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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 02 2020 21:06 GMT
#1422
On November 03 2020 06:02 Onegu wrote:
I dont really want to put this out there, I could not be lying about my role but my faction he knows I am mafia and trys to get you to shoot me knowing it will power me up... This was before my claim.

Also if there is another gun you really should shoot me. The next day you still lynch and then I stop all kills for a cycle if I dont immediately sacrifice myself it is a scum claim and you react accordingly

good point lol
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 02 2020 21:13 GMT
#1424
i think hapa is a sk or he has to kill certain people before he can win.

Its why he wanted a full claim before.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 02 2020 21:19 GMT
#1427
On November 03 2020 06:17 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2020 06:07 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 03 2020 05:37 Hapahauli wrote:
That all aside, and mathematically speaking, it is optimal to lynch into "Thread B", since (assuming a standard 3p mafia team) there are 1-2 mafia present in that thread, vs. 0-1 in "Thread A". Therefore, we should look to killing Slam/Koshi before addressing Grack.

However, I do not believe Grack is clear.


Hmm...

I don't think anybody really asked, as I didn't see, but what made you shoot TT?

On November 02 2020 21:47 Hapahauli wrote:
I shot TT.


was it this?

On November 02 2020 18:54 Tictock wrote:
I checked Dirk, and it seems corruption is good for scum as the next level boosts their KP.

Assuming somebody is already assigned to checking tonight so I will not visit again.



I was going to shoot TT or Onegu that night. What made me decide on TT was the following:
1) Acro goading me into trying to shoot Onegu didn't sit right with me.
2) Onegu's behavior had been, pretty attention seeking in the early game. Yes he was lurking, but he was not contributing and getting in people's faces about it.
3) I wanted to essentially "un-do" the no-lynch in Thread B so we would have some information to work with from the votes.

So I submitted my night action and was asleep while TT did his posting last night. I woke up and he was dead.

In retrospect, I regret not waiting until N2 to take the shot, since it was rash to do so when I didn't yet know Acro's alignment.

or you dont care because you have to kill everybody
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 02 2020 21:22 GMT
#1429
On November 03 2020 06:20 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2020 06:19 iamperfection wrote:
On November 03 2020 06:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 03 2020 06:07 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 03 2020 05:37 Hapahauli wrote:
That all aside, and mathematically speaking, it is optimal to lynch into "Thread B", since (assuming a standard 3p mafia team) there are 1-2 mafia present in that thread, vs. 0-1 in "Thread A". Therefore, we should look to killing Slam/Koshi before addressing Grack.

However, I do not believe Grack is clear.


Hmm...

I don't think anybody really asked, as I didn't see, but what made you shoot TT?

On November 02 2020 21:47 Hapahauli wrote:
I shot TT.


was it this?

On November 02 2020 18:54 Tictock wrote:
I checked Dirk, and it seems corruption is good for scum as the next level boosts their KP.

Assuming somebody is already assigned to checking tonight so I will not visit again.



I was going to shoot TT or Onegu that night. What made me decide on TT was the following:
1) Acro goading me into trying to shoot Onegu didn't sit right with me.
2) Onegu's behavior had been, pretty attention seeking in the early game. Yes he was lurking, but he was not contributing and getting in people's faces about it.
3) I wanted to essentially "un-do" the no-lynch in Thread B so we would have some information to work with from the votes.

So I submitted my night action and was asleep while TT did his posting last night. I woke up and he was dead.

In retrospect, I regret not waiting until N2 to take the shot, since it was rash to do so when I didn't yet know Acro's alignment.

or you dont care because you have to kill everybody


In what world would an SK think it was a good idea to claim 3p?

in the world of greymist games where the roles are very complicated.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 02 2020 21:26 GMT
#1432
On November 03 2020 06:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Also FWIW, I intend to essentially claim my role at the end of N2, including what my 3p win condition is. At this point, I believe I can satisfy my condition while simultaneously being pro-town.

so according to you. You haven't visited anyone besides ticktcok because you were roleblocked correct?
Just for the record.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 02:01 GMT
#1450
+ Show Spoiler +
for postgame yamato made up this part of his role to entertain himself
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 02:03 GMT
#1451
rayn you haven't voted for yourself ?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 14:04 GMT
#1521
im voting yamato under protest
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 14:20 GMT
#1534
On November 03 2020 23:16 Dirkzor wrote:
But i can see a Slam/Onegu scum team.

Show nested quote +
On November 03 2020 09:38 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 03 2020 09:13 yamato77 wrote:
On November 03 2020 07:51 Alakaslam wrote:
TT flip matters a lot. What I read so far didn’t really seem illuminating to me at all.

Obviously can’t vote yama for mayor so Rayn gets my vote.

My role is expendable at this point. At least, stuff would have to happen to make me useful.

-poops-

“I know, I’ll vote for the dude who says I should be lynched!”

Obviously I can’t vote you.

Anyway.

Now that I am back at my teaching job and life is cool.

Iamp is lock town.
Hapa is more questionable than he was.
Onegu is general onegu which is similar to myself. Not a lot of time to play so low quality play in general. Makes it easier for scum to hide. If Iamp hadn’t been so quick to jump down my throat, his statements on Onegu would sway me.

Yama is clearly town.
My read on Koshi largely depends on how TT flips.
Rayn is obvious town to me.
Grackaroni is way in the background. Scum lean.
ShoCkeyy is too complex for me to disbelieve right now. Kill him if he lasts long.

Dirkzor is town IMO.


i dont know what slam is talking about there. I basically just berated onegu for being garbage which regardless of alignment we can agree on i think.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 14:29 GMT
#1538
On November 03 2020 23:26 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2020 23:04 iamperfection wrote:
im voting yamato under protest

congratulations on the defiler icon

?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 14:31 GMT
#1540
On November 03 2020 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw i have absolutely no idea why i am not eligible for mayor. I thought i did but it was not what i thought. I think i still might know but that would require me to have information i dont want to have rn.

host fuck up implies miss interaction between roles would be my guess.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 14:46 GMT
#1549
i dont get how you can edit quotes yamato but have to talk like that.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 14:52 GMT
#1553
slam or koshi he said
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 15:15 GMT
#1558
On November 04 2020 00:06 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2020 23:46 iamperfection wrote:
i dont get how you can edit quotes yamato but have to talk like that.


bolding is the same thing as editing
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 16:35 GMT
#1578
On November 04 2020 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 03 2020 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1.Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales (mafia)

7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

now who gets lynched who is not mafia in each thread? maybe shockeyy was the assumed scapegoat in the second thread. Maybe acrofales was the only mafia in first thread? I wouldnt bank on onegu/grack 1v1 and you definitely dont want to lynch yourself and you cannot pretty much lynch anyone out of iamp/hapa/dirk.


This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here.

Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day.

So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them.

The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu:

On October 30 2020 03:35 Acrofales wrote:
If so shoot onegu.


On October 30 2020 03:46 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?

He has no intention to play the game. I know onegu is often like this, but more likely he is *completely* useless when scum. He is now *completely* useless and I don't want to waste time, thought or effort on him. So having a self-claimed 3p shoot him seems like a neat solution! And then when he flips scum, you are super unlikely to be scum with him, and it is also less likely you have some weird cultist crap. Could still be SK, but that sounds easy to deal with.


Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game.

I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies.

Literally i said every piece of this shit. You can just say i agree with rayn.

i dont understand your mad he stole some of your ideas and made them easier to understand ?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 16:41 GMT
#1588
On November 04 2020 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 01:35 iamperfection wrote:
On November 04 2020 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 03 2020 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1.Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales (mafia)

7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

now who gets lynched who is not mafia in each thread? maybe shockeyy was the assumed scapegoat in the second thread. Maybe acrofales was the only mafia in first thread? I wouldnt bank on onegu/grack 1v1 and you definitely dont want to lynch yourself and you cannot pretty much lynch anyone out of iamp/hapa/dirk.


This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here.

Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day.

So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them.

The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu:

On October 30 2020 03:35 Acrofales wrote:
If so shoot onegu.


On October 30 2020 03:46 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?

He has no intention to play the game. I know onegu is often like this, but more likely he is *completely* useless when scum. He is now *completely* useless and I don't want to waste time, thought or effort on him. So having a self-claimed 3p shoot him seems like a neat solution! And then when he flips scum, you are super unlikely to be scum with him, and it is also less likely you have some weird cultist crap. Could still be SK, but that sounds easy to deal with.


Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game.

I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies.

Literally i said every piece of this shit. You can just say i agree with rayn.

i dont understand your mad he stole some of your ideas and made them easier to understand ?

i am not mad? he could have quoted me and said i agree with rayn instead of writing my words again. It's not really hapa-like imo.

i think he is expanding on your points a lot imo. Or at the very least making them more clear.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 16:48 GMT
#1596
yeah were not killing hapa until we absolutely have to.
He isnt on the scum team.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 17:03 GMT
#1608
On November 04 2020 02:02 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi do you wanna get Dirkzor in powah?

Yes. But not to lynch hapa.

do you have a problem with yamato outside of wanting to kill you?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 17:52 GMT
#1637
what do you think of dirkzor's self vote for mayor ?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 18:01 GMT
#1639
On November 04 2020 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 02:52 iamperfection wrote:
what do you think of dirkzor's self vote for mayor ?

i dont think dirkzor can sway the vote in any way if he is mafia.

it just seems so detached from what is going on
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