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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 06:35 GMT
#1304
On May 25 2023 15:30 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 15:20 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote:
That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.

Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.

Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first.


I can understand being frustrated, but I'm not sure this level of hyperbole is useful.

Where’s the hyperbole?


P{lanning on lynching the entire wagon while stating one he thinks one mafia is on the other wagon. THe game will be over before he lynches all of us, it makes no sense and is just not useful.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 06:38 GMT
#1306
On May 25 2023 15:36 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 15:35 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 15:30 marvellosity wrote:
On May 25 2023 15:20 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote:
That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.

Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.

Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first.


I can understand being frustrated, but I'm not sure this level of hyperbole is useful.

Where’s the hyperbole?


P{lanning on lynching the entire wagon while stating one he thinks one mafia is on the other wagon. THe game will be over before he lynches all of us, it makes no sense and is just not useful.

Not if he lynches multiple mafia going through the wagon it won’t be.


It will if, as he says, he thinks at least one mafia is on the other side.

Also im still not sure it wasn't town on town violence.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 06:43 GMT
#1308
On May 25 2023 15:42 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 15:38 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 15:36 marvellosity wrote:
On May 25 2023 15:35 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 15:30 marvellosity wrote:
On May 25 2023 15:20 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote:
That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.

Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.

Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first.


I can understand being frustrated, but I'm not sure this level of hyperbole is useful.

Where’s the hyperbole?


P{lanning on lynching the entire wagon while stating one he thinks one mafia is on the other wagon. THe game will be over before he lynches all of us, it makes no sense and is just not useful.

Not if he lynches multiple mafia going through the wagon it won’t be.


It will if, as he says, he thinks at least one mafia is on the other side.

Also im still not sure it wasn't town on town violence.

It may yet have been, but jeez look at who you were with.


I am not arguing that I was right, clearly I was not, at the time Vivax and LS looked worse to me than VE and MZ and Slam
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 08:23 GMT
#1316
On May 25 2023 17:19 marvellosity wrote:
Well I did read what I missed and I’m not really glad I did.


What are your thoughts?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:07 GMT
#1323
On May 25 2023 17:23 marvellosity wrote:
DP, what’s your best guess at a scumteam?

Promise I won’t hold you to it but I’m struggling to see where you think the 3 mafia might lie given your posts.


I feel like you are mind reading me right now. Cause I was worrying about that just before deadline, there are too many town reads.

Honestly, I am feeling a bit outclassed in this game, there are a cohort (rayn and koshi) of really strong players who have strong control over the thread and seem town to me. I am legitimately paranoid that for various reasons they will never be considered as mafia and then we just lose straight up but much like you said, I think it is what it is at this point.

They look better or worse to me depending on their posting but solid town for the most part.

You are probably my strongest town read right now in a vacuum not considering meta, thread presence, etc.

The next tier of town reads was Alakaslam, basically because he agreed with things I agreed with and when he posted seemed quite productive and pro town, nothing he has said or done makes me think he is mafia.

Next tier is VE. he is a bit of a mess, and the reaction to the flip seemed to feel like an over reaction. Basically I was feeling pretty good on him but I am less confident after that wagon on Vivax.

DMB I am worried she just really overperformed as a new mafia player and sufficiently shit up the thread or was the obvious lynch for long that we basically over thought it. I still think my analysis prior to the flip was right, but I don't know what it means that Vivax, who she was sooo sure of flipped town. Probably it means she is less likely to be town.

AfK tier is CHEZ, Onegu no read at this point.

Don't like Lightning strike but he didn't lynch the doctor so that is something in his favor I suppose, depends on MZ alignment if it matters or not.

MZ is a coinflip at this point.


Basically my scum team would be looking something like

Lightning strike

2 of DMB, VE, MZ, Onegu

with the lurkers potentially switching out somewhere.

I am not feeling great with that but its where I am pretty much.

I am also really annoyed that Rayn would not tell me why Vivax was not mafia, because I literally asked him in the thread, and he said basically he could be mafia, that he wouldn't stop me lynching him, and that the reason he wouldn't lynch vivax is that his town reads were asleep and so it would be disproportionately affected by scum ( paraphrasing)
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:17 GMT
#1326
On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote:
Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that.


I can understand not wanting to get down in the dirt with the plebs
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:20 GMT
#1328
On May 25 2023 18:17 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 17:59 Vivax wrote:
gg

sorry babyy couldn't live with the fact that you are satisfied with such less information in the thread.


Time to redeem him and catch the mafia so we can all ride off into the sunset together.

Now you have a clean slate, you clearly know that rayn and vivax are not mafia together, that should give you some space to take a fresh perspective and let us know what you think about everyones alignment at this point.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:22 GMT
#1332
On May 25 2023 18:20 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 18:17 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote:
Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that.


I can understand not wanting to get down in the dirt with the plebs

I mean if you were feeling ‘outclassed’ why exactly did you end up on the opposite wagon of your top 3 townreads? Logically that’s the perfect time to sheep…


I mean that now obviously, because I don't think VE could have realistically lynched Vivax without me.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:26 GMT
#1333
On May 25 2023 18:20 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote:
Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that.

Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch.

And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake.


What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip.

I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already.

Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:29 GMT
#1335
On May 25 2023 18:28 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 18:26 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:20 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote:
Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that.

Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch.

And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake.


What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip.

I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already.

Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive.

I think you could be mafia.
I will never make a case on you.
I will yell all future days that I think you are mafia.
I will never respect any read you make this game.


Ok then.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:29 GMT
#1337
The problem is I am town, so if you are town, then this is going to be pretty awkward at some point.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:35 GMT
#1342
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?


Just putting it out there.

I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.


Can you seriously explain this Koshi if it was so obviously bad?

And its not like you thought MZ was obviously scum either.
On May 24 2023 20:51 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 24 2023 20:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m less happy with a MB vote after her recent posts. Looks like she made an effort, researched, and thought about the game a bit. I would dislike a policy lynch, anyone voting MB needs to do so only because they think she has the best chance of flipping mafia.

MZ still lovely lynch.


Agreed. maybe ill just sheep you.

You guys are so gullible or just mafia.

Holy mozes.

She reads rayn and vivax mafia for the dumbest reason - gets a pass cuz new -
She meta reads a situation perfectly if all protagonist are town even though the persons in this situation are mafia in her head. -She gets some flak finally-
She invents a reason why she meta read like she did "research and reading filters" - she gets a pass for trying-


lolololololololol

fml


On May 25 2023 06:08 Koshi wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh


Ok I am following daddy marv.
I am too lost and I don't feel good anymore about lynching mebaby.



This does not scream obvious lynch or extreme confidence , at all and now you are trying to lynch 6 or 7 players because we were wrong.

OK I actually revoke my town read on you. This is too bad.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:36 GMT
#1344
On May 25 2023 18:32 marvellosity wrote:
rayn had some (unbelievably well played if mafia) self-doubt coming up to the lynch, especially without me or Koshi to bounce off.

I think it’s an incredibly natural townie reaction to have that sort of doubt. Honestly the evolution of my play over time has been increasing self doubt. The positive side to that is you tunnel less townies into oblivion. The downside is you tunnel less mafia into oblivion too.

I don’t know what to make of VE’s lack of doubt on Vivax, especially since such active/strong players were voicing doubts to him all day.
Same with MZ’s lack of doubt about me tbh.

Neither are natural to me. But VE is a totally different sort of player to me.


Agreed and this is fine, but what is not fine is flying off the handle and acting like it is super obvious like Koshi is doing. Because it wasn't.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:38 GMT
#1345
On May 25 2023 18:36 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 18:32 marvellosity wrote:
rayn had some (unbelievably well played if mafia) self-doubt coming up to the lynch, especially without me or Koshi to bounce off.

I think it’s an incredibly natural townie reaction to have that sort of doubt. Honestly the evolution of my play over time has been increasing self doubt. The positive side to that is you tunnel less townies into oblivion. The downside is you tunnel less mafia into oblivion too.

I don’t know what to make of VE’s lack of doubt on Vivax, especially since such active/strong players were voicing doubts to him all day.
Same with MZ’s lack of doubt about me tbh.

Neither are natural to me. But VE is a totally different sort of player to me.


Agreed and this is fine, but what is not fine is flying off the handle and acting like it is super obvious like Koshi is doing. Because it wasn't.


By his own admission no less he was feeling lost, and now he comes in acting all self-righteous when we don't even know MZ's alignment?

Is he actually just butthurt that he didn't get the lynch he wanted?

Lmao
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:38 GMT
#1346
On May 25 2023 18:36 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 18:35 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?


Just putting it out there.

I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.


Can you seriously explain this Koshi if it was so obviously bad?

And its not like you thought MZ was obviously scum either.
On May 24 2023 20:51 Koshi wrote:
On May 24 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 24 2023 20:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m less happy with a MB vote after her recent posts. Looks like she made an effort, researched, and thought about the game a bit. I would dislike a policy lynch, anyone voting MB needs to do so only because they think she has the best chance of flipping mafia.

MZ still lovely lynch.


Agreed. maybe ill just sheep you.

You guys are so gullible or just mafia.

Holy mozes.

She reads rayn and vivax mafia for the dumbest reason - gets a pass cuz new -
She meta reads a situation perfectly if all protagonist are town even though the persons in this situation are mafia in her head. -She gets some flak finally-
She invents a reason why she meta read like she did "research and reading filters" - she gets a pass for trying-


lolololololololol

fml


On May 25 2023 06:08 Koshi wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh


Ok I am following daddy marv.
I am too lost and I don't feel good anymore about lynching mebaby.



This does not scream obvious lynch or extreme confidence , at all and now you are trying to lynch 6 or 7 players because we were wrong.

OK I actually revoke my town read on you. This is too bad.

wow what shall I do. No more townread from DP.
lolololololololololololol


Are you mafia?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:42 GMT
#1350
On May 25 2023 18:39 Koshi wrote:
Of course everything is possible before a flip.
Even when I read a game perfectly I still have the other voices in my head talking about 3 other scenarios that I must ignore.

That and actually lynching Vivax with VE, mebaby, MZ, Onegu which are your fucking townreads and town leaders most questionable people in the game is HILARIOUS


OK then, so you decided to sheep marv, and I considered it and then read the thread and obth the lynch targets filters again and made a decision to lynch the one I thought looked less actively town at the time.

How does that make me mafia?

Also you were not that helpful if I recall

On May 24 2023 21:12 Koshi wrote:
marv and dp: "but she is new and she was on her meds and she tried "


blahblahblah



I am afk till after lynch.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:44 GMT
#1355
On May 25 2023 18:42 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. I hope DP is mafia and I caught him with his nonsensical "ohno cant have town easy townread LS".

But my ego aside I hope he is town and voted with 3 mafia on town doctor Vivax, and the next couple days he is going to scumread me and we will antagonize each other till the brink of WW3.


Unfortunately for you, you didn't catch me.


Unfortunately for me: WW3
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:47 GMT
#1360
On May 25 2023 18:44 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 18:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:39 Koshi wrote:
Of course everything is possible before a flip.
Even when I read a game perfectly I still have the other voices in my head talking about 3 other scenarios that I must ignore.

That and actually lynching Vivax with VE, mebaby, MZ, Onegu which are your fucking townreads and town leaders most questionable people in the game is HILARIOUS


OK then, so you decided to sheep marv, and I considered it and then read the thread and obth the lynch targets filters again and made a decision to lynch the one I thought looked less actively town at the time.

How does that make me mafia?

Also you were not that helpful if I recall

On May 24 2023 21:12 Koshi wrote:
marv and dp: "but she is new and she was on her meds and she tried "


blahblahblah



I am afk till after lynch.


I literally do not care about words, filters and logic anymore when talking to you. You voted Vivax when rayn, marv and myself were on MZ and we had a great time during D1.


This is so arrogant it's distasteful, just because you three had iron clad scum reads on MZ (hint only marv did) and made such strong arguments like,
I am lost im going to sheep daddy marv
then I should not have the gall to come up with my own analysis of the game? I should have bowed down to your obvious (to you) prowess.

That's not really fun, nor is it convincing.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:49 GMT
#1363
On May 25 2023 18:45 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 18:44 marvellosity wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:42 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. I hope DP is mafia and I caught him with his nonsensical "ohno cant have town easy townread LS".

But my ego aside I hope he is town and voted with 3 mafia on town doctor Vivax, and the next couple days he is going to scumread me and we will antagonize each other till the brink of WW3.

Can you quote what you’re talking about here Koshi?

From my filter or his?

I mean 4-5 people were townreading LS without any real basis and DP came back with a gigant post saying LS isn't as townie as we should think.


He wasn't and isn't. I'm glad you acknowledge that.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:50 GMT
#1364
On May 25 2023 18:48 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 18:47 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:44 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:39 Koshi wrote:
Of course everything is possible before a flip.
Even when I read a game perfectly I still have the other voices in my head talking about 3 other scenarios that I must ignore.

That and actually lynching Vivax with VE, mebaby, MZ, Onegu which are your fucking townreads and town leaders most questionable people in the game is HILARIOUS


OK then, so you decided to sheep marv, and I considered it and then read the thread and obth the lynch targets filters again and made a decision to lynch the one I thought looked less actively town at the time.

How does that make me mafia?

Also you were not that helpful if I recall

On May 24 2023 21:12 Koshi wrote:
marv and dp: "but she is new and she was on her meds and she tried "


blahblahblah



I am afk till after lynch.


I literally do not care about words, filters and logic anymore when talking to you. You voted Vivax when rayn, marv and myself were on MZ and we had a great time during D1.


This is so arrogant it's distasteful, just because you three had iron clad scum reads on MZ (hint only marv did) and made such strong arguments like,
I am lost im going to sheep daddy marv
then I should not have the gall to come up with my own analysis of the game? I should have bowed down to your obvious (to you) prowess.

That's not really fun, nor is it convincing.

The fun is over when you fuck over your 3 townleaders friends.


The fun is over when you behave like this honestly.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
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