote: So I am going to address the shit where Rayn thinks I am soft blaming him for the lynch on vivax, and I guess I sort of am, (although I also take responsibility for being wrong/bad or whatever makes you feel better) because from my perspective I was very open to being on either wagon at the time.
On May 25 2023 08:29 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:13 Onegu wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:08 marvellosity wrote: Onegu, less blabla, more desperately trying to make yourself useful - I thank you
Love you Marv but you should know that is not likely to happen. I got the message 30 minutes ago that this game started.
Maybe this is helpful
##Vote: Marvellosity
I want marv dead more than anyone in this thread but I don't like this .
I mean like shiiiittt...
Yeah this is bad. lol.
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?
On May 25 2023 08:33 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Hmph....
I fell more strongly about a Vivax lynch. I also think you are looking better recently so that's good. :D
On May 25 2023 08:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?[/QUOTE
On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf?????
I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline.
I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null"
Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one:
On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.
Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast"
Ok I like this post, but it could be argued that I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. could also apply to you.
On May 25 2023 08:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: AND TO BE CLEAR ONEGU IS NOT EVEN MY TOP SCUM READ.
I feel like people aren't reading my posts clearly. I'd still rather lynch Vivax or LS or even Marv like I've been saying for a while. But again, town can play bad, one of my current suspects could flip town, Marv could wow me and turn into the towniest townie who ever town'd and I'd almost immediately slot Onegu into that spot.
I really don’t get how you can think Marv is a good lynch at this point.
Because I was open, and I had a strong town read in the thread with me, I asked rayn several times why I should not be on vivax.
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
On May 25 2023 09:06 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
Ok let me rephrase. Tell me (why) you won’t lynch vivax
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
because things may and will change in hours between the posts.
OK, that is fine.
But that is the reason you gave for not voting him. If there are other reasons since then, could you let me know what they are?
I am also voting Vivax, so if that vote is wrong, hen I would like to know why.
This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia.
Like I was genuinely frustrated that I wasn't given clarity at the time when I was repeatedly trying to get some.
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
VE posts this interpretation
On May 25 2023 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
Because from his perspective it's optimal play, mafia whoever they are are going to try and influence the vote IF his reads are right. Taking his vote out of the manipulable votes reduces mafia's power to affect the outcome IF his reads are right. And he's reinforcing anyone who values his reads that he's not moving his vote so they shouldn't either in the case that I keep trying to lynch Vivax.
Which rayn says is very smart post. So I take that to be the reason that Rayn is giving for not wanting to lynch Vivax. I actually don't like this reason because it prevents me from being able to play the game, if every lynch is already decided by the euros before a lynch, so in my mind I discount it.
On May 25 2023 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Or he's mafia and knows it's a mislynch. Take your pick DP.
I don't think he is mafia. I also am not convinced MZ is town, I'm just trying to understand the thought processes going on.
I am really open to either. I just want some fucking clarity and engagement on the topic. Which I was not provided.
On May 25 2023 10:39 DarthPunk wrote: Day One Vote Count
Trying to figure out where the scum are and the town reads are. ( a major criticisim later) At this point Rayn has left the thread.
I am posting this and then dropping the topic mainly because I want to:
1.) be clear around my thinking at the time of the wagon on vivax forming
2.) clarify that yes, if Rayn had given me any strong reason to vote MZ over Vivax when we were interacting in the thread prior to the lynch I would have done so.
3.) Point out that I don't think it was as clear and obvious as people are making it out to be prior to the lynch, and if it was, then some clear communication about that fact would have changed the outcome.
I am struggling to figure out this is what DP is interested in close to deadline N1?
Like sure. But these are the questions.
1. Why did he hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way
It stinks to me
This didn’t actually happen by the way, my view flip flopped like everyone else’s with new information, the only time I used town read her early Rayn also did. And that was before Koshi analysed the Rayn vivax discord read, and then /I/ pointed out her shitty chez read.
Do you actually not remember or read through this properly or are you deliberately misconstruing the facts?
On May 27 2023 14:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you have to fucking take timelines out of place and make it look like something happened before something else? It's clearly not what marv is saying.
I walked my hard town read pretty much straight after that.
On May 27 2023 14:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you have to fucking take timelines out of place and make it look like something happened before something else? It's clearly not what marv is saying.
I walked my hard town read pretty much straight after that.
On May 23 2023 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: So wait you think she is town because she is suspicious about some she knows irl??? Just for that?
And no justification on the fact Koshi pointed out that she IS a first time player (unless lies), so how can she ACTUALLY feel so sure about Vivax being mafia (unless explained better).
On May 23 2023 20:44 Koshi wrote: Man... I have so much issues with the fact town friend Vivax brings a new person to the game and this person goes full on attack mode on Vivax while the reasoning is complete nonsensical Discord stuff and rayn and Darthpunk just gobble it up.
I agree with you dont worry.
Yeah. I also walked back after I read that afterwards. I basically did exactly what you did. Which is the whole pointy. Read the parts I walk back on dmb and then town read her again later.
The point is we both did it for the same reason but for some reason I am scummy for this and you are not.
On May 27 2023 14:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i fucking confronted you on the stupid ass shit point that she is town because she is playing with someone she knows even....
I don’t think that was a stupid point. People are more comfortable exhibiting strong behaviours to people they are comfortable with. That is basic psychology.
On May 27 2023 09:43 TankTopTiger wrote: I don't think redDP hammers the vote D1 if redVE led it.
Why not? Knowing Meapak is town why does it matter if they are on the same wagon or not, they are equally "wrong" anyways.
VE's case on vivax was weak. There's no reason to jump on it unless you've got your own reasons for thinking vivax scum. I happened to think vivax was a good lynch at the time (better than MZ), but at no point was it because VE made a compelling case.
For scumDP, it made little sense to hammer a weak case on a (to be confirmed) town. Instead they could have just let MZ die and had you lot in the gallows the next few days.
Wouldn’t this same logic also apply if I was scum and ve was town?
On May 27 2023 17:10 TankTopTiger wrote: The same logic applies but I guess I tend to expect mafia to try and diversify their scum portfolios instead of all going in on the one train day 1 without a strong motivator. I can see redVE jumping on your wagon because they seem reckless, but I guess I don't expect it from you?
What do you think of lightning strike?
Does his emotion not seem inconsistent with his care factor about other parts of the game to you?
On May 27 2023 17:39 TankTopTiger wrote: Not gonna lie, I've not paid much attention to LS. I figure if any of the less influential members are suddenly super important I'll filter dive them and develop an opinion then.
I've basically been skipping all posts by LS, Ala, Chez and Onegu as they're either trolling, lurking, or have had very little influence for other reasons.
I don't really see there being time for me to change my mind before next lynching, given the full day I have tomorrow.
Can you look at the reaction to the day post and see if you think it seemed genuine based on his investment he has in the game
On May 27 2023 18:02 TankTopTiger wrote: I think it comes off as bad but I don't know LS. They have a lot of posts (on their acconut)but are those mafia game posts (I assume so).
With VE, at times he wrote succinctly and showed awareness. This is part of the reason why his shit-postery feels so wrong to me, because I know he's hiding his power level one way or another. With LS, it seems to me like he posts in a stream of consciousness way even before the game began.
Overall the tone of LS's post is off. He's trying to be hyperbolic similar to how Koshi was after N1 post but Koshi seemed pretty emotional while LS does not. I agree it's out of place for LS's level of engagement, but I'm so used to inconsistency in lower engagement players I don't consider it that worthy of note.
Did you read the part that vivax stated that his read on ls would get worse with continued low activity. From what I understand they play together pretty often.
Basically I am trying to get you to consider a LS lynch because I’m am covvinced he is mafia.
And I think ve is such a loose cannon he could be literally anything.
On May 27 2023 18:26 TankTopTiger wrote: I don't think you can convince me that he's a better lynch than VE, and I'm not really sure what has you convinced.
I don't really place any stock in vivax's read. I don't know vivax other than that as doctor he managed to die d1. I don't see LS as having so much internal logic you get to have strong reads on them.
If you can show me that right now, you (DP) have the knowledge that actually LS is capable of being a proactive and productive town member, I'll listen. So show me a game where he had a large and productive filter that you were in (you being in it is important because otherwise it'll be post-hoc). If you don't have that knowledge currently, this feels kind of weird from you.
I haven’t played that much with him I think.
The fact that he is clearly performative in that post in a way that doesn’t make sense with his level of engagement and later on he starts soft pushing me with night kill wifom only to back track as soon as questioned, speaks to a lack of conviction for what he is saying, would someone with so little conviction actually care so much to react to a night kill In that way?!
It just doesn’t make any sense in terms of motivation.
On May 27 2023 18:50 TankTopTiger wrote: You talk about LS being clearly performative, but VE is more performative.
You talk about lack of engagement, but VE has been more present while demonstrating similar engagement (he's accusing but not searching).
You say LS lacks conviction but VE is just pretending to have conviction.
I just don't get it. If VE weren't right in front of me I'd probably be taking your case seriously rn but it's been eclipsed.
Yeah but I remember playing with ve and he is just like that imo
Not saying he is town I’m saying it’s more of a coin flip. And he is performative in a way kind of like a troll (doesn’t give a fuck happily antagonistic) LS is performative in a way that he is trying to fit inn with what he thinks a town should do.
On May 27 2023 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: So who do you think is mafia now besides LS?
Ls onegu. Lynch these first
Then one of ttt, ve. Or outside chance of dmb or chez
Why are Slam and Chezinu town?
I’ve explained read on slam already read my filter. Chez claimed cop as far as I am concerned so I’m not lynching him til later when there is a counter claim or not and we can figure that ou But lynch ls first then onegu imo
there is no option of cop in setup.
Why? I have looked and don’t see where this is the case by cop I mean parity cop/ tracker
if chezinu is a parity cop he doesnt have a check, if he is tracker he cannot know if slam is mafia or not because not all mafia visit.
come on?
Basically at the time I thought Chez either:
1.) claimed tracker/parity cop as VT and is engaging in WIFOM in order to draw a night kill and/or troll a bit.
2.) claimed tracker/parity cop as tracker/parity cop in order to crumb reads/ checks and negate suspicion from the town
3.) claimed tracker/parity cop as Mafia in order to draw out a counter claim?
I was leaning town if anything on chez at the time and the first option was the most likely, and the third option was really bad and would resolve itself if he is mafia.
On May 24 2023 06:49 Vivax wrote: VE seems like another VE compared to how he approached the game initially. Might rethink the TR down the road. I take issue in the fact that his first post had that ‚aha‘ component while the followup ended up all over the place with little regard as to who the vote ends up on.
As for MB, I don‘t read the derpy reasoning as AI. Knowing the character of the player, it could be mild trolling or a beginner‘s approach to pressuring me.
I‘m probably biased, but the mech talk appears disingenous enough to be town imo. I prefer to leave that slot to others to figure out. By others I mostly mean my townreads Koshi, Rayn, LS atm.
Got to filter MZ still.
Until this post here....then the tone shifts dramatically. It's less about trying to figure out meat's alignement and seems way more like trying to justify the eventual vote.
On May 24 2023 07:37 Koshi wrote: @Mebaby: one more Q, how do you feel about Vivax not wanting to scumread you even though you are aiming for his testicals this entire game?
First of al his testicals are mine now no matter if in rl or online. I think he would not scumread me ever, because he would be scared to cook and feed the snake every day on his own..
Ok. So him being meek is NAI ( not allignment indicative).
Did you see me proof that Vivax and rayn didnt leave together and that rayn was active continiously and Vivax only made 2 posts? So rayn being there when Vivax made those 2 posts is just a coincidence? And how did you "feel" that they were hiding and posting together when you were sleeping at that time?
yeah and I know you guys played this game sence years but and you have different techniques to play, and you already played with each other and know how they played. I just try my own style to get a win for als Townies But still i feel not good about Vivax in the game he is just to quiet to be town and he just write safe phrases. Like he realyy suspect for me
You don't know how I usually play. And that's not about the discord timing thing either. There were a bunch of people posting at similar timings, not just me and rayn. That's what Koshi was pointing out among other things.
Maybe you think that's a way of reading people, but nobody else does . Where was any indication that me and rayn posted in tandem? Why should we ?
On the other hand it could 'dumbtell' you as the lack of knowing that mafia chat isn't that super active could mean you're town.
This bears out in following posts, I won't post them all because they all say the same thing. I'll summarize:
"Hum haw, I think meat is meat and gawrsh I feel bad but out of my hands, talk to rayn/koshi! *shrugz0rz*"
##Vote Vivax
I really like this post because I was picking up the same vibes with Vivax at the time.
On May 25 2023 01:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I still think the meat train sucks. Like, I'm filtering Vivax now and I'd much rather lynch that than the meaty one. Here I'll show you.
Where did the one of marv/DP is scum end and why?
Did you not hear my song?
Marv and DP both look better on reread, idk if work/sleep changed my perspective, but they both seem town now. I couldn't even remember when I woke up and filtered MYSELF why I actually thought marv was mafia. DP has been like ubertryhard town the whole time.
I'm more interested in why you give a shit unless you want to lynch one of DP or marv and why you aren't CURRENTLY voting Vivax.
Don't really like this because I think you should be able to recall your reasons from the night before, and if he was pushing lynches from nothing and saying things like 'one of DP and marv is scum' for no reason then that is more likely to be something that happens to mafia as they are not stating things based on analysis but rather to blend in or seem contributory.
On May 25 2023 02:42 VisceraEyes wrote: So I think it had something to do with how I kinda scumread both of them, but marv was effectively distancing. Honestly I don't remember why I said that specific thing. lol
Could you maybe vote Vivax now? I did the thing :D
Yeah this is weak.
On May 25 2023 02:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay marv maybe you can point out where you think Vivax actually cares about figuring out meat's alignment.
Or maybe you think he like, as town, thinks trying to read someone that close is cheating? Meta?
Whatever man, I think it's scummy and further the scummiest thing in the thread aside from MAYBE Chez avoiding modkill.
I like this focus he has on getting vivax lynched and Im not sure why he would do this as mafia. It seemed to me at the time of that wagon that he really cared about the outcome of the lynch which I read as townie at the time.
I think marv mentioned that he may have done that as scum just because he can, but I don't think that actually diminishes the facts of the matter in terms of he clearly cared about his vote and the outcome on a town vs town wagon.
On May 25 2023 02:55 VisceraEyes wrote: I did consider it obviously. But I hard read meat town based on my personal experience playing with someone in the same house. I played Video Mafia with Matriarch a couple times and ALL I WANTED TO DO was figure out Becca's alignment, like knowing I wouldn't be able to talk to her about it and KNOWING it would make NO difference at all IN the game, it felt IMPORTANT to me to figure out her alignment.
It feels like meat is poking Vivax trying to get that read and it feels like Vivax has no interest.
I recall strongly agreeing with the ideas behind this post at the time in the thread as something I could genuinely relate to. I still like it.
On May 25 2023 03:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe I just don't see how DMB is actively harming town. Me posting Herby seemed more detrimental to town than anything meat is posting. What it feels like is meat is salty that Vivax doesn't INSTA read her town so she's like, making us pay. LOL
IDK it looks to me like meat trying to figure out Vivax alignment with the knowledge that everything they're hearing or not hearing isn't supposed to be taken into account, so they're overcompensating by bringing it all to the thread. And while I hate reads like this, it feels to me like Vivax is salty about the attention AS mafia. They certainly aren't trying to figure out meat's alignment in this thread. But they ARE willing to meme with meat. Like...honestly it is probably my previous exp playing with someone in the house, and it's hard to divorce that from my read.
There could be an argument that the defense of DMB is a result of additional information, but I don't like this because:
A: I had the same or similar views.
B. Its an association based on an assumed alignment of an unflipped player.
On May 25 2023 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote: I think it's way more likely she's town, poking and prodding the one person she knows in the thread, trying to figure out his alignment, in a way she thinks town won't lynch her for, very actively, and she FUCKING NAILED HIS COCK TO THE FLOOR!
This feels genuine and the way the DMB posts interelate with the Vivax read really make sense and seems hard to fake IMO.
On May 25 2023 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm here I just don't know what to do, you aren't budging and you and Koshi are gonna bring this one home. No one agrees with me on Vivax and anyone else I'd lynch either isn't in the building or currently posting and not relevant. So I played a little Spore.
I can put a vote on Chezinu, the longer he's gone after avoiding modkill with post the longer I'm sus, but he's at least not in here shitting up the thread so it's meh.
Why haven’t you engaged with me at all about MZ?
Why didn’t you answer my question about Vivax’s motivations vis a vis MB?
There has been plenty for you to get involved with.
Because I wanted to play Spore, I swear I said that.
re: Viv - I did, wasn't the question "Can you see this?" and I said "I considered it but think it's less possible"? I'll just go back and reread, but I need to go get lunch and junk.
I did engage with you about MZ, I said I'd reread if you want me to and you never responded - then he posted so I figured there is content there to judge instead of meta, so I readed his post and it looked fine. He poppin on the meat train and that deflates me, but it's whatever. He COULD be mafia, but I'm feeling townishesque based on what's in the thread.
No, you said you played Spore because there was nothing you wanted to say, the causal relationship is hehe other way round.
Okay if we're being honest, I wanted to play Spore so I disappeared. My partner finally loaded it up and we've been playing it. But mine keeps shitting me off so here I'm back. But to be frank, that's neither here nor there. I've said my piece and given my reasoning and it's sound and yall can jerk each other off as much as you want, it doesn't change the fact that no one is even considering my input and is in fact saying I'm scummy for providing it. So there's no reason for me to be in here posting other than to clear myself and if you're suspicious of me you're doing a shit job of trying to get me lynched so I have no impetus to defend myself either.
So go on marv. Talk about my causal relationship and how it makes me mafia or whatever. Unless you're going to try and get me lynched, which I welcome, then don't worry about when/if I play Spore. It's a shit game anyway.
I think this post shows a town mindset because of the fact that he is showing genuine frustration at people ignoring his contributions and instead making him defend himself. That seems hard to fake as scum.
On May 25 2023 07:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I was already townie on MZ before he went AWOL and the only thing that I didn't like was THAT he went AWOL and then he came back and his content looked fine. His read progressions made sense in the context of when they were posted.
I think what happened is that MZ was working on his post for like an hour or something getting the formatting right, acquiring quotes, and that hour that he was taking was one of the most active hours in the game. And when he came back a lot of his reads were outdated and questions he had were already answered. So what you're taking for scummy is just aggravation about the activity burst after his post.
I had actually typed all this out when he said he would detunnel and decided not to dick with it, I wish I had then.
I think this is really strong and potentially accurate analysis and a good reason for VE to act the way that he does later.
At this point VE:
1.) Strong town reads DMB and Scum reads Vivax. Based on ideas and logic that I can follow
2.) town reads MZ a read which naturally evolves, and I think the post above shows that he actually thought about and had reasons as to why.
On May 25 2023 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE would you murder Onegu?
If I had a gun I'd shoot the fuck out of Onegu. Like okay dude, I literally off-voted you before you even got back you aren't going to even look at anything else in the thread?
But I don't, and because I can kinda see a lazyTownOnegu doing that same OMGUS shit I probably wouldn't push his lynch today. TODAY.
On May 25 2023 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, he even tried to get meat to vote me too, which is just one more point for town Onegu - maf Onegu probably just vote me and fuck off again right?
On May 25 2023 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Meeehhhh....that's weak af I'd probably lynch Onegu. Def before lynching meat. Probably before lynching MZ.
This train of posts seem like he is considering Onegu genuinely, changing his mind a little and his conclusion is consistent with his other reads at the time.
On May 25 2023 07:24 Vivax wrote: I‘ma call it a nighty-o 1gu I hope delivers something decent in the future. I don‘t think he read anything at all tbh.
LS gets a downgrade for last appearance while rayn is being annoying on me, redeemed by being observant on him tho.
I‘m sorry if MZ is town. I‘d also add (to reasons why I think he’s mafia) that his complaint about the egregious posting was warranted, at the same time it felt a bit like he was exaggerating his reaction. Maybe to gain a bunch of cheap cred with those insulted.
Should be an interesting angle to revisit at some point.
Dont worry i wont be advocating a lynch on you in ANY case (while i think you could be mafia) here. You will live to see D2.
You read it here folx, rayn is actively trying to protect mafia Vivax from the lynch.
I think this is where rayn fucked up ladies and gentlemen. Until now his play could be classified as stubborn town, this post right here proves that he's actively trying to harm town, removing the stubborn town possibility entirely because townRayn would never ever not lynch Vivax if he thinks he's mafia if the lynch is viable in this situation.
FUCKING GOTTEEEEEEEEMMMMM
On May 25 2023 07:33 VisceraEyes wrote: When Vivax flips red I hope town does the sane thing and bolts a steel plate to rayns face and just lynch him with no discussion whatsoever.
These posts make zero sense and have no purpose for MAF VE to make if he is about to lynch town vivax, like what is the point here?
On May 25 2023 08:28 DarthPunk wrote: Im down with a vivax lynch, for a variety of reasons.
1,) I feel like several times he has been trying to establish that he will go on some kind of revenge arc if DMB flips town, particularly with Marv
2.) I think if DMB is town, then there is probably some merit in the out of thread stuff she has been alluding to with him.
3.) he has been trying to establish a metric for his alignment equating to active = town, even though I think he would be active in this circumstance as either alignment due to the DMB stuff and there is also the fact that DMB stated he was lurking the thread for hours, at which point activity increased.
4.) I think rayn and DMB are correct in that he is not suspicious or seem like he is curious about solving the game, which in his own words is the very driver of the aforementioned activity tell he apparently has as town,.
##Vote Vivax
CHOOO CHOOOOOOOOOO
LETS GOOOOOOOO
Like is this fake? seriously? he knows he is leading a wagon from a townie onto a townie and he is like super stoked?
On May 25 2023 06:44 die_meatbaby wrote: i am just scared to leek private things about v. don´t want to hurt anybody here
If it is political, agree be very careful.
I am incapable.
I can't read M_Z this game and will sheep Marv.
NO SHEEP ME WTF
Why does scum VE care this much?
On May 25 2023 10:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Yasss winnning
Where's your clock now Vivax? WHERE'S YOUR CLOCK NOW?!?!
Is this literally like next level mafia play, fucking stoked about this lynch and about to be shit on real hard in the night post?
Like it makes no sense, it would be so impressive to fake the emotion and care factor that VE has behind the whole Vivax wagon.
The only rational I can have for this being Maf VE is if he was (genuinely) super stoked that he cucked Marv, rayn and Koshi and got his lynch instead of theirs.
On May 25 2023 11:18 DarthPunk wrote: Not ideal, timezone issues coming into play, if he was here he could have claimed at least.
He said he was gonna set a clock. Ugh.
Immediately blame others when you lynch the doctor, yeah, I can relate.
On May 26 2023 10:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
A Public Service Announcement From VisceraEyes
I apologize one and all for leading the town to this tragedy, but we press on.
Obviously everyone on the Vivax lynch is in the hot seat. I led the lynch but because I'll be doing my utmost to figure this shitshow I created out, I'll go ahead and hope to not be the lynch D2. So that leaves meat, DP, MZ, Slam and Chez up for lynch today fmp.
I'm probably going to start by advocating for a Chez/Onegu lynch. I understand an 11th hour shenanigans, it's good wholesome fun. But then both did like literally nothing over the night-phase? Chez could even be seen as an attractive night-kill if you squint. Anyway I certainly like it more than a busy-body DP or a (admittedly waning) townread MZ lynch. Slam is.....slam. I feel like slam could always be called a coinflip. There could be something there though, I'm going to spend the rest of the night filtering. He's on the list.
It seems likely or even probable that there are 2-3 mafia inside the Vivax lynch, but that math is skewed a bit if MZ is also town. Then they could be anywhere and have literally anything in mind. If MZ is town even the town leaders on HIS lynch could be mafia. I..........don't want to live in this world. But circumstances force me to consider it. I'll leave it for another day - or when someone asks I guess.
The important thing to remember going forward is that this is NOT over. We will NOT give up. We will NOT surrender our town to the red menace. We will NOT simply roll over and let this scourge cow us into complacency.
THIS
IS
LIQUIDIA
Fucking hate this post. Way too crafted for my tastes. I think the content is fine, and pretty much reflects alot of other players thoughts.
Now that I think about it he made that wacky song too when entering the thread. That seems weird to me but I don't know what it means.
I think VE's posting drops off a cliff after D1:
He posts this
On May 26 2023 11:21 VisceraEyes wrote: DP I'm going to be honest with you - I have no fucking idea. It's like I said before the flip - if MZ is town too then that means who is on what wagon when is utterly meaningless. Mafia could have flowed freely from one to another and it make no difference to them. MZ flipping green actually helps MAFIA more than it helps us.
I want to say that mafia are in the lurker class because I'm so fucked up right now, but that feels like a copout. That just tends to be the case when a game is so fucking hard like this. It's actually WHY I advocate lurker lynches early, but I digress. I'm looking at Onegus and LSes and Chezes like I was before the flip I think. While keeping an eye to active players not making any sense.
The feeling of defeat was super relatable, maybe mostly to me as I was the other person incredibly influential in the Vivax lynch
The game felt incredibly bad at this point, and honestly I was feeling defeated and confused so I could relate to VE here and it felt like this was a genuine headspace for him to be in.
On May 27 2023 01:48 VisceraEyes wrote: My reasoning on why the Vivax lynch - from my perspective the only reason mafia would prefer one lynch vs another is if they had a blue read on one vs another. It's entirely possible that mafia joined the Vivax wagon because they had a blue read on him, and Chezinu is a NOTORIOUS blue sniper.
I don;t like the Chez vote over Onegu, but his reasoning is fine.
On May 27 2023 02:31 marvellosity wrote: Why would supporting you on Vivax lynch make DP more townie?
Because he's seeing the same game as me, I honestly was sure Vivax was mafia and he didn't just sheep me, he came in and pushed it over. Mafia DP would've just sheeped me no? Let me take the fall alone for the mislynch?
It doesn't to you. It does to me. If that makes sense.
I honestly agree that we are seeing the same game, I think one of us just needs contacts.
On May 27 2023 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote: yo wtf how does rayn go from
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
to
On May 27 2023 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk i am almost done with VE and voting him no matter what.. it's just too bad at the moment, i need a break.
like I don't even
Are you really just salty that I cucked your townie MZ lynch? Fuck off guy. I told you IN THIS THREAD that I was doing it you don't get to be mad about it because you fucked off and let me.
No, i am annoyed you call me "intentionally obtuse" a number of times when i am definitely not and making arguments you YOURSELF agree with, like:
On May 25 2023 08:23 VisceraEyes wrote: Especially with your god reads backed up by Koshi and the rest of the sheeple? Why would any mafia fucking stay tunneled on marv in that situation?
Like this is what I'm talking about rayn, it feels like you're being intentionally obtuse, I understand biases but this feels...targeted. With intent. With an agenda.
like comeon you agree with my point it's a possibility when i was arguing i didnät think town meapak would un-tunnel marv. And then i am intentionally obtuse?
On May 26 2023 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 26 2023 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 26 2023 23:37 marvellosity wrote:
On May 26 2023 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i am even entertaining to lynch LS just because if he flips mafia then i don't have to think about DP anymore. I don't think he is bussing.
I don’t agree, if they are both maf I can absolutely see him bussing. Why do you think otherwise?
idk why he should do that?
Killing Koshi kind of works here, but like... DP started the bus (if that's what it is) when there was no real lynch candidate (aside from mebaby). I don't think it's the correct play there as mafia, since there is no way to predict where the thread sentiment for town ends up on.
Isn't there, rayn? Isn't there? I seem to recall someone being able to predict where thread sentiment was heading YESTERDAY, when someone led the lynch from MZ to the DOCTOR, and I don't even have extra info. You think that someone with extra info would be unable to not only better sense thread sentiment, but be in a position to manipulate it?
Like...I've been pretty townie on DP but clearing him because he tried tried to lynch someone "when there is no lynch candidate" feels.....again, like you're being intentionally obtuse. It feels like I'm playing with rayn ON HIS FIRST EVER GAME. AWWWWWWW NEWBIE RAYN!!!!
This is full bullcrap because you're comparing scenarios some hours into the game vs some hours into the lynch and making it look like in both situations people should have the same amount of information on who gets lynched. Can you at least see hw there could be some holes in your thinking? But yeah no, rayn is intentionally obtuse playing like newbie.
And this:
On May 25 2023 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:24 Vivax wrote: I‘ma call it a nighty-o 1gu I hope delivers something decent in the future. I don‘t think he read anything at all tbh.
LS gets a downgrade for last appearance while rayn is being annoying on me, redeemed by being observant on him tho.
I‘m sorry if MZ is town. I‘d also add (to reasons why I think he’s mafia) that his complaint about the egregious posting was warranted, at the same time it felt a bit like he was exaggerating his reaction. Maybe to gain a bunch of cheap cred with those insulted.
Should be an interesting angle to revisit at some point.
Dont worry i wont be advocating a lynch on you in ANY case (while i think you could be mafia) here. You will live to see D2.
You read it here folx, rayn is actively trying to protect mafia Vivax from the lynch.
I think this is where rayn fucked up ladies and gentlemen. Until now his play could be classified as stubborn town, this post right here proves that he's actively trying to harm town, removing the stubborn town possibility entirely because townRayn would never ever not lynch Vivax if he thinks he's mafia if the lynch is viable in this situation.
FUCKING GOTTEEEEEEEEMMMMM
Actively harm town my ass, all you even had was your read based on Vivax interactions with mebaby, where your town read marv had already agreed with me your read is not necessarily true. And that immediately translates to rayn is mafia?
And after that all, you have to come and call me all kind of things and try making it look i am somehow offending you? I came to this game to play a nice game of mafia, you're ruining it. Sadly i don't even know if you're doing it because you're mafia or just an ass right now...
You're the one getting personal and calling people bad. I could be wrong about your intentions, because I'm fucking town and I don't know your alignment. But you're calling me bad which applies regardless of my alignment. Fuck you rayn. You're not going to gaslight me into thinking I'm doing anything wrong here, you're the one with a bad fucking attitude because I DARE question you. I'm playing the game. Maybe you don't like how I'm doing it, but I'm doing it. I'm not ruining shit. I never called you "all kinds of things" I said it was like I was playing with newbie rayn because it felt like you aren't considering simple shit that WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN PREVIOUS GAMES/POSTGAMES. And I did that ONE time. I'm not being mean to you or being offensive or anything like that. Maybe my reads are offensive to you. Maybe you dislike my reasoning. You were right that the Vivax read was wrong. Was it bad? Maybe. Maybe not. With a sample size of 2 I guess we'll find out eventually.
So you're either trying to gaslight me intentionally because you're fucking mafia, or you're actually so full of yourself as town that you literally think anyone who has a different opinion from you is bad at the game.
I'm going to be honest, I think maybe you're just town and a fucking dick.
This emotion feels genuine to be honest. I can relate to some of the feelings in this game, where you can be called bad or mafia for just not agreeing with dominate town voices in the thread.
I am sad that his post happened because I like rayn and this just shit things up, but I am not convinced Maf VE could fake this, particularly because VE was already slightly ruffled that he was called bad on Day 1.
Do you actually fake annoyance at being called bad day one, only to lose it day 2 when the same person calls you bad again, because if he is mafia, he KNOWS he is not bad and he has killed 3 town at this point and the Doc and the Vig are dead.
On May 27 2023 01:55 LightningStrike wrote: TTT is town he actually thinking about the game although in a different manner but at least he trying to get solid reads for himself and move the thread a bit. Onegu is null leaning town? As town he is proud of his reads even on Day 1 and did try to get Rayn to follow him on VE Day 1 before he disappeared. Chez is null I didn't like how he pretty much RNG his vote between MZ and Vivax (both flipped town) but outside of that he been pretty trolly at parts like I remember him doing as town. Slam is null he being a bit more serious than i ever remember i don't know if it's alignment indicative or not but he also being weird towards Chez which idk what to make of it. DP is mafia he been tunneling me all game and refused to reevaluate in fact he did this:
On May 26 2023 12:24 DarthPunk wrote: LS why do you think Koshi was killed?
for why I thought Koshi was killed when I posted why I thought he was killed. here:
On May 26 2023 11:41 LightningStrike wrote: First off what. Second of all the fuck. Not only we lynched the doctor but the Vig got shot and shot the other wagon to the doctor lynch and they were town w t f..........
Koshi said:
On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote: That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.
Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.
Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first.
Which means that he thinks there is at least 1 or more mafia on the Vivax wagon Look at here:
On May 25 2023 18:28 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:26 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:20 Koshi wrote: [quote] Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch.
And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake.
What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip.
I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already.
Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive.
I think you could be mafia. I will never make a case on you. I will yell all future days that I think you are mafia. I will never respect any read you make this game.
I think this is why Koshi was shot he thinks DP is a mafia on the Vivax wagon (which he did think 2 or all 3 mafia there)
Which he did reply to my post here:
On May 26 2023 11:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 26 2023 11:41 LightningStrike wrote: First off what. Second of all the fuck. Not only we lynched the doctor but the Vig got shot and shot the other wagon to the doctor lynch and they were town w t f..........
Koshi said:
On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote: That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.
Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.
Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first.
Which means that he thinks there is at least 1 or more mafia on the Vivax wagon Look at here:
On May 25 2023 18:28 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:26 DarthPunk wrote: [quote]
What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip.
I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already.
Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive.
I think you could be mafia. I will never make a case on you. I will yell all future days that I think you are mafia. I will never respect any read you make this game.
I think this is why Koshi was shot he thinks DP is a mafia on the Vivax wagon (which he did think 2 or all 3 mafia there)
You realize that both wagons being town substantially changes things, right?
dmb is mafia she went balls to walls on Vivax starting here:
On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote: It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them.
and continued here:
On May 23 2023 19:51 die_meatbaby wrote: Vivax are you scared to write something?
and tried to act confident on lynching him here:
On May 23 2023 20:12 die_meatbaby wrote:
On May 23 2023 20:08 Vivax wrote:
On May 23 2023 20:01 DarthPunk wrote: Vivax has your friend played previously?
She wrote that she didn't ಠ_ಠ
I explained a bunch of basics pre-game, mostly what is cheating and whatnot and how to avoid it, but I'd wager she's rather clueless about what to do at all at this point.
Also I assume most of her posts about me by now are teases.
I have no read on rayn at this point. In case you thought the short-breathed thing still held any relevance.
I think at this point your are just scared to be voted out on the first day
Remeber playing Poker with me? You will lose no matter which game you play with me and that you are def. mafia it makes it easier for me too
she continued for several posts and then later posted this gem:
On May 24 2023 07:28 die_meatbaby wrote:
On May 24 2023 06:33 Koshi wrote: Like you said marv is getting attacked because x people pressured him because theybdont want to lose against mafia!marv again. Who are those people and do you now read them town? Sharing is caring and can help us read you better.
Sentinel // don´t know, too less writing from him since we started Alakasla // same as sentinel Chezinu // seems like town 4) Vivax // mafia 5) LightningStrike // pretty shure town 6) DarthPunk // not quiet shure yet 7) Onegu // also not shure 8) Koshi // def. town 10) raynpelikoneet // Mafia 11) Meapak_Ziphh // also i think town for right know 12) marvellosity // town (could chance depends on his next posts) 13) VisceraEyes // town
But as you said you can lose the game perfectly with out me
When Onegu, Chez, and Sent haven't posted in the thread (Sent being replaced later on in Night 1) as well wanted to lynch Onegu for being lurker (When more likely could of been modkilled or replaced if he haven't posted heck there were several people who weren't in the game when she voted Onegu.) In fact she also tried to push marv out of fear of him being mafia even though she was super paranoid of his scum game? She ended up voting Vivax and had her vote stay there thus we lynched Vivax. I think she is stuck now after that lynch because she is mafia who is running out of options. Rayn is town he didn't try to do any sort of trap play like he did in XXX night of debauchery and been actively solving the game in a way I expected him to as town. Marv is town I know he was given a bunch of shit but he would of had only 2 page filter as mafia at this point knowing him and how I dealt with mafia Marv but he been trying to solve the game whenever he was around through his own methods. VE is null yes he improved a bit after my initial reads post but then he lynched the doctor Day 1 idk if I feel about him after that.
First of all sorry for being so inactive was celebrating my bd and had to work with hangover.
At the begining i made two mistake, First one was considering of privat thoughts that V is mafia. Already told why and i am sorry for that was a big mistake. Can explain again if you want to. Second mistake i went was this list. Did´t check it perfectly as i should. Third thing was I didn´t know that the roles get automaticly to the players and that they are not selced. So for me was the message Your are Vanilla Town like 100 % sure. I am sorry for not knowing that, so I was writing here with so much conifdence because of that I thought you all know that the newbe only can be town... Big mistake as well
For now i make a new list with my thoughts 1) TankTopTiger Town, because he came here and the way he writes and thinks is like other than the other players here but makes me sure for Town. 2) Alakaslam No opinen right now, but more like town 3) Chezinu Town 4) Vivax lynched day 1. Sorry baby for voting on you for privat thoughts 5) LightningStrike Town (for now) 6) DarthPunk Could be mafia. Maybe him or marv but not both. They are not in the same boat 7) Onegu not activ, what should I say about it 8) Koshi killed night 1 sorry but told he is town 9) die_meatbaby doesn´t matter because you all have to make your own opinen about me, even if it seems bad for me right now 10) raynpelikoneet def Mafia At the D1 i was writing V and you are Mafia. You where pissed and tried to protect your self. Few hours before the voting was ending. I made a post where I said I would change my mind on you but not on V. After this you made an fucking importent and smart post. "Onegu is perfoming to strong for being Town and Vivax is to less paronied for being Town." This changed like everything. I was pointing out that you where just writing my thougths of V. THAT WAS MY ONLY REASON OF THINKING V WAS M (big mistake and sorry for all my Townies. I learn from mistake. Thats life) I didn´t want to leek a private thing about that Paronied stuff of V. At this point VE was tryieng to get votes on V only on V. This makes me so fucking suspicious. Like this was a perfectly played move from you and VE. Just amzing. At this point after Voting I just saw what you two where doeing here. The fact that you two played this so perfectly fascinated me. Atm I realesd with how much effort you all play and how fucking accurate i have to be here. How accurate i should read the posts here. This game is def. more harder than I ever thought. This point made me realse that I shouldn´t just write my thoughts. I have do do more. Have to think things more through than I ever did in my life. 11) Meapak_Ziphh killed night 1 Sorry for saying you where m 12) marvellosity Also could be both he write in like a save way but wouldn´t vote on him right know not sure if he is with VE and Rayn in the MPG (Mafia Pussy Gang) 13) VisceraEyes 1000000% Mafia. Like nothing else. On D1 one I did make a list like this in made mistake because of not controlling everything and didn´t put much efford in it. Mistakes make people seem like mafia. Big mistake from me again. He answering on Koshi who where on this point like i am mafia and i already got 3 votes on me at this point on my first day, also birthday and first game. He tried to protect me. for Towns who thought of mafia on me. He got weak. He had compassion on me. Wrote under my post "Guys you can´t make vote on this..." Still thanks for protecting me at this moment, because as mafia you realized what beginner mistake I did and had pity on me. Nice but big mistake from you. protecting a new girl is nice but still not good for you Mafiastatus
@raynpelikoneet @VisceraEyes I would like to see a anwer from both of you
I think you should be voting for Chezinu instead of me. That's my answer. You literally didn't have anything for me to respond to.
Ahhhhh but why is Chez the best lynch out of everyone left I don’t like it!
Because he's a blue sniper and was super late to the Vivax wagon. He's done nothing, he hasn't read, he has given no reads, the only content he has is that he likes LS reads post, ONE of LS reads post, no analysis of LS previous posts or how the reads line up with previous reads. It's scummy as sin! I have no idea what he thinks about anyone! I don't even know why he's voting for Onegu, WHO LS DIDN'T EVEN MENTION IN HIS POST
He's the best because we've got nothing better. I'm in here trying to play and trying to lynch mafia. Don't lynch me. I know I'm probably the most attractive candidate.
I am not convinced Chez is maf, but I think this post makes sense if you do.
Conclusion:
Honestly, I think I feel much better about a town! VE based on reading and analyising his play this game. I don't think he is a good lynch and apart from the sketchy Marv DP read day one and the crafted entry posts to the threads.
I could be though roughly bamboozled here and if VE is scum he deserve props because I just can't see it.
At all.
If you are on the VE wagon I would appreciate the time for you to read this post. I have put a lot of effort into reading his game so far so that you don't have to.
All you have to do is read this post.
If you agree with my thoughts on VE, I can happily suggest an LS or Onegu lynch for today.
On May 28 2023 01:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I could be moved to vote for Onegu. I said before the only reason I didn't vote for him over Chez is the OMGUS and lack of posts - there's even less way for me to PROVE Onegu is mafia than there is for Chez. But I can for sure vote that dude he's way more likely maf than, for example, me who has zero chance of flipping maf.
On May 28 2023 01:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I could be moved to vote for Onegu. I said before the only reason I didn't vote for him over Chez is the OMGUS and lack of posts - there's even less way for me to PROVE Onegu is mafia than there is for Chez. But I can for sure vote that dude he's way more likely maf than, for example, me who has zero chance of flipping maf.
Why not LS??
Because I think he's more town than Onegu - he's in here actually giving reads and trying to figure shit out - as I'd expect a town to do.
Onegu is skirting modkill I guess but are we going to depend on that?
Is this because of his one post per cycle? Half of which are null reads basically?
Come on dude, how can you say he is in here figuring shit out?
On May 28 2023 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe it's when I'm active but he always seems to be like, on the other page posting. IDK I'll look again, but it's phoneposting from work so WEEEEEEEEEEEEE
On May 28 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think VE is angry at wrong things and i think it makes him mafia.
What is he angry at that is wrong exactly?
Do you think it is very natural to be angry at my reasonable posts, but not angry for instance when someone votes for you (with or especially without any reason)?
If you're a hothead, someone voting for you without any reasoning at all should be the first thing to blow you up. Not someone disagreeing with you with reasoning (even if you think it's not good reasoning).
On May 25 2023 08:23 VisceraEyes wrote: Especially with your god reads backed up by Koshi and the rest of the sheeple? Why would any mafia fucking stay tunneled on marv in that situation?
Like this is what I'm talking about rayn, it feels like you're being intentionally obtuse, I understand biases but this feels...targeted. With intent. With an agenda.
On May 26 2023 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i am even entertaining to lynch LS just because if he flips mafia then i don't have to think about DP anymore. I don't think he is bussing.
I don’t agree, if they are both maf I can absolutely see him bussing. Why do you think otherwise?
idk why he should do that?
Killing Koshi kind of works here, but like... DP started the bus (if that's what it is) when there was no real lynch candidate (aside from mebaby). I don't think it's the correct play there as mafia, since there is no way to predict where the thread sentiment for town ends up on.
Isn't there, rayn? Isn't there? I seem to recall someone being able to predict where thread sentiment was heading YESTERDAY, when someone led the lynch from MZ to the DOCTOR, and I don't even have extra info. You think that someone with extra info would be unable to not only better sense thread sentiment, but be in a position to manipulate it?
Like...I've been pretty townie on DP but clearing him because he tried tried to lynch someone "when there is no lynch candidate" feels.....again, like you're being intentionally obtuse. It feels like I'm playing with rayn ON HIS FIRST EVER GAME. AWWWWWWW NEWBIE RAYN!!!!
On May 25 2023 07:24 Vivax wrote: I‘ma call it a nighty-o 1gu I hope delivers something decent in the future. I don‘t think he read anything at all tbh.
LS gets a downgrade for last appearance while rayn is being annoying on me, redeemed by being observant on him tho.
I‘m sorry if MZ is town. I‘d also add (to reasons why I think he’s mafia) that his complaint about the egregious posting was warranted, at the same time it felt a bit like he was exaggerating his reaction. Maybe to gain a bunch of cheap cred with those insulted.
Should be an interesting angle to revisit at some point.
Dont worry i wont be advocating a lynch on you in ANY case (while i think you could be mafia) here. You will live to see D2.
You read it here folx, rayn is actively trying to protect mafia Vivax from the lynch.
I think this is where rayn fucked up ladies and gentlemen. Until now his play could be classified as stubborn town, this post right here proves that he's actively trying to harm town, removing the stubborn town possibility entirely because townRayn would never ever not lynch Vivax if he thinks he's mafia if the lynch is viable in this situation.
FUCKING GOTTEEEEEEEEMMMMM
Like these posts. Why is he angry at me?
First post he already agrees with what i am saying, just thinks it is not right. Why angry?
Second post i am talking about DP needing to predict thread sentiment at the eod1 like 5hrs into the game. VE counters with an argument where i predicted how the lynch would go like 3 hrs before deadline. It's not even close to the same thing, and again, why angry? He doesnt even think DP is mafia and i am defending his town read, why is he angry at me?
Third post, i can maybe somehow understand but still, i am just saying i won't lynch Vivax. Is it really worth a big rant???
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Now if you consider this from town VE, why doesn't any single vote on him warrant ANY emotional response from same "town" VE????
OK.
I think you are right, it did strike me as odd that - I - was the only one defending him, he wasn't even defending himself, and that somehow, he would rather not vote his 'town read' LS than survive. Like how the fuck can you be so sure that LS is town when he is objectively scummy. ##unvote
On May 28 2023 07:25 marvellosity wrote: I also think DP had his mind changed on VE very quickly here given he spent a lot of time making a massive quote post to conclude that VE was town.
But honestly, I think I would have been called mafia whatever I did,
If I stick with LS and VE flips Red, I am mafia because I was hard defending my scum buddy
If I stick with LS and VE flips green, I have TMI and how could I town read VE here = must be mafia
If I switch to RED VE from LS - Switched to fast and I was bussing.
If I switch to Town VE from LS - Switched to fast I must have been trying to hammer a townie.
So I really don't give a fuck anymore, and will just vote with Rayn and TTT because they both made sense on VE I read them as town and I clearly don't know wtf is going on anymore to end up in this situation as town.
If I put money on it LS and VE are both scum and if any of them are town it is VE.
On May 28 2023 07:26 marvellosity wrote: Like DP is mafia
im not but i understand why you could think so. I just thought about his emotion deeper than on a surface level, once rayn brought it up.
I just don’t believe that. You apparently spent so much time in his filter, considering all his posts from each alignment perspective, but then rayn brings up one thing and it turns your previous analysis on VE-town upside completely?
I dont buy it
I mean, I still think he could be needlessly antagonistic as Town, but I never really was THAT sure, i read his filter, those were my honest reactions to it at the time, I thought there were better lynches available.
Then I woke up, saw fuck all posts, VE was not even voting to not get lynched and didn't even comment on my huge post about him.
Still won't vote LS because he has a weird as fuck town read (so strong that he won't even crossvote to save himself)
I read TTT and I thought he made more sense and then rayn posts that shit and it also made sense, like what do you want from me, should be clear from the pressure I was putting on VE that I wasn;t sold on his town status.
But I don't expect anything more because I think, regardless of what I did, you would find a way for me to be scum, it has been coming for days.
On May 28 2023 07:32 DarthPunk wrote: But honestly, I think I would have been called mafia whatever I did,
If I stick with LS and VE flips Red, I am mafia because I was hard defending my scum buddy
If I stick with LS and VE flips green, I have TMI and how could I town read VE here = must be mafia
If I switch to RED VE from LS - Switched to fast and I was bussing.
If I switch to Town VE from LS - Switched to fast I must have been trying to hammer a townie.
So I really don't give a fuck anymore, and will just vote with Rayn and TTT because they both made sense on VE I read them as town and I clearly don't know wtf is going on anymore to end up in this situation as town.
If I put money on it LS and VE are both scum and if any of them are town it is VE.
Okay…
You do realise none of that is why I think you’re mafia?
The fact you are thinking about the options in terms of how it looks per each alignment is pretty telling. What I am looking for and thinking about is whether peoples thought processes are natural and make sense, not what makes me look bad or good depending on who is what alignment.
You have literally used similar arguments casting aspersions against me. I always think about the bolded as either alignment, its part of not getting lynched and sanity checking yourself.
anyway I am town, so you are wrong, I saw this coming and don't care at all if I get lynched. So there you go.
On May 28 2023 07:37 TankTopTiger wrote: Am I mistaken in thinking that DP wasn't opposed to the VE lynch before, but preferred LS?
I had made it really clear to DP that I wasn't even really considering LS for tonight because I was locked onto VE. He wants LS lynched so he was trying to downplay VE.
btw the nail in the coffin for VE in my opinion was not losing it over being voted for no reason, because it is entirely inconsistent with all the emotion I saw in his filter dive, the problem is I didn't notice it when I read his filter because it wasn;t there.
On May 28 2023 07:26 marvellosity wrote: Like DP is mafia
im not but i understand why you could think so. I just thought about his emotion deeper than on a surface level, once rayn brought it up.
I just don’t believe that. You apparently spent so much time in his filter, considering all his posts from each alignment perspective, but then rayn brings up one thing and it turns your previous analysis on VE-town upside completely?
I dont buy it
I mean, I still think he could be needlessly antagonistic as Town, but I never really was THAT sure, i read his filter, those were my honest reactions to it at the time, I thought there were better lynches available.
Then I woke up, saw fuck all posts, VE was not even voting to not get lynched and didn't even comment on my huge post about him.
Still won't vote LS because he has a weird as fuck town read (so strong that he won't even crossvote to save himself)
I read TTT and I thought he made more sense and then rayn posts that shit and it also made sense, like what do you want from me, should be clear from the pressure I was putting on VE that I wasn;t sold on his town status.
But I don't expect anything more because I think, regardless of what I did, you would find a way for me to be scum, it has been coming for days.
In a way it has been coming. And the reason it’s been coming? I didn’t have a reason to scumread you for quite a while, but I compare you to the two other high volume posters - rayn and Koshi. I got townreads on them very quickly (to the extent I was paranoid I was being mega duped) but with you - never far off null. Why did I feel that way?
Then some things I don’t think make sense from a townie perspective - the town reads and the VE stuff here - and it just clicks to me you’re mafia I am, genuinely sorry if you are town and I am just mega tunnelling. But I just really, really don’t think so
You are or you are mafia, If it's the first, I don;t actually blame you because I am self aware enough to know how things look.
On May 28 2023 10:09 VisceraEyes wrote: You know what fuck it I'm the parity cop. I was going to die silently like vivax to punish you guys but we can actually still win here if you guys quit fucking around and lynch chez or Onegu.
I checked Onegu n1 because imgus so if we kill him and they leave me alive we get a check tomorrow too, a solid check. Don't do this guys town has suffered enough.
Lol if ve is actually cop then this game was amazing. Like truly shit town performance.
On May 28 2023 10:09 VisceraEyes wrote: You know what fuck it I'm the parity cop. I was going to die silently like vivax to punish you guys but we can actually still win here if you guys quit fucking around and lynch chez or Onegu.
I checked Onegu n1 because imgus so if we kill him and they leave me alive we get a check tomorrow too, a solid check. Don't do this guys town has suffered enough.
If this is true ve and you are cop you need to take full responsibility for being lynched here
On May 28 2023 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Ya figures. Whatever I tried, maybe y'all can figure out out from here. I flip green so look at weird switches onto VE around now. DP so town it hurts, so anyone else I guess. Chez for sure. Meh.
On May 28 2023 11:21 DarthPunk wrote: By the way Rayn. Rember that podcast that we laughed about Marv not calling people mafia but smelly and stinky and shit.
He has done that exact thing with me this game. And actually played very similarly.
And I think Marv would be motivated to try hard with ve on his team.
So I’m pretty sure he is mafia and have thought that for a bit.
He has basically been calling me mafia without doing it for ages. Which is classic try hard maf Marv tell from long ago.
On May 28 2023 11:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am a sucker for some things he says, it was quite hard to convince him on VE while it would be easy to see for him. All the reasons. We will see.
I would pocket you as mafia as well btw. It’s your one weakness as town if I recall (town read on strong logical mafia players who you respect) did that to you in some games if I recall correctly.
On May 28 2023 11:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am a sucker for some things he says, it was quite hard to convince him on VE while it would be easy to see for him. All the reasons. We will see.
I would pocket you as mafia as well btw. It’s your one weakness as town if I recall (town read on strong logical mafia players who you respect) did that to you in some games if I recall correctly.
probably, but i learn, and have learned because that's my strength as mafia as well, know how to talk to people like you/marv/hapa etc.
On September 28 2014 12:41 geript wrote: But maybe DP. VE really does like to do "one of these two is mafia" as mafia, lynch the town then form a townread on his partner.
I know I said I would not use meta, but I thought I would put it out there for discussion of something other than DMB
On May 24 2023 19:26 DarthPunk wrote: By the way I have been reading my old games, and I came across this:
On September 28 2014 12:41 geript wrote: But maybe DP. VE really does like to do "one of these two is mafia" as mafia, lynch the town then form a townread on his partner.
I know I said I would not use meta, but I thought I would put it out there for discussion of something other than DMB
Just fyi.
After I posted that he fucking walked back the one of Marv and dp is mafia shit.
Actually lot of weird shit all game with me and Marv and ve.
On May 24 2023 19:26 DarthPunk wrote: By the way I have been reading my old games, and I came across this:
On September 28 2014 12:41 geript wrote: But maybe DP. VE really does like to do "one of these two is mafia" as mafia, lynch the town then form a townread on his partner.
I know I said I would not use meta, but I thought I would put it out there for discussion of something other than DMB
Just fyi.
After I posted that he fucking walked back the one of Marv and dp is mafia shit.
Actually lot of weird shit all game with me and Marv and ve.
Or maybe he had already walked back I’ll need to check.
Can I just say that Marv started soft pushing me from day one nut he agreed with me several times. Why is he agreeing with someone he was soft pushing
And then when he calls me mafia finally why does he say I have been neutral to him and I haven’t done anything scummy. Because if that was the case why was he soft pushing me from day one??
On May 28 2023 12:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like even mafia can and will say good stuff in a game, saying it is good stuff is fine, but at some point should transfer to change of read.
This is the point: because I knew that whatever I said or did Marv was going to be calling me scum for it. Almost like he was setting up the ground for when I did something bad enough. And Marv is just too good as town to play that way.
On May 28 2023 12:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like even mafia can and will say good stuff in a game, saying it is good stuff is fine, but at some point should transfer to change of read.
This is the point: because I knew that whatever I said or did Marv was going to be calling me scum for it. Almost like he was setting up the ground for when I did something bad enough. And Marv is just too good as town to play that way.
Okay. I will look into it.
IF it is not you or marv (aside from LS), do you have an idea where could the last mafia be?
I think your point about DMB is actually strong because vivax was clear about what he told her and it was not that much. And If vivax had told her that I think she would have said so. it wasn’t as if she had a filter about what she was willing to say at that time…
I actually think Marv DMB Ve is a really strong idea even though it would be sad because I would be wrong on LS.
On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote: It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them.
Well rayn definitely isn’t hiding, so what do you mean?[/QUOTE
On May 23 2023 19:36 die_meatbaby wrote: The mafia talks to the other mafia right? On Discord or somewhere else and this two always answering at the same time here.
If you were mafia, would you post at the same time on this thread if you were discussing the game with your mafia buddies on Discord at the same time?
On May 23 2023 20:18 marvellosity wrote: It has to be the plan to get meatbaby to explain their thoughts wherever possible. If town, will eliminate a lynch that mafia will have pencilled in. If not, great.
Is this a serious point? If so can you expand upon your thinking here?
Of course it’s serious, and it’s self explanatory. Which bit aren’t you getting?
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote: [quote] I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote: [quote] Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote: [quote] How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote: [quote] Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
On May 23 2023 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
If it’s not plausible, then you should be sure?
If it is plausible (which it is) then I’m right.
I am sorry if i am not that good at english. I think there is a possibility Vivax and die_meatballs had such an interaction somewhere before, she thinks Vivax is mafia now without a doubt. I just dont thin it is likely, but still i would like her to explain her stance before i cast my (even first) vote.
Goodio?
It wasn’t quite what I was getting at though. What I meant is I can envisage that a town MB could treat Vivax in this way based on their general relationship outside of this thread.
And she probably is. I don't think the poker thing in her post is a lie for a second. But if and *when* that is NOT a lie, she should be aware (as a gambler/at least gamer) that she can't figure out Vivax as mafia without any reasoning at all. I guess this might change if she GAVE the reasoning, but apparently she is unwilling to, while asked multiple times.
I already explained why I think you and Vivax are mafia. In the first few pages you can see that you too where always answering at the same time and being off at the same time. So I only can think of you too where writing your plans on discord how you can hide. I still not sure who is the 3th mafia member, but we will find out.
So you think me and Vivax were writing our thoughts on the thread at the same time because we were wrting also onb discord on how to hide?
And you after that said you are sure Vivax is mafia, like completely and utterly sure. Why does that not apply to me as per your earlier investigations? And how are you so sure?
You two stopped writing here for the same time, looked like you two where both something doing for the same 10 min and coming back here at the same time. I just preferred to vote Vivax out first because he brought me in this game.
Have you entertained the possibility of coincidence?
Marv the socratic method only works if you actually come up with a conclusion:
It doesn't feel like you're trying to draw out reasoning, it feels like you're just filling space by asking questions and then not really offering interpretations on the answers you get. You've had several people respond to your questions and rather than make meaning of the information that they've given you just continue asking questions. I'm all for asking questions but at some point your posts just start to sound like this:
On May 23 2023 22:10 marvellosity wrote: If I had to answer the question, it’s a lot of text to not say very much or actively silly stuff about killing lurkers. Text for the sake of writing text.
It's really funny to me that you wrote this post because I absolutely hate when people do what you're talking about, I call it Contributing Without Contributing and I consider it a fairly decent scumtell for most players, regardless of how experienced or inexperienced they are. Given the fact that you really haven't come to any real conclusions based on your questions, it's starting to feel as though they're simply a method to create the appearance of activity without having to actually provide concrete reads or say something of substance.
I really wouldn't have a problem with constant questions if you did something with it but you still haven't generated any real reads from it which is a warning sign to me.
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote: [quote] How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.
I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident.
I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information.
But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now.
On May 23 2023 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv do you think DP is mafia or town atm?
Don’t know
[gree]This line of posts bothers me because it feels like you're setting up for a soft push on DarthPunk but you're not willing to actually stand behind it. You constantly undercut your own read, to me that's scummy. Either stand behind your read or don't reveal it until you have more certainty, otherwise it feels like mafia leaving behind little post-it notes to muddle up the thread, you'll be easily positioned to vote DP but you'll never have to accept responsibility if he flips green.
On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend.
I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread.
Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless.
I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention.
Given my activity trying to draw MB out on their reasoning, these 2 don’t mesh so well.
It's funny that you bring up your questioning as a defense because that's exactly what I was expecting to hear when I was first reading the thread. I'll reference back to my earlier point that your activity hasn't been really pro-town and more an attempt to look involved without having to put your neck on the line.
And as to those points not meshing... the discussion was useful because it revealed you as being useless. + Show Spoiler +
On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote: It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them.
Well rayn definitely isn’t hiding, so what do you mean?[/QUOTE
On May 23 2023 19:36 die_meatbaby wrote: The mafia talks to the other mafia right? On Discord or somewhere else and this two always answering at the same time here.
If you were mafia, would you post at the same time on this thread if you were discussing the game with your mafia buddies on Discord at the same time?
On May 23 2023 20:18 marvellosity wrote: It has to be the plan to get meatbaby to explain their thoughts wherever possible. If town, will eliminate a lynch that mafia will have pencilled in. If not, great.
Is this a serious point? If so can you expand upon your thinking here?
Of course it’s serious, and it’s self explanatory. Which bit aren’t you getting?
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote: [quote] I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote: [quote] Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote: [quote] How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote: [quote] Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
On May 23 2023 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
If it’s not plausible, then you should be sure?
If it is plausible (which it is) then I’m right.
I am sorry if i am not that good at english. I think there is a possibility Vivax and die_meatballs had such an interaction somewhere before, she thinks Vivax is mafia now without a doubt. I just dont thin it is likely, but still i would like her to explain her stance before i cast my (even first) vote.
Goodio?
It wasn’t quite what I was getting at though. What I meant is I can envisage that a town MB could treat Vivax in this way based on their general relationship outside of this thread.
And she probably is. I don't think the poker thing in her post is a lie for a second. But if and *when* that is NOT a lie, she should be aware (as a gambler/at least gamer) that she can't figure out Vivax as mafia without any reasoning at all. I guess this might change if she GAVE the reasoning, but apparently she is unwilling to, while asked multiple times.
I already explained why I think you and Vivax are mafia. In the first few pages you can see that you too where always answering at the same time and being off at the same time. So I only can think of you too where writing your plans on discord how you can hide. I still not sure who is the 3th mafia member, but we will find out.
So you think me and Vivax were writing our thoughts on the thread at the same time because we were wrting also onb discord on how to hide?
And you after that said you are sure Vivax is mafia, like completely and utterly sure. Why does that not apply to me as per your earlier investigations? And how are you so sure?
You two stopped writing here for the same time, looked like you two where both something doing for the same 10 min and coming back here at the same time. I just preferred to vote Vivax out first because he brought me in this game.
Have you entertained the possibility of coincidence?
Marv the socratic method only works if you actually come up with a conclusion:
It doesn't feel like you're trying to draw out reasoning, it feels like you're just filling space by asking questions and then not really offering interpretations on the answers you get. You've had several people respond to your questions and rather than make meaning of the information that they've given you just continue asking questions. I'm all for asking questions but at some point your posts just start to sound like this:
On May 23 2023 22:10 marvellosity wrote: If I had to answer the question, it’s a lot of text to not say very much or actively silly stuff about killing lurkers. Text for the sake of writing text.
It's really funny to me that you wrote this post because I absolutely hate when people do what you're talking about, I call it Contributing Without Contributing and I consider it a fairly decent scumtell for most players, regardless of how experienced or inexperienced they are. Given the fact that you really haven't come to any real conclusions based on your questions, it's starting to feel as though they're simply a method to create the appearance of activity without having to actually provide concrete reads or say something of substance.
I really wouldn't have a problem with constant questions if you did something with it but you still haven't generated any real reads from it which is a warning sign to me.
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote: [quote] How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.
I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident.
I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information.
But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now.
On May 23 2023 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv do you think DP is mafia or town atm?
Don’t know
This line of posts bothers me because it feels like you're setting up for a soft push on DarthPunk but you're not willing to actually stand behind it. You constantly undercut your own read, to me that's scummy. Either stand behind your read or don't reveal it until you have more certainty, otherwise it feels like mafia leaving behind little post-it notes to muddle up the thread, you'll be easily positioned to vote DP but you'll never have to accept responsibility if he flips green.
On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend.
I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread.
Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless.
I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention.
Given my activity trying to draw MB out on their reasoning, these 2 don’t mesh so well.
It's funny that you bring up your questioning as a defense because that's exactly what I was expecting to hear when I was first reading the thread. I'll reference back to my earlier point that your activity hasn't been really pro-town and more an attempt to look involved without having to put your neck on the line.
And as to those points not meshing... the discussion was useful because it revealed you as being useless. + Show Spoiler +
On May 28 2023 13:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: TTT is not mafia Chezinu is not mafia Slam is most likely not mafia mebaby is most likely not mafia
What if LS is town?
This is not possible, from my perspective one of LS or DMB are scum.
From your perspective (probably) on of Marv and Myself are scum.
we have 1 mislynch in had right now. I guess it depends on which question you would like to resolve first.
I think Marv is the best lynch in terms of who I think is the most likely to flip scum, because of DMB associations. But I understand that others might be reluctant to vote that way.
If I can't lynch marv, or trying to lynch him gets me lynched. Then we can lynch me, go to 4-2, someone gets night kill and we at 3-2 with marv alive at LYLO with DMB and LS, chez and slam.
On May 28 2023 13:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay i really want you to be town, but i have a nagging feeling youre mafia with marv and VE here. I can't explain it. I think marv is mafia too here.
to DP
What do you want me to say? That's paranoia for you. I suggest you talk to TTT about me, because he will fucking nail me 100% if I was mafia.
But I am not mafia, I just played bad, and I think the Marv and I interactions basically would be incredible to fake.
On May 28 2023 13:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both of you have a huge problem to lay your vote on VE, when it's not that hard of a vote.
Yeah i'm dumb. But at least you can read why I thought what I thought, AND I really wanted to nail LS. AS for Marv its a bit less clear, because he was mostly interested in soft pushing me all game without calling me Mafia. He didn't really provide an alternative lynch candidate or be proactive at all.
On May 28 2023 07:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you still think DP and LS could be teammates marv?
In all honesty I haven’t concentrated on LS related stuff today. Are there reasons beyond your (possibly valid) one yesterday you talked to me about?
Do you know whats fucking weird. Why does he notthink about LS. When I have been posting about him for days, surely if he was suspicious of me, he would have thought about LS because I have been trying to get him lynched.
But I am not mafia, I just played bad, and I think the Marv and I interactions basically would be incredible to fake.
It's okay i dont think were losing even if you are whatever. I am just thinking WHAT will happen in case LS flips town, because i have to fucking think about it here now.
Yeah I don't know. Cause I also think Marv/DMB could be a thing.
On May 28 2023 13:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both of you have a huge problem to lay your vote on VE, when it's not that hard of a vote.
Yeah i'm dumb. But at least you can read why I thought what I thought, [...]
see my problem is, as it is with most of those pbp analysis posts. you can always make out a lot of posts that seem townie from a person who posts a lot. it is the little things that make them mafia. 10 townie things do not make 1 scummy thing -> town. otherwise i would always read marv town in this game for instance.
Yeah that is my mistake, because there was stuff in his filter I hated, but more stuff I related to.
MZ I think is mafia. It was floating around in my brain yesterday, but the case against me at least looked clean and (some) of his posts maybe looked okay, so I wasn't sure how to pinpoint what I was thinking. But rayn's comments about MZ and how his posting style appeared to him in past games really resonated to me and helped me make sense of my thoughts. Actually his case against me is too clean/obvious, and I don't think he's actually trying to discern my alignment. I think he is playing the way an old-school scum player plays, relatively unruffly comments, targeting someone (me) that has at least some thread traction, a case that 'makes sense' but doesn't dig any further.
On May 28 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway I want to lynch Marv tomorrow, but I think it will be really hard. boo.
no if youre town you lynch LS because that is something noone can derail. Then you fight with marv and get him lynched, or if LS flips town hopefully the town listens to me and they lynch marv and you.
On May 28 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway I want to lynch Marv tomorrow, but I think it will be really hard. boo.
no if youre town you lynch LS because that is something noone can derail. Then you fight with marv and get him lynched, or if LS flips town hopefully the town listens to me and they lynch marv and you.
I'll do this.
In this scenario I think it will be DP, Marv, Chez, Slam, DMB
On May 28 2023 15:03 marvellosity wrote: No I’m not doing that TTT. If you don’t understand why I thought MZ was mafia from my plenty of posts about it, you’re not gonna get it now worth further explanation.
On May 28 2023 15:41 TankTopTiger wrote: So DP you don't know what he meant?
Rayn do you?
I'm guessing he meant it was too careful? but I think he was just telling the truth, that the case was obvious, because he had been caught doing exactly that.
On May 28 2023 13:52 die_meatbaby wrote: Good morning. One M less here. Still nice play VE GG. Have to drink my coffee now and read the 10 Pages I missed.
On May 28 2023 17:59 marvellosity wrote: Just to talk about something else briefly, rayn and whoever else saying we need to lynch LS is right, the reaction stuff is still unnatural and his interest in the game just fell off a cliff which wouldn’t happen if he were town.
I think he is probably sleeping. Otherwise he seemed very interested before he went to bed.
On May 28 2023 18:07 marvellosity wrote: One other thing, DP if you aren’t mafia and you think I am mafia then please treat me civilly. Because I don’t think I have been a dick to you during my read on you.
We can easily shit up the thread for however long we’re alive by being dickheads but ultimately that’s unlikely to help town either way (unless you are mafia of course ).
Can we agree on that?
Absolutely, I'm sorry if it feels like I haven't treated you with civility, that was not my intention.
On May 28 2023 17:59 marvellosity wrote: Just to talk about something else briefly, rayn and whoever else saying we need to lynch LS is right, the reaction stuff is still unnatural and his interest in the game just fell off a cliff which wouldn’t happen if he were town.
I think he is probably sleeping. Otherwise he seemed very interested before he went to bed.
On May 28 2023 17:50 marvellosity wrote: Okay. DP if you really are town then i see what happened, which is I wildly overestimated how rational or logical I thought you are. So you should take my read on you as a compliment.
On May 28 2023 18:07 marvellosity wrote: One other thing, DP if you aren’t mafia and you think I am mafia then please treat me civilly. Because I don’t think I have been a dick to you during my read on you.
We can easily shit up the thread for however long we’re alive by being dickheads but ultimately that’s unlikely to help town either way (unless you are mafia of course ).
Can we agree on that?
Can I ask why you posted this, because I can't see the part where I was not civil to you, I can see the parts where you call me bad and obtuse.
On May 28 2023 18:45 marvellosity wrote: Someone somewhere asked me why I hadn’t said the same things about VE and DP in relation to the townreads, maybe MB specifically?
The reason is DP and VE are not the same players. VE is in a league of his own - in brilliant, crazy, and bad ways. He doesn’t fit the mould of what a “normal” player thinks like. DP does fit into the more typical mould. So if VE is making weird reads with weird reasons that feels quite normal to me. And a lot of people asked “would a mafia VE really do x/y/z” and I said yes he absolutely could… because he doesn’t fit the normal mould. If DP is doing something I don’t think is logical and I believe him to be a “standard” player my conclusions are going to be different.
Frankly rayn’s suspicions have completely thrown me, because I can’t understand how or why he’d be suspicious of me, at all, when I strongly feel we’d been trying to figure out the game together for like 4 days now. So either rayn is mafia (which I don’t really believe for the reasons I’m shocked he’s suspicious of me) or I’m so wrong on DP that’s somehow made rayn suspicious of me.
So it’s creating doubt on my read on you DP. Maybe (for example) your attacks on Koshi were just legitimate feelings, even though I could not see how anything you were saying could possibly make him mafia. Which is quite easy for me to fit into DP-scum narrative. But maybe you had crazy early strong townread on DMB, maybe you had “too many townreads” when I had about 2, maybe this happened because I don’t view the game in the same way as you do. Maybe.
Well, if you are town then this is probably a really good analysis, I think that I approach the game differently than the other veteran players, probably as a result of the last 7 years not playing, I feel like this group has really established ideas of what is good and why and what wasn't that open to other perspectives, although MZ and others read me town I don't think I played particularly well at the start of the game. VE for example owned me, but i also think you guys throw around calling people bad/dumb/mafia for being more correct or thinking differently really quickly and often.
If you are mafia though I think I did well catching you. So that's something.
On May 28 2023 14:19 marvellosity wrote: Great result with VE.
If rayn is thinking about pushing me now maybe i am wrong about DP and I have been mega duped by rayn. Maybe that’s why Koshi died N1.
Because I look at the number of posts rayn hard-reads me as town and now this? I don’t understand it.
You think Rayn is maf?? Really? Lmao
It was this post (just had visions of you laughing at me in this way over and over which isn’t helpful) combined with your Koshi read.
You haven’t actually been rude; I’m just being a snowflake.
Well, I know I have ruthlessly tunneled you in past games, so I understand being wary of this.
And unless you can explain all the reasons that have been given for you being mafia, I don't really think that 'Rayn agrees that Marv could be scum so my DP read must not be correct is going to do it for me.'
On May 28 2023 18:45 marvellosity wrote: DP does fit into the more typical mould. So if VE is making weird reads with weird reasons that feels quite normal to me. And a lot of people asked “would a mafia VE really do x/y/z” and I said yes he absolutely could… because he doesn’t fit the normal mould. If DP is doing something I don’t think is logical and I believe him to be a “standard” player my conclusions are going to be different.
I also think this is not quite right, I have always been a more balanced player than others, I literally used to get into massive fights as either alignment, I would use OMGUS, appeals to emotion, Flame, aggression, etc. etc. as either alignment.
I definitely don't agree that I fit into the typecast strong townie that sacrifices their scum play, like Hapa, you at times etc.
I have always felt I have played scummier town as a way to balance my mafia play.
On May 28 2023 19:42 marvellosity wrote: I don’t understand what these reasons are? The MZ case on me was “he asks a lot of questions” but there was no attempt to discern anything further than that. His posting (at that time) was very clean. I don’t get what’s difficult to understand about this.
I don’t care what does it for you either, I’ve explained my perspective and if you don’t accept that, there’s nothing else I can say about it.
Nor did I say my DP read must not be correct, for the record, just that has given me a whole boatload of doubt I did not previously have.
How would you feel if someone you were strongly townreading and you thought was strongly townreading you suddenly about faced on you?
Do you really not understand the reasons as they are stated in the thread?
On May 28 2023 18:45 marvellosity wrote: DP does fit into the more typical mould. So if VE is making weird reads with weird reasons that feels quite normal to me. And a lot of people asked “would a mafia VE really do x/y/z” and I said yes he absolutely could… because he doesn’t fit the normal mould. If DP is doing something I don’t think is logical and I believe him to be a “standard” player my conclusions are going to be different.
I also think this is not quite right, I have always been a more balanced player than others, I literally used to get into massive fights as either alignment, I would use OMGUS, appeals to emotion, Flame, aggression, etc. etc. as either alignment.
I definitely don't agree that I fit into the typecast strong townie that sacrifices their scum play, like Hapa, you at times etc.
I have always felt I have played scummier town as a way to balance my mafia play.
But anyway. this is all out of the game stuff.
It’s all game stuff though, it’s just another definition of meta.
On May 28 2023 19:42 marvellosity wrote: I don’t understand what these reasons are? The MZ case on me was “he asks a lot of questions” but there was no attempt to discern anything further than that. His posting (at that time) was very clean. I don’t get what’s difficult to understand about this.
I don’t care what does it for you either, I’ve explained my perspective and if you don’t accept that, there’s nothing else I can say about it.
Nor did I say my DP read must not be correct, for the record, just that has given me a whole boatload of doubt I did not previously have.
How would you feel if someone you were strongly townreading and you thought was strongly townreading you suddenly about faced on you?
Do you really not understand the reasons as they are stated in the thread?
I’m going to be really sad if you are town. Because then I was really lost in this game.
Can I ask you another question actually? Why do you think ls is such an obvious lynch now, if you didn’t think of him at all yesterday? And what does it mean for my alignment if ls flips town does that change things for you?
On May 28 2023 20:14 marvellosity wrote: I don’t know how to answer this beyond what I’ve previously said.
Like Vivax said, well written posts. The sort of case that when a mafia tries to make a case on a townie they would make. If you don’t grasp the concept of how mafia tend to write in this sort of way more than townies, I don’t know how else to help you. Mafia cases are by definition untrue and insincere and so they need to be written with nice words and quotes to illustrate something that isn’t reality.
I guess this doesn’t really make sense because I definitely have not been making careful posts and you In fact jump on those as scummy mistakes or whatever. So it’s not really consistent if you think mafia make crafted posts and then my posts which are obviously not crafted make me mafia.
Fwiw I don’t think I ever made crafted posts as mafia, so maybe that’s why it doesn’t ring true to me.
On May 28 2023 20:14 marvellosity wrote: I don’t know how to answer this beyond what I’ve previously said.
Like Vivax said, well written posts. The sort of case that when a mafia tries to make a case on a townie they would make. If you don’t grasp the concept of how mafia tend to write in this sort of way more than townies, I don’t know how else to help you. Mafia cases are by definition untrue and insincere and so they need to be written with nice words and quotes to illustrate something that isn’t reality.
I guess this doesn’t really make sense because I definitely have not been making careful posts and you In fact jump on those as scummy mistakes or whatever. So it’s not really consistent if you think mafia make crafted posts and then my posts which are obviously not crafted make me mafia.
Fwiw I don’t think I ever made crafted posts as mafia, so maybe that’s why it doesn’t ring true to me.
Why do you think his case was obvious?
Are you for fucking real that one thing that might make someone mafia has to be applied the same to someone else?
All mafia must be caught in the same way? Come on.
I have been extremely clear why I think you are mafia and the reasons behind that. The fact they aren’t the same as for MZ is totally irrelevant.
That’s not the point of that post, the point is that people play differently and that a person can make crafted posts and this is not a really strong reason to make him mafia and lead a wagon on him.
In fact I think the reason you voted him/pushed him was to discredit him and use your thread presence to get him lynched, because he nailed you as mafia for the exact reasons he stated.
On May 29 2023 07:08 LightningStrike wrote: DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him.
On May 29 2023 07:08 LightningStrike wrote: DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him.
On May 29 2023 07:08 LightningStrike wrote: DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him.
So your scum team is me, chez and Alakaslam?
You, VE(flipped) , and ? that where i am atm.
Have you read the whole game
I had.
Can I ask why chez was town, then null, and now a scumspect.
On May 29 2023 07:08 LightningStrike wrote: DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him.
So your scum team is me, chez and Alakaslam?
You, VE(flipped) , and ? that where i am atm.
Have you read the whole game
I had.
Can I ask why chez was town, then null, and now a scumspect.
I had him town early because he felt like his normal trolly self. I went null due to how he voted Vivax which i felt like was scummy (RNGing your lynch there on two wagons????) I didn't call him scum no i said i needed to read him better. I do know his true tell tale sign which @Chez how do you read yourself?
I viewed chez's vote at the time as caring about the result of the lynch, which, on a town vs town wagon, doesn't really make sense for scum CHEZ.
On May 29 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: Seriously no one is here to talk?? Been waiting for someone to talk in here but it been dead silence?
On May 29 2023 06:57 LightningStrike wrote: sigh I guess no one wants to talk
This feels really insincere honestly, like you haven't been active all game, which is fine (especially if you have IRL stuff)
But then why would you make a show of there being inactivity in the thread? which up until this point has been really active, also its night time, so people are less likely to post stuff that they believe will influence the night actions of mafia.
Your emotions are not consistent with your actions.
On May 29 2023 07:08 LightningStrike wrote: DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him.
So your scum team is me, chez and Alakaslam?
You, VE(flipped) , and ? that where i am atm.
Why do you think I am mafia, you seem very sure about this, to the point of not moving your vote on to mafia from me.
So you must have a really strong reason, lets see it.
On May 29 2023 07:08 LightningStrike wrote: DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him.
So your scum team is me, chez and Alakaslam?
You, VE(flipped) , and ? that where i am atm.
Have you read the whole game
I had.
Can I ask why chez was town, then null, and now a scumspect.
I had him town early because he felt like his normal trolly self. I went null due to how he voted Vivax which i felt like was scummy (RNGing your lynch there on two wagons????) I didn't call him scum no i said i needed to read him better. I do know his true tell tale sign which @Chez how do you read yourself?
I viewed chez's vote at the time as caring about the result of the lynch, which, on a town vs town wagon, doesn't really make sense for scum CHEZ.
He said RNG'd to Vivax via someone posting on an even number post which i think he based it off of? Mafia motivation would be just no care because we know now both wagons are town and he could just lynch anyone at that point.
Didn't you just say that trolling is part of the reason you read chez as town? and then he was trolling in that post and you think he is scummy for that.
I actually don't think that post was RNG I think it was saying he wasn't sure who to vote for and asking who he should lynch. Slam was straight on it and then made sure that the post he made correlated to the Vivax wagon,
Its part of why I read them both as town basically.
On May 29 2023 07:08 LightningStrike wrote: DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him.
So your scum team is me, chez and Alakaslam?
You, VE(flipped) , and ? that where i am atm.
Why do you think I am mafia, you seem very sure about this, to the point of not moving your vote on to mafia from me.
So you must have a really strong reason, lets see it.
Stuff from what I posted earlier in my filter (My case on you) plus seeing VE flipped red the mindmeld could be faked. In addition right now I feel like your posting to post towards me?
So I am mafia for attacking you?
Is there anything else that you have considered in my 22 pages of filter?
On May 28 2023 07:26 marvellosity wrote: Like DP is mafia
im not but i understand why you could think so. I just thought about his emotion deeper than on a surface level, once rayn brought it up.
I just don’t believe that. You apparently spent so much time in his filter, considering all his posts from each alignment perspective, but then rayn brings up one thing and it turns your previous analysis on VE-town upside completely?
I dont buy it
I mean, I still think he could be needlessly antagonistic as Town, but I never really was THAT sure, i read his filter, those were my honest reactions to it at the time, I thought there were better lynches available.
Then I woke up, saw fuck all posts, VE was not even voting to not get lynched and didn't even comment on my huge post about him.
Still won't vote LS because he has a weird as fuck town read (so strong that he won't even crossvote to save himself)
I read TTT and I thought he made more sense and then rayn posts that shit and it also made sense, like what do you want from me, should be clear from the pressure I was putting on VE that I wasn;t sold on his town status.
But I don't expect anything more because I think, regardless of what I did, you would find a way for me to be scum, it has been coming for days.
In a way it has been coming. And the reason it’s been coming? I didn’t have a reason to scumread youfor quite a while , but I compare you to the two other high volume posters - rayn and Koshi. I got townreads on them very quickly (to the extent I was paranoid I was being mega duped) but with you - never far off null. Why did I feel that way?
Then some things I don’t think make sense from a townie perspective - the town reads and the VE stuff here - and it just clicks to me you’re mafia
I am, genuinely sorry if you are town and I am just mega tunnelling. But I just really, really don’t think so
You didn't have as strong read on me until just before the VE lynch.
You aren't telling the truth here Marv. your narrative isn't consistent.
On May 28 2023 19:50 DarthPunk wrote: I’m going to be really sad if you are town. Because then I was really lost in this game.
Can I ask you another question actually? Why do you think ls is such an obvious lynch now, if you didn’t think of him at all yesterday? And what does it mean for my alignment if ls flips town does that change things for you?
Because LS lynch becomes more and more obvious the longer the game goes on and hes not invested. Yesterday I didn’t need to think about him because I had 2 other strong mafia reads.
Obviously if you are mafia as well as LS then he was bussing you, I don’t know if that’s realistic or not. How he treated VE, for example, was completely different.
On May 28 2023 07:26 marvellosity wrote: Like DP is mafia
im not but i understand why you could think so. I just thought about his emotion deeper than on a surface level, once rayn brought it up.
I just don’t believe that. You apparently spent so much time in his filter, considering all his posts from each alignment perspective, but then rayn brings up one thing and it turns your previous analysis on VE-town upside completely?
I dont buy it
I mean, I still think he could be needlessly antagonistic as Town, but I never really was THAT sure, i read his filter, those were my honest reactions to it at the time, I thought there were better lynches available.
Then I woke up, saw fuck all posts, VE was not even voting to not get lynched and didn't even comment on my huge post about him.
Still won't vote LS because he has a weird as fuck town read (so strong that he won't even crossvote to save himself)
I read TTT and I thought he made more sense and then rayn posts that shit and it also made sense, like what do you want from me, should be clear from the pressure I was putting on VE that I wasn;t sold on his town status.
But I don't expect anything more because I think, regardless of what I did, you would find a way for me to be scum, it has been coming for days.
In a way it has been coming. And the reason it’s been coming? I didn’t have a reason to scumread youfor quite a while , but I compare you to the two other high volume posters - rayn and Koshi. I got townreads on them very quickly (to the extent I was paranoid I was being mega duped) but with you - never far off null. Why did I feel that way?
Then some things I don’t think make sense from a townie perspective - the town reads and the VE stuff here - and it just clicks to me you’re mafia
I am, genuinely sorry if you are town and I am just mega tunnelling. But I just really, really don’t think so
You didn't have as strong read on me until just before the VE lynch.
You aren't telling the truth here Marv. your narrative isn't consistent.
Can I ask why chez was town, then null, and now a scumspect.
I had him town early because he felt like his normal trolly self. I went null due to how he voted Vivax which i felt like was scummy (RNGing your lynch there on two wagons????) I didn't call him scum no i said i needed to read him better. I do know his true tell tale sign which @Chez how do you read yourself?
I viewed chez's vote at the time as caring about the result of the lynch, which, on a town vs town wagon, doesn't really make sense for scum CHEZ.
He said RNG'd to Vivax via someone posting on an even number post which i think he based it off of? Mafia motivation would be just no care because we know now both wagons are town and he could just lynch anyone at that point.
Didn't you just say that trolling is part of the reason you read chez as town? and then he was trolling in that post and you think he is scummy for that.
I actually don't think that post was RNG I think it was saying he wasn't sure who to vote for and asking who he should lynch. Slam was straight on it and then made sure that the post he made correlated to the Vivax wagon,
Its part of why I read them both as town basically.
The RNG stuff felt more serious to me at the time given everything but it could of been trolling? Idk though maybe i misread it that entire thing. Will recheck this stuff in a bit because I getting a headache and need to take medicine.
Im really sorry if you are town and this is all legit, but I mean, you literally just complained about people not talking to you in the thread, and then when I do, you cant talk about it or go into it?
Can I ask why chez was town, then null, and now a scumspect.
I had him town early because he felt like his normal trolly self. I went null due to how he voted Vivax which i felt like was scummy (RNGing your lynch there on two wagons????) I didn't call him scum no i said i needed to read him better. I do know his true tell tale sign which @Chez how do you read yourself?
I viewed chez's vote at the time as caring about the result of the lynch, which, on a town vs town wagon, doesn't really make sense for scum CHEZ.
He said RNG'd to Vivax via someone posting on an even number post which i think he based it off of? Mafia motivation would be just no care because we know now both wagons are town and he could just lynch anyone at that point.
Didn't you just say that trolling is part of the reason you read chez as town? and then he was trolling in that post and you think he is scummy for that.
I actually don't think that post was RNG I think it was saying he wasn't sure who to vote for and asking who he should lynch. Slam was straight on it and then made sure that the post he made correlated to the Vivax wagon,
Its part of why I read them both as town basically.
The RNG stuff felt more serious to me at the time given everything but it could of been trolling? Idk though maybe i misread it that entire thing. Will recheck this stuff in a bit because I getting a headache and need to take medicine.
Im really sorry if you are town and this is all legit, but I mean, you literally just complained about people not talking to you in the thread, and then when I do, you cant talk about it or go into it?
Come on bro.
Didn't have to do the game it's a sinus headache and I just checked after getting some medicine. It was RNG'd here it is:
On May 29 2023 10:05 LightningStrike wrote: I mean it's to much as there was 2 people but still point stand it was still RNG'd just towards VIvax over MZ.
Its not RNG though, he is asking who he should vote for? We all read that right? so then we are going to be racing to start a post with our preffered lynch,
Which is what slam did,
Is none of this changing your mind?
If Slam and Chez flipped town right now who is the final mafia?
On May 29 2023 07:08 LightningStrike wrote: DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him.
So your scum team is me, chez and Alakaslam?
You, VE(flipped) , and ? that where i am atm.
Why do you think I am mafia, you seem very sure about this, to the point of not moving your vote on to mafia from me.
So you must have a really strong reason, lets see it.
Stuff from what I posted earlier in my filter (My case on you) plus seeing VE flipped red the mindmeld could be faked. In addition right now I feel like your posting to post towards me?
So I am mafia for attacking you?
Is there anything else that you have considered in my 22 pages of filter?
Not exactly for attacking me but the manor of you attacking me. Felt like you went for an easy target in me (I am the most lynchable person in TL Mafia ever). Plus remember when you asked me about why I thought Koshi was killed? I had already had answered it and felt scummy how you did answer that post.
Why do you think you are an easy target and the most lynchable person ever,. if that were the case don't you think you would have got more than 1 vote yesterday?
In fact most people have not been interested in pursuing you as a lynch all game, that basically demonstrates to me you are not the most lynchable person in TL mafia ever.
On May 29 2023 10:05 LightningStrike wrote: I mean it's to much as there was 2 people but still point stand it was still RNG'd just towards VIvax over MZ.
Its not RNG though, he is asking who he should vote for? We all read that right? so then we are going to be racing to start a post with our preffered lynch,
Which is what slam did,
Is none of this changing your mind?
If Slam and Chez flipped town right now who is the final mafia?
To be fair he did say Even character be Vivax Odd be MZ in his very next post but regardless. If Slam and Chez flipped ( I had them nulls but Chez thing was a misread overall and had him town before hand but want to confirm his alignment for the rest of the town) town I will have to do an entire evaluation of the entire game from scratch which I had done before as town.
On May 29 2023 10:05 LightningStrike wrote: I mean it's to much as there was 2 people but still point stand it was still RNG'd just towards VIvax over MZ.
Its not RNG though, he is asking who he should vote for? We all read that right? so then we are going to be racing to start a post with our preffered lynch,
Which is what slam did,
Is none of this changing your mind?
If Slam and Chez flipped town right now who is the final mafia?
To be fair he did say Even character be Vivax Odd be MZ in his very next post but regardless. If Slam and Chez flipped ( I had them nulls but Chez thing was a misread overall and had him town before hand but want to confirm his alignment for the rest of the town) town I will have to do an entire evaluation of the entire game from scratch which I had done before as town.
OK but can you re-evaluate now as a hypothetical?
If I really had to use a gun to point at my head and assume both flipping town right at this very second maybe Marv, and you? But mostly because I would have to accept my read on Marv is wrong but I am pretty sure I can read him.
On May 29 2023 10:24 LightningStrike wrote: Unless you want me to just do an entire revaluation right now based i can try right now but that i had going into the filter dives.
The problem is, I read slam and Chez both as town, I know I am town, so in a world in which you are town, I want to kind of see if I can agree with any of your thought processes or reads, and see if we can read the game in a way that makes sense together.
On May 29 2023 11:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: You guys really need to discuss more. Last day was mostly me and TTT and a little bit of DP discussing shit. Can't find mafia if people don't force other people to discuss stuff.
On May 29 2023 10:50 LightningStrike wrote: DP if I flip town (Which I know I will) Can you name your mafia team?
Yep. Marv and DMB.
Reason for DMB?
Associations with Marv and VE pretty much. Plus her day one shit that made no sense.
I can see Scum!VE flying in there to save her and then telling her to bus him so that it makes life easier on her.
And then the fact she talked about marvs feared scum game, I think rayn is right and that could be from marv and VE flexing with a newbie in the scum QT.
On May 29 2023 11:04 TankTopTiger wrote: Am i wrong in thinking that connecto-cases this early tend to be bad?
Like, we only have VE, who played knowing there was a good chance he goes down early. He leaned into getting lynched. Trying to name the entire team before we unburrow a non-throwaway mafia seems like putting the cart before the horse.
On May 29 2023 10:50 LightningStrike wrote: DP if I flip town (Which I know I will) Can you name your mafia team?
Yep. Marv and DMB.
Reason for DMB?
Associations with Marv and VE pretty much. Plus her day one shit that made no sense.
I can see Scum!VE flying in there to save her and then telling her to bus him so that it makes life easier on her.
And then the fact she talked about marvs feared scum game, I think rayn is right and that could be from marv and VE flexing with a newbie in the scum QT.
That and POE, I have town reads on the rest.
I can see where you coming from like ya it could be seen that way but I don't think so though unless you think VE would coach her to do that kind of stuff towards him?
On May 29 2023 11:19 TankTopTiger wrote: Well played Rayn. Thanks for the dump.
I'm parking a vote on Marv for all of the many reasons I've discussed at length. I simply cannot reconcile all the claims made about him carrying town with his actions. When I look at Rayn or Koshi, I got town vibes constantly. With DP, it's more complicated, because I know that he's insanely difficult to track as mafia. But for Marv, who is supposed to be the easiest town to spot, I see mostly evidence of him being mafia. Everything everyone has said about his meta indicates he should be a green read at this point if he is town but he's not even close. If you guys hold his town play in high regard like Koshi and Rayn demanded I do, then he's pretty clearly mafia at this point.
##vote: Marv
I agree with this, and I also want to betray rayn here and lynch marv now, because I think it will be really hard to do it later.
On May 29 2023 11:17 Alakaslam wrote: The things that implicate you are constant lurking + list post from hell
I know that isn't much but in this particular game that is enough, combined with the gut read of Rayn
Let's see I was pretty much absent all of Day 2 because of irl stuff which I posted. I not constantly lurking at all just replying to stuff and asking questions Night 2 and atm.
Actually you did nothing much at all, your actions and your displayed emotions don;t mesh together and you start to be active as soon as you start to seriously get called out for it...
On May 29 2023 11:04 TankTopTiger wrote: Am i wrong in thinking that connecto-cases this early tend to be bad?
Like, we only have VE, who played knowing there was a good chance he goes down early. He leaned into getting lynched. Trying to name the entire team before we unburrow a non-throwaway mafia seems like putting the cart before the horse.
What does PoE mean again?
What are you referring to hear?
I'm referring to talking about having a whole lineup of the scum team. You said Marv/MB/VE and LS said me/Marv/VE. To me this feels out of sequence, we should wait until we get a kill on a mafia who isn't playing around being caught before we try to dream up the entire scum team. Otherwise we're A) building cases on quicksand and B) choreographing our play so that scum knows who to fuck with.
It was in hypothetical situations with multiple flips.
Like LS asked if he flipped town, I said to LS if Slam and Chez flipped town.
its playing around with POE, nothing to see here basically aside form if in these hypotheticals your thinking aligns or not.
Im down to lynch marv or LS, but I'd reather lynch marv first, because I am more certain about him than LS ( because I think Marv -VE- DMB could be a thing) and because I don't know if Ill be able to lynch him with less townies on the board cause its gonna be hard.
On May 29 2023 11:04 LightningStrike wrote: Well that NK point towards me.... At least I was right about my read on him.
Why?
I am not seeing how this NK implicates anyone, Rayn was so town it hurts and is the only one of us who has managed to actually catch scum
Like the team would then just let him live?
Pure WIFOM to think anything is implied by this NK other than "raynpelikoneet good"
Let's see in his last will he did say to lynch me today. Yes I do know he is a good player but why did he not get killed Night 1 then?
My god this is bad. Is Koshi not a good player?
Look how easy it is do even a smiple NK anallysis of this
Koshi suspected Marv during day 1 Died Night 1
Rayn suspected Marv during day 2 Died Night 2.
Marv is generally a legit monster town player why did he not die night 1.
Like, I don't even.....
Koshi in general doesn't die Night 1 over Rayn at least from what I remembered when both are town heck he flips his reads a bit more than Rayn does in general. Marv not dying Night 1 could set him up as a possible lynch or him being wrong? I guess idk man it's WIFOM. Maybe Rayn and Koshi were right and I was wrong about Marv?
Yes I know its WIFOM but you brought it up. I already stated ITT that I don't like to do NK analysis. I have fucked up multiple towns by not killing the obvious NK.
Im just trying to point out how bad and pointless that statement was.
On May 29 2023 11:35 TankTopTiger wrote: LS you've had real life stuff, but that doesn't mean you have done stuff in this game. From the reader's perspective you are just a non-contributing player one way or another. You can't win on that front so don't bother arguing it.
I know and I am trying to contribute now that I can play.
You have a 4 page filter, TTT has a four page filter.
TTT has caught scum and is a hard town read for almost everyone
LS is a ? at best and scum at worst.
Its not just your level of activity that is determining peoples read on you.
On May 29 2023 11:44 TankTopTiger wrote: FWIW LS I haven't even read the vast majority of your posts and your back and forths etc. You seem to constantly think you're under insane pressure but the only pressure I see on you is DP gently asking you questions, as if to gather the information for a potential future case.
If I were to guess, I'd say you probably see day 4 and if you don't there's not much you can do about it given your limited contribution. So plan around having a solid position that can be appraised day 4, so that (assuming you're town), you give us a solid chance not to mislynch you.
Will do my best but it definitely felt like a lot of pressure though.
On May 30 2023 03:17 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and Marv gave up I don't know how to feel about that to be honest. Also dmb ninja voted Marv too. Hmmm
Marv giving up is his mafia meta. He did just make that big post. Dunno, this is the same as what Marv does when caught as mafia from memory
On May 29 2023 17:38 TankTopTiger wrote: Do mafia get to keep posting in the mafia discord after they've been lynched?
For my own filter in ~36 hours
I think marv slips here in his weakness after he gives up.
Why is marv posting this for after he flips as town?
He is saving something for after the game that confirms someone else as town in his eyes.
Is marv salty here because he thinks a town player accusing him is using out of the thread information, that only town would post and is going to be coming back to this to complain after he is lynched.
On May 30 2023 03:29 marvellosity wrote: LightningStrike, if you are town you need to vote with me and lynch DP.
If not, then I will flip town, DP will get lynched and flip mafia, then you will get lynched. Your choice bud.
This appeal to emotion is just to strong for me. If he is mafia he wouldn't of appealed to me this hard over others. ## Vote: DarthPunk
I can't vote with my strongest SR
##Vote swap
We should be lynching that though, IMO
You are amazing!!!!
They are both confirmed mafia to me at this point, so either lynch is good, its just going to be really hard to lynch marv later, cause we only need one townie not on that wagon and we lose, and, as you saw, marv is really convincing.
On May 30 2023 03:29 marvellosity wrote: LightningStrike, if you are town you need to vote with me and lynch DP.
If not, then I will flip town, DP will get lynched and flip mafia, then you will get lynched. Your choice bud.
This appeal to emotion is just to strong for me. If he is mafia he wouldn't of appealed to me this hard over others. ## Vote: DarthPunk
I can't vote with my strongest SR
##Vote swap
We should be lynching that though, IMO
You are amazing!!!!
They are both confirmed mafia to me at this point, so either lynch is good, its just going to be really hard to lynch marv later, cause we only need one townie not on that wagon and we lose, and, as you saw, marv is really convincing.
I still don't like lynching vets before though as often the town vet gets NK and it makes things much clearer.
TTT is the right NK in this specific situation tho, and then you have me VS marv and every townie has to get it right.
That is really difficult and that is the ONLY reason I am not lynching LS today.
On May 30 2023 03:29 marvellosity wrote: LightningStrike, if you are town you need to vote with me and lynch DP.
If not, then I will flip town, DP will get lynched and flip mafia, then you will get lynched. Your choice bud.
This appeal to emotion is just to strong for me. If he is mafia he wouldn't of appealed to me this hard over others. ## Vote: DarthPunk
I can't vote with my strongest SR
##Vote swap
We should be lynching that though, IMO
You are amazing!!!!
They are both confirmed mafia to me at this point, so either lynch is good, its just going to be really hard to lynch marv later, cause we only need one townie not on that wagon and we lose, and, as you saw, marv is really convincing.
Really convincing because it’s genuine. That’s why you think it’s really convincing
Town, are you seeing all this?
Slam, LS is most likely just bussing to get a reaction from you. If you don’t see that then not a lot I can do. If DP and LS are mafia together I backed them into a corner and they need to make a plan, which probably isn’t LS hard defending DP.
On May 30 2023 03:29 marvellosity wrote: LightningStrike, if you are town you need to vote with me and lynch DP.
If not, then I will flip town, DP will get lynched and flip mafia, then you will get lynched. Your choice bud.
This appeal to emotion is just to strong for me. If he is mafia he wouldn't of appealed to me this hard over others. ## Vote: DarthPunk
I can't vote with my strongest SR
##Vote swap
We should be lynching that though, IMO
You are amazing!!!!
They are both confirmed mafia to me at this point, so either lynch is good, its just going to be really hard to lynch marv later, cause we only need one townie not on that wagon and we lose, and, as you saw, marv is really convincing.
Really convincing because it’s genuine. That’s why you think it’s really convincing
Town, are you seeing all this?
Slam, LS is most likely just bussing to get a reaction from you. If you don’t see that then not a lot I can do. If DP and LS are mafia together I backed them into a corner and they need to make a plan, which probably isn’t LS hard defending DP.
On May 29 2023 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think DP has looked more natural in his read progression. If LS is mafia, i don't know why DP has to have him as soft buss all game? Like DP can bus for sure, but i don't know what's it worth? If LS is town why wasn't LS up for lynch by mafia DP on D2? With LS wagon distraction there it could be possible, even LIKELY that there is a town lynch instead of VE lynch, and noone could even blame DP for that because he has been playing towards it whole game. Hell even if LS is mafia lynching inactive mafia member in team instead of hyper active VE is a win in comparison to situation now.
If you are town you need to read this post carefully
On May 28 2023 11:21 DarthPunk wrote: By the way Rayn. Rember that podcast that we laughed about Marv not calling people mafia but smelly and stinky and shit.
He has done that exact thing with me this game. And actually played very similarly.
And I think Marv would be motivated to try hard with ve on his team.
So I’m pretty sure he is mafia and have thought that for a bit.
This actually happened, Marv when he played as active mafia back in the day, had a couple of tells.
1.) he soft pushed people while not outright calling them mafia, and instead stinky/smelly
2.) he gave up quickly under pressure.
Im going to address the first one here.
On May 25 2023 03:01 marvellosity wrote: MZ your characterisation of what I said about you as OMGUS is weak sauce.
There is no curiosity in your posts about my alignment whatsoever.
On May 26 2023 11:11 DarthPunk wrote: So I am going to address the shit where Rayn thinks I am soft blaming him for the lynch on vivax, and I guess I sort of am, (although I also take responsibility for being wrong/bad or whatever makes you feel better) because from my perspective I was very open to being on either wagon at the time.
On May 25 2023 08:29 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:13 Onegu wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:08 marvellosity wrote: Onegu, less blabla, more desperately trying to make yourself useful - I thank you
Love you Marv but you should know that is not likely to happen. I got the message 30 minutes ago that this game started.
Maybe this is helpful
##Vote: Marvellosity
I want marv dead more than anyone in this thread but I don't like this .
I mean like shiiiittt...
Yeah this is bad. lol.
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?
On May 25 2023 08:33 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Hmph....
I fell more strongly about a Vivax lynch. I also think you are looking better recently so that's good. :D
On May 25 2023 08:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?[/QUOTE
On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf?????
I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline.
I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null"
Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one:
On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.
Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast"
Ok I like this post, but it could be argued that I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. could also apply to you.
On May 25 2023 08:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: AND TO BE CLEAR ONEGU IS NOT EVEN MY TOP SCUM READ.
I feel like people aren't reading my posts clearly. I'd still rather lynch Vivax or LS or even Marv like I've been saying for a while. But again, town can play bad, one of my current suspects could flip town, Marv could wow me and turn into the towniest townie who ever town'd and I'd almost immediately slot Onegu into that spot.
I really don’t get how you can think Marv is a good lynch at this point.
Because I was open, and I had a strong town read in the thread with me, I asked rayn several times why I should not be on vivax.
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
On May 25 2023 09:06 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
Ok let me rephrase. Tell me (why) you won’t lynch vivax
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
because things may and will change in hours between the posts.
OK, that is fine.
But that is the reason you gave for not voting him. If there are other reasons since then, could you let me know what they are?
I am also voting Vivax, so if that vote is wrong, hen I would like to know why.
This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia.
Like I was genuinely frustrated that I wasn't given clarity at the time when I was repeatedly trying to get some.
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
VE posts this interpretation
On May 25 2023 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
Because from his perspective it's optimal play, mafia whoever they are are going to try and influence the vote IF his reads are right. Taking his vote out of the manipulable votes reduces mafia's power to affect the outcome IF his reads are right. And he's reinforcing anyone who values his reads that he's not moving his vote so they shouldn't either in the case that I keep trying to lynch Vivax.
Which rayn says is very smart post. So I take that to be the reason that Rayn is giving for not wanting to lynch Vivax. I actually don't like this reason because it prevents me from being able to play the game, if every lynch is already decided by the euros before a lynch, so in my mind I discount it.
On May 25 2023 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Or he's mafia and knows it's a mislynch. Take your pick DP.
I don't think he is mafia. I also am not convinced MZ is town, I'm just trying to understand the thought processes going on.
I am really open to either. I just want some fucking clarity and engagement on the topic. Which I was not provided.
On May 25 2023 10:39 DarthPunk wrote: Day One Vote Count
Trying to figure out where the scum are and the town reads are. ( a major criticisim later) At this point Rayn has left the thread.
I am posting this and then dropping the topic mainly because I want to:
1.) be clear around my thinking at the time of the wagon on vivax forming
2.) clarify that yes, if Rayn had given me any strong reason to vote MZ over Vivax when we were interacting in the thread prior to the lynch I would have done so.
3.) Point out that I don't think it was as clear and obvious as people are making it out to be prior to the lynch, and if it was, then some clear communication about that fact would have changed the outcome.
I am struggling to figure out this is what DP is interested in close to deadline N1?
Like sure. But these are the questions.
1. Why did he hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way 2. Why did he townread TTT when neither of us felt that way 3. How did he at all have too many townreads during N1 I think it was when I had 2
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.
I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident.
I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information.
But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now.
All a bit weak sauce, the whole post.
On May 29 2023 23:33 marvellosity wrote:
Also, please read again the passage of play where I start calling DP mafia. He was not calling me mafia before that. He tells me he knew my scumread on him was coming - he knew he'd misplayed. Tell you what, if I'm town in DP's position there, as far as I'm concerned I've just listened to a very likely townie (rayn) and voted for mafia (VE). I'd be feeling nervous (about the lynch to come) but happy. I wouldn't be feeling guilty - "I knew this read on me was coming". The inherent guilt of being mafia. Then the way he starts calling me mafia - "FWIW I think marv could be mafia". Of course he just happens to wait until I have called him mafia, and then very casually says "FWIW".
None of anything of what DP has done is how a townie thinks. Lynch him with fire
I will not defend myself any further - this is my position. I will take no questions from DP because he is mafia. TTT - if you are just going to take the position that I am mafia spewing bs, fine. But assuming you are town, please go back, read my thoughts here again as if they are legitimately townie, and think about them. If you don't believe me, fine. Lynch me and then come back to this post.
The bolded is really interesting and basically confirms marv is mafia ( i was having small doubts by his emotions when rayn called him out)
But marv should know that this is coming because he was soft pushing me since day one, without calling me mafia, (massive scum tell) and this is actually the source of Confirmed town MZ's mafia read on marv
On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote: It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them.
Well rayn definitely isn’t hiding, so what do you mean?[/QUOTE
On May 23 2023 19:36 die_meatbaby wrote: The mafia talks to the other mafia right? On Discord or somewhere else and this two always answering at the same time here.
If you were mafia, would you post at the same time on this thread if you were discussing the game with your mafia buddies on Discord at the same time?
On May 23 2023 20:18 marvellosity wrote: It has to be the plan to get meatbaby to explain their thoughts wherever possible. If town, will eliminate a lynch that mafia will have pencilled in. If not, great.
Is this a serious point? If so can you expand upon your thinking here?
Of course it’s serious, and it’s self explanatory. Which bit aren’t you getting?
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote: [quote] I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote: [quote] Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote: [quote] How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote: [quote] Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
On May 23 2023 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
If it’s not plausible, then you should be sure?
If it is plausible (which it is) then I’m right.
I am sorry if i am not that good at english. I think there is a possibility Vivax and die_meatballs had such an interaction somewhere before, she thinks Vivax is mafia now without a doubt. I just dont thin it is likely, but still i would like her to explain her stance before i cast my (even first) vote.
Goodio?
It wasn’t quite what I was getting at though. What I meant is I can envisage that a town MB could treat Vivax in this way based on their general relationship outside of this thread.
And she probably is. I don't think the poker thing in her post is a lie for a second. But if and *when* that is NOT a lie, she should be aware (as a gambler/at least gamer) that she can't figure out Vivax as mafia without any reasoning at all. I guess this might change if she GAVE the reasoning, but apparently she is unwilling to, while asked multiple times.
I already explained why I think you and Vivax are mafia. In the first few pages you can see that you too where always answering at the same time and being off at the same time. So I only can think of you too where writing your plans on discord how you can hide. I still not sure who is the 3th mafia member, but we will find out.
So you think me and Vivax were writing our thoughts on the thread at the same time because we were wrting also onb discord on how to hide?
And you after that said you are sure Vivax is mafia, like completely and utterly sure. Why does that not apply to me as per your earlier investigations? And how are you so sure?
You two stopped writing here for the same time, looked like you two where both something doing for the same 10 min and coming back here at the same time. I just preferred to vote Vivax out first because he brought me in this game.
Have you entertained the possibility of coincidence?
Marv the socratic method only works if you actually come up with a conclusion:
It doesn't feel like you're trying to draw out reasoning, it feels like you're just filling space by asking questions and then not really offering interpretations on the answers you get. You've had several people respond to your questions and rather than make meaning of the information that they've given you just continue asking questions. I'm all for asking questions but at some point your posts just start to sound like this:
On May 23 2023 22:10 marvellosity wrote: If I had to answer the question, it’s a lot of text to not say very much or actively silly stuff about killing lurkers. Text for the sake of writing text.
It's really funny to me that you wrote this post because I absolutely hate when people do what you're talking about, I call it Contributing Without Contributing and I consider it a fairly decent scumtell for most players, regardless of how experienced or inexperienced they are. Given the fact that you really haven't come to any real conclusions based on your questions, it's starting to feel as though they're simply a method to create the appearance of activity without having to actually provide concrete reads or say something of substance.
I really wouldn't have a problem with constant questions if you did something with it but you still haven't generated any real reads from it which is a warning sign to me.
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote: [quote] How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.
I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident.
I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information.
But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now.
All a bit weak sauce, the whole post.
This is when I started to suspect Marv, and this is why the post below from marv is not genuine.
On May 23 2023 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv do you think DP is mafia or town atm?
Don’t know
This line of posts bothers me because it feels like you're setting up for a soft push on DarthPunk but you're not willing to actually stand behind it. You constantly undercut your own read, to me that's scummy. Either stand behind your read or don't reveal it until you have more certainty, otherwise it feels like mafia leaving behind little post-it notes to muddle up the thread, you'll be easily positioned to vote DP but you'll never have to accept responsibility if he flips green.
On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend.
I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread.
Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless.
I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention.
Given my activity trying to draw MB out on their reasoning, these 2 don’t mesh so well.
It's funny that you bring up your questioning as a defense because that's exactly what I was expecting to hear when I was first reading the thread. I'll reference back to my earlier point that your activity hasn't been really pro-town and more an attempt to look involved without having to put your neck on the line.
And as to those points not meshing... the discussion was useful because it revealed you as being useless. + Show Spoiler +
useless in the context of the game <3
Rayn's reaction to this case:
On May 28 2023 13:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am a huge fucking clown tbh not to see that... It's probably the best case in the game.
Other reasons marv is Mafia:
Marv is a self proclaimed VE expert, but rayn says this about Marv on VE:
On May 28 2023 11:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am a sucker for some things he says, it was quite hard to convince him on VE while it would be easy to see for him. All the reasons. We will see.
On May 28 2023 13:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both of you have a huge problem to lay your vote on VE, when it's not that hard of a vote.
On May 28 2023 11:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: very early but koshi can come back to this..
1. Why did he (DP) hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way
marv wrote that. Why is DP, but not VE suspect of this?
On May 28 2023 12:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh right why doesn't marv feel like Slam is mafia when he voted "against" him D1? Like all Slam did was to praise marv and then voted for Vivax, i would expect marv would be annoyed at that shit but instead he calls Slam town.
On May 27 2023 10:41 marvellosity wrote: Slam, Chez, Onegu, LS etc are all doing a good job of appearing town are they? Really????
LS is DP's top mafia read, why is he here?
On May 28 2023 12:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv thinks and was one of the first to think Slam is town, why can't DP think Slam is town?
On May 28 2023 12:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is VE suspicious to some extent but never TOO suspicious, it was not hard to pick up the right things? Why is DP more suspicious than VE? I know on paper i would also say DP is suspicious but everything is not on paper, like the Koshi thingy, blaming me on his vote shit that's next level if mafia...
On May 28 2023 12:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ugh.. why is it so bad for DP to hop on VE "too fast"? marv agreed on the same case VE did.
On May 28 2023 07:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you still think DP and LS could be teammates marv?
In all honesty I haven’t concentrated on LS related stuff today. Are there reasons beyond your (possibly valid) one yesterday you talked to me about?
Do you know whats fucking weird. Why does he notthink about LS. When I have been posting about him for days, surely if he was suspicious of me, he would have thought about LS because I have been trying to get him lynched.
On May 28 2023 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
agreed
On May 28 2023 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i think that's the kicker
On May 28 2023 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i think that's the kicker
the LS thing
On May 29 2023 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DP and marv.. Ugh... Like every time i am in the thread with marv we're seeing things pretty similarly. That's usually town tell. I consider myself a decent player and if another decent player agrees with me then we're usually doing right things, and even if he is mafia we're still doing right things. That is early on. Lately there have been things that bug me. All the questions i asked yesterday i think are worth asking. I am not completely sure they make him look mafia but they are still worth asking. Maybe the biggest thing is i don't get how he can feel so strongly about DP being mafia, even before VE flip. It doesn't make sense to me, nor does the AFTER flip reaction when i have just kinda lead a lynch on mafia VE:
On May 28 2023 14:19 marvellosity wrote: Great result with VE.
If rayn is thinking about pushing me now maybe i am wrong about DP and I have been mega duped by rayn. Maybe that’s why Koshi died N1.
Because I look at the number of posts rayn hard-reads me as town and now this? I don’t understand it.
Like.... rayn leads a lynch on mafia VE, DP is big suspect for marv, suddenly after flip i am mafia just because i have doubts about him as i clearly can't figure out all mafia as Onegu also flips. It's just... idk, maybe he is just a bit butthurt i am calling him mafia, i really don't know because it doesn't look natural. Another thing is i think DP was way more natural to flip his read on VE. To me that felt like "i thought he was town but shiiiitt.. this is good you nailed it dude!", which is really natural when i read an ACTUAL good case.
I also know marv has had doubts on VE a long time, but never really acted on them. I don't think there was a lot of time left when i made my case on VE, i DO have a feeling marv SHOULD see those things before, and acted on them. Hell he wrote good stuff like "VE lynches Vivax because D1 is the only day when he can lynch town Vivax", really good shit. But not realising VE is mafia earlier when all the evidence is there? Weird.
And just in case you are swayed by marvs appeals to emotion, you need to hold firm.
On May 28 2023 13:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both of you have a huge problem to lay your vote on VE, when it's not that hard of a vote.
Yeah i'm dumb. But at least you can read why I thought what I thought, [...]
see my problem is, as it is with most of those pbp analysis posts. you can always make out a lot of posts that seem townie from a person who posts a lot. it is the little things that make them mafia. 10 townie things do not make 1 scummy thing -> town. otherwise i would always read marv town in this game for instance.
On May 25 2023 08:59 VisceraEyes wrote: So I know why /I/ think marv is town.
But honestly I don't know why anyone else does. Is that weird? That's weird isn't it?
On May 28 2023 12:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry marv but the more i look at this it looks more disgusting...........
On May 30 2023 04:56 DarthPunk wrote: If you are town you need to read this post carefully
On May 28 2023 11:21 DarthPunk wrote: By the way Rayn. Rember that podcast that we laughed about Marv not calling people mafia but smelly and stinky and shit.
He has done that exact thing with me this game. And actually played very similarly.
And I think Marv would be motivated to try hard with ve on his team.
So I’m pretty sure he is mafia and have thought that for a bit.
This actually happened, Marv when he played as active mafia back in the day, had a couple of tells.
1.) he soft pushed people while not outright calling them mafia, and instead stinky/smelly
2.) he gave up quickly under pressure.
Im going to address the first one here.
On May 25 2023 03:01 marvellosity wrote: MZ your characterisation of what I said about you as OMGUS is weak sauce.
There is no curiosity in your posts about my alignment whatsoever.
On May 27 2023 10:38 marvellosity wrote:
On May 27 2023 10:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 26 2023 11:11 DarthPunk wrote: So I am going to address the shit where Rayn thinks I am soft blaming him for the lynch on vivax, and I guess I sort of am, (although I also take responsibility for being wrong/bad or whatever makes you feel better) because from my perspective I was very open to being on either wagon at the time.
On May 25 2023 08:29 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:13 Onegu wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:08 marvellosity wrote: Onegu, less blabla, more desperately trying to make yourself useful - I thank you
Love you Marv but you should know that is not likely to happen. I got the message 30 minutes ago that this game started.
Maybe this is helpful
##Vote: Marvellosity
I want marv dead more than anyone in this thread but I don't like this .
I mean like shiiiittt...
Yeah this is bad. lol.
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?
On May 25 2023 08:33 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Hmph....
I fell more strongly about a Vivax lynch. I also think you are looking better recently so that's good. :D
On May 25 2023 08:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?[/QUOTE
On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf?????
I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline.
I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null"
Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one:
On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.
Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast"
Ok I like this post, but it could be argued that I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. could also apply to you.
On May 25 2023 08:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: AND TO BE CLEAR ONEGU IS NOT EVEN MY TOP SCUM READ.
I feel like people aren't reading my posts clearly. I'd still rather lynch Vivax or LS or even Marv like I've been saying for a while. But again, town can play bad, one of my current suspects could flip town, Marv could wow me and turn into the towniest townie who ever town'd and I'd almost immediately slot Onegu into that spot.
I really don’t get how you can think Marv is a good lynch at this point.
Because I was open, and I had a strong town read in the thread with me, I asked rayn several times why I should not be on vivax.
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
On May 25 2023 09:06 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
Ok let me rephrase. Tell me (why) you won’t lynch vivax
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote: [quote] Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
because things may and will change in hours between the posts.
OK, that is fine.
But that is the reason you gave for not voting him. If there are other reasons since then, could you let me know what they are?
I am also voting Vivax, so if that vote is wrong, hen I would like to know why.
This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia.
Like I was genuinely frustrated that I wasn't given clarity at the time when I was repeatedly trying to get some.
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
VE posts this interpretation
On May 25 2023 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
Because from his perspective it's optimal play, mafia whoever they are are going to try and influence the vote IF his reads are right. Taking his vote out of the manipulable votes reduces mafia's power to affect the outcome IF his reads are right. And he's reinforcing anyone who values his reads that he's not moving his vote so they shouldn't either in the case that I keep trying to lynch Vivax.
Which rayn says is very smart post. So I take that to be the reason that Rayn is giving for not wanting to lynch Vivax. I actually don't like this reason because it prevents me from being able to play the game, if every lynch is already decided by the euros before a lynch, so in my mind I discount it.
On May 25 2023 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Or he's mafia and knows it's a mislynch. Take your pick DP.
I don't think he is mafia. I also am not convinced MZ is town, I'm just trying to understand the thought processes going on.
I am really open to either. I just want some fucking clarity and engagement on the topic. Which I was not provided.
On May 25 2023 10:39 DarthPunk wrote: Day One Vote Count
Trying to figure out where the scum are and the town reads are. ( a major criticisim later) At this point Rayn has left the thread.
I am posting this and then dropping the topic mainly because I want to:
1.) be clear around my thinking at the time of the wagon on vivax forming
2.) clarify that yes, if Rayn had given me any strong reason to vote MZ over Vivax when we were interacting in the thread prior to the lynch I would have done so.
3.) Point out that I don't think it was as clear and obvious as people are making it out to be prior to the lynch, and if it was, then some clear communication about that fact would have changed the outcome.
I am struggling to figure out this is what DP is interested in close to deadline N1?
Like sure. But these are the questions.
1. Why did he hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way 2. Why did he townread TTT when neither of us felt that way 3. How did he at all have too many townreads during N1 I think it was when I had 2
It stinks to me
On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
On May 23 2023 21:59 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:49 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:47 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.
I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident.
I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information.
But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now.
All a bit weak sauce, the whole post.
On May 29 2023 23:33 marvellosity wrote:
Also, please read again the passage of play where I start calling DP mafia. He was not calling me mafia before that. He tells me he knew my scumread on him was coming - he knew he'd misplayed. Tell you what, if I'm town in DP's position there, as far as I'm concerned I've just listened to a very likely townie (rayn) and voted for mafia (VE). I'd be feeling nervous (about the lynch to come) but happy. I wouldn't be feeling guilty - "I knew this read on me was coming". The inherent guilt of being mafia. Then the way he starts calling me mafia - "FWIW I think marv could be mafia". Of course he just happens to wait until I have called him mafia, and then very casually says "FWIW".
None of anything of what DP has done is how a townie thinks. Lynch him with fire
I will not defend myself any further - this is my position. I will take no questions from DP because he is mafia. TTT - if you are just going to take the position that I am mafia spewing bs, fine. But assuming you are town, please go back, read my thoughts here again as if they are legitimately townie, and think about them. If you don't believe me, fine. Lynch me and then come back to this post.
The bolded is really interesting and basically confirms marv is mafia ( i was having small doubts by his emotions when rayn called him out)
But marv should know that this is coming because he was soft pushing me since day one, without calling me mafia, (massive scum tell) and this is actually the source of Confirmed town MZ's mafia read on marv
On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote: It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them.
Well rayn definitely isn’t hiding, so what do you mean?[/QUOTE
On May 23 2023 19:36 die_meatbaby wrote: The mafia talks to the other mafia right? On Discord or somewhere else and this two always answering at the same time here.
If you were mafia, would you post at the same time on this thread if you were discussing the game with your mafia buddies on Discord at the same time?
On May 23 2023 20:18 marvellosity wrote: It has to be the plan to get meatbaby to explain their thoughts wherever possible. If town, will eliminate a lynch that mafia will have pencilled in. If not, great.
Is this a serious point? If so can you expand upon your thinking here?
Of course it’s serious, and it’s self explanatory. Which bit aren’t you getting?
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote: [quote] I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote: [quote] Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote: [quote] How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote: [quote] Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
On May 23 2023 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
If it’s not plausible, then you should be sure?
If it is plausible (which it is) then I’m right.
I am sorry if i am not that good at english. I think there is a possibility Vivax and die_meatballs had such an interaction somewhere before, she thinks Vivax is mafia now without a doubt. I just dont thin it is likely, but still i would like her to explain her stance before i cast my (even first) vote.
Goodio?
It wasn’t quite what I was getting at though. What I meant is I can envisage that a town MB could treat Vivax in this way based on their general relationship outside of this thread.
And she probably is. I don't think the poker thing in her post is a lie for a second. But if and *when* that is NOT a lie, she should be aware (as a gambler/at least gamer) that she can't figure out Vivax as mafia without any reasoning at all. I guess this might change if she GAVE the reasoning, but apparently she is unwilling to, while asked multiple times.
I already explained why I think you and Vivax are mafia. In the first few pages you can see that you too where always answering at the same time and being off at the same time. So I only can think of you too where writing your plans on discord how you can hide. I still not sure who is the 3th mafia member, but we will find out.
So you think me and Vivax were writing our thoughts on the thread at the same time because we were wrting also onb discord on how to hide?
And you after that said you are sure Vivax is mafia, like completely and utterly sure. Why does that not apply to me as per your earlier investigations? And how are you so sure?
You two stopped writing here for the same time, looked like you two where both something doing for the same 10 min and coming back here at the same time. I just preferred to vote Vivax out first because he brought me in this game.
Have you entertained the possibility of coincidence?
Marv the socratic method only works if you actually come up with a conclusion:
It doesn't feel like you're trying to draw out reasoning, it feels like you're just filling space by asking questions and then not really offering interpretations on the answers you get. You've had several people respond to your questions and rather than make meaning of the information that they've given you just continue asking questions. I'm all for asking questions but at some point your posts just start to sound like this:
On May 23 2023 22:10 marvellosity wrote: If I had to answer the question, it’s a lot of text to not say very much or actively silly stuff about killing lurkers. Text for the sake of writing text.
It's really funny to me that you wrote this post because I absolutely hate when people do what you're talking about, I call it Contributing Without Contributing and I consider it a fairly decent scumtell for most players, regardless of how experienced or inexperienced they are. Given the fact that you really haven't come to any real conclusions based on your questions, it's starting to feel as though they're simply a method to create the appearance of activity without having to actually provide concrete reads or say something of substance.
I really wouldn't have a problem with constant questions if you did something with it but you still haven't generated any real reads from it which is a warning sign to me.
On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote: [quote] I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
On May 23 2023 21:59 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:49 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:47 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote: [quote] If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.
I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident.
I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information.
But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now.
All a bit weak sauce, the whole post.
This is when I started to suspect Marv, and this is why the post below from marv is not genuine.
On May 23 2023 22:39 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv do you think DP is mafia or town atm?
Don’t know
This line of posts bothers me because it feels like you're setting up for a soft push on DarthPunk but you're not willing to actually stand behind it. You constantly undercut your own read, to me that's scummy. Either stand behind your read or don't reveal it until you have more certainty, otherwise it feels like mafia leaving behind little post-it notes to muddle up the thread, you'll be easily positioned to vote DP but you'll never have to accept responsibility if he flips green.
On May 24 2023 02:31 marvellosity wrote:
On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend.
I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread.
Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless.
I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention.
Given my activity trying to draw MB out on their reasoning, these 2 don’t mesh so well.
It's funny that you bring up your questioning as a defense because that's exactly what I was expecting to hear when I was first reading the thread. I'll reference back to my earlier point that your activity hasn't been really pro-town and more an attempt to look involved without having to put your neck on the line.
And as to those points not meshing... the discussion was useful because it revealed you as being useless. + Show Spoiler +
useless in the context of the game <3
Rayn's reaction to this case:
On May 28 2023 13:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am a huge fucking clown tbh not to see that... It's probably the best case in the game.
Other reasons marv is Mafia:
Marv is a self proclaimed VE expert, but rayn says this about Marv on VE:
On May 28 2023 11:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am a sucker for some things he says, it was quite hard to convince him on VE while it would be easy to see for him. All the reasons. We will see.
On May 28 2023 13:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both of you have a huge problem to lay your vote on VE, when it's not that hard of a vote.
On May 28 2023 11:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: very early but koshi can come back to this..
On May 23 2023 20:02 Koshi wrote: Damn. I am already thinking marv is mafia. This might become a problem.
On May 23 2023 20:42 Koshi wrote: Lynch marv and mebaby
just a note to self.
And then there are the following questions:
On May 28 2023 12:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1. Why did he (DP) hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way
marv wrote that. Why is DP, but not VE suspect of this?
On May 28 2023 12:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh right why doesn't marv feel like Slam is mafia when he voted "against" him D1? Like all Slam did was to praise marv and then voted for Vivax, i would expect marv would be annoyed at that shit but instead he calls Slam town.
On May 28 2023 12:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 27 2023 10:41 marvellosity wrote: Slam, Chez, Onegu, LS etc are all doing a good job of appearing town are they? Really????
LS is DP's top mafia read, why is he here?
On May 28 2023 12:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv thinks and was one of the first to think Slam is town, why can't DP think Slam is town?
On May 28 2023 12:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is VE suspicious to some extent but never TOO suspicious, it was not hard to pick up the right things? Why is DP more suspicious than VE? I know on paper i would also say DP is suspicious but everything is not on paper, like the Koshi thingy, blaming me on his vote shit that's next level if mafia...
On May 28 2023 12:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ugh.. why is it so bad for DP to hop on VE "too fast"? marv agreed on the same case VE did.
On May 28 2023 13:23 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 28 2023 13:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like marv does this really fucking long pronged shit on DP that goes nowhere. DP has the same on VE.
All those on different wagons D1, none of them cares about each other for that to case.
What else does he have.
On May 28 2023 07:38 marvellosity wrote:
On May 28 2023 07:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you still think DP and LS could be teammates marv?
In all honesty I haven’t concentrated on LS related stuff today. Are there reasons beyond your (possibly valid) one yesterday you talked to me about?
Do you know whats fucking weird. Why does he notthink about LS. When I have been posting about him for days, surely if he was suspicious of me, he would have thought about LS because I have been trying to get him lynched.
On May 28 2023 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
agreed
On May 28 2023 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i think that's the kicker
On May 28 2023 13:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 28 2023 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i think that's the kicker
the LS thing
On May 29 2023 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DP and marv.. Ugh... Like every time i am in the thread with marv we're seeing things pretty similarly. That's usually town tell. I consider myself a decent player and if another decent player agrees with me then we're usually doing right things, and even if he is mafia we're still doing right things. That is early on. Lately there have been things that bug me. All the questions i asked yesterday i think are worth asking. I am not completely sure they make him look mafia but they are still worth asking. Maybe the biggest thing is i don't get how he can feel so strongly about DP being mafia, even before VE flip. It doesn't make sense to me, nor does the AFTER flip reaction when i have just kinda lead a lynch on mafia VE:
On May 28 2023 14:19 marvellosity wrote: Great result with VE.
If rayn is thinking about pushing me now maybe i am wrong about DP and I have been mega duped by rayn. Maybe that’s why Koshi died N1.
Because I look at the number of posts rayn hard-reads me as town and now this? I don’t understand it.
Like.... rayn leads a lynch on mafia VE, DP is big suspect for marv, suddenly after flip i am mafia just because i have doubts about him as i clearly can't figure out all mafia as Onegu also flips. It's just... idk, maybe he is just a bit butthurt i am calling him mafia, i really don't know because it doesn't look natural. Another thing is i think DP was way more natural to flip his read on VE. To me that felt like "i thought he was town but shiiiitt.. this is good you nailed it dude!", which is really natural when i read an ACTUAL good case.
I also know marv has had doubts on VE a long time, but never really acted on them. I don't think there was a lot of time left when i made my case on VE, i DO have a feeling marv SHOULD see those things before, and acted on them. Hell he wrote good stuff like "VE lynches Vivax because D1 is the only day when he can lynch town Vivax", really good shit. But not realising VE is mafia earlier when all the evidence is there? Weird.
And just in case you are swayed by marvs appeals to emotion, you need to hold firm.
On May 28 2023 13:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 28 2023 13:21 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 28 2023 13:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both of you have a huge problem to lay your vote on VE, when it's not that hard of a vote.
Yeah i'm dumb. But at least you can read why I thought what I thought, [...]
see my problem is, as it is with most of those pbp analysis posts. you can always make out a lot of posts that seem townie from a person who posts a lot. it is the little things that make them mafia. 10 townie things do not make 1 scummy thing -> town. otherwise i would always read marv town in this game for instance.
On May 25 2023 08:59 VisceraEyes wrote: So I know why /I/ think marv is town.
But honestly I don't know why anyone else does. Is that weird? That's weird isn't it?
On May 28 2023 12:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry marv but the more i look at this it looks more disgusting...........
1. Why did he (DP) hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way
##Unvote Marv
I am really switching between you and marv. I have to Filter you again. I will make a more accurate post later.
Yeah I get it, its hard, just really think about what rayn is saying in that post.
On May 30 2023 06:50 Chezinu wrote: Guess this will focus us to kill DP next if Marv flips town.
He won't flip town. Ask yourself if I am mafia? why would I be suicidal trying to get marv mislynched? And not just lynching LS? What about my thought patterns and actions makes sense unless I am town and truly believe marv is mafia?
On May 30 2023 06:50 Chezinu wrote: Guess this will focus us to kill DP next if Marv flips town.
He won't flip town. Ask yourself if I am mafia? why would I be suicidal trying to get marv mislynched? And not just lynching LS? What about my thought patterns and actions makes sense unless I am town and truly believe marv is mafia?
On May 30 2023 08:47 TankTopTiger wrote: How long from this post until lynch?
I've got to go work, I've read the thread up until now. I will be spending tonight on the game if there is still time.
Marv, I plan on putting effort into evaluating your claims. I need to verify the things people say about your tells, and how they're represented in this thread. I also need to look at your case on MZ in more detail to see whether your push on them was warranted as you say.
On May 30 2023 08:58 TankTopTiger wrote: @DP and Marv Does it make sense for a cop to come forward now if we have one? I want to say yes but I don't have experience in this area.
Depends if he has anything to add or he has checks.
If they are not at risk and have no relevant checks then no. There is also potential godfather in the game so clearing people at this point is marginal potentially
On May 30 2023 08:56 TankTopTiger wrote: @Town I think this lynch is basically for the game. If somehow our next lynch is town, then it's going to be 3 town to 2 scum left, and we will have lost one of our stronger players. If the next lynch is scum, it'll be four town to one scummer, and they will have (presumably) lost their best player.
So I think this lynch is the most important one thus far. Maximum effort please.
This is correct but your not account for nightkill so we will lose another strong townie or correct townie or a townie that could become correct.
It gets really bad which is why I thought we need to lynch Marv first while maf have a bit less influence.
Than the obvious ls lynch after that.
If you lynch me, when I flip town you need to lynch Marv and ls and all townies need to do this
And Marv is really convincing so he could easily mindfuck one of them into voting idk like chez or meat baby or something.
On May 30 2023 10:08 TankTopTiger wrote: Err... Pretty sure I accounted for that?
@Town I think this lynch is basically for the game. If somehow our next lynch is town, then it's going to be 3 town to 2 scum left, and we will have lost one of our stronger players. If the next lynch is scum, it'll be four town to one scummer, and they will have (presumably) lost their best player.
So I think this lynch is the most important one thus far. Maximum effort please.
Oh I thought you were talking about me and Marv being stronger players.
On May 30 2023 11:21 Alakaslam wrote: @TTT I believe the effort is incumbent on those who have the authority/reputation such that they are the only two up for lynch... but I will read what I can
Ask me anything you want I will answer. I have clearly laid out a large amount of issues with Marv. I have been active and productive this game. I have a 25 page filter. Feel free to read it.
On May 30 2023 11:30 TankTopTiger wrote: Errr... If you think that then Marv is probably just going to die because he's given up.
I mean... I'm not opposed to that since he's who I'm trying to get lynched, but if you care about actually playing the game and trying to do your best to win, now is the time to do that. I want you, DMB, LightningStrike, and Chezinu, to all do your best to be informed voters for this one. It's going to decide the game.
Marv giving up as scum is why he has a rep for not being great scum player btw.
Ask yourself this? Do you really think mafia dp could outpost town marvellosity by 7 pages on day 3, town Marv could find exactly zero mafia and then the only thing that town Marv would have found in 25 pages of scum dp is that I had too many town reads and I was too fast to change my mind based on evidence and vote for mafia?
There is nothing else in 25 pages if I am mafia. Bearing in mind I haven’t played the game in 7 years.
On May 30 2023 11:37 DarthPunk wrote: Ask yourself this? Do you really think mafia dp could outpost town marvellosity by 7 pages on day 3, town Marv could find exactly zero mafia and then the only thing that town Marv would have found in 25 pages of scum dp is that I had too many town reads and I was too fast to change my mind based on evidence and vote for mafia?
There is nothing else in 25 pages if I am mafia. Bearing in mind I haven’t played the game in 7 years.
On May 30 2023 12:18 TankTopTiger wrote: This looks extremely sus to me. I haven't been paying attention to your and DP's conversation, so this might have already been covered, but if you can't or haven't explained this then you are the deepest red possible for me. I cannot envision a world in which you are aware of his meta, base your reads on him on that meta, then don't change your mind when you see him fold.
Fucking Gottem.
The question is though, why is LS not voting for Marv in this spot if he is Mafia.
On May 30 2023 06:50 Chezinu wrote: Guess this will focus us to kill DP next if Marv flips town.
He won't flip town. Ask yourself if I am mafia? why would I be suicidal trying to get marv mislynched? And not just lynching LS? What about my thought patterns and actions makes sense unless I am town and truly believe marv is mafia?
Don’t know where DP’s post is, but I’m answering that and not meatbaby. The reason a mafia “suicidally” tries to lynch marv is that means it’s lylo where town has to lynch correctly twice to win. That’s a good setup for mafia. As you tried to argue against me, anyone could be the target to get one of those mislynches.
Even more plausibly for mafia DP as he has not cleared anyone as town like town-marv has.
I literally just read a post in really small 2 where you say town can turn the whole game around in LYLO.
On May 30 2023 16:51 TankTopTiger wrote: If he suicides to get the lynch, then it's not really needing two correct lynches in a row to win, as him dying is implied.
It is, but town still needs to get it right twice, even if 1 of them seems obvious.
What I’m saying is if mafia-DP sees town-marv coming at him full pelt, a 1 for 1 swap for lynches there is a pretty decent result. See what I mean?
Because to reiterate, I came for DP before he came for me….
Not many (any?) manage to pull off a 1 for 1 swap with me.
You weren’t coming at me full pelt though until I voted for you. You were hedging even night 2. And soft pushing since day 1.
On May 30 2023 14:35 Alakaslam wrote: Like, Chezinu is a rare high IQ gentleman troll.
I am a common upper normal IQ asshole in that BMW that just cut you off in his aviators trust fund baby troll.
Holyflare was like that lawyer who was always across the bench from you.
Raynpelikoneer is like the guy who is really chill and cool until you look at him funny and then you find him everywhere asking how exactly you hold this nonsense logic? Do you really call it logic? Really? Come on. What do you actually believe, scum? When actually you got lazy and fucked up
Koshi is like Rayn but from Belgium, not Finland, so the cigarettes have been replaced with coffee and so he is posting like 10x more
Contrast this with Ver, Ace, Foolishness, Hapahauli (my birthdate twin, btw he is like 3 hours older than I am) Igrok, Conversion, Chezinu it is easy to see how the environment was... less great.
What was I slam i am sad to be left out of the analysis? ( although I only played around 30 games)
On May 23 2023 19:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi I'm here. Being able to read the whole thread in one sitting is...novel.
What's in here is all right. I'm a little weirded out by DP wanting to lynch marv right away, it's inherently unhelpful as A) marv hasn't historically been moved by pressure, especially on D1, and B) has marv like ever been lynched on D1? Like, idk I haven't played in a decade but as I recall he has vet shielding as someone who can solve the game later. Is that the joke? Was DP literally just being funny? Meh.
I'm suspicious of DP. Also thanks DP for inviting me to play. <3
Sounds a bit sensible for my liking
Care to elaborate why though? I don't agree with a lot in the content of the post but i have a similar conclusion about DP's alignment atm. I would rather call him mafia (as i would you as well), than town.
It’s difficult not to latch on to very old meta feelings when I have nothing else to go on. I have always felt VE sounds inherently more reasonable near the start of the game as mafia.
It may also be that I just like teasing VE.
In hindsight this looks ready to bus. Or else, quite the God read.
Rayn hated both Marv and DP. Would be great to find today was a maf/maf wagon all along
Yeah ready to bus is right but from my perspective as town it comes across as ready to set up a mislynch.
On May 23 2023 19:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi I'm here. Being able to read the whole thread in one sitting is...novel.
What's in here is all right. I'm a little weirded out by DP wanting to lynch marv right away, it's inherently unhelpful as A) marv hasn't historically been moved by pressure, especially on D1, and B) has marv like ever been lynched on D1? Like, idk I haven't played in a decade but as I recall he has vet shielding as someone who can solve the game later. Is that the joke? Was DP literally just being funny? Meh.
I'm suspicious of DP. Also thanks DP for inviting me to play. <3
Sounds a bit sensible for my liking
Care to elaborate why though? I don't agree with a lot in the content of the post but i have a similar conclusion about DP's alignment atm. I would rather call him mafia (as i would you as well), than town.
It’s difficult not to latch on to very old meta feelings when I have nothing else to go on. I have always felt VE sounds inherently more reasonable near the start of the game as mafia.
It may also be that I just like teasing VE.
In hindsight this looks ready to bus. Or else, quite the God read.
Rayn hated both Marv and DP. Would be great to find today was a maf/maf wagon all along
Yeah ready to bus is right but from my perspective as town it comes across as ready to set up a mislynch.
I’m sus on dp.
How sensible ve but it’s a bit too sensible so when we flip dp I can get some distance cause it wasn’t really my fault.
On May 30 2023 16:51 TankTopTiger wrote: If he suicides to get the lynch, then it's not really needing two correct lynches in a row to win, as him dying is implied.
It is, but town still needs to get it right twice, even if 1 of them seems obvious.
What I’m saying is if mafia-DP sees town-marv coming at him full pelt, a 1 for 1 swap for lynches there is a pretty decent result. See what I mean?
Why not nk you and use my thread presence to not Insta die?
On May 30 2023 16:51 TankTopTiger wrote: If he suicides to get the lynch, then it's not really needing two correct lynches in a row to win, as him dying is implied.
It is, but town still needs to get it right twice, even if 1 of them seems obvious.
What I’m saying is if mafia-DP sees town-marv coming at him full pelt, a 1 for 1 swap for lynches there is a pretty decent result. See what I mean?
Because to reiterate, I came for DP before he came for me….
Not many (any?) manage to pull off a 1 for 1 swap with me.
You weren’t coming at me full pelt though until I voted for you. You were hedging even night 2. And soft pushing since day 1.
Looking forward to putting together these quotes later
Ok. Like you are so obviously not town Marv at this point it’s crazy. But I will say it’s great to see you return to actually try harding as mafia
On May 30 2023 16:51 TankTopTiger wrote: If he suicides to get the lynch, then it's not really needing two correct lynches in a row to win, as him dying is implied.
It is, but town still needs to get it right twice, even if 1 of them seems obvious.
What I’m saying is if mafia-DP sees town-marv coming at him full pelt, a 1 for 1 swap for lynches there is a pretty decent result. See what I mean?
Why not nk you and use my thread presence to not Insta die?
Because then you’d have to deal with rayn who just saw me flip town
I mean after I lynch ls today. Which btw would have totally happened if I didn’t have to deal with you via a lynch. You know, cause I’m town.
On May 31 2023 05:56 DarthPunk wrote: Marv if we are both town, first of all we are bad, but who is the scum team?
This is a genuine question I’m not trying to tunnel you here no matter the answer.
Cause I also know I am town, and am using poe to end up on you and ls as the scum team.
So who is it if I am town and you are??
I really don’t know. I’m 100% it’s not DMB. Slam and Chez you literally can never be too sure either way. But I haven’t spent the time I needed on any of TTT, Chez, Slam because I’ve been so sure on you.
If you are town this is going to be a difficult thing to get your head around, do we call a truce today and lynch LS? I have bed relatively soon so I kinda need to decide what I’m doing.
And I know I know I know asking someone who I’m apparently hard mafia reading if they want a truce is nuts. But LS is just mafia here.
The problem is that I know I am town, and after the nk you are just going to get me lynched somehow. The only thing is that I am ope. To the fact that ego, paranoia, and different approaches are resulting I. Town on town violence. Like I do Think you could pull this off as maf, But maybe that is ok, cause I think meat can solve the game off I flip she seems very sharp. But if you flip green game is lost cause I’ll be next imo.
On May 31 2023 05:43 die_meatbaby wrote: Was somebody thinking what if DP and marv both flips to town? Chez and Slam are just not really posting here. Less posts less suspect. Right now it seems like marv get voted out (could be mafia but let us see him as town) Marv flips town, 6 Players left 4 town 2 mafia chez, ttt , LS, Slam, DP and me. then there comes the night. They kill another town. 5 players left 3 town 2 mafia. we will of course all vote on dp. Like everybody all of us. Dp flips as town as well. 2 town 2 mafia Next night they kill another town player 1 town left 2 mafia We lose. This non aktiv players get the win.
On May 31 2023 05:56 DarthPunk wrote: Marv if we are both town, first of all we are bad, but who is the scum team?
This is a genuine question I’m not trying to tunnel you here no matter the answer.
Cause I also know I am town, and am using poe to end up on you and ls as the scum team.
So who is it if I am town and you are??
I really don’t know. I’m 100% it’s not DMB. Slam and Chez you literally can never be too sure either way. But I haven’t spent the time I needed on any of TTT, Chez, Slam because I’ve been so sure on you.
If you are town this is going to be a difficult thing to get your head around, do we call a truce today and lynch LS? I have bed relatively soon so I kinda need to decide what I’m doing.
And I know I know I know asking someone who I’m apparently hard mafia reading if they want a truce is nuts. But LS is just mafia here.
The problem is that I know I am town, and after the nk you are just going to get me lynched somehow. The only thing is that I am ope. To the fact that ego, paranoia, and different approaches are resulting I. Town on town violence. Like I do Think you could pull this off as maf, But maybe that is ok, cause I think meat can solve the game off I flip she seems very sharp. But if you flip green game is lost cause I’ll be next imo.
You literally have too much respect for me if you think I can make the posts I’ve made today as mafia.
Do you want to lynch mafia LS or not?
Yeah I know, I don’t know if you could do this as maf maybe you could I. 2013? that’s why I’m down to lynch ls I guess. And figure the rest out the next night.
On May 31 2023 05:56 DarthPunk wrote: Marv if we are both town, first of all we are bad, but who is the scum team?
This is a genuine question I’m not trying to tunnel you here no matter the answer.
Cause I also know I am town, and am using poe to end up on you and ls as the scum team.
So who is it if I am town and you are??
I really don’t know. I’m 100% it’s not DMB. Slam and Chez you literally can never be too sure either way. But I haven’t spent the time I needed on any of TTT, Chez, Slam because I’ve been so sure on you.
If you are town this is going to be a difficult thing to get your head around, do we call a truce today and lynch LS? I have bed relatively soon so I kinda need to decide what I’m doing.
And I know I know I know asking someone who I’m apparently hard mafia reading if they want a truce is nuts. But LS is just mafia here.
The problem is that I know I am town, and after the nk you are just going to get me lynched somehow. The only thing is that I am ope. To the fact that ego, paranoia, and different approaches are resulting I. Town on town violence. Like I do Think you could pull this off as maf, But maybe that is ok, cause I think meat can solve the game off I flip she seems very sharp. But if you flip green game is lost cause I’ll be next imo.
You literally have too much respect for me if you think I can make the posts I’ve made today as mafia.
Do you want to lynch mafia LS or not?
Yeah I know, I don’t know if you could do this as maf maybe you could I. 2013? that’s why I’m down to lynch ls I guess. And figure the rest out the next night.
##unvote: vote ls
I know I’m asking you to do work here, but go back and read a couple of my games in my scum ‘hay day’ when I won almost every mafia game I played. If you genuinely think the tone and content is the same, I will be extremely surprised. Because I can’t fake this sincerity.
I genuinely can’t promise I won’t still want to lynch you. And maybe you will still want to lynch me too. But if we are town, lynching LS is strictly the right play here.
unvote and vote: LS
If you think I would do this as mafia then you are also giving me too much credit.
On May 31 2023 06:28 marvellosity wrote: If you’re town this will be one of the greatest turnarounds of a day ever, assuming we get the LS lynch
I think we will I will get it over the line and then we will see what the night brings. I’m going to feel very stupid if you are maf but I’m not sure you turn this around like you have as maf.
On May 31 2023 06:42 marvellosity wrote: DP, assuming we lynch LS here, we need to get everyone who isn’t here right now to actually commit to a god damn read and not just watch us do it.
Yeah I know. We should work together the next night and then see what the day brings.
On May 31 2023 07:33 LightningStrike wrote: Will make this easier for town since I do townread Marv and he is a better player than me. ##Unvote ##Vote: LightningStrike
holy shit on toast. what the f...? def didn´t see this coming. Don´t know what to think about it.
On May 31 2023 07:33 LightningStrike wrote: Will make this easier for town since I do townread Marv and he is a better player than me. ##Unvote ##Vote: LightningStrike
holy shit on toast. what the f...? def didn´t see this coming. Don´t know what to think about it.
Like read it, if he is town how is him dying making it easier on town?
On May 31 2023 08:40 TankTopTiger wrote: @town If I had asked you what you would expect Marv's contribution to be by the end of D3, would you have said "He will have a very strong town read on a player who people already think is town?". Is this a legendary town player to you?
Compare to DP (who is currently being retarded but nevermind) + DP freed up three townies N1 by resolving a conflict smoothly. Not just confirming and reconfirming a townie, but actually generating townie actions. Rayn and I being freed up D2 allowed the lynch on VE to happen, as we were crucial in getting that train going. + DP built the foundations for the case on LS. While my case was a different line to DP's, it was built on the conversation that he pursued on his read. The case on LS doesn't exist without DP.
All a red DP had to do to win was talk about literally anything other than what he did.
Marv keeps talking about how town he is for... coming back after having given up... But he did give up and that's his tell! Just because he limps back in after realising just how badly he fucked up does not make him town. Legendary Town Marv does not give up to begin with. And what has Marv actually done?
Lets see if he can catch scum tonight, that will be telling.
On May 31 2023 11:09 DarthPunk wrote: Chez.are you actually trying to credit here? Why do you care?
Cause you be acting like mafia all the time. You kill me tonight and you die!!!
So you are trying to take credit (falsely) for lynching mafia, because you think I am mafia?
That's exactly what a DP Mafia would say, eh??
Lololol
Here is the problem: I have seen you troll before and I think that generally your trolling is disconnected from the game. Like you truly don't give a fuck. But here your trolling is strongly connected to an agenda within the game, which is weirding me out.
On May 31 2023 11:13 DarthPunk wrote: BTW it's much worse that we got the roleblocker and not a godfather. Would they have both? IDK, but maybe we can never get a red check this game.
Although, the fact that VE fake claimed Cop maybe that means there is not a godfather?
You totes going down DP!!! YOU r totally up for lynch
In my mind it is clear that we need to determine which game we are in,
Is it this game?
On May 31 2023 05:43 die_meatbaby wrote: Was somebody thinking what if DP and marv both flips to town? Chez and Slam are just not really posting here. Less posts less suspect. Right now it seems like marv get voted out (could be mafia but let us see him as town) Marv flips town, 6 Players left 4 town 2 mafia chez, ttt , LS, Slam, DP and me. then there comes the night. They kill another town. 5 players left 3 town 2 mafia. we will of course all vote on dp. Like everybody all of us. Dp flips as town as well. 2 town 2 mafia Next night they kill another town player 1 town left 2 mafia We lose. This non aktiv players get the win.
or this game:
On May 31 2023 01:23 die_meatbaby wrote: It really looks so simple. So clearly that Marv and LS are Mafia. LS is the only one except Marv of course who still voted on DP instead of Marv.
I am going to focus on how to solve it if it is the former.
On May 31 2023 11:20 TankTopTiger wrote: Thank fuck. I was going to be super upset if I was wrong on that one.
Okay so we're down to one mafia. I want to use tonight to fortify town resolve against Marv, because I probably won't see daylight. RedMarv's "meta-level one" play (the play that is optimal given no wifom considerations) is to NK me and then mind control town into lynching DP over him, playing on your paranoia.
But keep in mind that Marv's stocks are even lower now than when every single town voted him earlier. LS refused to vote Marv despite pretending he was open to it and now we 100% know LS was mafia. VE acted similarly, pretending to want a lynch on Marv early when there was no way Marv was being lynched, then basically trying to stay out of Marv's way after D1 when there was a chance of weakening Marv's position.
If marv is scum, the bolded is true which is why I wanted to lynch him yesterday. If marv is town then ????
On May 31 2023 11:31 TankTopTiger wrote: Why did you swap to LE from Marv if you wanted him lynched yesterday?
To me it seemed pretty clear that you wanted Marv dead over LE, then you changed your mind in the spur of the moment and cattle-ranch town all followed you. Was I mistaken?
Yeah, I felt like I could empathise with marv's posts when i woke up this morning.
I don't know maybe I was vulnerable and got bamboozled.
On May 31 2023 05:02 marvellosity wrote: I’ve genuinely never been in the position I’m in right now and it’s proper bizarro for me. Last time I got lynched while properly trying as town was like my 4th ever game. Probs over a decade ago. Never been heading inexorably towards a lynch while ‘experienced’.
On May 31 2023 11:45 TankTopTiger wrote: Isn't that the most compelling case against him?
Town marv has never been in this position because town marv does not get in this position.
1) Marv is either town or scum 2) If Marv is scum, Marv gets in trouble early 3) If Marv is town, Marv does not get in trouble early <= he's giving us this premise (which wasn't necessary but converges nicely with the modus ponens 4) Marv got in trouble early C: Marv is scum
Are there exceptions to every rule?
I am not saying he is 100 percent town, I am just suspending disbelief and doing my due diligence. LS was 100 percent mafia, marv was like 80% and improving IMO.
in my eyes either marv is mafia for the countless reasons stated, or Marv was super tunnelled and was reaching to try and get me lynched.
Certainly it felt like he was angling for me to go down since the start of the game, as it was with LS, AND VE for about a minute.
But maybe he was just not playing well in regards to me, OR I was also not playing well, (multiple townies suspect me for some reason that I can't figure out, dur to the fact taht I think its pretty confirmed I am town at this point)
I wanna operate under the impression that Marv is town and see where that goes to cover the other option (Marv and I are both town being shit and tunnelling each other) and there is mafia elsewhere nice and distant from the shit storm in the thread.
There is definitely something with Marv and LS, since the start of the game. Not sure what it means though, was LS engaging in WIFOM absolutely, but how many levels does it go? How short is a piece of string?
On May 31 2023 12:05 TankTopTiger wrote: To be clear, I'm not in anyway retracting my confidence on Marv.
But hypothetically, if Marv is not scum (big if), what you're doing now is distancing yourself from his mislynch which is something a redDP would need to do now that it's (about to be) 4-1.
In my head, I was dying tonight confident that you would carry the lynch out on Marv/LS. You're bouncing around too much for someone who's experienced the Marv meta firsthand.
On May 31 2023 12:20 TankTopTiger wrote: Mmmm I don't trust this at all. If Marv somehow flips town, and I somehow survive, we are probably going to fight a bunch. This seems uncharacteristically unconfident and silly of you.
I'm reading marv's scum games. I think tl.net This is the closest one I have found so far
On January 17 2015 20:14 marvellosity wrote: can you even *imagine* what my filter *should* look like in a game this size?
not getting lynched when everyone realises you're mafia is quite the achievement, i'd say :p
There's no such thing as "stylistically" calling certain townies mafia. That's just incorrect play, nothing more, nothing less. And he wasn't the only one.
edit: like town needs to cut through what's important and what's not. calling obvious townies and likely townies mafia is what lets mafia hide!
Damdred and I were playing below our towngames, and noticeably so, and that's what was *actually* important, but it was beautifully drowned out (from scum PoV) from all the crackpot nonsense going on around us, hiding us in amongst the bs.
On May 31 2023 05:56 DarthPunk wrote: Marv if we are both town, first of all we are bad, but who is the scum team?
This is a genuine question I’m not trying to tunnel you here no matter the answer.
Cause I also know I am town, and am using poe to end up on you and ls as the scum team.
So who is it if I am town and you are??
I really don’t know. I’m 100% it’s not DMB. Slam and Chez you literally can never be too sure either way. But I haven’t spent the time I needed on any of TTT, Chez, Slam because I’ve been so sure on you.
If you are town this is going to be a difficult thing to get your head around, do we call a truce today and lynch LS? I have bed relatively soon so I kinda need to decide what I’m doing.
And I know I know I know asking someone who I’m apparently hard mafia reading if they want a truce is nuts. But LS is just mafia here.
The problem is that I know I am town, and after the nk you are just going to get me lynched somehow. The only thing is that I am ope. To the fact that ego, paranoia, and different approaches are resulting I. Town on town violence. Like I do Think you could pull this off as maf, But maybe that is ok, cause I think meat can solve the game off I flip she seems very sharp. But if you flip green game is lost cause I’ll be next imo.
You literally have too much respect for me if you think I can make the posts I’ve made today as mafia.
Do you want to lynch mafia LS or not?
Yeah I know, I don’t know if you could do this as maf maybe you could I. 2013? that’s why I’m down to lynch ls I guess. And figure the rest out the next night.
##unvote: vote ls
I know I’m asking you to do work here, but go back and read a couple of my games in my scum ‘hay day’ when I won almost every mafia game I played. If you genuinely think the tone and content is the same, I will be extremely surprised. Because I can’t fake this sincerity.
I genuinely can’t promise I won’t still want to lynch you. And maybe you will still want to lynch me too. But if we are town, lynching LS is strictly the right play here.
unvote and vote: LS
I want to believe you Marv, but this is just not true. You have played like this before.
On May 31 2023 08:34 Chezinu wrote: TTT be saying Marv mafia since early filter.
Hasn’t he just?
I really hope you can find scum and show me you are town today marv, because it is hard to believe right now.
Like, from my perspective, how do you think I feel about you?
Presuming you are town, I'm not sure, I'd like to know because I don't know how you can think I have done any of this as mafia if you are town.
Like I read LS filter, and I don't think he would bus me from pretty much the start of the game until now, I don't know why you would think I would Bus him from the start of the game until now, I don't know how you could think I would switch onto VE or off of you as Mafia if you were town.
Like I'm putting it down to the tunnel but now that you are out of it (if town) then I want to think you think I am town, cause I can't see how you could think anything else.
On May 31 2023 08:34 Chezinu wrote: TTT be saying Marv mafia since early filter.
Hasn’t he just?
I really hope you can find scum and show me you are town today marv, because it is hard to believe right now.
Are you serious? I thought we truced this shit till tomorrow.
Yes fine, im cheering for you.
Well if this is your attitude now, then I don’t even look, I happily take the 1 to 1 trade with you. And if that loses town the game it’s your attitude right now that’s done it.
On May 31 2023 08:34 Chezinu wrote: TTT be saying Marv mafia since early filter.
Hasn’t he just?
I really hope you can find scum and show me you are town today marv, because it is hard to believe right now.
Are you serious? I thought we truced this shit till tomorrow.
Yes fine, im cheering for you.
Well if this is your attitude now, then I don’t even look, I happily take the 1 to 1 trade with you. And if that loses town the game it’s your attitude right now that’s done it.
I really don't understand this, I just saved you from getting lynched and lynched the Mafia I have been calling out all game.
I thought you would be more open to a bit of a reset on our point of views.
On May 31 2023 08:34 Chezinu wrote: TTT be saying Marv mafia since early filter.
Hasn’t he just?
I really hope you can find scum and show me you are town today marv, because it is hard to believe right now.
Like, from my perspective, how do you think I feel about you?
Presuming you are town, I'm not sure, I'd like to know because I don't know how you can think I have done any of this as mafia if you are town.
Like I read LS filter, and I don't think he would bus me from pretty much the start of the game until now, I don't know why you would think I would Bus him from the start of the game until now, I don't know how you could think I would switch onto VE or off of you as Mafia if you were town.
Like I'm putting it down to the tunnel but now that you are out of it (if town) then I want to think you think I am town, cause I can't see how you could think anything else.
I mean you and LS can easily do that to each other. Has LS ever survived long as mafia? The play if LS is on your team is to bus him for cred, it just is. As you’ve done to others im sure as maf.
Now obviously you not killing me makes it at least somewhat less likely you are mafia. But obvs my sincerity in general yesterday should make it less likely im mafia as well.
So im very serious, if you’re just gonna snark at me I will end up getting lynched and my final will will be to lynch the shit out of you. Which im okay with. Are you?
Assuming no, we gonna work together at all or you just gonna snipe me?
I literally wasn't sniping. I genuinely am cheering for you to be town and to work this shit out, especially because it would make our day 3 god-tier.
On May 31 2023 08:34 Chezinu wrote: TTT be saying Marv mafia since early filter.
Hasn’t he just?
I really hope you can find scum and show me you are town today marv, because it is hard to believe right now.
Are you serious? I thought we truced this shit till tomorrow.
Yes fine, im cheering for you.
Well if this is your attitude now, then I don’t even look, I happily take the 1 to 1 trade with you. And if that loses town the game it’s your attitude right now that’s done it.
I really don't understand this, I just saved you from getting lynched and lynched the Mafia I have been calling out all game.
I thought you would be more open to a bit of a reset on our point of views.
You’re the one demanding I do things like I’m mafia. I did not do that to you! Are you serious???
On May 31 2023 15:51 marvellosity wrote: Like you also need and should want to find mafia here so the leave marv to it attitude is a bit weird. Like it’s on the whole town now, it’s not just on me.
I'm trying to allow you space to talk about something else, cause just talking about us for another phase doesn't actually help.
On May 31 2023 15:54 marvellosity wrote: And yet despite me asking a question about a different player twice, you’ve chosen not to answer it
And again, you should want or need to find mafia with me.
Because to reiterate, I am happy at 1 for 1 if it comes down to it.
I'm trying to filter dive LS and VE and TTT.
It's hard cause they don't really mention him much aside from calling him town in list posts, and im not sure if that is because he replaced in late, or something more.
I think TTT gets tunnelled pretty easily and doesn't let go. Worse than I used to be back in the day even.
On June 01 2023 07:49 TankTopTiger wrote: I want to draw attention back to this. This is a quote DP found from an obs thread where Marv was scum and in trouble, like I believe him to be now. It's a roadmap to how he functions when try-harding as scum from behind.
On January 17 2015 20:14 marvellosity wrote: can you even *imagine* what my filter *should* look like in a game this size?
not getting lynched when everyone realises you're mafia is quite the achievement, i'd say :p
There's no such thing as "stylistically" calling certain townies mafia. That's just incorrect play, nothing more, nothing less. And he wasn't the only one.
edit: like town needs to cut through what's important and what's not. calling obvious townies and likely townies mafia is what lets mafia hide!
Damdred and I were playing below our towngames, and noticeably so, and that's what was *actually* important, but it was beautifully drowned out (from scum PoV) from all the crackpot nonsense going on around us, hiding us in amongst the bs.
Marv is playing "below his towngame". He hasn't done anything useful, he led a lynch on town early, he's been caught in lies, he gave up earlier on, he's had a scum completely refuse to vote him to save themselves. In Marvs own words, this is what he looks like when he's scum.
But you guys don't care because you're entertaining conspiratorial notions that actually I'm some sort of smurf (even though this is verifiable by DP who invited me to this game). Crackpot nonsense. According to Marv, this is the sort of bs he hides in when he's scum in order to survive.
@DP, can you please verify that my initial post regarding my level of experience is correct so we can put that to rest?
Yeah, this is the best I have ever seen TTT play, and he hasn't played a forum mafia game since Titanic II.
That part of why he has to be town IMO. Like I have been considering his alignment since yesterday when marv asked why he is so sure of his alignment.
I was considering why he played so well, nailing two scum. Is it TMI? But I think he would slip up and get tied up into knots as mafia, I also don't think he would opt in to shit flinging with Marv as mafia, it would be too draining for him to fake that.
On June 01 2023 07:35 TankTopTiger wrote: My other account was Spaghetticus, DP already linked it. I had a pattern of being bad and getting mislynched as town.
@Ches @slam @DMB I need you guys to figure out whether you're ignoring me because you think I'm scum, or because you think I'm incompetent. Because it feels like you believe both at once somehow in your quest to lose this game.
Neither. I think you are tunneled.
Who do you think is Mafia Slam?
Cause it seems to me like you are town reading everyone in the game at this point?
On June 01 2023 07:35 TankTopTiger wrote: My other account was Spaghetticus, DP already linked it. I had a pattern of being bad and getting mislynched as town.
@Ches @slam @DMB I need you guys to figure out whether you're ignoring me because you think I'm scum, or because you think I'm incompetent. Because it feels like you believe both at once somehow in your quest to lose this game.
You got boring rank. You haven't even joined my game yet. If you want information out of Chez, you have to play along with him.
On May 28 2023 11:21 DarthPunk wrote: By the way Rayn. Rember that podcast that we laughed about Marv not calling people mafia but smelly and stinky and shit.
He has done that exact thing with me this game. And actually played very similarly.
And I think Marv would be motivated to try hard with ve on his team.
So I’m pretty sure he is mafia and have thought that for a bit.
Excuse me young man, what happened here? I definitely hadn’t read this post before or if I did a red mist had descended and I missed this podcast comment
We did a podcast (generous calling it that) analysing a game in which you played active mafia, basically we all read you as mafia right away because you were pushing suspicions on people, but taking forever to call them scum. You would call them smelly, stinky, whatever but not mafia.
You did that a little bit in this game, it's why my town read on you was re-evaluated night 1.
Ok basically I am hoping that there is enough confusion in the direction I am going, that I get Night Killed therefore providing some further clarity to solving the game.
I think this game is basically in two worlds as I have said previously.
1.) Marv is mafia
or
2.) Marv is not mafia and I have been masterfully manipulated into thinking he is by the scum team.
The reason I believe this to be the case is that from the start of the game, two of the confirmed mafia have been setting up some kind of showdown between myself and marv.
Look at both the entry posts to the game from VE and LS
On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: Hey I was busy last night and didn't check to see if the game started and caught up now! Marv looks town to me? I think he would of folded as mafia considering he is known for that given the pressure he was getting from DP but he continued posting his thoughts like I remembered how he was in XXX in 2015. VE is null he hasn't posted anything since a few hours ago will wait for judgement on him. dmb is null the stuff for why she scumreading Vivax is very odd? Koshi is town so far he been posting like I remembered how he was when I played back then. Rayn looks town I like the pressure on dmb from him so far and waiting for a conclusion of his pressure on her. DP I didn't like his early posting towards Marv (Even suggesting Marv is mafia??) and then gave a hard townread on dmb? His evolution of his read on Marv does seem organic. Null for now I guess.
LS was very spewy as mafia, I have read his filter again and again and everything points to some weird association with Marv:
On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.
Marv had trouble in handling SRs on him without exploding. But I think that applied to a lot of us gamers. I think the paranoia on him got so annoying that he stopped fighting, doesn‘t mean he didn‘t fight for a good portion of his history and could do it again.
Maybe I am not getting why people were getting paranoid of his scum game though? Regardless though what is your read on Marv atm?
This is really out of place. Why would you ask your town read what his read on your other town read is in this situation?
On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.
Marv had trouble in handling SRs on him without exploding. But I think that applied to a lot of us gamers. I think the paranoia on him got so annoying that he stopped fighting, doesn‘t mean he didn‘t fight for a good portion of his history and could do it again.
Maybe I am not getting why people were getting paranoid of his scum game though? Regardless though what is your read on Marv atm?
This is really out of place. Why would you ask your town read what his read on your other town read is in this situation?
I wanted to see where he is at with Marv to gain another perspective? Like I know I could be wrong on Marv and all but he never posted it unless I misread his filter.
LS hard town reads and hard defends Marv all game, and he tries to throw as much doubt as possible on me all game.
On May 25 2023 08:52 LightningStrike wrote: Ok first filter I just looked at is MZ because I remembered he was wanting me dead and I did know people were wanting to lynch him: If he is town well he been tunneled on me and Marv this entire cycle and was making bad points towards Marv. Maybe mafia motivation because he refused to reconsider his reads on me and Marv.
Then LS tries to use the Koshi night kill to form a wagon on me:
On May 25 2023 08:52 LightningStrike wrote: Ok first filter I just looked at is MZ because I remembered he was wanting me dead and I did know people were wanting to lynch him: If he is town well he been tunneled on me and Marv this entire cycle and was making bad points towards Marv. Maybe mafia motivation because he refused to reconsider his reads on me and Marv.
Like this play is soooo polarising. Is that the point? Is LS such a god tier mafia player that he is trying to create an association with marv and myself from the start of the game, planning on never night killing either of us so that eventually we will mislynch eachother?
Or is he just literally bad, and is hard defending his strongest scum partner all game, and assuming we will talk ourselves out of it because it is Too simple.
On May 29 2023 10:50 LightningStrike wrote: DP if I flip town (Which I know I will) Can you name your mafia team?
Yep. Marv and DMB.
Reason for DMB?
I give my scum team if LS is mafia, and he doesn't ask for clarity on why marv is in the team, presumably if marv is town then he knows I am wrong on this point, and he is trying to get me lynched, so why doesn't he push back here. I think its because he knows I am correct
Like most of LS's play in this game is oriented around marv, and I just don;t believe he is good enough to do that deliberately, planned from the start of the game, in order to get marv mislynched when he could just NK town marv.
On May 29 2023 11:04 LightningStrike wrote: Well that NK point towards me.... At least I was right about my read on him.
Why?
I am not seeing how this NK implicates anyone, Rayn was so town it hurts and is the only one of us who has managed to actually catch scum
Like the team would then just let him live?
Pure WIFOM to think anything is implied by this NK other than "raynpelikoneet good"
Let's see in his last will he did say to lynch me today. Yes I do know he is a good player but why did he not get killed Night 1 then?
My god this is bad. Is Koshi not a good player?
Look how easy it is do even a smiple NK anallysis of this
Koshi suspected Marv during day 1 Died Night 1
Rayn suspected Marv during day 2 Died Night 2.
Marv is generally a legit monster town player why did he not die night 1.
Like, I don't even.....
Koshi in general doesn't die Night 1 over Rayn at least from what I remembered when both are town heck he flips his reads a bit more than Rayn does in general. Marv not dying Night 1 could set him up as a possible lynch or him being wrong? I guess idk man it's WIFOM. Maybe Rayn and Koshi were right and I was wrong about Marv?
THIS NEXT POST IS THE MOST IMPORTANT POST IN THE GAME
On May 30 2023 03:29 marvellosity wrote: LightningStrike, if you are town you need to vote with me and lynch DP.
If not, then I will flip town, DP will get lynched and flip mafia, then you will get lynched. Your choice bud.
On January 17 2015 20:14 marvellosity wrote: can you even *imagine* what my filter *should* look like in a game this size?
not getting lynched when everyone realises you're mafia is quite the achievement, i'd say :p
There's no such thing as "stylistically" calling certain townies mafia. That's just incorrect play, nothing more, nothing less. And he wasn't the only one.
edit: like town needs to cut through what's important and what's not. calling obvious townies and likely townies mafia is what lets mafia hide!
Damdred and I were playing below our towngames, and noticeably so, and that's what was *actually* important, but it was beautifully drowned out (from scum PoV) from all the crackpot nonsense going on around us, hiding us in amongst the bs.
yeah.....
Town marv does not talk about who is 'worthy of a swap
On May 31 2023 16:27 TankTopTiger wrote: Then I'm happy to be lynched, right after you ofc.
You’re not worthy of a 1 to 1 swap. DP is.
Town marv finds and lynches mafia, and talks about who is and isn't mafia.
On May 31 2023 16:51 marvellosity wrote: Let’s not engage again. I literally cannot wait for post game if you’re town
Town marv does not prey on fear. He lynches mafia based on logic
I also have been thinking of VE back flip on Marv and myself one must be mafia.
On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not sure I'll ever get used to being able to read the whole thread over the course of one cigarette. Not sure if good thing or bad thing, I guess we'll find out come D2 or 3.
I think there's exactly one mafia inside marv/DP but I don't know which and I don't want to lynch either today. I'm leaning toward DP being the maf based on interactions with not-marv.
I think mayor today should be DMB. The discord stuff is about Viv and rayn right? I disagree with his reasoning, but it feels SOOOOOOOO townie, like...newer mafia would be scared to even MENTION Discord right? IDK meta is meta but I'd follow meat anywhere this phase. Including (ugh) onto one of my townreads.
MZ town for wanting to townread me. That's a town thing to want. I have a lot of townreads, so I think there's at least 1, maybe 2 mafia in the lurking class. I think a D1 lurker lynch is in order, my vote will reflect that.
I think this post nailed him:
On May 24 2023 19:26 DarthPunk wrote: By the way I have been reading my old games, and I came across this:
On September 28 2014 12:41 geript wrote: But maybe DP. VE really does like to do "one of these two is mafia" as mafia, lynch the town then form a townread on his partner.
I know I said I would not use meta, but I thought I would put it out there for discussion of something other than DMB
On May 24 2023 19:26 DarthPunk wrote: By the way I have been reading my old games, and I came across this:
On September 28 2014 12:41 geript wrote: But maybe DP. VE really does like to do "one of these two is mafia" as mafia, lynch the town then form a townread on his partner.
I know I said I would not use meta, but I thought I would put it out there for discussion of something other than DMB
On May 25 2023 01:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I still think the meat train sucks. Like, I'm filtering Vivax now and I'd much rather lynch that than the meaty one. Here I'll show you.
Where did the one of marv/DP is scum end and why?
Did you not hear my song?
Marv and DP both look better on reread, idk if work/sleep changed my perspective, but they both seem town now. I couldn't even remember when I woke up and filtered MYSELF why I actually thought marv was mafia. DP has been like ubertryhard town the whole time.
I'm more interested in why you give a shit unless you want to lynch one of DP or marv and why you aren't CURRENTLY voting Vivax.
I promise that I have really, really tried to think about a situation that Marv is town, if only because it will mean the LS switch was godlike.
But honestly, there is no way Marv is not mafia in this spot.
If I die, you need to lynch him.
If you don't believe you need to lynch him.
DO NOT LET HIM GET TO A LYLO WITH DMB AND TTT
DMB you have been pocketed hard this game, I would really like you to turn that natural scepticism onto marv and genuinely consider thatTTT and I might have solved the game, yesterday was a scum LS vs Scum Marv lynch and it really was that simple. Because OCCAMS RAZOR
Somehow, if you lynch Marv and he is town, the final mafia is most likely chezinu for the reasons I pushed after the night 3 post, and Spew from LS
If you are town you need to read this post carefully
On May 28 2023 11:21 DarthPunk wrote: By the way Rayn. Rember that podcast that we laughed about Marv not calling people mafia but smelly and stinky and shit.
He has done that exact thing with me this game. And actually played very similarly.
And I think Marv would be motivated to try hard with ve on his team.
So I’m pretty sure he is mafia and have thought that for a bit.
This actually happened, Marv when he played as active mafia back in the day, had a couple of tells.
1.) he soft pushed people while not outright calling them mafia, and instead stinky/smelly
2.) he gave up quickly under pressure.
Im going to address the first one here.
On May 25 2023 03:01 marvellosity wrote: MZ your characterisation of what I said about you as OMGUS is weak sauce.
There is no curiosity in your posts about my alignment whatsoever.
On May 26 2023 11:11 DarthPunk wrote: So I am going to address the shit where Rayn thinks I am soft blaming him for the lynch on vivax, and I guess I sort of am, (although I also take responsibility for being wrong/bad or whatever makes you feel better) because from my perspective I was very open to being on either wagon at the time.
On May 25 2023 08:29 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:13 Onegu wrote:
On May 25 2023 06:08 marvellosity wrote: Onegu, less blabla, more desperately trying to make yourself useful - I thank you
Love you Marv but you should know that is not likely to happen. I got the message 30 minutes ago that this game started.
Maybe this is helpful
##Vote: Marvellosity
I want marv dead more than anyone in this thread but I don't like this .
I mean like shiiiittt...
Yeah this is bad. lol.
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?
On May 25 2023 08:33 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Hmph....
I fell more strongly about a Vivax lynch. I also think you are looking better recently so that's good. :D
On May 25 2023 08:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.
Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad
Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?[/QUOTE
On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf?????
I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline.
I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null"
Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one:
On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.
Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast"
Ok I like this post, but it could be argued that I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. could also apply to you.
On May 25 2023 08:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: AND TO BE CLEAR ONEGU IS NOT EVEN MY TOP SCUM READ.
I feel like people aren't reading my posts clearly. I'd still rather lynch Vivax or LS or even Marv like I've been saying for a while. But again, town can play bad, one of my current suspects could flip town, Marv could wow me and turn into the towniest townie who ever town'd and I'd almost immediately slot Onegu into that spot.
I really don’t get how you can think Marv is a good lynch at this point.
Because I was open, and I had a strong town read in the thread with me, I asked rayn several times why I should not be on vivax.
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
On May 25 2023 09:06 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?
Just putting it out there.
I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.
Ok let me rephrase. Tell me (why) you won’t lynch vivax
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.
Why bad? Genuinely curious.
youre voting wrong
In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?
because things may and will change in hours between the posts.
OK, that is fine.
But that is the reason you gave for not voting him. If there are other reasons since then, could you let me know what they are?
I am also voting Vivax, so if that vote is wrong, hen I would like to know why.
This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia.
Like I was genuinely frustrated that I wasn't given clarity at the time when I was repeatedly trying to get some.
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
VE posts this interpretation
On May 25 2023 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.
Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?
Because from his perspective it's optimal play, mafia whoever they are are going to try and influence the vote IF his reads are right. Taking his vote out of the manipulable votes reduces mafia's power to affect the outcome IF his reads are right. And he's reinforcing anyone who values his reads that he's not moving his vote so they shouldn't either in the case that I keep trying to lynch Vivax.
Which rayn says is very smart post. So I take that to be the reason that Rayn is giving for not wanting to lynch Vivax. I actually don't like this reason because it prevents me from being able to play the game, if every lynch is already decided by the euros before a lynch, so in my mind I discount it.
On May 25 2023 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Or he's mafia and knows it's a mislynch. Take your pick DP.
I don't think he is mafia. I also am not convinced MZ is town, I'm just trying to understand the thought processes going on.
I am really open to either. I just want some fucking clarity and engagement on the topic. Which I was not provided.
On May 25 2023 10:39 DarthPunk wrote: Day One Vote Count
Trying to figure out where the scum are and the town reads are. ( a major criticisim later) At this point Rayn has left the thread.
I am posting this and then dropping the topic mainly because I want to:
1.) be clear around my thinking at the time of the wagon on vivax forming
2.) clarify that yes, if Rayn had given me any strong reason to vote MZ over Vivax when we were interacting in the thread prior to the lynch I would have done so.
3.) Point out that I don't think it was as clear and obvious as people are making it out to be prior to the lynch, and if it was, then some clear communication about that fact would have changed the outcome.
I am struggling to figure out this is what DP is interested in close to deadline N1?
Like sure. But these are the questions.
1. Why did he hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way 2. Why did he townread TTT when neither of us felt that way 3. How did he at all have too many townreads during N1 I think it was when I had 2
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.
I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident.
I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information.
But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now.
All a bit weak sauce, the whole post.
On May 29 2023 23:33 marvellosity wrote:
Also, please read again the passage of play where I start calling DP mafia. He was not calling me mafia before that. He tells me he knew my scumread on him was coming - he knew he'd misplayed. Tell you what, if I'm town in DP's position there, as far as I'm concerned I've just listened to a very likely townie (rayn) and voted for mafia (VE). I'd be feeling nervous (about the lynch to come) but happy. I wouldn't be feeling guilty - "I knew this read on me was coming". The inherent guilt of being mafia. Then the way he starts calling me mafia - "FWIW I think marv could be mafia". Of course he just happens to wait until I have called him mafia, and then very casually says "FWIW".
None of anything of what DP has done is how a townie thinks. Lynch him with fire
I will not defend myself any further - this is my position. I will take no questions from DP because he is mafia. TTT - if you are just going to take the position that I am mafia spewing bs, fine. But assuming you are town, please go back, read my thoughts here again as if they are legitimately townie, and think about them. If you don't believe me, fine. Lynch me and then come back to this post.
The bolded is really interesting and basically confirms marv is mafia ( i was having small doubts by his emotions when rayn called him out)
But marv should know that this is coming because he was soft pushing me since day one, without calling me mafia, (massive scum tell) and this is actually the source of Confirmed town MZ's mafia read on marv
On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote: It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them.
Well rayn definitely isn’t hiding, so what do you mean?[/QUOTE
On May 23 2023 19:36 die_meatbaby wrote: The mafia talks to the other mafia right? On Discord or somewhere else and this two always answering at the same time here.
If you were mafia, would you post at the same time on this thread if you were discussing the game with your mafia buddies on Discord at the same time?
On May 23 2023 20:18 marvellosity wrote: It has to be the plan to get meatbaby to explain their thoughts wherever possible. If town, will eliminate a lynch that mafia will have pencilled in. If not, great.
Is this a serious point? If so can you expand upon your thinking here?
Of course it’s serious, and it’s self explanatory. Which bit aren’t you getting?
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote: [quote] I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote: [quote] Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote: [quote] How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?
I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?
I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.
If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?
I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote: [quote] Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
On May 23 2023 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta
If it’s not plausible, then you should be sure?
If it is plausible (which it is) then I’m right.
I am sorry if i am not that good at english. I think there is a possibility Vivax and die_meatballs had such an interaction somewhere before, she thinks Vivax is mafia now without a doubt. I just dont thin it is likely, but still i would like her to explain her stance before i cast my (even first) vote.
Goodio?
It wasn’t quite what I was getting at though. What I meant is I can envisage that a town MB could treat Vivax in this way based on their general relationship outside of this thread.
And she probably is. I don't think the poker thing in her post is a lie for a second. But if and *when* that is NOT a lie, she should be aware (as a gambler/at least gamer) that she can't figure out Vivax as mafia without any reasoning at all. I guess this might change if she GAVE the reasoning, but apparently she is unwilling to, while asked multiple times.
I already explained why I think you and Vivax are mafia. In the first few pages you can see that you too where always answering at the same time and being off at the same time. So I only can think of you too where writing your plans on discord how you can hide. I still not sure who is the 3th mafia member, but we will find out.
So you think me and Vivax were writing our thoughts on the thread at the same time because we were wrting also onb discord on how to hide?
And you after that said you are sure Vivax is mafia, like completely and utterly sure. Why does that not apply to me as per your earlier investigations? And how are you so sure?
You two stopped writing here for the same time, looked like you two where both something doing for the same 10 min and coming back here at the same time. I just preferred to vote Vivax out first because he brought me in this game.
Have you entertained the possibility of coincidence?
Marv the socratic method only works if you actually come up with a conclusion:
It doesn't feel like you're trying to draw out reasoning, it feels like you're just filling space by asking questions and then not really offering interpretations on the answers you get. You've had several people respond to your questions and rather than make meaning of the information that they've given you just continue asking questions. I'm all for asking questions but at some point your posts just start to sound like this:
On May 23 2023 22:10 marvellosity wrote: If I had to answer the question, it’s a lot of text to not say very much or actively silly stuff about killing lurkers. Text for the sake of writing text.
It's really funny to me that you wrote this post because I absolutely hate when people do what you're talking about, I call it Contributing Without Contributing and I consider it a fairly decent scumtell for most players, regardless of how experienced or inexperienced they are. Given the fact that you really haven't come to any real conclusions based on your questions, it's starting to feel as though they're simply a method to create the appearance of activity without having to actually provide concrete reads or say something of substance.
I really wouldn't have a problem with constant questions if you did something with it but you still haven't generated any real reads from it which is a warning sign to me.
On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever.
I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved?
I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end.
What's your opinion on people now?
Tell me what the point is then
You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.
How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote: [quote] How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?
Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.
If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.
If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
Would you want me to be lynched right now?
“Which thankfully I’m not”
If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess.
Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol
Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.
I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident.
I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information.
But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now.
All a bit weak sauce, the whole post.
This is when I started to suspect Marv, and this is why the post below from marv is not genuine.
On May 23 2023 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv do you think DP is mafia or town atm?
Don’t know
This line of posts bothers me because it feels like you're setting up for a soft push on DarthPunk but you're not willing to actually stand behind it. You constantly undercut your own read, to me that's scummy. Either stand behind your read or don't reveal it until you have more certainty, otherwise it feels like mafia leaving behind little post-it notes to muddle up the thread, you'll be easily positioned to vote DP but you'll never have to accept responsibility if he flips green.
On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend.
I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread.
Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless.
I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention.
Given my activity trying to draw MB out on their reasoning, these 2 don’t mesh so well.
It's funny that you bring up your questioning as a defense because that's exactly what I was expecting to hear when I was first reading the thread. I'll reference back to my earlier point that your activity hasn't been really pro-town and more an attempt to look involved without having to put your neck on the line.
And as to those points not meshing... the discussion was useful because it revealed you as being useless. + Show Spoiler +
useless in the context of the game <3
Rayn's reaction to this case:
On May 28 2023 13:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am a huge fucking clown tbh not to see that... It's probably the best case in the game.
Other reasons marv is Mafia:
Marv is a self proclaimed VE expert, but rayn says this about Marv on VE:
On May 28 2023 11:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am a sucker for some things he says, it was quite hard to convince him on VE while it would be easy to see for him. All the reasons. We will see.
On May 28 2023 13:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both of you have a huge problem to lay your vote on VE, when it's not that hard of a vote.
On May 28 2023 11:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: very early but koshi can come back to this..
1. Why did he (DP) hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way
marv wrote that. Why is DP, but not VE suspect of this?
On May 28 2023 12:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh right why doesn't marv feel like Slam is mafia when he voted "against" him D1? Like all Slam did was to praise marv and then voted for Vivax, i would expect marv would be annoyed at that shit but instead he calls Slam town.
On May 27 2023 10:41 marvellosity wrote: Slam, Chez, Onegu, LS etc are all doing a good job of appearing town are they? Really????
LS is DP's top mafia read, why is he here?
On May 28 2023 12:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv thinks and was one of the first to think Slam is town, why can't DP think Slam is town?
On May 28 2023 12:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is VE suspicious to some extent but never TOO suspicious, it was not hard to pick up the right things? Why is DP more suspicious than VE? I know on paper i would also say DP is suspicious but everything is not on paper, like the Koshi thingy, blaming me on his vote shit that's next level if mafia...
On May 28 2023 12:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ugh.. why is it so bad for DP to hop on VE "too fast"? marv agreed on the same case VE did.
On May 28 2023 07:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you still think DP and LS could be teammates marv?
In all honesty I haven’t concentrated on LS related stuff today. Are there reasons beyond your (possibly valid) one yesterday you talked to me about?
Do you know whats fucking weird. Why does he notthink about LS. When I have been posting about him for days, surely if he was suspicious of me, he would have thought about LS because I have been trying to get him lynched.
On May 28 2023 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
agreed
On May 28 2023 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i think that's the kicker
On May 28 2023 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i think that's the kicker
the LS thing
On May 29 2023 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DP and marv.. Ugh... Like every time i am in the thread with marv we're seeing things pretty similarly. That's usually town tell. I consider myself a decent player and if another decent player agrees with me then we're usually doing right things, and even if he is mafia we're still doing right things. That is early on. Lately there have been things that bug me. All the questions i asked yesterday i think are worth asking. I am not completely sure they make him look mafia but they are still worth asking. Maybe the biggest thing is i don't get how he can feel so strongly about DP being mafia, even before VE flip. It doesn't make sense to me, nor does the AFTER flip reaction when i have just kinda lead a lynch on mafia VE:
On May 28 2023 14:19 marvellosity wrote: Great result with VE.
If rayn is thinking about pushing me now maybe i am wrong about DP and I have been mega duped by rayn. Maybe that’s why Koshi died N1.
Because I look at the number of posts rayn hard-reads me as town and now this? I don’t understand it.
Like.... rayn leads a lynch on mafia VE, DP is big suspect for marv, suddenly after flip i am mafia just because i have doubts about him as i clearly can't figure out all mafia as Onegu also flips. It's just... idk, maybe he is just a bit butthurt i am calling him mafia, i really don't know because it doesn't look natural. Another thing is i think DP was way more natural to flip his read on VE. To me that felt like "i thought he was town but shiiiitt.. this is good you nailed it dude!", which is really natural when i read an ACTUAL good case.
I also know marv has had doubts on VE a long time, but never really acted on them. I don't think there was a lot of time left when i made my case on VE, i DO have a feeling marv SHOULD see those things before, and acted on them. Hell he wrote good stuff like "VE lynches Vivax because D1 is the only day when he can lynch town Vivax", really good shit. But not realising VE is mafia earlier when all the evidence is there? Weird.
And just in case you are swayed by marvs appeals to emotion, you need to hold firm.
On May 28 2023 13:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both of you have a huge problem to lay your vote on VE, when it's not that hard of a vote.
Yeah i'm dumb. But at least you can read why I thought what I thought, [...]
see my problem is, as it is with most of those pbp analysis posts. you can always make out a lot of posts that seem townie from a person who posts a lot. it is the little things that make them mafia. 10 townie things do not make 1 scummy thing -> town. otherwise i would always read marv town in this game for instance.
On May 25 2023 08:59 VisceraEyes wrote: So I know why /I/ think marv is town.
But honestly I don't know why anyone else does. Is that weird? That's weird isn't it?
On May 28 2023 12:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry marv but the more i look at this it looks more disgusting...........
On May 31 2023 21:44 marvellosity wrote: And I don’t think it’ll be you, DMB, for anything to do with TTT. I just think it’s the obvious kill at this stage
This is the Kicker with the NK by the way, this was not the obvious night kill to me at all. Its reeks of Wifom.
On June 01 2023 14:56 marvellosity wrote: I’m so glad I killed someone who I had pocketed. That’s gonna work out great for me today!
Yeah, I saw you set up the WIFOM for that, but I think it was a huge miscalculation on your part.
Your case really got me DP. I was wondering when someone would make such an amazing case against me that it finally nailed me. Town-marv wouldn’t do this or that, how can I argue?
Shall we have some fun this cycle before the inevitable endgame when I obviously will super duper flip mafia?
On June 01 2023 15:05 marvellosity wrote: Something I was going to think about this cycle was the number of times Slam has gone from a hard townread on me to voting to lynch me. It’s at least twice.
Slam is great at accidentally hard townreading a mafia but then hard switching to voting for that mafia, that’s a great skill to have as a townie. Wow!
On June 01 2023 15:05 marvellosity wrote: Something I was going to think about this cycle was the number of times Slam has gone from a hard townread on me to voting to lynch me. It’s at least twice.
Slam is great at accidentally hard townreading a mafia but then hard switching to voting for that mafia, that’s a great skill to have as a townie. Wow!
You think slam is mafia if you flip green?
No I’m just amazed at his skillzzzzz voting for the mafia (me, very clearly)
Your still planning to call me mafia then I suppose.
On June 01 2023 15:39 DarthPunk wrote: Cop don’t claim yet. He’s just looking to not get fucked if he all in’s on you and you claim. Claim late day if it’s needed.
Sorry explain to me hiw this works?
It it s 100% the correct time to claim.
Wtf am I going to do against a cop claim?!
Do not wait until lylo to claim, claim today
DP, if you think otherwise it’s gonna make you look real bad.
I'm not saying wait til LYLO i'm saying wait til closer to the end of the phase.
On June 01 2023 15:05 marvellosity wrote: Something I was going to think about this cycle was the number of times Slam has gone from a hard townread on me to voting to lynch me. It’s at least twice.
Slam is great at accidentally hard townreading a mafia but then hard switching to voting for that mafia, that’s a great skill to have as a townie. Wow!
You think slam is mafia if you flip green?
No I’m just amazed at his skillzzzzz voting for the mafia (me, very clearly)
Your still planning to call me mafia then I suppose.
What’s the point? You all caught the last mafia.
And he funny thing is lylo will be DP, Slam, Chez. That’s gonna be epic.
They will kill TTT because I kinda think he is obvious town.
His ‘trap’ on me yesterday with LS was so straight up terrible and batshit crazy that it can only be tunnelled townie.
DP, Slam and Chez. I repeat that for effect.
I mean, except I am obviously flipping mafia so that won’t happen. But when it does!
Who is they? It's obviously not me because you are talking to me? So obviously you aren't thinking of me as mafia. So, if you flip green, who is it?
On June 01 2023 15:39 DarthPunk wrote: Cop don’t claim yet. He’s just looking to not get fucked if he all in’s on you and you claim. Claim late day if it’s needed.
Sorry explain to me hiw this works?
It it s 100% the correct time to claim.
Wtf am I going to do against a cop claim?!
Do not wait until lylo to claim, claim today
DP, if you think otherwise it’s gonna make you look real bad.
I'm not saying wait til LYLO i'm saying wait til closer to the end of the phase.
Why? How does that help anything?
If I am mafia it is irrelevant when they claim.
If I am town (obviously not, but humour me) it gives me a lot more time to process that information.
Again, how does it hurt to claim as soon as humanly possible?
Because it prevents you from accurately determining your mislynch target out of chez and slam and not going all out for it and getting cucked by a cop claim afterwards.
I have to admit Marv, I am fucking impressed with your scum play here, like I have you caught, dead to rights, and you are still fighting and trying to find an angle out.
If there were still mafia awards, I would campaign hard for you to get best mafia performance, even in a loss.
On June 01 2023 15:39 DarthPunk wrote: Cop don’t claim yet. He’s just looking to not get fucked if he all in’s on you and you claim. Claim late day if it’s needed.
Sorry explain to me hiw this works?
It it s 100% the correct time to claim.
Wtf am I going to do against a cop claim?!
Do not wait until lylo to claim, claim today
DP, if you think otherwise it’s gonna make you look real bad.
I'm not saying wait til LYLO i'm saying wait til closer to the end of the phase.
Why? How does that help anything?
If I am mafia it is irrelevant when they claim.
If I am town (obviously not, but humour me) it gives me a lot more time to process that information.
Again, how does it hurt to claim as soon as humanly possible?
Because it prevents you from accurately determining your mislynch target out of chez and slam and not going all out for it and getting cucked by a cop claim afterwards.
Dumbest thing I ever saw
You wouldn't feel the same way if you knew how fucking hard it was to lynch you and prevent you mind controlling the townies, my dude.
On June 01 2023 15:50 DarthPunk wrote: I have to admit Marv, I am fucking impressed with your scum play here, like I have you caught, dead to rights, and you are still fighting and trying to find an angle out.
If there were still mafia awards, I would campaign hard for you to get best mafia performance, even in a loss.
In a fleeting moment, consider this you’re so impressed by my scumplay that I make all these big, sincere sounding, convincing (your word) posts. And today this is apparently trying (it’s not, I’m trolling).
And I am tryharding so much I have a large filter. Yet I let my whole team get lynched 3 days in a row. Which is god damn awful play. I let LS make the most tragic vote on you yesterday.
So, do you have too much respect, or too little respect? Can it be both?
The mystery deepens.
I don't think you should feel responsible for this, I think your individual play has been top notch. I think LS was bad, and spewy and really let you down.
VE was good, and you really did try to get me lynched on day 3 I think you just couldn't get it over the line.
On June 01 2023 16:00 marvellosity wrote: Promise this isn’t trying. Confirmed international pornstar mafia right here.
But go on, for the lols. Wtf you gonna do in that hilarious lylo?
Probably get mislynched LMAO. If it comes to that and you are town, I will be so fucking tilted I don't know if I could care enough about the game to figure out WTF went on.
On June 01 2023 16:06 marvellosity wrote: Accept the ez win, obvs!
Or, maybe, play as if marv is confirmed town and do your best to talk about who might be mafia with him so you’re not totally clueless in lylo.
I think accept the ez win though, don’t you?
It's too problematic, because this is how you wriggle out of things, it's too dangerous. I am not going to stop you talking though, it seems like you think it's chez. Because all the others you have town reads on.
Or you still think I am mafia, and then what is the point?
On June 01 2023 16:05 DarthPunk wrote: I am really sad that it feels to me when we play, we end up inevitably at odds with each other. I wonder why that is the case?
You were my coach in my first newbie after all. It's kind of sad.
I have never felt like we were ever just town working together in a game.
Well I tried very hard yesterday.
But then it turns out I am mafia ;(;(;(;(
Not that hard, you snapped pretty quickly, and I felt like I had to leave the thread to prevent shit just devolving again.
On June 01 2023 16:10 marvellosity wrote: I’m genuinely not doing any work here. I won’t be alive to worry about it, you will.
It can be any if the 3 of you. It can be Chez but it also can’t. It can be Slam for turning on me repeatedly despite saying he’d never lynch me. It can be you.
But no need to worry.
If it turns out you are town, then I will deal with it then. But I really don't think that is the case.
On June 01 2023 16:05 DarthPunk wrote: I am really sad that it feels to me when we play, we end up inevitably at odds with each other. I wonder why that is the case?
You were my coach in my first newbie after all. It's kind of sad.
I have never felt like we were ever just town working together in a game.
Well I tried very hard yesterday.
But then it turns out I am mafia ;(;(;(;(
Not that hard, you snapped pretty quickly, and I felt like I had to leave the thread to prevent shit just devolving again.
On May 31 2023 08:34 Chezinu wrote: TTT be saying Marv mafia since early filter.
Hasn’t he just?
I really hope you can find scum and show me you are town today marv, because it is hard to believe right now.
Are you serious? I thought we truced this shit till tomorrow.
Yes fine, im cheering for you.
Well if this is your attitude now, then I don’t even look, I happily take the 1 to 1 trade with you. And if that loses town the game it’s your attitude right now that’s done it.
On June 01 2023 18:23 marvellosity wrote: I sort of assume there is a cop because of VE’s claim (I again assume third maf - let’s say me - is gf, hence that particular claim)
On June 01 2023 18:28 marvellosity wrote: Yeah, there doesn’t have to be. But given I am mafia, I know that would be the reasoning VE used for that particular claim.
Well at this point I think it's Chez more likely than Slam.
There is some spew from LS where he tries to get Chez to post his seal and chez won't do it. I'm not sure why LS would want chez to confirm himself as mafia in that spot.
I can see a world where Chez is Mafia and LS wants Chez to just confirm himself to a free win.
I have town read slam most of the game and his thinking kind of made sense all the time. I view his hard town read on you last night as an attempt to WIFOM the night kill and it is actually a crazy good play if you think about it. If I am scum then Slam draws a shot potentially, if you are scum, maybe, you DON'T shoot him when you would otherwise.
There is some other stuff with Chez calling me mafia most of the game or sus and then voting with me to lynch you still.
So at this point, if it's not you (unlikely) then it is chez.
On June 01 2023 19:19 marvellosity wrote: Yeah so I had 1 question each about Slam and Chez.
Slam: why does he keep hard townreading me then voting to lynch me
Chez: and this may be important why does he keep soft pushing TTT’s slot? Read his filter (doesn’t take long) and there are a few instances of this. Why would mafia do it? Because after I’m done they still need one more mislynch. One of the reasons I am trying so hard to shut the TTT option down.
Also, DP, you don’t have to keep saying I am mafia. I will happily assume that while we are talking about the game that you think I’m mafia. I’m at peace with it.
With slam I think its because you look really bad, granted if you are town this wouldn't make sense to you.
Ill look into that chez stuff.
As to the final point. Its more for the others to not get strange ideas. But ill tone it down to be polite.
Best trolls forever? Even if DP and TTT challenge us?
This offer tempts me,
But I am much in the way of wanting to win overall... I feel I want to make a name for trollkind
That we can be an asset, and not just liabilities. In a way you have done this; I want to further that.
If we can do it together, let us do so
If betrayal is required, Be aware that I will go so far...
What are your thoughts right now slam?
"I am very tired after a long drive and I hope it is just marv even though that would make me look stupid. And my wide ass phone keeps screwing with my typing ton8ght, probably because tired. I hope it is just Marv."
On May 27 2023 01:55 LightningStrike wrote: TTT is town he actually thinking about the game although in a different manner but at least he trying to get solid reads for himself and move the thread a bit. Onegu is null leaning town? As town he is proud of his reads even on Day 1 and did try to get Rayn to follow him on VE Day 1 before he disappeared. Chez is null I didn't like how he pretty much RNG his vote between MZ and Vivax (both flipped town) but outside of that he been pretty trolly at parts like I remember him doing as town. Slam is null he being a bit more serious than i ever remember i don't know if it's alignment indicative or not but he also being weird towards Chez which idk what to make of it. DP is mafia he been tunneling me all game and refused to reevaluate in fact he did this:
On May 26 2023 12:24 DarthPunk wrote: LS why do you think Koshi was killed?
for why I thought Koshi was killed when I posted why I thought he was killed. here:
On May 26 2023 11:41 LightningStrike wrote: First off what. Second of all the fuck. Not only we lynched the doctor but the Vig got shot and shot the other wagon to the doctor lynch and they were town w t f..........
Koshi said:
On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote: That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.
Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.
Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first.
Which means that he thinks there is at least 1 or more mafia on the Vivax wagon Look at here:
On May 25 2023 18:28 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:26 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:20 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote: Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that.
Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch.
And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake.
What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip.
I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already.
Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive.
I think you could be mafia. I will never make a case on you. I will yell all future days that I think you are mafia. I will never respect any read you make this game.
I think this is why Koshi was shot he thinks DP is a mafia on the Vivax wagon (which he did think 2 or all 3 mafia there)
Which he did reply to my post here:
On May 26 2023 11:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 26 2023 11:41 LightningStrike wrote: First off what. Second of all the fuck. Not only we lynched the doctor but the Vig got shot and shot the other wagon to the doctor lynch and they were town w t f..........
Koshi said:
On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote: That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.
Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.
Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first.
Which means that he thinks there is at least 1 or more mafia on the Vivax wagon Look at here:
On May 25 2023 18:28 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:26 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:20 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote: Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that.
Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch.
And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake.
What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip.
I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already.
Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive.
I think you could be mafia. I will never make a case on you. I will yell all future days that I think you are mafia. I will never respect any read you make this game.
I think this is why Koshi was shot he thinks DP is a mafia on the Vivax wagon (which he did think 2 or all 3 mafia there)
You realize that both wagons being town substantially changes things, right?
dmb is mafia she went balls to walls on Vivax starting here:
On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote: It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them.
and continued here:
On May 23 2023 19:51 die_meatbaby wrote: Vivax are you scared to write something?
and tried to act confident on lynching him here:
On May 23 2023 20:12 die_meatbaby wrote:
On May 23 2023 20:08 Vivax wrote:
On May 23 2023 20:01 DarthPunk wrote: Vivax has your friend played previously?
She wrote that she didn't ಠ_ಠ
I explained a bunch of basics pre-game, mostly what is cheating and whatnot and how to avoid it, but I'd wager she's rather clueless about what to do at all at this point.
Also I assume most of her posts about me by now are teases.
I have no read on rayn at this point. In case you thought the short-breathed thing still held any relevance.
I think at this point your are just scared to be voted out on the first day
Remeber playing Poker with me? You will lose no matter which game you play with me and that you are def. mafia it makes it easier for me too
she continued for several posts and then later posted this gem:
On May 24 2023 07:28 die_meatbaby wrote:
On May 24 2023 06:33 Koshi wrote: Like you said marv is getting attacked because x people pressured him because theybdont want to lose against mafia!marv again. Who are those people and do you now read them town? Sharing is caring and can help us read you better.
Sentinel // don´t know, too less writing from him since we started Alakasla // same as sentinel Chezinu // seems like town 4) Vivax // mafia 5) LightningStrike // pretty shure town 6) DarthPunk // not quiet shure yet 7) Onegu // also not shure 8) Koshi // def. town 10) raynpelikoneet // Mafia 11) Meapak_Ziphh // also i think town for right know 12) marvellosity // town (could chance depends on his next posts) 13) VisceraEyes // town
But as you said you can lose the game perfectly with out me
When Onegu, Chez, and Sent haven't posted in the thread (Sent being replaced later on in Night 1) as well wanted to lynch Onegu for being lurker (When more likely could of been modkilled or replaced if he haven't posted heck there were several people who weren't in the game when she voted Onegu.) In fact she also tried to push marv out of fear of him being mafia even though she was super paranoid of his scum game? She ended up voting Vivax and had her vote stay there thus we lynched Vivax. I think she is stuck now after that lynch because she is mafia who is running out of options. Rayn is town he didn't try to do any sort of trap play like he did in XXX night of debauchery and been actively solving the game in a way I expected him to as town. Marv is town I know he was given a bunch of shit but he would of had only 2 page filter as mafia at this point knowing him and how I dealt with mafia Marv but he been trying to solve the game whenever he was around through his own methods. VE is null yes he improved a bit after my initial reads post but then he lynched the doctor Day 1 idk if I feel about him after that.
On June 03 2023 11:14 Chezinu wrote: Go ahead Darth, take your best shot. One man once said it is better to win than live. Is this a game of winning or survival?
Well played SLAM. This was a really great nostalgia kick to be involved in a game here with you all again, although I felt rusty as hell, it was good fun.
On June 05 2023 12:40 DarthPunk wrote: Well played SLAM. This was a really great nostalgia kick to be involved in a game here with you all again, although I felt rusty as hell, it was good fun.
Except for the fact that somehow I always end up fighting with marv in every game, even when we are town or mafia together.
On June 06 2023 19:18 TankTopTiger wrote: I'd be down to play again too. DP you play again at your own risk, I get the feel your SI does not like the competition for your attention.
EPT
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