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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 22:54 GMT
#1881
I wonder if what we are doing here is smart or absurd knowing mafiabteam could be Onegu and slam.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2020 22:54 GMT
#1882
yeah kill slam.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2020 22:55 GMT
#1883
+ Show Spoiler +
kill hapa
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2020 22:58 GMT
#1884
On November 04 2020 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 03 2020 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1.Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales (mafia)

7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

now who gets lynched who is not mafia in each thread? maybe shockeyy was the assumed scapegoat in the second thread. Maybe acrofales was the only mafia in first thread? I wouldnt bank on onegu/grack 1v1 and you definitely dont want to lynch yourself and you cannot pretty much lynch anyone out of iamp/hapa/dirk.


This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here.

Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day.

So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them.

This is all nothing but what i said. Literally nothing else than what i said before, hapa just +1'd me. NOTHING. NOT A SINGLE THING.
if you take out the below, which is completely role-related:
Show nested quote +
The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu:

On October 30 2020 03:35 Acrofales wrote:
If so shoot onegu.


On October 30 2020 03:46 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?

He has no intention to play the game. I know onegu is often like this, but more likely he is *completely* useless when scum. He is now *completely* useless and I don't want to waste time, thought or effort on him. So having a self-claimed 3p shoot him seems like a neat solution! And then when he flips scum, you are super unlikely to be scum with him, and it is also less likely you have some weird cultist crap. Could still be SK, but that sounds easy to deal with.


Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game.

I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies.

he was roleblocked, seemingly by mafia. Okay what else?
Analysis of how he was rb'd by mafia and what it means. super deep lengths? okay you may say that, how is that deeper than my analysis when i dont know what he does?

in the end he wants to take acro's words by face value, i do too, to some point, iamp DOES NOT, but still hapa went to different lengths in analysis than i did. What the fuck man?

i stand by this. good night for real now
table for two on a tv tray
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 03 2020 23:02 GMT
#1885
On November 04 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 03 2020 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1.Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales (mafia)

7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

now who gets lynched who is not mafia in each thread? maybe shockeyy was the assumed scapegoat in the second thread. Maybe acrofales was the only mafia in first thread? I wouldnt bank on onegu/grack 1v1 and you definitely dont want to lynch yourself and you cannot pretty much lynch anyone out of iamp/hapa/dirk.


This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here.

Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day.

So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them.

This is all nothing but what i said. Literally nothing else than what i said before, hapa just +1'd me. NOTHING. NOT A SINGLE THING.
if you take out the below, which is completely role-related:
The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu:

On October 30 2020 03:35 Acrofales wrote:
If so shoot onegu.


On October 30 2020 03:46 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?

He has no intention to play the game. I know onegu is often like this, but more likely he is *completely* useless when scum. He is now *completely* useless and I don't want to waste time, thought or effort on him. So having a self-claimed 3p shoot him seems like a neat solution! And then when he flips scum, you are super unlikely to be scum with him, and it is also less likely you have some weird cultist crap. Could still be SK, but that sounds easy to deal with.


Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game.

I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies.

he was roleblocked, seemingly by mafia. Okay what else?
Analysis of how he was rb'd by mafia and what it means. super deep lengths? okay you may say that, how is that deeper than my analysis when i dont know what he does?

in the end he wants to take acro's words by face value, i do too, to some point, iamp DOES NOT, but still hapa went to different lengths in analysis than i did. What the fuck man?

i stand by this. good night for real now


We definitely know that iamperfection and I were switched, and Acro really was upset about it. That could mean he wanted to stack three mafia in group one if iamperfection is mafia, if it was 4 mafia vs 2 town, that's not likely, but a 3v3 is more likely, since they would only need one vote to have majority. However, that didn't happen and that may have forced hapa to vote Acro for town cred.
Life?
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
November 03 2020 23:05 GMT
#1886
On November 04 2020 08:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 03 2020 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1.Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales (mafia)

7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

now who gets lynched who is not mafia in each thread? maybe shockeyy was the assumed scapegoat in the second thread. Maybe acrofales was the only mafia in first thread? I wouldnt bank on onegu/grack 1v1 and you definitely dont want to lynch yourself and you cannot pretty much lynch anyone out of iamp/hapa/dirk.


This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here.

Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day.

So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them.

This is all nothing but what i said. Literally nothing else than what i said before, hapa just +1'd me. NOTHING. NOT A SINGLE THING.
if you take out the below, which is completely role-related:
The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu:

On October 30 2020 03:35 Acrofales wrote:
If so shoot onegu.


On October 30 2020 03:46 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?

He has no intention to play the game. I know onegu is often like this, but more likely he is *completely* useless when scum. He is now *completely* useless and I don't want to waste time, thought or effort on him. So having a self-claimed 3p shoot him seems like a neat solution! And then when he flips scum, you are super unlikely to be scum with him, and it is also less likely you have some weird cultist crap. Could still be SK, but that sounds easy to deal with.


Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game.

I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies.

he was roleblocked, seemingly by mafia. Okay what else?
Analysis of how he was rb'd by mafia and what it means. super deep lengths? okay you may say that, how is that deeper than my analysis when i dont know what he does?

in the end he wants to take acro's words by face value, i do too, to some point, iamp DOES NOT, but still hapa went to different lengths in analysis than i did. What the fuck man?

i stand by this. good night for real now


We definitely know that iamperfection and I were switched, and Acro really was upset about it. That could mean he wanted to stack three mafia in group one if iamperfection is mafia, if it was 4 mafia vs 2 town, that's not likely, but a 3v3 is more likely, since they would only need one vote to have majority. However, that didn't happen and that may have forced hapa to vote Acro for town cred.

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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 23:06 GMT
#1887
On November 04 2020 08:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 03 2020 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1.Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales (mafia)

7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

now who gets lynched who is not mafia in each thread? maybe shockeyy was the assumed scapegoat in the second thread. Maybe acrofales was the only mafia in first thread? I wouldnt bank on onegu/grack 1v1 and you definitely dont want to lynch yourself and you cannot pretty much lynch anyone out of iamp/hapa/dirk.


This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here.

Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day.

So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them.

This is all nothing but what i said. Literally nothing else than what i said before, hapa just +1'd me. NOTHING. NOT A SINGLE THING.
if you take out the below, which is completely role-related:
The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu:

On October 30 2020 03:35 Acrofales wrote:
If so shoot onegu.


On October 30 2020 03:46 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?

He has no intention to play the game. I know onegu is often like this, but more likely he is *completely* useless when scum. He is now *completely* useless and I don't want to waste time, thought or effort on him. So having a self-claimed 3p shoot him seems like a neat solution! And then when he flips scum, you are super unlikely to be scum with him, and it is also less likely you have some weird cultist crap. Could still be SK, but that sounds easy to deal with.


Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game.

I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies.

he was roleblocked, seemingly by mafia. Okay what else?
Analysis of how he was rb'd by mafia and what it means. super deep lengths? okay you may say that, how is that deeper than my analysis when i dont know what he does?

in the end he wants to take acro's words by face value, i do too, to some point, iamp DOES NOT, but still hapa went to different lengths in analysis than i did. What the fuck man?

i stand by this. good night for real now


We definitely know that iamperfection and I were switched, and Acro really was upset about it. That could mean he wanted to stack three mafia in group one if iamperfection is mafia, if it was 4 mafia vs 2 town, that's not likely, but a 3v3 is more likely, since they would only need one vote to have majority. However, that didn't happen and that may have forced hapa to vote Acro for town cred.

Lol your so bad read acros role.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 23:07 GMT
#1888
On November 04 2020 08:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 03 2020 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1.Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales (mafia)

7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

now who gets lynched who is not mafia in each thread? maybe shockeyy was the assumed scapegoat in the second thread. Maybe acrofales was the only mafia in first thread? I wouldnt bank on onegu/grack 1v1 and you definitely dont want to lynch yourself and you cannot pretty much lynch anyone out of iamp/hapa/dirk.


This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here.

Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day.

So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them.

This is all nothing but what i said. Literally nothing else than what i said before, hapa just +1'd me. NOTHING. NOT A SINGLE THING.
if you take out the below, which is completely role-related:
The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu:

On October 30 2020 03:35 Acrofales wrote:
If so shoot onegu.


On October 30 2020 03:46 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?

He has no intention to play the game. I know onegu is often like this, but more likely he is *completely* useless when scum. He is now *completely* useless and I don't want to waste time, thought or effort on him. So having a self-claimed 3p shoot him seems like a neat solution! And then when he flips scum, you are super unlikely to be scum with him, and it is also less likely you have some weird cultist crap. Could still be SK, but that sounds easy to deal with.


Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game.

I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies.

he was roleblocked, seemingly by mafia. Okay what else?
Analysis of how he was rb'd by mafia and what it means. super deep lengths? okay you may say that, how is that deeper than my analysis when i dont know what he does?

in the end he wants to take acro's words by face value, i do too, to some point, iamp DOES NOT, but still hapa went to different lengths in analysis than i did. What the fuck man?

i stand by this. good night for real now


We definitely know that iamperfection and I were switched, and Acro really was upset about it. That could mean he wanted to stack three mafia in group one if iamperfection is mafia, if it was 4 mafia vs 2 town, that's not likely, but a 3v3 is more likely, since they would only need one vote to have majority. However, that didn't happen and that may have forced hapa to vote Acro for town cred.

How did Hapa killing TTTTT further mafia agenda?
I had a good night of sleep.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 03 2020 23:09 GMT
#1889
On November 04 2020 08:07 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 08:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 03 2020 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1.Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales (mafia)

7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

now who gets lynched who is not mafia in each thread? maybe shockeyy was the assumed scapegoat in the second thread. Maybe acrofales was the only mafia in first thread? I wouldnt bank on onegu/grack 1v1 and you definitely dont want to lynch yourself and you cannot pretty much lynch anyone out of iamp/hapa/dirk.


This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here.

Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day.

So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them.

This is all nothing but what i said. Literally nothing else than what i said before, hapa just +1'd me. NOTHING. NOT A SINGLE THING.
if you take out the below, which is completely role-related:
The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu:

On October 30 2020 03:35 Acrofales wrote:
If so shoot onegu.


On October 30 2020 03:46 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?

He has no intention to play the game. I know onegu is often like this, but more likely he is *completely* useless when scum. He is now *completely* useless and I don't want to waste time, thought or effort on him. So having a self-claimed 3p shoot him seems like a neat solution! And then when he flips scum, you are super unlikely to be scum with him, and it is also less likely you have some weird cultist crap. Could still be SK, but that sounds easy to deal with.


Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game.

I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies.

he was roleblocked, seemingly by mafia. Okay what else?
Analysis of how he was rb'd by mafia and what it means. super deep lengths? okay you may say that, how is that deeper than my analysis when i dont know what he does?

in the end he wants to take acro's words by face value, i do too, to some point, iamp DOES NOT, but still hapa went to different lengths in analysis than i did. What the fuck man?

i stand by this. good night for real now


We definitely know that iamperfection and I were switched, and Acro really was upset about it. That could mean he wanted to stack three mafia in group one if iamperfection is mafia, if it was 4 mafia vs 2 town, that's not likely, but a 3v3 is more likely, since they would only need one vote to have majority. However, that didn't happen and that may have forced hapa to vote Acro for town cred.

How did Hapa killing TTTTT further mafia agenda?


On November 04 2020 07:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 07:38 iamperfection wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:35 iamperfection wrote:
I presume I was RB’d by mafia N0 means hes presuming that mafia did it not that hes presuming he was role blocked at all


I don't think town has a rb ability sadly. There's only been one roleblock a night. That throws your theory out the window.

THEN HE WAS ROLEBLOCKED BY MAFIA


This can be explained if TT instead got rb n0. Looking at the post history, it's quite possible TT didn't even read Hapa's rb claim. Day1 post was at 700, TT enters thread past 1000. That's far fetched, but that's the closest I've gotten to explaining it.


My only other thought is that mafia "RB" themselves on purpose if TT wasn't actually rb. These are just my hypotheticals on how Hapa could possibly be mafia.
Life?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 23:19 GMT
#1890
On November 04 2020 08:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 08:07 Koshi wrote:
On November 04 2020 08:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 03 2020 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1.Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales (mafia)

7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

now who gets lynched who is not mafia in each thread? maybe shockeyy was the assumed scapegoat in the second thread. Maybe acrofales was the only mafia in first thread? I wouldnt bank on onegu/grack 1v1 and you definitely dont want to lynch yourself and you cannot pretty much lynch anyone out of iamp/hapa/dirk.


This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here.

Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day.

So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them.

This is all nothing but what i said. Literally nothing else than what i said before, hapa just +1'd me. NOTHING. NOT A SINGLE THING.
if you take out the below, which is completely role-related:
The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu:

On October 30 2020 03:35 Acrofales wrote:
If so shoot onegu.


On October 30 2020 03:46 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?

He has no intention to play the game. I know onegu is often like this, but more likely he is *completely* useless when scum. He is now *completely* useless and I don't want to waste time, thought or effort on him. So having a self-claimed 3p shoot him seems like a neat solution! And then when he flips scum, you are super unlikely to be scum with him, and it is also less likely you have some weird cultist crap. Could still be SK, but that sounds easy to deal with.


Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game.

I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies.

he was roleblocked, seemingly by mafia. Okay what else?
Analysis of how he was rb'd by mafia and what it means. super deep lengths? okay you may say that, how is that deeper than my analysis when i dont know what he does?

in the end he wants to take acro's words by face value, i do too, to some point, iamp DOES NOT, but still hapa went to different lengths in analysis than i did. What the fuck man?

i stand by this. good night for real now


We definitely know that iamperfection and I were switched, and Acro really was upset about it. That could mean he wanted to stack three mafia in group one if iamperfection is mafia, if it was 4 mafia vs 2 town, that's not likely, but a 3v3 is more likely, since they would only need one vote to have majority. However, that didn't happen and that may have forced hapa to vote Acro for town cred.

How did Hapa killing TTTTT further mafia agenda?


Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 07:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:38 iamperfection wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:35 iamperfection wrote:
I presume I was RB’d by mafia N0 means hes presuming that mafia did it not that hes presuming he was role blocked at all


I don't think town has a rb ability sadly. There's only been one roleblock a night. That throws your theory out the window.

THEN HE WAS ROLEBLOCKED BY MAFIA


This can be explained if TT instead got rb n0. Looking at the post history, it's quite possible TT didn't even read Hapa's rb claim. Day1 post was at 700, TT enters thread past 1000. That's far fetched, but that's the closest I've gotten to explaining it.


My only other thought is that mafia "RB" themselves on purpose if TT wasn't actually rb. These are just my hypotheticals on how Hapa could possibly be mafia.

stop drinking the rayn koolaid
I had a good night of sleep.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 03 2020 23:21 GMT
#1891
On November 04 2020 08:19 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 08:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 08:07 Koshi wrote:
On November 04 2020 08:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 03 2020 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1.Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales (mafia)

7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

now who gets lynched who is not mafia in each thread? maybe shockeyy was the assumed scapegoat in the second thread. Maybe acrofales was the only mafia in first thread? I wouldnt bank on onegu/grack 1v1 and you definitely dont want to lynch yourself and you cannot pretty much lynch anyone out of iamp/hapa/dirk.


This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here.

Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day.

So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them.

This is all nothing but what i said. Literally nothing else than what i said before, hapa just +1'd me. NOTHING. NOT A SINGLE THING.
if you take out the below, which is completely role-related:
The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu:

On October 30 2020 03:35 Acrofales wrote:
If so shoot onegu.


On October 30 2020 03:46 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?

He has no intention to play the game. I know onegu is often like this, but more likely he is *completely* useless when scum. He is now *completely* useless and I don't want to waste time, thought or effort on him. So having a self-claimed 3p shoot him seems like a neat solution! And then when he flips scum, you are super unlikely to be scum with him, and it is also less likely you have some weird cultist crap. Could still be SK, but that sounds easy to deal with.


Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game.

I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies.

he was roleblocked, seemingly by mafia. Okay what else?
Analysis of how he was rb'd by mafia and what it means. super deep lengths? okay you may say that, how is that deeper than my analysis when i dont know what he does?

in the end he wants to take acro's words by face value, i do too, to some point, iamp DOES NOT, but still hapa went to different lengths in analysis than i did. What the fuck man?

i stand by this. good night for real now


We definitely know that iamperfection and I were switched, and Acro really was upset about it. That could mean he wanted to stack three mafia in group one if iamperfection is mafia, if it was 4 mafia vs 2 town, that's not likely, but a 3v3 is more likely, since they would only need one vote to have majority. However, that didn't happen and that may have forced hapa to vote Acro for town cred.

How did Hapa killing TTTTT further mafia agenda?


On November 04 2020 07:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:38 iamperfection wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:35 iamperfection wrote:
I presume I was RB’d by mafia N0 means hes presuming that mafia did it not that hes presuming he was role blocked at all


I don't think town has a rb ability sadly. There's only been one roleblock a night. That throws your theory out the window.

THEN HE WAS ROLEBLOCKED BY MAFIA


This can be explained if TT instead got rb n0. Looking at the post history, it's quite possible TT didn't even read Hapa's rb claim. Day1 post was at 700, TT enters thread past 1000. That's far fetched, but that's the closest I've gotten to explaining it.


My only other thought is that mafia "RB" themselves on purpose if TT wasn't actually rb. These are just my hypotheticals on how Hapa could possibly be mafia.

stop drinking the rayn koolaid


I mean, I immediately sussed out Acro.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 03 2020 23:21 GMT
#1892
Can someone tell me if anything of value was accomplished in the last 20 pages of filter?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 03 2020 23:22 GMT
#1893
On November 04 2020 08:21 Hapahauli wrote:
Can someone tell me if anything of value was accomplished in the last 20 pages of filter?


Yes.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 23:24 GMT
#1894
On November 04 2020 08:21 Hapahauli wrote:
Can someone tell me if anything of value was accomplished in the last 20 pages of filter?

no
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
November 03 2020 23:47 GMT
#1895
On November 04 2020 08:22 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 08:21 Hapahauli wrote:
Can someone tell me if anything of value was accomplished in the last 20 pages of filter?


Yes.

On November 03 2020 00:32 iamperfection wrote:
yamato put a carrot next to who you kill as mayor

2. Hapahauli

3. Grackaroni

4. Onegu

5. Dirkzor

7. ShoCkeyy

8. Alakaslam

9. Tictock

10. Koshi

11. Raynpelikoneet

12. Yamato77

Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
November 03 2020 23:47 GMT
#1896
On November 04 2020 08:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 08:19 Koshi wrote:
On November 04 2020 08:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 08:07 Koshi wrote:
On November 04 2020 08:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 03 2020 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1.Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales (mafia)

7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

now who gets lynched who is not mafia in each thread? maybe shockeyy was the assumed scapegoat in the second thread. Maybe acrofales was the only mafia in first thread? I wouldnt bank on onegu/grack 1v1 and you definitely dont want to lynch yourself and you cannot pretty much lynch anyone out of iamp/hapa/dirk.


This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here.

Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day.

So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them.

This is all nothing but what i said. Literally nothing else than what i said before, hapa just +1'd me. NOTHING. NOT A SINGLE THING.
if you take out the below, which is completely role-related:
The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu:

On October 30 2020 03:35 Acrofales wrote:
If so shoot onegu.


On October 30 2020 03:46 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?

He has no intention to play the game. I know onegu is often like this, but more likely he is *completely* useless when scum. He is now *completely* useless and I don't want to waste time, thought or effort on him. So having a self-claimed 3p shoot him seems like a neat solution! And then when he flips scum, you are super unlikely to be scum with him, and it is also less likely you have some weird cultist crap. Could still be SK, but that sounds easy to deal with.


Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game.

I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies.

he was roleblocked, seemingly by mafia. Okay what else?
Analysis of how he was rb'd by mafia and what it means. super deep lengths? okay you may say that, how is that deeper than my analysis when i dont know what he does?

in the end he wants to take acro's words by face value, i do too, to some point, iamp DOES NOT, but still hapa went to different lengths in analysis than i did. What the fuck man?

i stand by this. good night for real now


We definitely know that iamperfection and I were switched, and Acro really was upset about it. That could mean he wanted to stack three mafia in group one if iamperfection is mafia, if it was 4 mafia vs 2 town, that's not likely, but a 3v3 is more likely, since they would only need one vote to have majority. However, that didn't happen and that may have forced hapa to vote Acro for town cred.

How did Hapa killing TTTTT further mafia agenda?


On November 04 2020 07:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:38 iamperfection wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:35 iamperfection wrote:
I presume I was RB’d by mafia N0 means hes presuming that mafia did it not that hes presuming he was role blocked at all


I don't think town has a rb ability sadly. There's only been one roleblock a night. That throws your theory out the window.

THEN HE WAS ROLEBLOCKED BY MAFIA


This can be explained if TT instead got rb n0. Looking at the post history, it's quite possible TT didn't even read Hapa's rb claim. Day1 post was at 700, TT enters thread past 1000. That's far fetched, but that's the closest I've gotten to explaining it.


My only other thought is that mafia "RB" themselves on purpose if TT wasn't actually rb. These are just my hypotheticals on how Hapa could possibly be mafia.

stop drinking the rayn koolaid


I mean, I immediately sussed out Acro.

On November 03 2020 00:32 iamperfection wrote:
yamato put a carrot next to who you kill as mayor

2. Hapahauli

3. Grackaroni

4. Onegu

5. Dirkzor

7. ShoCkeyy

8. Alakaslam

9. Tictock

10. Koshi

11. Raynpelikoneet

12. Yamato77

Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
November 03 2020 23:47 GMT
#1897
On November 04 2020 08:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 08:07 Koshi wrote:
On November 04 2020 08:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 03 2020 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1.Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales (mafia)

7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

now who gets lynched who is not mafia in each thread? maybe shockeyy was the assumed scapegoat in the second thread. Maybe acrofales was the only mafia in first thread? I wouldnt bank on onegu/grack 1v1 and you definitely dont want to lynch yourself and you cannot pretty much lynch anyone out of iamp/hapa/dirk.


This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here.

Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day.

So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them.

This is all nothing but what i said. Literally nothing else than what i said before, hapa just +1'd me. NOTHING. NOT A SINGLE THING.
if you take out the below, which is completely role-related:
The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu:

On October 30 2020 03:35 Acrofales wrote:
If so shoot onegu.


On October 30 2020 03:46 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?

He has no intention to play the game. I know onegu is often like this, but more likely he is *completely* useless when scum. He is now *completely* useless and I don't want to waste time, thought or effort on him. So having a self-claimed 3p shoot him seems like a neat solution! And then when he flips scum, you are super unlikely to be scum with him, and it is also less likely you have some weird cultist crap. Could still be SK, but that sounds easy to deal with.


Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game.

I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies.

he was roleblocked, seemingly by mafia. Okay what else?
Analysis of how he was rb'd by mafia and what it means. super deep lengths? okay you may say that, how is that deeper than my analysis when i dont know what he does?

in the end he wants to take acro's words by face value, i do too, to some point, iamp DOES NOT, but still hapa went to different lengths in analysis than i did. What the fuck man?

i stand by this. good night for real now


We definitely know that iamperfection and I were switched, and Acro really was upset about it. That could mean he wanted to stack three mafia in group one if iamperfection is mafia, if it was 4 mafia vs 2 town, that's not likely, but a 3v3 is more likely, since they would only need one vote to have majority. However, that didn't happen and that may have forced hapa to vote Acro for town cred.

How did Hapa killing TTTTT further mafia agenda?


Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 07:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:38 iamperfection wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:35 iamperfection wrote:
I presume I was RB’d by mafia N0 means hes presuming that mafia did it not that hes presuming he was role blocked at all


I don't think town has a rb ability sadly. There's only been one roleblock a night. That throws your theory out the window.

THEN HE WAS ROLEBLOCKED BY MAFIA


This can be explained if TT instead got rb n0. Looking at the post history, it's quite possible TT didn't even read Hapa's rb claim. Day1 post was at 700, TT enters thread past 1000. That's far fetched, but that's the closest I've gotten to explaining it.


My only other thought is that mafia "RB" themselves on purpose if TT wasn't actually rb. These are just my hypotheticals on how Hapa could possibly be mafia.

On November 03 2020 00:32 iamperfection wrote:
yamato put a carrot next to who you kill as mayor

2. Hapahauli

3. Grackaroni

4. Onegu

5. Dirkzor

7. ShoCkeyy

8. Alakaslam

9. Tictock

10. Koshi

11. Raynpelikoneet

12. Yamato77

Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
November 03 2020 23:48 GMT
#1898
On November 04 2020 08:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 03 2020 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1.Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales (mafia)

7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

now who gets lynched who is not mafia in each thread? maybe shockeyy was the assumed scapegoat in the second thread. Maybe acrofales was the only mafia in first thread? I wouldnt bank on onegu/grack 1v1 and you definitely dont want to lynch yourself and you cannot pretty much lynch anyone out of iamp/hapa/dirk.


This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here.

Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day.

So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them.

This is all nothing but what i said. Literally nothing else than what i said before, hapa just +1'd me. NOTHING. NOT A SINGLE THING.
if you take out the below, which is completely role-related:
The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu:

On October 30 2020 03:35 Acrofales wrote:
If so shoot onegu.


On October 30 2020 03:46 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?

He has no intention to play the game. I know onegu is often like this, but more likely he is *completely* useless when scum. He is now *completely* useless and I don't want to waste time, thought or effort on him. So having a self-claimed 3p shoot him seems like a neat solution! And then when he flips scum, you are super unlikely to be scum with him, and it is also less likely you have some weird cultist crap. Could still be SK, but that sounds easy to deal with.


Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game.

I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies.

he was roleblocked, seemingly by mafia. Okay what else?
Analysis of how he was rb'd by mafia and what it means. super deep lengths? okay you may say that, how is that deeper than my analysis when i dont know what he does?

in the end he wants to take acro's words by face value, i do too, to some point, iamp DOES NOT, but still hapa went to different lengths in analysis than i did. What the fuck man?

i stand by this. good night for real now


We definitely know that iamperfection and I were switched, and Acro really was upset about it. That could mean he wanted to stack three mafia in group one if iamperfection is mafia, if it was 4 mafia vs 2 town, that's not likely, but a 3v3 is more likely, since they would only need one vote to have majority. However, that didn't happen and that may have forced hapa to vote Acro for town cred.

On November 03 2020 00:32 iamperfection wrote:
yamato put a carrot next to who you kill as mayor

2. Hapahauli

3. Grackaroni

4. Onegu

5. Dirkzor

7. ShoCkeyy

8. Alakaslam

9. Tictock

10. Koshi

11. Raynpelikoneet

12. Yamato77

Writer@WriterYamato
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 03 2020 23:54 GMT
#1899
I get it yamato. :p
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 03 2020 23:54 GMT
#1900
On November 04 2020 06:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 05:52 iamperfection wrote:
you need to just embrace the chaos my friend.


What? as town you'd want to embrace peace. I'm curious why Acro was so upset by you and I switching as I think about it more.


Because would be really dumb for scum to claim it. I flip town time traveler it would focus attn on him. Scum wouldn't want to do this...

My problem with rayn is and I say this in the best possible way even though he is normally a asshole he is never obtuse and he is this game and it's bothering the crap out of me.
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