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On May 26 2023 15:30 marvellosity wrote:
Just fair warning, the next day (24h or so) are going to be pretty inactive for life reasons. But should have more time on Saturday.
Stuff I want to look at is who didn’t treat their vote preciously D1 because it didn’t matter?
And maybe players in the night phase whose behaviour suggested they already knew MZ was town (TTT, maybe DP?)
What do you think my alignment is marv?
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On May 26 2023 16:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 15:40 DarthPunk wrote:On May 26 2023 15:30 marvellosity wrote:
Just fair warning, the next day (24h or so) are going to be pretty inactive for life reasons. But should have more time on Saturday.
Stuff I want to look at is who didn’t treat their vote preciously D1 because it didn’t matter?
And maybe players in the night phase whose behaviour suggested they already knew MZ was town (TTT, maybe DP?) What do you think my alignment is marv? Obviously up for debate, which I think you could have figured out
Sure, but what would you lean towards?
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On May 26 2023 16:06 Chezinu wrote:
Guys, I r special.
Slam is innocent.
lol , really?
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On May 26 2023 16:22 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 16:14 DarthPunk wrote:On May 26 2023 16:02 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2023 15:40 DarthPunk wrote:On May 26 2023 15:30 marvellosity wrote:
Just fair warning, the next day (24h or so) are going to be pretty inactive for life reasons. But should have more time on Saturday.
Stuff I want to look at is who didn’t treat their vote preciously D1 because it didn’t matter?
And maybe players in the night phase whose behaviour suggested they already knew MZ was town (TTT, maybe DP?) What do you think my alignment is marv? Obviously up for debate, which I think you could have figured out Sure, but what would you lean towards? Why does that matter? I don’t need to try to define exactly where I stand rn, just that I’m unsure. The Koshi stuff during the night was all very weird, you made some big posts and a lot of reasons why he was being scummy but none of them made sense to me. In hindsight, how do you feel about those posts? PS going into work now (first reason for inactivity - 95% of the time I WFH but having a team day today)
Obviously, he was not mafia. I was tilted and annoyed and I thought his posting was bad for all the reasons I outlined. He looked better again after his posts with TTT and after I had slept off the emotional response.
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On May 26 2023 16:36 Alakaslam wrote:If what I suspect is true though there is no hope We can lynch him but we will never find his partners + Show Spoiler [religious yammerings] +Romans
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Ecclesiasticus
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what do you suspect to be true?
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On May 26 2023 17:33 TankTopTiger wrote:
@DP & VE
You mentioned the vig shot was bad for town, can you spell that out for me? I see it differently.
In a work where mz was scum we would have a lot more information and progress in the game, the wagon was close and a scum! Mz would have probably revealed some truths about alignments.
As it stands, mafia didn’t care about the lynch and therefore we have very Little information based on voting patterns
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On May 26 2023 17:45 TankTopTiger wrote:
And that's what you think VE thinks?
Why would VE and you (who were both tied to the train that saved MZ) want MZ to be mafia? Wouldn't that guarantee you guys are in more trouble than you currently are? The progress that would be made would be against you.
Am I missing something? Eli5 please.
Well for me it would just make things easier. It would make it easier to find scum on the vivax wagon because i am town and I know that some scum are on that wagon so Poe.
Reverse for ve I imagine.
The game isn’t actually about survival, it’s about finding mafia before time runs out.
What do you think of my and ve’s alignment?
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On May 26 2023 19:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 17:36 DarthPunk wrote:On May 26 2023 17:33 TankTopTiger wrote:
@DP & VE
You mentioned the vig shot was bad for town, can you spell that out for me? I see it differently. In a work where mz was scum we would have a lot more information and progress in the game, the wagon was close and a scum! Mz would have probably revealed some truths about alignments. As it stands, mafia didn’t care about the lynch and therefore we have very Little information based on voting patterns Yes, that’s why I think we need to look at who really cared about their vote - ie did not know alignments. Did Chez, Onegu, LS?
I have some thoughts, but I want to write a big post.
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On May 26 2023 11:41 LightningStrike wrote:First off what. Second of all the fuck. Not only we lynched the doctor but the Vig got shot and shot the other wagon to the doctor lynch and they were town w t f.......... Koshi said: Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote:
That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.
Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.
Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first. Which means that he thinks there is at least 1 or more mafia on the Vivax wagon Look at here: Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 18:28 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:26 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:20 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote:
Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that. Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch. And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake. What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip. I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already. Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive. I think you could be mafia. I will never make a case on you. I will yell all future days that I think you are mafia. I will never respect any read you make this game. I think this is why Koshi was shot he thinks DP is a mafia on the Vivax wagon (which he did think 2 or all 3 mafia there)
This post felt really bad btw, the fake outrage at the top. I get that if he was invested in the game but I read his whole filter in 2 minutes and its clearly not the case.
This screams disingenuous to me.
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On May 26 2023 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 19:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv why do you think Koshi was shot? I have nothing but wifom. Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig. My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target. But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him Like i get you werent shot because you are likely pushing MZ lynched all day 2. Although shooting you pretty much would do the same thing.. Something at least i haven't considered (strongly at all) is DP and VE. Which Koshi did at various times. Koshi MO says all day 2 is shitfight with DP. Why is that not beneficial for mafia if DP is town? I wouldn't trust myself talking Koshi out of that tilt.
Wifom pretty much. Koshi dying after that fight makes me look pretty bad.
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On May 26 2023 20:19 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 26 2023 19:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv why do you think Koshi was shot? I have nothing but wifom. Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig. My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target. But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him Like i get you werent shot because you are likely pushing MZ lynched all day 2. Although shooting you pretty much would do the same thing.. Something at least i haven't considered (strongly at all) is DP and VE. Which Koshi did at various times. Koshi MO says all day 2 is shitfight with DP. Why is that not beneficial for mafia if DP is town? I wouldn't trust myself talking Koshi out of that tilt. Wifom pretty much. Koshi dying after that fight makes me look pretty bad.
And the fact that LS jumped straight in the thread to prod in that direction pretty much confirms it for me. But of course, he back tracked that after the smallest amount of pressure.
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On May 26 2023 20:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 20:19 DarthPunk wrote:On May 26 2023 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 26 2023 19:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv why do you think Koshi was shot? I have nothing but wifom. Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig. My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target. But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him Like i get you werent shot because you are likely pushing MZ lynched all day 2. Although shooting you pretty much would do the same thing.. Something at least i haven't considered (strongly at all) is DP and VE. Which Koshi did at various times. Koshi MO says all day 2 is shitfight with DP. Why is that not beneficial for mafia if DP is town? I wouldn't trust myself talking Koshi out of that tilt. Wifom pretty much. Koshi dying after that fight makes me look pretty bad. Or (again I understand this is still v speculative) do you as a mafia team think that town will think it’s unlikely you will hit Koshi when you are trying to attack and discredit him
Wifom.
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On May 26 2023 20:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 20:19 DarthPunk wrote:On May 26 2023 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 26 2023 19:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv why do you think Koshi was shot? I have nothing but wifom. Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig. My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target. But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him Like i get you werent shot because you are likely pushing MZ lynched all day 2. Although shooting you pretty much would do the same thing.. Something at least i haven't considered (strongly at all) is DP and VE. Which Koshi did at various times. Koshi MO says all day 2 is shitfight with DP. Why is that not beneficial for mafia if DP is town? I wouldn't trust myself talking Koshi out of that tilt. Wifom pretty much. Koshi dying after that fight makes me look pretty bad. Or (again I understand this is still v speculative) do you as a mafia team think that town will think it’s unlikely you will hit Koshi when you are trying to attack and discredit him
Do you seriously want me to answer this? Because I can't
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On May 26 2023 20:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 20:19 marvellosity wrote:
So it was either a shot on Koshi to protect DP/VE from his wrath, as like you say a town/town Koshi/DP fight is great for mafia.
Or it could simply be they thought Koshi was the least lynchable - why Koshi over you as well?
Simplest explanation is Koshi most right and therefore most dangerous? Yes Koshi must be MORE right on something at least. I can't think other options than DP/VE/mebaby.
My thoughts on this is that mafia was concerned that he was most likely to become right. Or they wanted to push a mislynch on to me. Im leaning towards a bit of both.
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On May 26 2023 20:43 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 20:41 DarthPunk wrote:On May 26 2023 20:21 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2023 20:19 DarthPunk wrote:On May 26 2023 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 26 2023 19:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv why do you think Koshi was shot? I have nothing but wifom. Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig. My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target. But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him Like i get you werent shot because you are likely pushing MZ lynched all day 2. Although shooting you pretty much would do the same thing.. Something at least i haven't considered (strongly at all) is DP and VE. Which Koshi did at various times. Koshi MO says all day 2 is shitfight with DP. Why is that not beneficial for mafia if DP is town? I wouldn't trust myself talking Koshi out of that tilt. Wifom pretty much. Koshi dying after that fight makes me look pretty bad. Or (again I understand this is still v speculative) do you as a mafia team think that town will think it’s unlikely you will hit Koshi when you are trying to attack and discredit him Do you seriously want me to answer this? Because I can't Well, the fact you can’t answer it (nor should you) is what invalidates your point about it making you look bad. Anyway, VE? Thoughts? (Sorry if I missed a recent post)
It doesn't invalidate it; I do look bad. the fact that I am having conversations in which I am hypothetically in the mafia team proves as much.
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On May 26 2023 20:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2023 09:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Yeah I think I've been hammered. GL guys, don't forget that (1) Vivax was runner up, please (2) look at Marv again, and don't let (3) LightningStrike/Onegu/DMP skate by with blatant anti town play.
Gonna enjoy my dinner in peace. Everyone who thinks this post is very townie farewell post needs to explain why. If i read correctly Slam and DP(?) at least thought so. Because: (1) Doesnt say anything. There is no reason at that point why Meapak and Vivax couldnt even be mafia together. They are voting each other because they have to, and neither of them is the engineer behind each other's lynch. (2) If Meapak flips mafia this says absolutely nothing because noone is gonna look at marv after Meapak flips mafia. IT's extremely safe thing to say in case Meapak is mafia so in retrospect it should not in itself be considered as townie. (3) Same thing here. If Meapak flips mafia, LS is 99% of the time town. The two other people are already under (at least some) suspicion so like once again, this doesn't give anything new and is just a really safe thing to say so noone's alignment is actually gonna get figured out. Like it's a meek post with no insight in Meapak is town, and exactly what Meapak would say as mafia to not give away any information. Darthpunk elaborate, please?
What do you want me to say, I thought the fact that he posted reads and gave up was relatable.
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On May 26 2023 20:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who was the other player besides slam saying Meapak farewell post is good? DP?
I didn;t say it was good I said it came across as genuine. Which it did to me and slam at least.
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On May 26 2023 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's really weak. Those weren't even reads.
It was about the tone, not the content.
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On May 26 2023 21:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you explain further why that "tone" comes from town rather than mafia?
Because their win condition is less reliant on survival. And he kind of sounded defeated, like he was sick of all these bads calling him mafia for no reason. I could relate.
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