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On October 29 2020 02:16 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 23:57 Acrofales wrote:
Slam, what gives you any indication scum hasn't posted? That means you have town reads on dirk, rayn, lamp and myself from like... 2 pages. I don't buy it. That’s fine, my opinion is out there. You may not buy it but I obviously do. It’s my gut read on people’s posting plus. Sure, it’s early and bold. I still feel that dirk, rayn, Iamp, and acro are all town. Scum can lurk and plenty of players still havent posted (as far as I have caught up to, which is like page 8) I don’t like discussing our plans openly however. Why tell scum and any 3P what we are doing?
On October 29 2020 02:17 Alakaslam wrote:
In other words, I agree with Iamp. Scum hunt not mechanics discussion.
In these two posts, Slam establishes a preference for "scum hunting" rather than talking about the setup. This should mean that his posts should be geared to finding mafia, and his attitude should generally be positive towards any discussion geared toward finding mafia.
The problem is that his subsequent post is the opposite:
On October 29 2020 03:26 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 29 2020 03:20 Alakaslam wrote:On October 29 2020 02:32 iamperfection wrote:On October 29 2020 02:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:On October 29 2020 02:18 iamperfection wrote:On October 29 2020 02:16 Alakaslam wrote:On October 28 2020 23:57 Acrofales wrote:
Slam, what gives you any indication scum hasn't posted? That means you have town reads on dirk, rayn, lamp and myself from like... 2 pages. I don't buy it. That’s fine, my opinion is out there. You may not buy it but I obviously do. It’s my gut read on people’s posting plus. Sure, it’s early and bold. I still feel that dirk, rayn, Iamp, and acro are all town. Scum can lurk and plenty of players still havent posted (as far as I have caught up to, which is like page 8) I don’t like discussing our plans openly however. Why tell scum and any 3P what we are doing? It seems just silly to think and somewhat disrespectful to acro and Rayns potential mafia play. meh, I can agree with Slams statement, I've watched mafia literally AFK (including myself) all game and let town destroy itself. You agree that everyone posting is town? Which by this point I obv no longer believe. More people have posted since 8 Who is mafia then? Why is ShoCkeyy both busier than me and capable of more activity? And hapa duh dude lol.
This post is completely mentally incongruent with his previous attitude. It is basically designed to shut down and brush off substantive discussion, particularly the "duh" portion of the post.
In his first post, he talks about scum hunting.
In his next post, he is explicit that his scum-read on me should be so obvious that is not even worth discussion.
That does not sound town to me.
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I admire the bravado. I do.
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Ryan's already soft-claimed vigi and hard-claimed some alignment thing, so who knows.
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On October 29 2020 07:30 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 06:25 Hapahauli wrote:On October 29 2020 02:16 Alakaslam wrote:On October 28 2020 23:57 Acrofales wrote:
Slam, what gives you any indication scum hasn't posted? That means you have town reads on dirk, rayn, lamp and myself from like... 2 pages. I don't buy it. That’s fine, my opinion is out there. You may not buy it but I obviously do. It’s my gut read on people’s posting plus. Sure, it’s early and bold. I still feel that dirk, rayn, Iamp, and acro are all town. Scum can lurk and plenty of players still havent posted (as far as I have caught up to, which is like page 8) I don’t like discussing our plans openly however. Why tell scum and any 3P what we are doing? On October 29 2020 02:17 Alakaslam wrote:
In other words, I agree with Iamp. Scum hunt not mechanics discussion. In these two posts, Slam establishes a preference for "scum hunting" rather than talking about the setup. This should mean that his posts should be geared to finding mafia, and his attitude should generally be positive towards any discussion geared toward finding mafia. The problem is that his subsequent post is the opposite: On October 29 2020 03:26 Alakaslam wrote:On October 29 2020 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 29 2020 03:20 Alakaslam wrote:On October 29 2020 02:32 iamperfection wrote:On October 29 2020 02:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:On October 29 2020 02:18 iamperfection wrote:On October 29 2020 02:16 Alakaslam wrote:On October 28 2020 23:57 Acrofales wrote:
Slam, what gives you any indication scum hasn't posted? That means you have town reads on dirk, rayn, lamp and myself from like... 2 pages. I don't buy it. That’s fine, my opinion is out there. You may not buy it but I obviously do. It’s my gut read on people’s posting plus. Sure, it’s early and bold. I still feel that dirk, rayn, Iamp, and acro are all town. Scum can lurk and plenty of players still havent posted (as far as I have caught up to, which is like page 8) I don’t like discussing our plans openly however. Why tell scum and any 3P what we are doing? It seems just silly to think and somewhat disrespectful to acro and Rayns potential mafia play. meh, I can agree with Slams statement, I've watched mafia literally AFK (including myself) all game and let town destroy itself. You agree that everyone posting is town? Which by this point I obv no longer believe. More people have posted since 8 Who is mafia then? Why is ShoCkeyy both busier than me and capable of more activity? And hapa duh dude lol. This post is completely mentally incongruent with his previous attitude. It is basically designed to shut down and brush off substantive discussion, particularly the "duh" portion of the post. In his first post, he talks about scum hunting. In his next post, he is explicit that his scum-read on me should be so obvious that is not even worth discussion. That does not sound town to me. Had to step out by the time you posted the first instance of this, then caught up. Hapa do you notice that the comment on ShoCkeyy is a reply to a very specific question by rayn regarding my post pointing out that I think non town have started playing? If you read it in that light (the truth) you’ll see the error in your logic with this. Still catching up. Workday almost done 
I'm not getting this.
It is true that earlier in the conversation, Rayn asked whether or not you felt non-town started playing. However, you didn't quote that post. You quoted Rayn's post that asked you "who is mafia?"
Do you think I'm mafia or not?
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Did we sort out what’s going on with the TL Mafia Database?
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I'd lean towards limiting visits to 1 or 2 people tops, since we don't know if mafia can visit the database. I.e if town sends 3, mafia could hypothetically send 1 person and increase the corruption counter.
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I asked GreYMist, and choosing "what effect the next stage of corruption level will cause" is not an option of choice.
You have to choose a player to target.
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Ask the damn host if you doubt me. I think people are misreading the OP.
I believe "what effect the next stage of corruption level will cause" is information as it relates to how the role of an individual player may change and/or increase in power if corruption level increases, rather than information about what corruption causes in general.
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I specifically asked whether I could look target the Corruption Counter and seek information on it. The response I got was that I must always target a player.
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Assuming that I have the option to do so, I will.
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On October 29 2020 18:24 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 06:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:On October 29 2020 06:26 yamato77 wrote:@Shockey On October 29 2020 05:37 yamato77 wrote:On October 29 2020 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:
"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."
So is there more than just town/mafia? :D
Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out. Why do you think you're a good candidate? I just am. I have no malintent for our database. I wish for you to be more forthcoming about your claim here. What do you intend to do if you do go to the database? Why should we trust you? Just trust me yo. If you're town, you'll trust me. If I'm mafia then Acro's post here becomes more relevant. On October 28 2020 23:06 Acrofales wrote:On October 28 2020 23:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean mafia, town, who? Ideally I'd send 3 mafia! (1) they can't use night actions, (2) they are almost certain to survive the night, and (3) even if they lie about their findings, catching a scummer in a lie like that is great info. So please, if you're mafia, volunteer to go to the TL Mafia Database tonight. It'll be a huge help! (obviously, volunteering for this duty is *not* a scumtell). Why? What? Lynch. "If I'm mafia"? Dafuq? Also, I got nothing to do with this. Kill with fire. Anyway, still catching up. My impressions so far of where I left off yesterday: Rayn needs to take a chill pill. He was going completely bonkers, and the whole Yamato thing was not cool. I understand Yamato: there are people I would also rather not play with, and seeing they signed up at the very last second can be offputting. I don't think it makes him town or scum. Imho the right thing to do is to shut up and replace out, but trying to second guess whether Yamato is playing *despite* Rayn because he's excited about the game, or because he feels some kind of obligation.. I dunno. In general, he hasn't impressed me and I still think Rayn is town, albeit one with cabin fever. If Yamato is town I hope he sits down and plays the game proper. If all he does is moan about Rayn, then he's probably scum with a lazy excuse. Hapa: you need to claim for real. Nothing you're doing makes sense. You claimed, you recanted your claim, you unrecanted your claim and you used your claim as a reaction test. I don't believe any of it. Claim your wincon and whether you have KP.
At no point did I recant my claim. My post about Slam "failing the test" is not me recanting my claim, despite what you are inferring.
I have no intention of full claiming, since certain powers I have are better used to the town if kept hidden. I have no intention of claiming any powers that I may or may not have.
For your purposes (and as stated above), I can win with the traditional town win-con (when all mafia and anti-town 3p are dead), so that is how I will play.
Additionally, and as I have stated many times in thread, I do intend to visit the database. I do not intend to specify who I will visit. I do intend to find information about the Corruption Counter. HOWEVER, given that myself, Rayn, and possibly Shockeyy will be visiting, this is seemingly problematic from a corruption counter perspective.
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On October 29 2020 14:44 yamato77 wrote:
Anyway as a note I must sleep now and I won't be back for quite a while. I can't post or read the thread during work so it will be something like 15 hours before I will be back. I hope if anyone has any Day 0 actions they use them well. Don't kill controversial people just because things got heated.
If somehow I die, an eventuality I do not discount, my only real scumread is Shockey. There's really not much to go on so far and about a third of the thread is one player's posts SO there's a lot of noise. The only person I'm confident enough to townread at the moment is iamp. I was suspicious of his seeming parroting of rayn early on but his break with rayn's line and his general demeanor since rayn left the thread gives me the impression he's honestly trying to solve the game.
I think Hapa is generally pro-town as well and I don't think it's a good idea to kill him when he can win with us. I doubt that Hapa's plan as mafia was to fakeclaim 3P on D0. That said I would like to know HOW he can win with town. I assume that means he can win if he's alive when town wins, and if that's the case then we should probably protect him. If he continues to be a voice of reason in the thread and gives out honest reads there's no reason mafia wouldn't target him and any town ability to save him could be truly useful, essentially allowing us an edge in numbers.
My win-condition is phrased approximately as "You have this [win condition], but you also win with town."
In my view, this means I can just win with town as if I was a normal townie, and that's how I intend to play.
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Thoughts on the game with a fresh set of eyes:
Onegu and Koshi are good vig targets at this point. No feelings on them either way - Koshi from a lack of posting, and Onegu from a lack of substance beyond a playfulness with is seeming role mechanic.
Rayn, Iamp, Dirk, and Yamato feel strongly not-mafia (be it VT, neutral 3rd party, pro-town 3rd party... whatever).
- Rayn can be dickish as mafia, but he is generally dickish with an agenda. I don't see any agenda in what he was doing last night other than pure tilt, which is much more likely to come from town.
- Iamp is very engaged and posting loosely.
- Dirk's posting history and story very much checks out with someone who has a game mechanic tied to the Corruption Counter. Claim is too attention seeking.
- Yamato is a meta read. His tone has stayed very productive and constructive.
The people that stick out to me as mafia candidates are Slam, Acro, and Grack (in no particular order).
- Slam's explanation for the "lol hapa duh" comment is plausible, in that he may have simply quoted the wrong post and made the comment in reference to me being "not town". However, there is a "calmness" to his posting that typically comes from his mafia games from recent memory.
- Grack has been reasonably active and has been posting, but he has been largely offering safe (and confident) opinions on claims (myself and Dirkzor), as well as fairly substanceless mechanics discussions. The vibe of his filter is that he is happy posting his opinion on something and moving on, rather than engaging the thread in meaningful ways.
- Acro's filter does not look good on a second readthrough. A lot of words and not a whole lot of substance. Two things in particular stick out:
1) very quick and confident judgments on the two claims (myself and Dirkzor). The read on Dirkzor in particular reads like he's grandstanding the importance of his read:
On October 29 2020 18:38 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 16:32 Dirkzor wrote:
##Commence Space-Time Destabilization
I'm claiming named town. I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson.
I've been thinking about this for a while now. I wasnt sure how to play this out or what do to. But i figured the best way to do it was to be open about it so that town can benefit the most from the information i am about to give.
I have a 1 shot ability (##Commence Space-Time Destabilization) that in 5 phases town will give a great benefit to town. Some kind of hint/info will be sent to me. I don't know what it is though. The downside is that the corruption level will increase by 1. (the flavor is that i spend a lot of database capacity to study "Event Horizon Level" and spent 5 phases doing that and will then have found the answer)
Further more I will show up as "3rd party" or "not town" if someone check my alignment. (i wasn't sure if this was town to write this. But my thought was that i'd rather be upfront and let you make your own conclusion instead of being checked N1 and then fight the uphill battle with the rest of the town and let mafia ride it out)
I also have a somewhat useful night action (for town) that i won't disclose for now.
I thought about what this will mean going further:
This will put a target on my back. I'm hoping i can be protected. And if not it will help other townies to come to their own conclusion.
This might be disruptive on the short term, but i hope the long term gain out weight this.
I wanted to do this as early as possible so to get the info as soon as possible. And figuring we dont vote on this day i thought it would be better to do it now rather than later.
I don't know what the corruption increase will do, but i'm willing to take that risk. I hope you do too. I didn't want to ask about this since it would be a whole lot of discussion where no-one knew anything anyway, and if we ended agreeing that i shouldn't do it, people would wonder if i actually could or not.
Anyway. Thats my claim. The timer should show up in thread so you can see my ability is real.
I'm in meeting the next 7 hours, but will do the multitask thingy =)
Wow. I actually believe you're town despite all this. It just feels wayyyy too ballsy for a scummer to pull off. Palmar or VE might do it, I guess? But claiming self-aware miller, increasing the corruption AND setting off a time bomb in the thread on N0? Seems way too reckless for mafia. I guess if it's the mother of all abilities?
2) His attempt to play "thread cop" after the Rayn/Yamato thing reads like an attempt to contribute without contributing. It's also exceptionally unproductive (since the argument was long gone by the time he showed up), and it only serves to dig up more drama.
On October 29 2020 18:24 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 06:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:On October 29 2020 06:26 yamato77 wrote:@Shockey On October 29 2020 05:37 yamato77 wrote:On October 29 2020 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:
"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."
So is there more than just town/mafia? :D
Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out. Why do you think you're a good candidate? I just am. I have no malintent for our database. I wish for you to be more forthcoming about your claim here. What do you intend to do if you do go to the database? Why should we trust you? Just trust me yo. If you're town, you'll trust me. If I'm mafia then Acro's post here becomes more relevant. On October 28 2020 23:06 Acrofales wrote:On October 28 2020 23:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean mafia, town, who? Ideally I'd send 3 mafia! (1) they can't use night actions, (2) they are almost certain to survive the night, and (3) even if they lie about their findings, catching a scummer in a lie like that is great info. So please, if you're mafia, volunteer to go to the TL Mafia Database tonight. It'll be a huge help! (obviously, volunteering for this duty is *not* a scumtell). Why? What? Lynch. "If I'm mafia"? Dafuq? Also, I got nothing to do with this. Kill with fire. Anyway, still catching up. My impressions so far of where I left off yesterday: Rayn needs to take a chill pill. He was going completely bonkers, and the whole Yamato thing was not cool. I understand Yamato: there are people I would also rather not play with, and seeing they signed up at the very last second can be offputting. I don't think it makes him town or scum. Imho the right thing to do is to shut up and replace out, but trying to second guess whether Yamato is playing *despite* Rayn because he's excited about the game, or because he feels some kind of obligation.. I dunno. In general, he hasn't impressed me and I still think Rayn is town, albeit one with cabin fever. If Yamato is town I hope he sits down and plays the game proper. If all he does is moan about Rayn, then he's probably scum with a lazy excuse. Hapa: you need to claim for real. Nothing you're doing makes sense. You claimed, you recanted your claim, you unrecanted your claim and you used your claim as a reaction test. I don't believe any of it. Claim your wincon and whether you have KP.
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On October 30 2020 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:I still have a couple of things that bother me a great deal. Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 03:42 Hapahauli wrote:On October 29 2020 03:29 Hapahauli wrote:
Therrre we go, Slam failed the test. To elaborate, he did the thing where mafia feels super uncomfortable to get into a discussion about a very chaotic topic (my claim), and instead of getting involved, addressed it in a super round-about way. Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 03:44 Hapahauli wrote:
Rayn and Iamp get A's.
Acro gets a B.
Grack gets a C+.
Shockey gets an Incomplete.
I just cant get over this. We get grades but why isn't Slam there? I dont understand it, Slam should get F by the post above. I also dont understand why Acrofales has been over on why i know shockeyy is town but not interested at all when Hapa knew i am town....
... I didn't see any sense in repeating myself:
On October 29 2020 03:29 Hapahauli wrote:
Therrre we go, Slam failed the test.
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Assuming that I answer that question, what do you intend to do with the information?
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I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?
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I was roleblocked.
Acro, does your ability allow you to control who goes into what thread?
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I did not visit the database, since there did not appear to be a clear consensus about what I should do. I elected for another night action that is objectively pro-town. I was roleblocked anyway, making it a moot issue.
My lynch preferences are Grack and Acro. The secret ballot makes this frustrating, but if we simply make our vote-intentions transparent in thread, if someone else gets lynched, we will likely be able to deduce who lied about their vote.
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