TL Endures Mafia - Page 14

idk why he should do that?

Killing Koshi kind of works here, but like... DP started the bus (if that's what it is) when there was no real lynch candidate (aside from mebaby). I don't think it's the correct play there as mafia, since there is no way to predict where the thread sentiment for town ends up on.

In that team though, DP might assess that LS is slipping and take the decision to start bussing early. Something I have done multiple times in scum games (when I used to win all the time)

marvellosity

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May 26 2023 14:42 GMT

#1765

On May 26 2023 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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Yes start of D2.

No I’m saying if it’s a bus of course his push on LS is the one thing that looks good. See what I mean?

marvellosity

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May 26 2023 14:44 GMT

#1767

On May 26 2023 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like his D2 reaction to LS post is possible for being a bus.

His D1 doubt and soft bus on LS is not really, in my eyes. Like i would not do that if i was mafia with LS.

And that’s the counter argument.

Just to be clear to everyone else, I am not looking to lynch anyone on this sort of conjecture. I am just trying to hash out what is plausible as a play.

marvellosity

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May 26 2023 14:47 GMT

#1768

On May 26 2023 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote:

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Isn't there, rayn? Isn't there? I seem to recall someone being able to predict where thread sentiment was heading YESTERDAY, when someone led the lynch from MZ to the DOCTOR, and I don't even have extra info. You think that someone with extra info would be unable to not only better sense thread sentiment, but be in a position to manipulate it?

Like...I've been pretty townie on DP but clearing him because he tried tried to lynch someone "when there is no lynch candidate" feels.....again, like you're being intentionally obtuse. It feels like I'm playing with rayn ON HIS FIRST EVER GAME. AWWWWWWW NEWBIE RAYN!!!!

What are you actually trying to say here?

marvellosity

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May 26 2023 14:49 GMT

#1770

On May 26 2023 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gimme a sec marv, gonna buy some beer real quick

I’m gonna do some work. My promised day of inactivity hasn’t gone well

marvellosity

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May 26 2023 16:14 GMT

#1778

On May 27 2023 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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I dont believe in that, sorry.

Fair enough. Fortunately not something we need to be agreeing on!

marvellosity

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May 26 2023 16:31 GMT

#1781

VE who are you feeling for lynch today?

marvellosity

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May 26 2023 17:31 GMT

#1793

Why would supporting you on Vivax lynch make DP more townie?

marvellosity

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May 26 2023 18:10 GMT

#1799

On May 27 2023 03:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's mean, it was actually MARV'S townie MZ lynch. rayn just added his vote and authority to it.

I'm about tired of being called bad for establishing myself as innocent and getting the person lynched who I thought was the most mafia. Yall can suck the BIGGEST dick.

I haven’t called you bad. But you haven’t established yourself as innocent either.

marvellosity

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May 26 2023 18:29 GMT

#1804

Chez, why Onegu?

marvellosity

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May 26 2023 19:52 GMT

#1806

I’ve asked this in a million games, but I may as well ask you VE. I struggle with players like Chez, is there anything that can be done to determine alignment? I can just never find common ground where i can start to understand…

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 00:00 GMT

#1848

On May 27 2023 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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I keep going back to this because i can't understand why (especially) a newbie makes this post with having LS as town when at this point LS has both of her scumreads as town.

Do you want to revisit DMB today rayn?

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 00:03 GMT

#1851

On May 27 2023 09:00 marvellosity wrote:

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Do you want to revisit DMB today rayn?

I sort of think with all the host stuff about not knowing how the setup works it’s borderline… um… “unbelievably unsportsmanlike” if DMB is not town

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 00:05 GMT

#1853

On May 27 2023 08:24 VisceraEyes wrote:

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On May 27 2023 08:20 die_meatbaby wrote:

On May 27 2023 07:56 die_meatbaby wrote:

On May 27 2023 01:55 LightningStrike wrote:
TTT is town he actually thinking about the game although in a different manner but at least he trying to get solid reads for himself and move the thread a bit.
Onegu is null leaning town? As town he is proud of his reads even on Day 1 and did try to get Rayn to follow him on VE Day 1 before he disappeared.
Chez is null I didn't like how he pretty much RNG his vote between MZ and Vivax (both flipped town) but outside of that he been pretty trolly at parts like I remember him doing as town.
Slam is null he being a bit more serious than i ever remember i don't know if it's alignment indicative or not but he also being weird towards Chez which idk what to make of it.
DP is mafia he been tunneling me all game and refused to reevaluate in fact he did this:

On May 26 2023 12:24 DarthPunk wrote:
LS why do you think Koshi was killed?

for why I thought Koshi was killed when I posted why I thought he was killed. here:

On May 26 2023 11:41 LightningStrike wrote:
First off what. Second of all the fuck. Not only we lynched the doctor but the Vig got shot and shot the other wagon to the doctor lynch and they were town w t f..........

Koshi said:

On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote:
That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.

Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.

Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first.

Which means that he thinks there is at least 1 or more mafia on the Vivax wagon
Look at here:

On May 25 2023 18:28 Koshi wrote:

On May 25 2023 18:26 DarthPunk wrote:

On May 25 2023 18:20 Koshi wrote:

On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote:
Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that.

Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch.

And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake.

What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip.

I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already.

Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive.

I think you could be mafia.
I will never make a case on you.
I will yell all future days that I think you are mafia.
I will never respect any read you make this game.

I think this is why Koshi was shot he thinks DP is a mafia on the Vivax wagon (which he did think 2 or all 3 mafia there)

Which he did reply to my post here:

On May 26 2023 11:46 DarthPunk wrote:

Which means that he thinks there is at least 1 or more mafia on the Vivax wagon
Look at here:

On May 25 2023 18:28 Koshi wrote:

On May 25 2023 18:26 DarthPunk wrote:

On May 25 2023 18:20 Koshi wrote:

On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote:
Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that.

Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch.

And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake.

I think you could be mafia.
I will never make a case on you.
I will yell all future days that I think you are mafia.
I will never respect any read you make this game.

I think this is why Koshi was shot he thinks DP is a mafia on the Vivax wagon (which he did think 2 or all 3 mafia there)

You realize that both wagons being town substantially changes things, right?

dmb is mafia she went balls to walls on Vivax starting here:

On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote:
It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them.

and continued here:

On May 23 2023 19:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
Vivax are you scared to write something?

and tried to act confident on lynching him here:

On May 23 2023 20:12 die_meatbaby wrote:

On May 23 2023 20:08 Vivax wrote:

On May 23 2023 20:01 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax has your friend played previously?

She wrote that she didn't ಠ_ಠ

I explained a bunch of basics pre-game, mostly what is cheating and whatnot and how to avoid it, but I'd wager she's rather clueless about what to do at all at this point.

Also I assume most of her posts about me by now are teases.

I have no read on rayn at this point. In case you thought the short-breathed thing still held any relevance.

I think at this point your are just scared to be voted out on the first day

Remeber playing Poker with me? You will lose no matter which game you play with me and that you are def. mafia it makes it easier for me too

she continued for several posts and then later posted this gem:

On May 24 2023 07:28 die_meatbaby wrote:

On May 24 2023 06:33 Koshi wrote:
Like you said marv is getting attacked because x people pressured him because theybdont want to lose against mafia!marv again. Who are those people and do you now read them town?
Sharing is caring and can help us read you better.

Sentinel // don´t know, too less writing from him since we started
Alakasla // same as sentinel
Chezinu // seems like town
4) Vivax // mafia
5) LightningStrike // pretty shure town
6) DarthPunk // not quiet shure yet
7) Onegu // also not shure
8) Koshi // def. town
10) raynpelikoneet // Mafia
11) Meapak_Ziphh // also i think town for right know
12) marvellosity // town (could chance depends on his next posts)
13) VisceraEyes // town

But as you said you can lose the game perfectly with out me

When Onegu, Chez, and Sent haven't posted in the thread (Sent being replaced later on in Night 1)
as well wanted to lynch Onegu for being lurker (When more likely could of been modkilled or replaced if he haven't posted heck there were several people who weren't in the game when she voted Onegu.) In fact she also tried to push marv out of fear of him being mafia even though she was super paranoid of his scum game? She ended up voting Vivax and had her vote stay there thus we lynched Vivax. I think she is stuck now after that lynch because she is mafia who is running out of options.
Rayn is town he didn't try to do any sort of trap play like he did in XXX night of debauchery and been actively solving the game in a way I expected him to as town.
Marv is town I know he was given a bunch of shit but he would of had only 2 page filter as mafia at this point knowing him and how I dealt with mafia Marv but he been trying to solve the game whenever he was around through his own methods.
VE is null yes he improved a bit after my initial reads post but then he lynched the doctor Day 1 idk if I feel about him after that.

First of all sorry for being so inactive was celebrating my bd and had to work with hangover.

At the begining i made two mistake, First one was considering of privat thoughts that V is mafia. Already told why and i am sorry for that was a big mistake. Can explain again if you want to.
Second mistake i went was this list. Did´t check it perfectly as i should.
Third thing was I didn´t know that the roles get automaticly to the players and that they are not selced. So for me was the message Your are Vanilla Town like 100 % sure.
I am sorry for not knowing that, so I was writing here with so much conifdence because of that I thought you all know that the newbe only can be town... Big mistake as well

For now i make a new list with my thoughts
1) TankTopTiger
Town, because he came here and the way he writes and thinks is like other than the other players here but makes me sure for Town.
2) Alakaslam
No opinen right now, but more like town
3) Chezinu
Town
4) Vivax lynched day 1.
Sorry baby for voting on you for privat thoughts
5) LightningStrike
Town (for now)
6) DarthPunk
Could be mafia. Maybe him or marv but not both. They are not in the same boat
7) Onegu
not activ, what should I say about it
8) Koshi killed night 1
sorry but told he is town
9) die_meatbaby
doesn´t matter because you all have to make your own opinen about me, even if it seems bad for me right now
10) raynpelikoneet
def Mafia
At the D1 i was writing V and you are Mafia. You where pissed and tried to protect your self. Few hours before the voting was ending. I made a post where I said I would change my mind on you but not on V. After this you made an fucking importent and smart post.
"Onegu is perfoming to strong for being Town and Vivax is to less paronied for being Town."
This changed like everything. I was pointing out that you where just writing my thougths of V. THAT WAS MY ONLY REASON OF THINKING V WAS M (big mistake and sorry for all my Townies. I learn from mistake. Thats life) I didn´t want to leek a private thing about that Paronied stuff of V. At this point VE was tryieng to get votes on V only on V. This makes me so fucking suspicious. Like this was a perfectly played move from you and VE. Just amzing. At this point after Voting I just saw what you two where doeing here. The fact that you two played this so perfectly fascinated me. Atm I realesd with how much effort you all play and how fucking accurate i have to be here. How accurate i should read the posts here. This game is def. more harder than I ever thought. This point made me realse that I shouldn´t just write my thoughts. I have do do more. Have to think things more through than I ever did in my life.
11) Meapak_Ziphh killed night 1
Sorry for saying you where m
12) marvellosity
Also could be both he write in like a save way but wouldn´t vote on him right know not sure if he is with VE and Rayn in the MPG (Mafia Pussy Gang)
13) VisceraEyes
1000000% Mafia. Like nothing else. On D1 one I did make a list like this in made mistake because of not controlling everything and didn´t put much efford in it. Mistakes make people seem like mafia. Big mistake from me again. He answering on Koshi who where on this point like i am mafia and i already got 3 votes on me at this point on my first day, also birthday and first game. He tried to protect me. for Towns who thought of mafia on me. He got weak. He had compassion on me. Wrote under my post "Guys you can´t make vote on this..." Still thanks for protecting me at this moment, because as mafia you realized what beginner mistake I did and had pity on me. Nice but big mistake from you. protecting a new girl is nice but still not good for you Mafiastatus

@raynpelikoneet @VisceraEyes I would like to see a anwer from both of you

I think you should be voting for Chezinu instead of me. That's my answer. You literally didn't have anything for me to respond to.

Ahhhhh but why is Chez the best lynch out of everyone left

I don’t like it!

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 00:08 GMT

#1856

On May 27 2023 08:26 TankTopTiger wrote:

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This is I think a place I can make my perspective clearer.

I acknowledge that people respect you four, but that doesn't mean I respect your authority. I'm not here to fall in line, I don't see that as playing the game at all. So I can be aware of the influence you people have while being dismissive of accepting that influence myself. So basically, if you want to change my mind, it needs to be because of what you say, not who you are.

In my mind it's actually insane how much people sheep considering that alignment is RNGed at the start of the game.

I don’t want you to accept my authority (I really don’t), I just want you to see that I’m really trying to solve the game. And, even though I still don’t really know who I’m lynching tomorrow, if you read my filter I’d be super surprised that you don’t think I’m trying to figure out the game.

I read and evaluate any case that’s made here. If you got a scorcher, I’m all ears

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 00:10 GMT

#1858

By the way, and I don’t think this fairly obvious point has been made yet?

Vivax is a terrible day 1 lynch if his filter is okay, as if he is mafia bud filter is gonna quickly deteriorate. If VE is town, lynching Vivax D1 is a huge blunder.

If VE is mafia, lynching Vivax day 1 is the only chance he’s gonna get…

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 00:12 GMT

#1859

Afk again, sorry for the hit and run

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 01:26 GMT

#1886

On May 27 2023 09:43 TankTopTiger wrote:
I don't think redDP hammers the vote D1 if redVE led it.

When MB talked about the host assigning roles, people told them it was RNG. But Marv said it would be unsportsmanlike to make MB red.

I work under the assumption that they use RNG, but then probably veto particularly unbalanced results. Is that a fair assessment?

No that’s not what I said - what I said was DMB’s ignorance of the game mechanics makes her town, unless she is playing really dirty with that. Which I hope is not the case.