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Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

December 02 2020 00:55 GMT

#1560

On December 02 2020 09:18 Tictock wrote:

Last thing I will pull up

Hapa I was really hoping you would enguage me on this.

I understand you were burnt out from being interrogated by mafia!Ryan but this was why I went hard on you because I felt as town this was our chance to work together.

Yeah mental state was not such that I could have avoided lynching you. I think.

Which is ofc my fault.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

December 02 2020 01:09 GMT

#1564

Going through the mafia QT is a treat. It's been a long time since I've played in a game with two experienced mafia players.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

December 02 2020 01:19 GMT

#1567

On December 02 2020 10:18 Grackaroni wrote:
I put in some hard hitting analysis at the end of the obs QT.

Who were you planning on recruiting if you lived?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

December 02 2020 03:37 GMT

#1592

On December 01 2020 07:15 Hapahauli wrote:
FYI, I did confirm roleblock mechanics with the host.

The Jailkeeper is divided into 2 actions:
1) A roleblock that resolves first...
2) And THEN a save.

This roleblock has the same priority as the mafia RB.

So, in the scenario where:
Player A is Jailkeeper
Player B is Mafia RB
Player C is a townie

If Player A JK's Player B, and;
If Player B both RB's Player A and shoots Player C;

Player C survives that interaction, and Player B's KP is blocked.

Therefore, we are in a position tomorrow (assuming we lynch mafia today) where Trfel, even if he is shot, can RB someone and confirm them as town or mafia.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

December 02 2020 03:46 GMT

#1595

It doesn’t matter who the mafia RB is. JK RB and Mafia RB have the same priority.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

December 02 2020 03:47 GMT

#1596

Trfel gets notified of being roleblocked because the “save” portion of his role is blocked.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

December 02 2020 15:48 GMT

#1619

After reading the QT and thinking about the end-game some more, I pretty strongly disagree with the decision to end the game. While I do not want to have the effect of "piling" on criticism of some hosting decisions, I do think some constructive criticism is warranted.

DYH has already touched on some reasons, namely maintaining the consistency of hosting position (i.e. sticking by the initial decision of seeking the approval of the whole mafia team for a concession).

In addition, having the game ripped out from under a player who does not agree to concede creates a lot of unnecessary hard feelings, and I would rather a game drag on for an unnecessarily long time rather than do that to any player.

Finally, I do not believe even a forced concession by the hosts was appropriate. In my view, mafia had options (exceptionally low percentage ones) to continue the game. If mafia have any chance, no matter how small, I do not feel it is appropriate for the hosts to step in. Consider the following options for mafia:
1) The game is "over" only if Rayn gets lynched first and all townies perfectly cooperate in thread. Mafia have a chance to push a mislynch on me in the endgame.
2) Mafia have arguments (albeit bad ones) that Trfel is not the JK, or that mafia held the shot.
3) At the time I posted my plan, FF and Trfel had not "agreed" with it. It is not really a game-winning plan unless all townies see it, agree to it, and execute it.
4) One of the townies in the game could very well go AFK, or Trfel could forget to submit a night action.
5) Mafia could argue that the situation is not 2 mafia v. 3 town, but rather, 2 mafia v. 1 third party v. 2 town OR 1/1/3.

I can go on and on, but the point is that the game isn't "technically" over, and ending the game has the potential to create a lot of hard post-game feelings if hosts can determine when a game is over, especially if a mafia player feels like they want to explore those low-percentage options. There are definitely some grey lines in there.

All and all, I feel that the best policy is that no concessions should be allowed unless the entire mafia team agrees to concede. I believe intelligent people can disagree on this, but that is what I feel about the situation.

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