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On May 25 2023 18:48 Koshi wrote: Like I said. My townreads and mafia reads just split up in 2 wagons while I was sleeping. This is the most amazing thing I have ever witnessed and I have 2 kids. Confirmation bias, too confident, inconsistent with ideas before flip. Bad. | ||
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On May 25 2023 18:50 Koshi wrote: I know. That's why it was a good play by you my mafia friend. OK, well you can vote for me then and I can vote for you, and otherwise I will ignore you because if you are town then this is pointless, and if you are mafia I think you have slipped up a bit. | ||
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On May 25 2023 18:52 Koshi wrote: Yes it is the egg en chicken story. You betrayed us. Now there is this. marv is a gentle soul. Talk to him. He is way less vindictive than I am. Well he isn't at all. And I am 101% Well I addressed this earlier, but I think if you are town, this is actually a result of ego and hurt pride rather than a genuine effort to determine my alignment, or anyone else's for that matter. | ||
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Marv and DP consider MZ lynch: On May 24 2023 20:51 Koshi wrote: You guys are so gullible or just mafia. Holy mozes. She reads rayn and vivax mafia for the dumbest reason - gets a pass cuz new - She meta reads a situation perfectly if all protagonist are town even though the persons in this situation are mafia in her head. -She gets some flak finally- She invents a reason why she meta read like she did "research and reading filters" - she gets a pass for trying- lolololololololol fml On May 24 2023 20:52 Koshi wrote: Ok. So marv and dp are mafia or teamed up with mafia. Call us both mafia, On May 24 2023 21:12 Koshi wrote: marv and dp: "but she is new and she was on her meds and she tried " blahblahblah I am afk till after lynch. Feels very strongly about a DMB lynch, which is fine On May 24 2023 21:16 Koshi wrote: Who was going hard on marv? Nobody. THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE WITH READING CRUISE MAFIA. SHE IS LYING 1) Shown potential TMI twice 2) Shiting up thread 3) Lying 4) trash reads that don't get updated when confronted DMB is lying and obvious scum, and Marv and DP must be scum for not wanting to lynch her. On May 24 2023 21:19 Koshi wrote: She types X. She gets called out on X She says I read cruise mafia and people were angry at marv and that is why I wrote X When looking at it, it doesn't make any sense why she would write X after reading cruise mafia. DP and marv: "seems legit, super town, wouldn't lynch, effort was shown" After calling us scum, then reacts as if we are both town, because he is framing us as having an analytical mindset which one will only have as town, this is inconsistent and basically makes no sense. On May 24 2023 21:27 Koshi wrote: Instead she says she made the read because she read cruise mafia in which marv was afk town and I won as mafia. So how does it compute that I am angry at marv for scamming me ??? Lies lies lies lies lies lies lies DMB is still a liar and mafia. On May 24 2023 23:46 Koshi wrote: The question is if what she wrote here is saying that marv scammed us means that marv was mafia and we were fooled. Then there is this. Which may or may not tie to her previous comment but here she says that in cruise some people were pissed of at marv. So I do 1+1 and tie both comments together and see the second comment as some sort of explanation why she made the first comment. Then I checked the cruise game. And the explanation doesn't hold water because marv wasn't even mafia that game and lost as inactive town. On May 25 2023 03:37 Koshi wrote: imagine marv being mafia and going for the obvious mafia misslynch MZ and getting flak from town!MZ the entire game for it. Wifom about Marv's MZ lynch. On May 25 2023 03:39 Koshi wrote: This is a pretty townie post regardless of marv his alignment. MZ is like dafuq dude I am town and I am all you got? Calls MZ town. On May 25 2023 03:47 Koshi wrote: No sadly not. I don't think he is townie tbh. I just think he is such an obvious lynch that I don't know if he was mafia he would just open so badly we all gut read him mafia. Backtracks with any pressure at all from marv, who literally he was calling mafia posts ago, with no explanation or reason for this change. On May 25 2023 03:59 Koshi wrote: Must say MZ when MZ is in the thread he engages with his reads and is figuring things out. First with VE and then marv. And all those interactions were pretty ok. Legit stuff, pressuring the person he is talking to and try to figure them out. He is pretty ok now that I think of it. MZ is ok. On May 25 2023 04:17 Koshi wrote: Can we lynch people on their birthday? That sounds against the rules. Koshi abcktracking because its her birthday?? SO now, the obv mafia DMB is not the lynch because it is her birthday, and because Chezinu is a question mark. Does this sound like someone who was rabidly calling her obvious scum and a lair and other players scum for considering other options? Its not genuine regardless. On May 25 2023 04:27 Koshi wrote: Staying on mebaby I meant. But its ok he is staying on MBB On May 25 2023 06:08 Koshi wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh Ok I am following daddy marv. I am too lost and I don't feel good anymore about lynching mebaby. All of a sudden, Koshi is sheeping marv, someone he called mafia, onto MZ someone he called town or townie, for what I can see no real reasons aside from maybe consolodation, but even then was not directing the vote onto Chezinu who ostensibly he thought should be lynched not long prior to this massive backflip. At this point he leaves the thread, openly states he hasn't read any of the posts that he has missed and comes back with: On May 25 2023 16:00 Koshi wrote: I must thank you for making this game memorable. This is truly amazing. Never could I have imagined that a wagon with marv, koshi,rayn and Vivax could be overtrown after the D1 we had. But you did it. Even more amazing if you did this with 3 mafia on MZ and MZ town. That's sickly amazing. To fuck over town leaders and most active people and get the town doctor lynch. Amazing. On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote: That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading. Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok. Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first. He wants to lynch us all, without cause or analysis, over a mislynch he clearly cared little about, and had no stated reasoning behind his vote other than he was lost and wanted to sheep Marv, I realize this will probably get dismissed because of meta or feel reads, and I understand that, But I hope that the town will at least consider how very wrong Koshi has been playing since the first part of the game, particularly his filter after I suggested I would sheep MZ, and at least reconsider him when considering how the games plays out in the days ahead. WE can all agree that he is a skilled player, he could be doing this as scum, and the dramatic fall off in play, and actively trying to determine people's alignment, to protecting his thread presence and "circle" of close players is bad. Bad bad bad. | ||
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On May 25 2023 19:10 marvellosity wrote: Even if you think Koshi is being bad right now, DP, do you genuinely believe these reactions make him mafia? You’ve played together before right? I think so but I can't remember him at all. | ||
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On May 25 2023 19:36 marvellosity wrote: Oh as if. I was being sarcastic/rhetorical with the last question! I literally can’t though. | ||
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On May 25 2023 19:40 marvellosity wrote: Well, highly emotional reactions to such wagons/flips are typical. I’m not saying he can’t do it as mafia, but it’s certainly consistent with his town play as well. If I’m choosing between you two, you’re definitely not going to like the answer That’s fine. It’s not any less than I expected. But I don’t really care tbh. | ||
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On May 25 2023 19:34 marvellosity wrote: I dont see how most of that could make him mafia? For example you are misrepresenting a couple of bits - for example where you say he calls MZ town. In that post he is speaking as if he is MZ and callling himself town, you can see that right? He says. This is a pretty townie post regardless of marv his alignment. - referring to the post of MZ MZ is like dafuq dude I am town and I am all you got? - this part he acts as if he is MZ Still referred to the post as townie. On May 25 2023 19:34 marvellosity wrote: Koshi is pretty consistent on MZ most of the game. And interacts with me when I question him when he appears to be softening. He called you mafia and I mafia for trying to vote for him, he then votes for him and fly's off the handle when he is not lynched. I would call that a lot of things but consistent is not one of them. On May 25 2023 19:34 marvellosity wrote: I also think the drop off DMB was a natural one. There’s no reason a mafia Koshi needs to do this. HE dropped her because vivax wanted it and it was her birthday as far as I can see, having just read his filter. That is not how you react when you are 100 percent sure she is town and literally posts this: On May 25 2023 05:39 Koshi wrote: Look. I want her flipped. The closer to deadline the more she changed her "fuck you all" attitude and started to post reasonable and asked town a couple times to not vote her out. Then as soon as I opened up to not get her lynched, she left while basically emotionally blackmailing town with the exact thing I was advocating for her not to get lynched. (birthday) I mean... That is pretty treacherous or what's the word. I can see her last 12 hours giving it all after getting some positive feedback in mafia QT and her not wanting to let her taemmates down. As town, I more likely would expect her to continue to be vicious and angry. She would be alone and why break character? Or maybe Vivax his vote and some posts made her revisit her actions. Like... I don't want to not lynch her for some off chance VE and MZ are mafia together or something. LS felt ok. He always does the meta stuff. I think he would feel slightly more off as mafia? Not so friendly maybe? Also the pushback on him feels mafia panicking that there are too many confirmed townies. I am fine with Vivax, rayn, marv I don't know about VE. My head doesn't want to understand MZ for some reason. Only surface. DP could be a very good mafia. Active and doing slight modifications on thread sentiment. (Like not letting LS be easy townread and was quickly to call Mebaby town, just to 180 as soon as I pushed back on the idea; then hid behind the 180 because you also did an 180) Then there is the lurkers and slam. 21 minutes before switching with literally no reason except sheeping someone on a lynch he called two of the most pro town people in the game scum for. There is no reason town koshi needs to do this, also wifom. On May 25 2023 19:34 marvellosity wrote: Just can’t see anywhere in what you wrote why it makes Koshi mafia. It's unfortunate but not unexpected with the state of the thread, but how about: Overconfident with little shared reasoning or apparent reasons for his confidence. Flip flopping with no discernible reasons provided. trying to lynch people/calling them mafia because they disagree not because there is a good reason they are mafia. Rapidly declining interest activity in determining alignments, trying to set up a series of lynches without discussion He genuinely seems more upset that people didn't listen to his clique over the result of said lynch, (ignoring scenarios of town MZ for example) That is not a mindset of finding mafia, that is a mindset oriented around protecting himself and controlling the thread, both of which are very strong plays mafia. | ||
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On May 25 2023 19:47 marvellosity wrote: Well, you should care. Why? are you going to lynch me for it? | ||
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This is true, also part of the reason why I wanted to lynch vivax. | ||
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On May 25 2023 20:04 Grackaroni wrote: TankTopTiger has replaced [UoN]Sentinel Hi. | ||
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On May 25 2023 20:05 Koshi wrote: Do you think there was some hypnotic message hidden behind that message that made others vote Vivax? Why should I have sheeped this lynch when posts like this existed? Why was it so obvious to you only after the flip, and before it was basically whatever. | ||
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On May 25 2023 20:10 marvellosity wrote: Maybe? Like do you genuinely believe a highly active player flip flopping all over the place is particularly scummy? You know that’s the opposite of what mafia actually do, right? I mean if you think I am the best lynch and can articulate why I am mafia, go right ahead. It's not scummy if it is evident why those changes are made, and it makes sense. I would argue that this has not been evident, at least it is not evident to me based on what he posted in the thread. Recently Koshi has flipped flopped with extreme confidence for no discernable reason and; He is less interested in finding mafia or determining alignments.\ and; He is shit posting and very oriented around maintaining his control/ punishing those who didn't follow his preferred lynch. I think his play was really strong early on, but it has been shit for the past 24 hours and the free pass doesn't run forever. and you and I both know that good players can play all sorts of different styles as mafia, I think I look more town as mafia than as town, you have been active and afk as mafia. I think Koshi is good enough that he thinks (probably correctly) that he can just post all sorts of garbage and get away with it, thats fine, as long as it ends up in a place i can understand and empathise with. But that disappeared a while ago, and now I think he could be scum, because his thinking is just too wrong | ||
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On May 25 2023 20:25 Koshi wrote: I wonder what rayn his secret is. I typed Vivax is town and for some reason that didn't stop 6 people to vote for him. Do you think rayn arranges his words in a special way to make it more convincing? I can tell you the answer: he actually provides reasons for all his reads, and those tend to resonate with people. | ||
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On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote: Hi, I'm the sub for Sentinel. I'm caught up, but just pushed 1400 posts through my brain at top speed so don't expect me to be 100% on the ball. I'm going off vibes, so please feel free to correct me. I've played before, maybe 10 newbie games. I'm an IRL friend of DP. I've also played meatspace werewolf a fair amount. I haven't played forum mafia in close to a decade, and don't really plan on approaching the game the same way anyway. From what I see, there seems to be some mutual respect between Rayne, DP, and Marv. Almost like they are playing for who controls the endgame and the rest of you are just the social environment that facilitates it. Out of the three, I have no idea why people are acting like Marv is obviously town. He plays like an empty vessel. I'm obviously not part of whatever meta you guys have, but IMO MZ's aggression towards Marv has been warranted. I would have voted for Vivax over MZ, who I get a town read off. So I guess my first question is why Marv is just getting a free walk here? What makes everyone so certain he's town when for the most part he's not exerted any influence? IMO both Rayn and DP have provided insight, and in my eyes are earning their status, but not Marv. Regarding VE, they strike me as committed to a bit. I'm not sure why they had such insane confidence, but honestly, a lot of how you guys talk comes off as fake to me. You realise marv lead the wagon on MZ right. So that [i]literally [/i ]means he was exerting influence. I think there are probably two camps in regards to reading marvs alignment disclaimer: i haven;t played with these guys for 7 years before this. 1: meta marv has a bit of a rep (unfairly IMO) of not being a great player of scum and going afk/being inactive. 2. the things he has said has resonated with the thoughts of others who were thinking similar things at the same time and: he seems to be trying to figure out the game with his thoughts and questions. | ||
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On May 25 2023 20:32 Koshi wrote: I will need to analyse this further. So rayn made a comment that opened the gate to make 6 people vote Vivax. And all these posts I read in his filter saying MZ was a better lynch in his eyes were inefficient. So which voodoo did he use to make that 1 message so much more powerful? I shall need to contact the Brown for this. Have you read all the posts yet? I literally asked him why, and he gave no reasons, and then later tacitly agreed with VE that it was because of the fact that you had all agreed to the lynch prior and he didn't want scum to influence at the end. | ||
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On May 25 2023 20:45 die_meatbaby wrote: just because i said you are one of the strongest player. I just repeat V´s words with the first sentence here. That ego. :D | ||
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On May 25 2023 20:46 Koshi wrote: The next time I take a shit I will put some glitter on it, look at it for 30 seconds and flush. I think that will be more tasteful than reading the 350 posts before the Vivax lynch. Well in the interest of accuracy then, maybe you shouldn't put weight on that section of the game if you don't care to read. it. Or ask questions about it Or declare you will lynch half the town as a result of it. Not having read it and all. | ||
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On May 25 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: Half of the town (the bad part) and all the mafia. The broken clock is correct twice per day. | ||
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On May 25 2023 21:04 Koshi wrote: twice times lol exquisite, truly | ||
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