A little summary of my thoughts on the start of the game before I went to bed, before i have look at the rest. Overall thoughts on dandel ion's start: I often end up in exchanges like that on day 1. For some reason people tend to post stuff that doesn't make sense from a town perspective, be openly and obviously evasive about answering questions, and invariably end up being town. He certainly doesn't appear to be 'hiding' the way i would expect mafia to, but I just can't get over how scummy some of his reasoning is. Its just a case what should we be paying attention to, the content of his posts or the fact that he was happy for the attention to remain on him while making it clear he wanted to lynch me or decon? I think on balance i'm leaning town tbh. I can put his reasoning down to just provoking responses as a way of scumhunting.
On August 30 2022 03:04 deconduo wrote: So we are definitely lynching Chezinu D1 right?
Deconduo's first post. I'm calling it now. If one of decon or chezinu is mafia, the other is too. Like obviously we're never lynching chezinu on day one and posting this is a good way to get some suspicion on anyone who agrees with him and tries to lynch chez. Also, it might just be a joke post, but even if it is, i think its possible to make this connection from it.
Serious question to decon:
Can you go back through your posts, there's been plenty of them, and tell us which ones we can take seriously, except for the posts you make telling us not to take other posts seriously? Because it seems to me like every time you post something and someone comments on it, its either a joke post, or you didn't actually mean what you were saying, or its tongue in cheek. If you don't put your tongue back in its natural position sometime soon you're at a terrible risk of it getting stuck in your cheek.
Vivax normally comes straight into the game with reads and then sticks to them for the whole game. I know this because I'm usually on the receiving end. His posting so far all falls into the 'irrelevant' category, which bothers me. Its not very Vivax.
Rayn+hf both feel normal, but I wouldn't really lynch either on day 1 anyway.
Copcake is just neutral to me at the moment. She hasn't really questioned anyone or started to scumhunt. Its an awkward start, but not scummy per se.
So if I were to put this in list format it would be:
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
Leaning Mafia: Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi) Koshi
Chezinu: Chezinu
Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.
But... but it wasn't serious!
On August 30 2022 09:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I am also down to lynch copcake for fluffposting.
Naaaah. I'd like to see more from copcake but it doesn't really feel like she's started to play properly yet.
On August 30 2022 09:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: There was so much discussion of this quote:
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote: 100% confirmed town Holyflare
Leaning Town: Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)
Leaning Mafia: Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi) Koshi
Chezinu: Chezinu
Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.
But that's the best list post of the ENTIRE game!
Why don't you see that as a mostly joke post with 1 (technically 2) useful read? He looks pretty playful to me.
What does playful mean though? Is it necessarily a town trait? I don't really think so. You can be too playful, and as MZ says, end up not really contributing.
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote: 100% confirmed town Holyflare
Leaning Town: Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)
Leaning Mafia: Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi) Koshi
Chezinu: Chezinu
Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.
But that's the best list post of the ENTIRE game!
Why don't you see that as a mostly joke post with 1 (technically 2) useful read? He looks pretty playful to me.
I didn't really read it as a joke post, you hit my point spot on when you say the post only has 1 useful read. It's completely filler and adds nothing. Even if it's a joke, I get a lot more red vibes from that type of post than I do playful townie.
On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote: Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding.
Although since it's so early in the game I wasn't focused on it at first, I only saw it again when rereading for the HF post I quoted above.
I don't know how you get that HF's post here is 'townie joking'. Anyone can claim town with their first post, it tells us nothing. Other than that I agree with what you're saying about decon.
On August 30 2022 09:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: There was so much discussion of this quote:
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb
For my own clarity rayn, this was the section of the OP that made you make this comment right?
Mafia roleblocker has precedence. If mafia roleblocker and jailkeeper target each other the jailkeeper's action will not be counted.
No, later Rayn said it was an inside joke. That he messed up.
Ah my bad, I'll have to go reread that bit.
On August 30 2022 10:53 Tubesock wrote:
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote: 100% confirmed town Holyflare
Leaning Town: Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)
Leaning Mafia: Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi) Koshi
Chezinu: Chezinu
Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.
But that's the best list post of the ENTIRE game!
Why don't you see that as a mostly joke post with 1 (technically 2) useful read? He looks pretty playful to me.
I didn't really read it as a joke post, you hit my point spot on when you say the post only has 1 useful read. It's completely filler and adds nothing. Even if it's a joke, I get a lot more red vibes from that type of post than I do playful townie.
To me, a townie jokes more along the lines of
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote: I'm town
It's harmless, in the first couple pages of the game, and unambiguous.
I personally strongly dislike decon's "joke" here as well:
On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote: Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding.
Although since it's so early in the game I wasn't focused on it at first, I only saw it again when rereading for the HF post I quoted above.
I like his joke list post better than Jock's quote every post try-hardness. They both move the thread a little forward at least.
Putting HF as top town on one self claim post is pretty hilarious. Then essentially doing the opposite for Vivax bussing absent Koshi is pretty funny too. And of course the Chezinu read is spot on too. Now we can wait and see who nitpicks him for it and why.
I really dislike this bolded sentence. Say what you want about the reads list, but framing it as 'anyone who questions it is nitpicking' is a level of protection above what is necessary or useful.
On August 30 2022 09:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: There was so much discussion of this quote:
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb
For my own clarity rayn, this was the section of the OP that made you make this comment right?
Mafia roleblocker has precedence. If mafia roleblocker and jailkeeper target each other the jailkeeper's action will not be counted.
No, later Rayn said it was an inside joke. That he messed up.
Ah my bad, I'll have to go reread that bit.
On August 30 2022 10:53 Tubesock wrote:
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote: 100% confirmed town Holyflare
Leaning Town: Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)
Leaning Mafia: Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi) Koshi
Chezinu: Chezinu
Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.
But that's the best list post of the ENTIRE game!
Why don't you see that as a mostly joke post with 1 (technically 2) useful read? He looks pretty playful to me.
I didn't really read it as a joke post, you hit my point spot on when you say the post only has 1 useful read. It's completely filler and adds nothing. Even if it's a joke, I get a lot more red vibes from that type of post than I do playful townie.
To me, a townie jokes more along the lines of
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote: I'm town
It's harmless, in the first couple pages of the game, and unambiguous.
I personally strongly dislike decon's "joke" here as well:
On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote: Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding.
Although since it's so early in the game I wasn't focused on it at first, I only saw it again when rereading for the HF post I quoted above.
I like his joke list post better than Jock's quote every post try-hardness. They both move the thread a little forward at least.
Putting HF as top town on one self claim post is pretty hilarious. Then essentially doing the opposite for Vivax bussing absent Koshi is pretty funny too. And of course the Chezinu read is spot on too. Now we can wait and see who nitpicks him for it and why.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this for now, considering you've also got issues with jock's posting as well I'm definitely interested in hearing more of what you've got to say.
Any thoughts so far on copcake? Personally not loving what I'm seeing there.
Because it's first 24 hours or so I'll pass his nitpicking since everyone has to basically nitpick due to there not being any content around. His tryharding seemed a bit over the top to me, but moving the thread a bit and trying to make content outweighs that. It does set him up for more scrutiny later though. If he's not town then it'll get harder and harder for him to keep pace or produce anything of substance.
I remember Copcake showed up. I don't remember anything about her posts. Which doesn't really mean anything to me yet.
Meh. I told myself I was going to quote every post but that's a harsh toke. Instead I'm sticking to relevant posts.
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I like MZ. His posting seems focused on the right things and quite townie to me. In fact he's probably my strongest townread just from these few posts.
Don't really have any kind of read on tubesock, although he does seem to be going out of his to protect decon, which is weird, as I can't see a townread there.
Can you go back through your posts, there's been plenty of them, and tell us which ones we can take seriously, except for the posts you make telling us not to take other posts seriously? Because it seems to me like every time you post something and someone comments on it, its either a joke post, or you didn't actually mean what you were saying, or its tongue in cheek. If you don't put your tongue back in its natural position sometime soon you're at a terrible risk of it getting stuck in your cheek.
None of them are particularly serious, but they are meant to ruffle feathers a bit. How people respond to them is always interesting. We have plenty of time left in the day for more serious posts, and shitposts do help get some insights on day one
OK. I'll take this at face value and I look forward to learning what you actually think later today
On August 30 2022 12:43 Chezinu wrote: It looks like Grackaroni has vanished. Can anyone see the cruiseship? It appears the canoe is here... *eyes open outward* His body mustn't be far. Smells like the stinch left by fecal in the cave.
I'm to assume that what happened to fecal was some kind of very accidental cave diving accident, yah?
On August 30 2022 04:17 Holyflare wrote: Wait where did Rayn clarify his post? I don't think the typo changes the question lol.
Yes it does.
Indeed. This confused me a little at the time. hf looked like he was going to push on this but then just kind of went away. I don't know if we can read anything from it though.
On August 30 2022 05:30 Dandel Ion wrote: what if jock was town and im just reading him as mafia because he convinced himself somehow that town is supposed to look like mafia because only mafia try to look like town
i think im onto something here
hmm There's a huge space between 'looking town being the number 1 objective for town', and 'town should try to look mafia'. I never said town should try to look mafia, I said if you're town and your posts show that you're town you shouldn't have to try, or have it be an objective.
no, nuance is a myth and i am now going to lynch my strongest townread, deconduo, because he looks way too town. observe how i am currently in the process of lynching him
Well I was too until you refused to vote for me! All I wanted was to see how he reacted to it after the little exchange you two had but NOOOOOO dandel ion doesn't want to play.
On August 30 2022 04:51 Dandel Ion wrote: I lack both money and a mouth
Neo? Is that you?
are we ever truly anybody?
Yes you are Alice in a poorly constructed metaphor about a rabbit hole.
Staying on topic though, you may have no mouth and no money but you certainly have a vote. If you're going to try and lynch me as you said you were you should use it.
no I shouldn't voting is counterproductive to obtaining a lynch
On August 30 2022 04:51 Dandel Ion wrote: I lack both money and a mouth
Neo? Is that you?
are we ever truly anybody?
Yes you are Alice in a poorly constructed metaphor about a rabbit hole.
Staying on topic though, you may have no mouth and no money but you certainly have a vote. If you're going to try and lynch me as you said you were you should use it.
no I shouldn't voting is counterproductive to obtaining a lynch
In what way?
It scares the sheep "On no I can't believe he's mafia he has more votes than players in the game" plus the later you vote the more townie you are and I only care about how townie I look
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................ Which is scummy as he'll? Wtf? I thought you knew this?
Which must mean there is a facetiousness or something that is slinging smirks over my head. Hijole.
I didn't put it into words but this is the kind of feeling i got from dandel too. Like he's playing a game i don't really understand, but is fully aware of how scummy his posting was, and it was a part of whatever he's trying to do.
On August 30 2022 04:51 Dandel Ion wrote: I lack both money and a mouth
Neo? Is that you?
are we ever truly anybody?
Yes you are Alice in a poorly constructed metaphor about a rabbit hole.
Staying on topic though, you may have no mouth and no money but you certainly have a vote. If you're going to try and lynch me as you said you were you should use it.
no I shouldn't voting is counterproductive to obtaining a lynch
In what way?
It scares the sheep "On no I can't believe he's mafia he has more votes than players in the game" plus the later you vote the more townie you are and I only care about how townie I look
Why would you only care about how townie you look? That's a really weird thing to be your main objective. I mean, to me you don't look particularly townie right now, and that's because you say you're trying to look townie.
Why would you assume that people will go off how many votes someone has made without reading into the context? If you're town and your posts show that you're town why should it matter how many votes you make, as long as you can detect some reasoning behind the votes.
As town my objective is to not get lynched and if no townie gets lynched mafia get lynched and town wins surely this is not too difficult to understand
idc about your read on my because I am currently lynching you so it will stop mattering in 22 hours
Could achieve this by no-lynching and mafia would still win every time, all mafia has to do in what you propose here is do the same thing so they get harder to detect.
Decidedly anti-town way to play, but then I have been scum with people who wanted to NK me to assert dominance so I don't SR you for it yet lol. Don't know you well enough to go so far when it is looking too scummy to be scum.
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote: 100% confirmed town Holyflare
Leaning Town: Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)
Leaning Mafia: Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi) Koshi
Chezinu: Chezinu
Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.
Well fuck me M_Z tunnel incoming like a sidewinder missile after page 13
On August 30 2022 17:10 deconduo wrote: Morning all. I heard you like lists. I like lists. I'm gonna make another list.
People who are fun: Jock Dandel Slam Koshi Vivax CopCake Tube
Neutral: Rels Matt
People who are not fun: Rayn
People who are attempting to suck every molecule of fun from the game: MZ
Chezinu: Chezinu
this list is unironically revolting koshi in the fun category smh
your last list was better, you fell off
It made me feel good, which gave me bad vibes instantly. Man this game is so anti-human sometimes.
I think is the opposite, I tend to put so much "feel" I tend to feel exhausted at the end. Specially the times when I roll scum several times consecutive.
Its definitely exhausting. I get what you mean, I think we're saying similar things. I get exhausted constantly having to second guess myself remembering not to like people who are being likeable. That's what i mean by anti-human. Do you have any reads yet?
On August 30 2022 17:10 deconduo wrote: Morning all. I heard you like lists. I like lists. I'm gonna make another list.
People who are fun: Jock Dandel Slam Koshi Vivax CopCake Tube
Neutral: Rels Matt
People who are not fun: Rayn
People who are attempting to suck every molecule of fun from the game: MZ
Chezinu: Chezinu
this list is unironically revolting koshi in the fun category smh
your last list was better, you fell off
It made me feel good, which gave me bad vibes instantly. Man this game is so anti-human sometimes.
I think is the opposite, I tend to put so much "feel" I tend to feel exhausted at the end. Specially the times when I roll scum several times consecutive.
Its definitely exhausting. I get what you mean, I think we're saying similar things. I get exhausted constantly having to second guess myself remembering not to like people who are being likeable. That's what i mean by anti-human. Do you have any reads yet?
I honestly feel like people hasn't posted enough, the only thing that gave me a bad sensation was Vivax, he feels like another person and not himself.
I liked how deconduo reacted with the whole claiming town situation.
You seem too happy/freely while not pocketing so I think you are town.
I disliked how Ziphh took Deconduo list seriously. Still waiting for his answers.
I want more HF but overall Rels tho.
And the game sometimes can be too overwhelming as town, specially in the last couple of days and there is a misslynch or you lose situation (even tho it is also fun in a strange way) or as mafia when I have to give a performance and fake my emotions/reactions to events. And as you might have noticed I "tone read" most of the time.
Then I just close the tab and watch tv or do something else.
Looks like we're agreed on vivax, but have opposite reads on MZ and deconduo.
Tone reads is all you can realistically have on day 1. Where I struggle is with long chains of logic. They break my brain like proper.
The whole thing between koshi and copcake... I'm not going to quote all the posts because the entire thing reads almost like a diversion. I don't have any specific bad feelings about either of them but the interaction is filed under 'interesting' for use later maybe.
On August 30 2022 22:23 Holyflare wrote: Playing on MU has ruined this website for me lol.
Also, I've grown and adapted as a human being so take this in full faith that I, as a townie, am doing this with the utmost sincerity because I really liked Koshi's MZ points (yes, this parrots what Rayn is saying above). I just think he extrapolated the read a smidge too far to apply it to copcake and then distracted himself.
##Vote MZ
Koshi didn't post anything sheepworthy about MZ imo.
The entirety of what koshi has posted on mz:
On August 30 2022 16:43 Koshi wrote: I think MZ and copcake are potential mafia. I want to give MZ points for pointing copcake out but I can't.
On August 30 2022 16:47 Koshi wrote: Quick reasoning so they can defend themselves: MZ: sticking out but not in a helpful way. Creating discussion around problems he created. Like "this joke" is mafia. Yes, I like Tube for pointing out the joke reads were hilarious. Should I like MZ for helping me like Tube? No. I dont think I will. But maybe I should. MZ helped me like Tube. Hmmm
Copcake: there was a post in the beginning I felt didnt fit in the thread. Cant remember what it was. I will revisit later.
On August 30 2022 16:49 Koshi wrote: Ah no. If MZ is mafia. Tube called him out. I like Tube. MZ still mafia. That I like tube doesnt change that.
Holyflare koshi's main read was on copcake from the beginning, and it almost made him change his mind about MZ, as you see in the first post above, so when you say he got distracted by copcake i think that is actually incorrect. Nothing major but it suggests to me you are only skimming/half reading.
I think HF's post and vote here are lazy.
I also find it a bit... odd that Vivax also goes for MZ on the basis that it was the first filter he read.
Or maybe MZ is being super scummy and I just don't see it.
On August 30 2022 22:57 Holyflare wrote: Well you're right about me being lazy, I didn't really extrapolate more because I feel like Koshi summed up MZ pretty well. I think his posts are a bit robotic, needlessly antagonistic and nitpicky about things that I don't think people would normally take qualms with.
MZ: sticking out but not in a helpful way. Creating discussion around problems he created. Like "this joke" is mafia. Yes, I like Tube for pointing out the joke reads were hilarious. Should I like MZ for helping me like Tube? No. I dont think I will. But maybe I should. MZ helped me like Tube. Hmmm
Then he gets distracted with copcake and his copcake read is causing him to have back and forth thoughts on MZ. For instance, even though he concludes that it's probably tinfoil and could be a bus I think if you read between the lines in #285 his mind kind of settles on that maybe he's taking the MZ read too far (at least IMO).
After a bit of back and forth with Cop, he then kinda derails even further and just throws out random names.
As far as MZ is concerned:
• #246 I don't think Copcake could be considered fluff posting at any stage of the game (in fact, I get the same tinfoil vibes that Koshi did even because Copcake is such a random name to throw out that it doesn't look like anything more than partner vibes). In my view, it's obvious why Cop was asking Rayn about if I was in the game because that leads to the evaluation of whether what I'm posting has any merit to it or not. It doesn't seem like fluff at all. This is made even worse because #247 in the very next post he's even asking Rayn about his original post. Sure, it's a clarification and slightly helpful but it's the height of hypocrisy just after saying Cop was fluff posting about stuff like this.
• I think his general approach to Dec has been bad. Dec's post was obviously a joke, I'd made like 1 post calling myself town. In the same breath that he calls Dec mafia in #250 for not making it an obvious joke, he's highlighting my post saying "This is an obvious joke" but not putting two and two together that that was basically the only post I made so Dec's post is obviously massively facetious. In my mind, I would expect MZ to admit he might have misread it as serious when it was a joke and back off a bit but he doubles down and that's bad.
• #252 is what I would classify in my initial summary as "robotic". The "agree to disagree" into "talk to me about Jock" into "what do you think of Cop?" is such an awkwardly written post in comparison to anything else he's done. It feels clumsy, like he doesn't actually care about the follow up but he's just kind of leaving out empty questions. He hasn't elaborated any more about Cop since his first statement, hasn't highlighted any posts about Cop, nor has he been really determined to do anything about Cop. Compare this to what he talked about with regards to Dec and the tinfoil team is just reinforced even further.
Hope that clarifies stuff for you.
It does clarify it, thanks. I disagree and I don't think MZ is mafia. Especially with your explanation, although I can see where you're coming from, my previous experience with MZ consists mainly of me being mafia and trying to lynch him on day 1 for the same kind of thing. I don't see it being alignment indicative for MZ specifically, because he always reads the game in his own way, which can come across the way you've explained it, but never ends up actually being because he's mafia. Consider what rayn said about it:
On August 30 2022 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi top town. I sm not sure if stuff on Cake and MZ makrs them mafia but nevertheless its legit stuff and townie thought process. Esp on MZ he uses very weird narratives in his scumhunting on what he thinks makes people mafia. Pretty sure he got lynched for it as town last game i played with him.
Do you think that this is a valid way to see the situation? It rings more true to me than MZ being mafia.
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I'm more interested in Vivax with his vote timing and general lack of interest in the game. I feel like we might not even see much more of vivax on day 1 now he's voted.
Just rereading the post above i was being a little vague/general in my explanation, so here is a post i made in my first game. I was mafia, MZ was town:
On March 02 2019 11:13 Jockmcplop wrote: Is it me or is meapak throwing suspicion around without actually trying to get any information? Looks like that is the only story of the last couple of pages
Which posts do you mean here? the stuff about Conversion or LS or earlier?
Well he always seems to use a question to imply suspicion, but doesn't press for an answer to the question afterwards and is happy to argue about his own motivations instead.
On March 02 2019 10:33 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Damdred aren't masons even though I wish we were masons
Y u say this?
This is the most suspicious thing in the game.
What I said or what LS said?
Again using a simple one line question to imply suspicion on LS.
The he changes up and goes after conversion, again by asking a simple question deigned to imply suspicion, this time implying suspicion whilst claiming to assume no suspicion:
On March 02 2019 10:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: What does it matter who he picked and why if he isn't actually mafia?
lol who says he's not mafia?
u said you thought he was BSing in that post, so why did you care how he chose people? especially since it was almost certainly completely arbitrary
I mean I doubt he just gave up the entire scum team (which is why I said it was probably BS) but I certainly don't think he's somehow cleared. I'm even more interested now since he has apparently read my poking at him as me thinking I've got an "ironclad case"
Then all of a sudden he really starts pushing the 'suspicion' angle again contradicting his claimthat he thinks it was BS by saying its a safe mafia move to make that kind of post.
On March 02 2019 10:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: What does it matter who he picked and why if he isn't actually mafia?
lol who says he's not mafia?
is your ironclad case of me being mafia the fact that I threw 6 random names as mafia?
On March 02 2019 10:55 Chezinu wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:50 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:45 Tumblewood wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] Y u say this?
This is the most suspicious thing in the game.
nuh uh this is
On March 02 2019 10:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:41 Conversion wrote: [quote]
yeah we should lynch him for lying tbh
Hmm.
I'm gonna go with the assumption that you're just BSing. But I wanna know why you picked those specific players for you scum team?
I can get behind this case. Absolutely.
Holyflare,
Corporate has heard of your desires to be included in the case concerning Conversion. You are now lead investigator on the manner. The executive committee is proud of your high quality work that has been done in such a short amount of time. I am confident that you will perform well in this investigation.
Go forth! Chezinu Isunizehc
I don't think he's casing me unless I'm reading his quote wrong
I wonder where you read me having an ironclad case on you.
riddle me this: if you believe me to be mafia, in what world would my first post in a rather dull thread be exposing any of my teammates? if you were to believe I was mafia, as a townie you wouldn't care about my list as you'd have to believe I'm playing against mafia win condition by unnecessarily exposing my teammates for a joke post that wasn't even funny
if you believe I am town, then the order doesn't matter cause I'm just making a dumb joke
This is literally all WIFOM lol. Do we still say that around here?
Personally, because of Trfel already (presumably) fake claiming scum in the thread, your "dumb joke" strikes me as a fairly safe entry type post for someone who is scum. I wanted to see what reasons you had for your list since scum often have a habit of including one or two of their teammates in lists like that. And if nothing else you talking about your list could spark a little conversation.
After this he drops the thing and goes back to suspecting LS..
All the while the town has gained nothing but a couple of pages of contradictions and random looking suspicion.
There are similarities between this and the suspicions you have of MZ. Especially your third point above about how he asks 'empty questions' or throws suspicion around and seems to drop things and move on when it doesn't look like the appropriate thing to do. I'm not implying that your suspicion of him makes you mafia, but just trying to explain my thought process on why i disagree.
On August 30 2022 23:22 Holyflare wrote: It's fine if you disagree but I'm still going to pursue the MZ avenue because I will never trust anyone's individual meta reads over my own basic fact finding and interrogation on a game by game basis.
I think your explanation and Rayn's fit into the same category, although I think Rayn's can come from mafia sometimes since I feel like the explanation on Koshi is a bit overexplain-y and sure about himself (but it's been a while since I've played with rayn properly and in the back of my head it seems to fit with my picture of rayn just fine anyway).
I'm happy to give Rayn the benefit of the doubt and call him townie for it because building up town reads, especially in the form of Koshi, is nothing but beneficial in the early game and I think highlighting that Koshi got eliminated in the last game for doing the same thing really narrows down that avenue for a miselimination if Rayn were mafia (which I don't think would be his angle).
Vivax is in a bit of an odd spot. I've played a couple of games with him on MU and while he's been somewhat aloof in those games, there's been times where he's really driven down wild narratives/explanations that I haven't seen here yet. I don't think his vote on MZ is bad, obviously, and I don't really think saying it's the first filter he opened is bad lol but I do understand why he's not posting as much here. It's a bit of a tedious experience comparatively for quality of life features :D
Temporarily postponing thoughts on Vivax until he posts something useful that I disagree vehemently with (in which case he's probably town :D), or MZ shines like a townie beacon.
OK I can agree to disagree as I don't want to sit here protecting a town read all day.
Before I give anything significant on slam i need a bit of time to go through some old games. I was confident at one point on how to read him, but i've forgotten alot of that so i need to do some research. At the moment i'm kind of keeping up with new posts but i'm also in the middle of watching The Sandman on Netflix, which is very enjoyable, so right now i'm a bit too distracted for research.
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