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Let's start with this:
On November 25 2020 02:12 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 25 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote:
Trfel's posting is also dead-on with his previous town games. His entrance shows he is reading the thread. He also has this "peculiar" way of making his reads as town, which I will elaborate on if I feel he is in danger of getting lynched. I think he has also appropriately pinged Grack's posts, as well as Rayn's relative passivity, which shows a degree of careful reading in the early game Can you elaborate more on this subject? Like in more detailed way, quote what he said and explain how it is as you wrote here. I got a bit more busy with work, so i am gonna be around properly in about 3.5 hrs. Until then i am just watching mostly. Show nested quote +Rayn's relative passivity, which shows a degree of careful reading in the early game Mainly this post: Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 15:03 Trfel wrote:
While I'm at it, raynpelikoneet feels a bit off to me too. Reason being that he seemed like a bit of a push-over. No quotes right now because I'm on my phone and I'm too lazy to get up and walk to my computer. I'm used to raynpelikoneet being fairly stubborn, so this behavior seems strange to me.
He said he couldn't read Alakaslam, and then later agreed about leaning town on Alakaslam. And he was suspicious of me for sensible reasons, and then ended up calling me maybe town.
It would make sense if he liked my townread of Alakaslam, agreeing with it and then townreading me as well, but (1) would that really be enough to sway him from his initial read in both cases, and (2) he continued to poke at my Alakaslam townread to point out what he perceived as flaws with it.
Hm. It's easy for Trfel to make a throwaway "suspicious of Rayn" post, but he ends up fairly justifiable suspicions given the early-game context. Based on my own interactions with you this game (Rayn), I am also somewhat surprised that we aren't ranting at each other yet. This doesn't make you inherently mafia, but the tone is different enough for me to take notice, and for me to nod my head when others take notice.
Let's see what Trfel's accusation towards me was.
- "seemed like a bit of a push-over"
- "He said he couldn't read Alakaslam, and then later agreed about leaning town on Alakaslam"
First of all i am trying to play differently from the last game in terms of not jumping on everything and not getting annoyed by stupid shit. Aside from those two things i think i played pretty perfect game and every time it mattered (aka the lynches) i ended up on the right answer every single time in the game. I mainly don't want to jump on Hapa as i usually tend to do because in case he is town we know where that will end up on as it happened a couple of games ago (the one with shockeyy and whoever other person was mafia). I ended up ruining my own whole game just to call Hapa mafia after he got annoyed at me and started intentionally acting like i think he would as mafia (lol). So yeah, you can call me "push-over" or whatever you want but that doesn't mean anything regarding my alignment.
The second part is more interesting to me. I think it was very clear to everyone why i townread Slam. I even made two posts about it. These two:
On November 24 2020 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Now this is actually a townie question i have been waiting anyone to ask. 
On November 24 2020 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 09:15 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 09:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Why is hapa NOT campaigning then? Now this is actually a townie question i have been waiting anyone to ask. Well Yeah which is why you wanting it to be you or him was sus as hell but then Trfel came and put his pants on his head and shat on the carpet so I was too busy going “wtf” at that. Plus the occam’s razor hamblin’s razor whichever one. I dont know if you realised it but i have been kinda being after this from my first post to him. I guess i can reveal my this thing: now. Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay, we'll see about that later on then. Then i am also not gonna post the follow up i was going to yet.  I dont really think Hapa is town atm. I think he should at least maybe have some reads he doesnt atm.
I still don't know why Hapa doesn't want to be mayor. And it stinks. I dont necessarily buy the "i dont wanna be town leader" because to me it doesnt sit right. Why dont you want to lead the town if youre likely to be right (as you should at least think you are if youre town) and you are generally a good scumhunter? I just dont get it.
Especially coupled with one of Hapa's later posts:
On November 25 2020 00:41 Hapahauli wrote:
In general, we should be voting for someone who 1) is valuable to the town if alive, and 2) has a reasonable chance of getting shot on N1. Slam does not fit category 2, even if he looks super town. Even if Grack starts looking more town, he also does not fit category 2.
Which of you everyone think Hapa does not fit these categories? Raise your hand and i will immediately call you mafia....
But that was not the main point. The main point was that i think both of Hapa and Trfel thinking it's a good observation that "rayn says he cannot read Slam and then reads him town anyways" is at best crappy as hell because good posts make people town and bad posts make them mafia most of the time. Slam made the best observation (at least in my mind -- and there should be no doubt about it for anyone who is reading the game properly) in the game at that point. No matter if i think i cant read slam i am going to give him town credit for that. Notably aswell, for Hapa this shouldnt be any surprise because in the last game i also said i cant read slam and i cant read acro and i was amongst the first to yell they are mafia....
So yeah there is that. Now i am going to look at the trfel/grack interaction and then post my reads.
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Oh yeah i ended up calling Trfel maybe town yesterday because he at least almost did the town!Trfel thing.
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Eh i read the first three or four posts and Grack already comes off as very townie lol...
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On November 25 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote:
Trfel's posting is also dead-on with his previous town games.
Which mafia games of his did you read to reach this conclusion?
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On November 25 2020 06:22 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 06:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Eh i read the first three or four posts and Grack already comes off as very townie lol... Idk man, grack these past few games as town has been lack luster then this game is straight up try hard.
Idk man, if grack is try hard this game does it alone make him mafia?
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Also i dont even think that's true. Grack has played very good town games in the near pat, i agree that like one or two years ago i would sign on what you said. However atm i really think you are the most likely player to be mafia shockeyy, I dont think you have been even remotely connected to the game or following along, and i think that generally makes you mafia. I dont want you to be mafia though so can you please try to play if youre town?
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lol
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On November 25 2020 06:29 Alakaslam wrote:
Ok yes but rayn why aren’t you running for mayor then? And why didn’t you?
I mean it is too late now but if that was how you felt, why did you not at least vote yourself and say what you would do?
Despite your apparently good play I am really hung up on that from you. I see a town reason to play that way, and I do see a scum reason as well.
So
We will see if you are honest (or can fool me) or if you just don’t reply
huh what? have i ever even implied i dont want to be mayor? why is it too late for me to "run" for mayor? why do i have to do some sort of "campaign"? I guess you americans like your presidental bullshit circus but yeah no...
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On November 25 2020 06:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Out of curiosity Rayn, what is my motive or incentive as mafia to not run for Mayor, if I am a "natural" mayoral candidate?
idk, maybe to be less of "town leader" as you said, sit in the sidelines more and justify not being shot.
i dont know why mafia does stupid stuff. you do those as well as anyone else does
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It is not really that you have done anything scummy Hapa. It is just weird that i can't really reasonably justify as either alignment and when that's the case i tend to think it is more likely to come from mafia since i dont know why mafia does things. I mean like especially glowingbear always tries to justify every shit he does as mafia as "why would i do this as mafia". It doesnt really matter, if it doesnt make sense for town then it's probably mafia.
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On November 25 2020 06:35 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 25 2020 06:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Out of curiosity Rayn, what is my motive or incentive as mafia to not run for Mayor, if I am a "natural" mayoral candidate? idk, maybe to be less of "town leader" as you said, sit in the sidelines more and justify not being shot. i dont know why mafia does stupid stuff. you do those as well as anyone else does Let's assume that I am mafia-hapa, trying to live a lazy-scum-life and therefore avoiding the limelight. Would it still not be a good strategy for me to be elected mayor? I would have quite a nice excuse for being alive later in the game.
But you'd have to lead. Which you as per your own words do not want to do.
Lynch kills you regardless of bodyguard.
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I dont really know what you want from me here?
Do you like think it's scummy for me to think there is something wrong with best town player in the game not wanting to be mayor?
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On November 25 2020 06:38 Hapahauli wrote:
Fair enough. I'd like to see what you think about the trfel/grack stuffs.
I think Grack comes off really townie from that exchange. I dont think there is anything scummy per se for Trfel either, maybe he is actually "worse" of a nitpicker than i am since i dont even understand his original shit -- or like i get it but i dont really see how it would make Grack anything and it feels like every other post he wants to call Grack mafia and then he says not really :D
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Oh for the record there is no way in hell Vivax is mafia this game.
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Or Jock most likely either. This is how my reads come i assume lol ^^
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I am basically looking at
shockeyy, ff as mafia.
TT has fallen off quite tremendously after his (i think) townie start.
Then there is Hapa and Trfel.
Everyone else i am quite comfortable calling town.
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I think Vivax is actually reading the game and making at least vivax!reasonable points. I think he is like my nemesis when we are both town (lol), he will probably call me mafia like 100 times this game and i think his conspiracy theories can even ruin the game for the town at times.... But anyways i think there has been like one game pretty much EVER when i have not been able to determine Vivax as mafia -- and very early -- when he has been mafia. He can post stupid ass shit, he can not even make any sense at all but the no matter if the game is 10 pages or 100 pages mafia!Vivax doesn't care to read the thread at all with any insight, period. Pretty much it was the post i asked him about, the Slam thing about Slam trying to make friends with you Hapa. I think it is too convoluted read to make if you are Vivax and play as mafia as Vivax plays as mafia. That's pretty much it, there are some other minor points like him getting and WILLFULLY getting into an argument with you, but the main point is that he is genuinely reading the game more than mafia!Vivax would.
I dont really get what you are saying about Grack? I think Grack is a tricky and a smart player but i dont really think he is trying to make anything out of nothing here?
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On November 25 2020 06:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am basically looking at
shockeyy, ff as mafia.
TT has fallen off quite tremendously after his (i think) townie start.
Then there is Hapa and Trfel.
Everyone else i am quite comfortable calling town.
Why is your first choice to always think I’m mafia 
Maybe because i am mafia?
No for real, it is mostly poe for me for you at the moment. Maybe it is because of your situation rl, maybe it is because you are mafia. I don't know so please help me in case you are not. I know you dont tend to make/have reads early on. Has that changed after last game?
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On November 25 2020 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont really get what you are saying about Grack? I think Grack is a tricky and a smart player but i dont really think he is trying to make anything out of nothing here?
If there is anything that bothers me about Grack it is that i dont get how he has a townread on Hapa. "making reads" isn't really a town thing in itself.
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I am sorry i dont trust your reasoning
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