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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2023 11:19 GMT
#1655
So it was either a shot on Koshi to protect DP/VE from his wrath, as like you say a town/town Koshi/DP fight is great for mafia.

Or it could simply be they thought Koshi was the least lynchable - why Koshi over you as well?

Simplest explanation is Koshi most right and therefore most dangerous?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2023 11:21 GMT
#1657
On May 26 2023 20:19 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2023 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 26 2023 19:59 marvellosity wrote:
On May 26 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv why do you think Koshi was shot?

I have nothing but wifom.

Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig.

My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target.

But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him

Like i get you werent shot because you are likely pushing MZ lynched all day 2. Although shooting you pretty much would do the same thing..

Something at least i haven't considered (strongly at all) is DP and VE. Which Koshi did at various times.

Koshi MO says all day 2 is shitfight with DP. Why is that not beneficial for mafia if DP is town? I wouldn't trust myself talking Koshi out of that tilt.


Wifom pretty much. Koshi dying after that fight makes me look pretty bad.

Or (again I understand this is still v speculative) do you as a mafia team think that town will think it’s unlikely you will hit Koshi when you are trying to attack and discredit him
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2023 11:23 GMT
#1659
All NK analysis is wifom-y but not all wifom is equal. I won a 3p Lylo as town once where the other townie came into the last day sure I was mafia, and I managed to convince them otherwise based on NK.

There are still probabilities and motivations to consider
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2023 11:31 GMT
#1663
rayn, sorry to be lazy here but work + phone is rubbish for filter diving.

Do we actually know VE’s opinion on people or was it just Vivax? I remember him saying MZ ‘townishesque’ but I can’t remember any of his other posts in last 24h.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2023 11:32 GMT
#1664
Problem with TTT is it’s so hard to fit him into any scheme we he didn’t exist in d1. Frustrating
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2023 11:33 GMT
#1665
We/as
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2023 11:35 GMT
#1668
On May 26 2023 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2023 20:32 marvellosity wrote:
Problem with TTT is it’s so hard to fit him into any scheme we he didn’t exist in d1. Frustrating

Biggest point is he never wanted to figure out Meapak's alignemtn, which should be the first thing to do if you join this game N1. And it's a really big point.

Yes it is.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2023 11:43 GMT
#1670
On May 26 2023 20:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2023 20:21 marvellosity wrote:
On May 26 2023 20:19 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 26 2023 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 26 2023 19:59 marvellosity wrote:
On May 26 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv why do you think Koshi was shot?

I have nothing but wifom.

Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig.

My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target.

But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him

Like i get you werent shot because you are likely pushing MZ lynched all day 2. Although shooting you pretty much would do the same thing..

Something at least i haven't considered (strongly at all) is DP and VE. Which Koshi did at various times.

Koshi MO says all day 2 is shitfight with DP. Why is that not beneficial for mafia if DP is town? I wouldn't trust myself talking Koshi out of that tilt.


Wifom pretty much. Koshi dying after that fight makes me look pretty bad.

Or (again I understand this is still v speculative) do you as a mafia team think that town will think it’s unlikely you will hit Koshi when you are trying to attack and discredit him


Do you seriously want me to answer this? Because I can't

Well, the fact you can’t answer it (nor should you) is what invalidates your point about it making you look bad.

Anyway, VE? Thoughts? (Sorry if I missed a recent post)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2023 11:47 GMT
#1674
On May 26 2023 20:45 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2023 20:43 marvellosity wrote:
On May 26 2023 20:41 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 26 2023 20:21 marvellosity wrote:
On May 26 2023 20:19 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 26 2023 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 26 2023 19:59 marvellosity wrote:
On May 26 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv why do you think Koshi was shot?

I have nothing but wifom.

Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig.

My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target.

But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him

Like i get you werent shot because you are likely pushing MZ lynched all day 2. Although shooting you pretty much would do the same thing..

Something at least i haven't considered (strongly at all) is DP and VE. Which Koshi did at various times.

Koshi MO says all day 2 is shitfight with DP. Why is that not beneficial for mafia if DP is town? I wouldn't trust myself talking Koshi out of that tilt.


Wifom pretty much. Koshi dying after that fight makes me look pretty bad.

Or (again I understand this is still v speculative) do you as a mafia team think that town will think it’s unlikely you will hit Koshi when you are trying to attack and discredit him


Do you seriously want me to answer this? Because I can't

Well, the fact you can’t answer it (nor should you) is what invalidates your point about it making you look bad.

Anyway, VE? Thoughts? (Sorry if I missed a recent post)


It doesn't invalidate it; I do look bad. the fact that I am having conversations in which I am hypothetically in the mafia team proves as much.

Rather you answered the VE bit
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2023 12:19 GMT
#1685
DP - VE?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2023 12:43 GMT
#1695
It is useful information though
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2023 13:12 GMT
#1709
rayn, the meta on TTT does make a difference though. It puts something nuts (his initial direction) into an understandable context.

I’m not saying it gives him a pass, but it does at least provide a counter argument. Sort of makes his stubbornness towards me make sense as well.

Looking forward to what he does for the rest of the day
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2023 14:03 GMT
#1741
On May 26 2023 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2023 22:12 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, the meta on TTT does make a difference though. It puts something nuts (his initial direction) into an understandable context.

I’m not saying it gives him a pass, but it does at least provide a counter argument. Sort of makes his stubbornness towards me make sense as well.

Looking forward to what he does for the rest of the day

Did you look at the game? Can you confirm that is his meta? Like i have multiple time just straight out lied about soemone's meta as mafia and noone has held me accountable for it because it is ME thinking THAT, and noone else. Same as DP's meta on him, even if DP is town does it hold water? Can you even count on it if you cannot check as it's only one game?

You know I haven’t looked at the game lol
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2023 14:08 GMT
#1742
On May 26 2023 23:00 Alakaslam wrote:
Rayn I think Chezinu is softing a check of sorts that implicates 1gu

Don’t we have parity cop? There is no info N1
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2023 14:13 GMT
#1745
On May 26 2023 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
On May 26 2023 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 26 2023 22:12 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, the meta on TTT does make a difference though. It puts something nuts (his initial direction) into an understandable context.

I’m not saying it gives him a pass, but it does at least provide a counter argument. Sort of makes his stubbornness towards me make sense as well.

Looking forward to what he does for the rest of the day

Did you look at the game? Can you confirm that is his meta? Like i have multiple time just straight out lied about soemone's meta as mafia and noone has held me accountable for it because it is ME thinking THAT, and noone else. Same as DP's meta on him, even if DP is town does it hold water? Can you even count on it if you cannot check as it's only one game?

You know I haven’t looked at the game lol

then why do you say it's a point to consider

Well I remember the name so I assume someone can check it quite easily?

I sort of assume people won’t lie about something verifiable (yes I’m aware we’ve had a big discussion with DMB regarding this this game, but still.)

If/when I get to a pc tomorrow I’ll try search it out.

PS I don’t disagree with any of your analysis, the question is if it makes him maf and not town being very weird. The fact you or I may do specific (and obvious) things when subbing in doesn’t mean everyone will do that - they are obvious to us but not necessarily to people not-us. And yes I am being kind
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2023 14:19 GMT
#1748
On May 26 2023 23:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Being kind is what loses games as town, or as mafia.

I am not saying DP is lying, i am saying it is not necessarily the truth even if he know TTT the best irl. Lying or not. Meta fucks you up at times. And here we have actual reasons for suspecting him as mafia.

Very much not giving him a pass either way so don’t worry
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2023 14:29 GMT
#1751
On May 26 2023 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How are you on DP's responses this phase marv and Slam?

Oddly I am out walking and I have just been thinking about exactly that. I would like to go back and reread at a better time for me though.

First thought was that he generally held up quite well and stuck around for several pages with just me, you, him… can’t be that easy as mafia. Having said that DP is good enough to pull this off.
I’m assuming the meta on TTT is fair enough but is almost NAI regardless of combinations of alignments.

Something that stuck in my mind was how difficult it was to talk about VE and how quickly the conversation turned to something else.

If I think about it another way - would I be more or less surprised if DP was suddenly flipped mafia right now than I was 24h ago? The dial on that hasn’t moved that much.

What do you think?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2023 14:32 GMT
#1752
rayn, we need to try hard to work out LS alignment here as well I feel.

Is he the next mafia mislynch?

Or is he the scum liability = bus him early and look good?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2023 14:36 GMT
#1757
On May 26 2023 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
From OTHERS point of view, noone else than DP has really put anything on LS. If he was easy mafia mislynch, why aren't they doing so (if DP is town)?

Haven’t needed to yet - MZ and Vivax both town
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2023 14:37 GMT
#1758
On May 26 2023 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i am even entertaining to lynch LS just because if he flips mafia then i don't have to think about DP anymore. I don't think he is bussing.

I don’t agree, if they are both maf I can absolutely see him bussing. Why do you think otherwise?
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