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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 29 2023 02:53 GMT
#2506
On May 29 2023 11:33 TankTopTiger wrote:
Regarding Rayn being NKed night 1:
Kosh was mad AF and throwing fingers everywhere. Killing him creates opportunities for scum to martyr him for any one of his reads. Keep in mind, mafia could not have predicted that Koshi would vig MZ.

So as a mafia on day 1, I would be thinking that "if I kill Koshi, I get rid of a good player, I get casus belli for literally anyone on vivax's wagon AND on MZ. Furthermore if I'm Marv and I'm scum, I have also created a safe pocket for myself on the train that didn't lynch the doctor.

If I'm scuMarv, there is no way I NK Rayn, who is just my high-level bodyguard at this point, over Koshi who achieves everything I could ever want in an NK.

Will verify but this makes me trust you.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 29 2023 02:55 GMT
#2507
On May 29 2023 11:50 TankTopTiger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2023 11:44 Alakaslam wrote:
On May 29 2023 11:20 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2023 11:16 Alakaslam wrote:
On May 29 2023 11:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Well that NK point towards me.... At least I was right about my read on him.

Why?

I am not seeing how this NK implicates anyone, Rayn was so town it hurts and is the only one of us who has managed to actually catch scum

Like the team would then just let him live?

Pure WIFOM to think anything is implied by this NK other than "raynpelikoneet good"

Let's see in his last will he did say to lynch me today. Yes I do know he is a good player but why did he not get killed Night 1 then?

They were busy killing Koshi,

But this is a decent point in another way. Who did Koshi sus?

That could hold good info on finding the remaining scum. Because Rayn is a strong player (imo stronger than Koshi) and so is marv; why Koshi first? Unless it was a total snipe?

Actually what the hell I need to read it myself.

These blues dying early makes me wonder if some serious vet power is the scum.

Maybe not LS after all if this yields something.



Your process here (who did koshi sus?) is exactly what I predicted with my outline of why koshi died. Just sayin'.

Show nested quote +
On May 29 2023 11:33 TankTopTiger wrote:
Regarding Rayn being NKed night 1:
Kosh was mad AF and throwing fingers everywhere. Killing him creates opportunities for scum to martyr him for any one of his reads. Keep in mind, mafia could not have predicted that Koshi would vig MZ.

So as a mafia on day 1, I would be thinking that "if I kill Koshi, I get rid of a good player, I get casus belli for literally anyone on vivax's wagon AND on MZ. Furthermore if I'm Marv and I'm scum, I have also created a safe pocket for myself on the train that didn't lynch the doctor.

If I'm scuMarv, there is no way I NK Rayn, who is just my high-level bodyguard at this point, over Koshi who achieves everything I could ever want in an NK.


Heheheh

Fwiw I phone post always. To get around my fat thumbs, I tend to press a double back button after each thought I put down when catching up

You might see how this practice of mine led to

This

Hehehhehe
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 29 2023 02:57 GMT
#2510
On May 29 2023 11:53 Chezinu wrote:
I have the blessing of rayn and VE. People saying I'm more useful than others and I'm not up for lynch.

Unlike DP, I play for survival. You guys have fun. I'm going to eat my popcorn.


Ok you so brown

Hijole Chez I need confidence right now not more suspicion

SEE ONCE MORE WITH THE EYES!

REAWAKEN THE CHUPAZI THAT WAS BEFORE IT WAS!

oh wait that is my stuff.

but I can't legit do your way without sounding ... idk lame

Trucker trying to be like programmer usually fails from lack of knowledge.
Hopefully that doesn't destroy me!
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 29 2023 05:51 GMT
#2522
On May 29 2023 11:58 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2023 11:57 Alakaslam wrote:
On May 29 2023 11:53 Chezinu wrote:
I have the blessing of rayn and VE. People saying I'm more useful than others and I'm not up for lynch.

Unlike DP, I play for survival. You guys have fun. I'm going to eat my popcorn.


Ok you so brown

Hijole Chez I need confidence right now not more suspicion

SEE ONCE MORE WITH THE EYES!

REAWAKEN THE CHUPAZI THAT WAS BEFORE IT WAS!

oh wait that is my stuff.

but I can't legit do your way without sounding ... idk lame

Trucker trying to be like programmer usually fails from lack of knowledge.
Hopefully that doesn't destroy me!



Psh.. I didn't start programing until about 10 years ago... oh, it's been longer than I thought.

If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 29 2023 05:52 GMT
#2523
Ebwop I haven't started

So u still wiser m8
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 29 2023 05:55 GMT
#2524
Chezinu your memory is intense
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 29 2023 15:24 GMT
#2534
On May 29 2023 23:33 marvellosity wrote:
My final thoughts

So, as I've already talked about, what rayn started doing towards me just demoralised me massively, and my last vote on DP I did genuinely intend to be my last post of the game. But I still want town to win, so these are my thoughts that you can take with you into day 4. After you lynch me you will need to lynch correctly twice in a row or mafia wins. Some stuff I am pretty sure about, some I'm not.

die_meatbaby is town. Or at least if she is not town, the game is massively invalid in my eyes due to the ridiculous amount of setup nonsense that went on. My other supporting evidence is VE's post regarding this below.

Show nested quote +
On May 27 2023 09:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 27 2023 09:03 marvellosity wrote:
On May 27 2023 09:00 marvellosity wrote:
On May 27 2023 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 24 2023 07:28 die_meatbaby wrote:
On May 24 2023 06:33 Koshi wrote:
Like you said marv is getting attacked because x people pressured him because theybdont want to lose against mafia!marv again. Who are those people and do you now read them town?
Sharing is caring and can help us read you better.


Sentinel // don´t know, too less writing from him since we started
Alakasla // same as sentinel
Chezinu // seems like town
4) Vivax // mafia
5) LightningStrike // pretty shure town
6) DarthPunk // not quiet shure yet
7) Onegu // also not shure
8) Koshi // def. town
10) raynpelikoneet // Mafia
11) Meapak_Ziphh // also i think town for right know
12) marvellosity // town (could chance depends on his next posts)
13) VisceraEyes // town


But as you said you can lose the game perfectly with out me

I keep going back to this because i can't understand why (especially) a newbie makes this post with having LS as town when at this point LS has both of her scumreads as town.

Do you want to revisit DMB today rayn?

I sort of think with all the host stuff about not knowing how the setup works it’s borderline… um… “unbelievably unsportsmanlike” if DMB is not town

This. Meat is town and we should just not fucking talk about it.


VE is plenty good at faking emotion and all that sort of stuff as mafia. But this is not fake - this is a mafia-VE frustrated that the antics around that playerslot have essentially confirmed DMB as town. Do not lynch her, ever.

Alakaslam I also think is town. Something that rayn pointed out is that MZ's goodbye post was actually kind of weak, so why did people believe it? One theory is that mafia know it's true and so have some sort of reaction to it. This is possible. But why would a mafia-Slam, knowing that both lynches on D1 are town, even need to engage with it? Why does a mafia-Slam, who is apparently hard-town reading marv (yes I've confirmed towned myself just to be gratuitous) paint a massive target on his back for going against his townreads and voting Vivax, when he could have just stayed on MZ no questions asked? It doesn't make much sense to me.

After I wrote this I went back to read rayn's post, as I remembered he said Slam was town and I couldn't remember why. Turns out it's exactly the same reason, so if we've both come to that conclusion it's a fair stab that Slam is town.

Chezinu - I have a hunch this guy is town, don't wanna talk about it really.

TankTopTiger

Show nested quote +
On May 29 2023 17:38 TankTopTiger wrote:
Do mafia get to keep posting in the mafia discord after they've been lynched?

Show nested quote +
On May 29 2023 21:54 TankTopTiger wrote:
I was thinking about what happens if we lynch marv and he's red. I was worried about a situation where we'd have to hunt down one of the non-contributing players who is then being micro-managed by a skilled player which would be hard.

Frankly I think these 2 posts are a bit outrageous to make if you are mafia (and tbh probably shouldn't be asking them in the thread if you're town). So for this reason alone he should be town.
When I think about his gameplay it's basically a tunnel on me - well, fine. There's 2 options here:
1. him and DP are working completely in tandem as a mafia pair. Sounds crazy but not impossible.
2. DP has pocketed TTT and DP is riding off TTT's fervour. This is what I think is most likely.

LightningStrike
I really have nothing further to add than what rayn said, so I'm just gonna quote it.
Show nested quote +
rayn wrote
LS looks definitely worst in the bunch. Disconnected with the game, and while i have nothing really that says "this guy is definitely scum", i have also nothing that says this guy is definitely town. Everyone else looks just more town, that's it. I think you should always lynch LS the next day, it's just the most likely correct answer by poe and his disconnect with the game. Low volume poster or not, his posts still feel like no intention to solve.

Just as an aside, if you are town and voting me you are ignoring the bolded bit. Although I would also tell you to ignore it, so I'm not actually trying to make much of a point here

DarthPunk
He is always mafia. I've talked about why before, but for the sake of completeness, I will summarise it here again. Firstly, he too easily gave out townreads for quite a portion of the game. This is a mistake I desperately have to try not to fall into every time I play scum, and I don't always succeed. The weird early hard townread of die_meatbaby, when the rest of the townies were a lot more cautious, or actively calling dmb mafia (e.g. Koshi). The point (night 1 I think? I forget slightly) where he posted that he simply had "too many townreads" at a point I had 2 good townreads (Koshi and rayn). This is not a natural way for a townie to be thinking about the game, townies are a paranoid people. Readers, if you are town, ask yourself if you ever had too many townreads in this game.
Secondly, the turnaround on VE. DP made a really long post with about 20 quotes from VE and came to the conclusion that VE was most likely town. rayn makes a comment about VE's emotion (or lack of) and DP, after thinking so hard about VE's alignment, just flops the other way. Readers, if you are town - how easy is it for you to change your mind when you have just spent a lot of time thinking about someone's alignment?
Also, please read again the passage of play where I start calling DP mafia. He was not calling me mafia before that. He tells me he knew my scumread on him was coming - he knew he'd misplayed. Tell you what, if I'm town in DP's position there, as far as I'm concerned I've just listened to a very likely townie (rayn) and voted for mafia (VE). I'd be feeling nervous (about the lynch to come) but happy. I wouldn't be feeling guilty - "I knew this read on me was coming". The inherent guilt of being mafia. Then the way he starts calling me mafia - "FWIW I think marv could be mafia". Of course he just happens to wait until I have called him mafia, and then very casually says "FWIW".

None of anything of what DP has done is how a townie thinks. Lynch him with fire

I will not defend myself any further - this is my position. I will take no questions from DP because he is mafia. TTT - if you are just going to take the position that I am mafia spewing bs, fine. But assuming you are town, please go back, read my thoughts here again as if they are legitimately townie, and think about them. If you don't believe me, fine. Lynch me and then come back to this post.

Context
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 29 2023 15:26 GMT
#2535
For my vote.

C'mon, guys
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 29 2023 19:31 GMT
#2550
On May 30 2023 04:20 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2023 03:29 marvellosity wrote:
LightningStrike, if you are town you need to vote with me and lynch DP.

If not, then I will flip town, DP will get lynched and flip mafia, then you will get lynched. Your choice bud.

This appeal to emotion is just to strong for me. If he is mafia he wouldn't of appealed to me this hard over others.
## Vote: DarthPunk

I can't vote with my strongest SR

##Vote swap

We should be lynching that though, IMO
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 29 2023 19:35 GMT
#2553
I don't like DMB's ninja DMB can you give thoughts on it?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 29 2023 19:37 GMT
#2554
On May 30 2023 04:34 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2023 04:20 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 30 2023 03:29 marvellosity wrote:
LightningStrike, if you are town you need to vote with me and lynch DP.

If not, then I will flip town, DP will get lynched and flip mafia, then you will get lynched. Your choice bud.

This appeal to emotion is just to strong for me. If he is mafia he wouldn't of appealed to me this hard over others.
## Vote: DarthPunk


Saving your scum buddy I see. Makes sense.

Show nested quote +
On May 28 2023 11:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 28 2023 11:37 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 28 2023 11:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I was even playing board games for like 9 hours then it just fucking hit me when i was walking back home


I think TTT did really well too and meat baby but yeah I was way off.

I do think ls is maf tho so I got one .

I genuinely think there is zero mafia teams that include LS, yeah.
Hard lock town for mebaby and TTT yes.


Slam explain how I am mafia, when:

1) LS votes for me for two cycles and there is no way he is not mafia.

As someone said to Luke Skywalker:
"Right with ya, punk"
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 29 2023 19:38 GMT
#2556
On May 30 2023 04:35 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2023 04:31 Alakaslam wrote:
On May 30 2023 04:20 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 30 2023 03:29 marvellosity wrote:
LightningStrike, if you are town you need to vote with me and lynch DP.

If not, then I will flip town, DP will get lynched and flip mafia, then you will get lynched. Your choice bud.

This appeal to emotion is just to strong for me. If he is mafia he wouldn't of appealed to me this hard over others.
## Vote: DarthPunk

I can't vote with my strongest SR

##Vote swap

We should be lynching that though, IMO


You are amazing!!!!

They are both confirmed mafia to me at this point, so either lynch is good, its just going to be really hard to lynch marv later, cause we only need one townie not on that wagon and we lose, and, as you saw, marv is really convincing.

I still don't like lynching vets before though as often the town vet gets NK and it makes things much clearer.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 30 2023 01:46 GMT
#2587
On May 30 2023 08:58 TankTopTiger wrote:
@DP and Marv
Does it make sense for a cop to come forward now if we have one? I want to say yes but I don't have experience in this area.

I will agree to this unless the checks are useless.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 30 2023 02:21 GMT
#2588
@TTT I believe the effort is incumbent on those who have the authority/reputation such that they are the only two up for lynch... but I will read what I can
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 30 2023 04:57 GMT
#2616
On May 30 2023 11:37 DarthPunk wrote:
Ask yourself this? Do you really think mafia dp could outpost town marvellosity by 7 pages on day 3, town Marv could find exactly zero mafia and then the only thing that town Marv would have found in 25 pages of scum dp is that I had too many town reads and I was too fast to change my mind based on evidence and vote for mafia?

There is nothing else in 25 pages if I am mafia. Bearing in mind I haven’t played the game in 7 years.

Yes of course you can. Was VE's filter small? Power scum is a thing. This is probably the strongest part of your case

Well, I don't like that you point to filter length to clear yourself. But yeah, Rayn being better than marv usually means Marv scum
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 30 2023 04:57 GMT
#2617
No offense to rayn
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 30 2023 04:57 GMT
#2618
Oh does dblue not work anymore?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 30 2023 04:58 GMT
#2619
Oh dark mode changes things
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 30 2023 05:00 GMT
#2620
On May 30 2023 12:04 TankTopTiger wrote:
@LightningStrike
Waaay too early in the game, you gave Marv a town read for not folding to DP's D1 pressure. You are aware of Marv's "fold as scum" meta.

But right now, Marv has folded, and your vote is on DP.

Explain.

Where is Morgan Freeman meming when I need him?

"He's right you know"
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 30 2023 05:07 GMT
#2621
On May 30 2023 13:02 TankTopTiger wrote:
Wow really? Everything else aside, that's actually insane to me. I consider that basically cheating to grief your team so hard as mafia while uber try-harding as town.

Can I get other people weighing in here because I'm not reading 5 other games.

Show nested quote +
You said you were pretty sure you could read him but your read comes down to "if he folds D1 he's mafia" and "if he folds later than this he's confirmed town"?

This was a recent development after a lot of the older, more level headed vets left and he was hanging around with really aggro people and CHUPASZI MASTER PSYCHO SLAM (I was once like this) and baked as f0ck Kushm4sta and LaVeyan artist mafia mocker try not Genius Coagulation and you are responsible for what I understand, not what you say Holyflare.


Maybe makes more sense in that context. Remember much of DP's case on Marv was his powerful scum play.
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