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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 20:30 GMT
#1748
Hapa will not survive 5 more rounds and rhis game might to there so who cares about hapa his alignment when there is slam and onegu
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 20:30 GMT
#1749
Hapa can win so long town alsp wins. And he isnt sk ever. Killing tt and claiming it lol.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 20:35 GMT
#1753
On November 04 2020 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 05:27 iamperfection wrote:
On November 04 2020 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 05:20 iamperfection wrote:
On November 04 2020 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
have you ever argued about anything in this game?

we are like each others favorite people to play with thats why we dont fight. Plus he is clearly not on the scum team and i am clearly not scum.


unless you are scumteam #2 when you can scumhunt anyways.
i know you are each others favorites or whatever but like you are not even blinking an eye on the shit he says. either you're gonna be sad when he says i was right after the game when he fucked us as 3p or you are scummers with him.

like you take some word choice and go off the deep end because of it.

I questioned hapa a lot. I dont even fully believe he isnt hiding stuff but if you look at most of the evidence he is clearly not on the scum team as he provided a lot of weight in killing acro. Claimed 3p in such a strange way it implies his win condition is very weird and is not part of the scum team there are just so many people that need to die before him.


i agree. while town has played very well we might lose because random shit.

We are up 1-0 and have an immortal doctor. And dirkzor is going to rain nukes on mafia in 2 days now?

Ez game ez life
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 20:36 GMT
#1756
On November 04 2020 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 05:35 Koshi wrote:
On November 04 2020 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 05:27 iamperfection wrote:
On November 04 2020 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 05:20 iamperfection wrote:
On November 04 2020 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
have you ever argued about anything in this game?

we are like each others favorite people to play with thats why we dont fight. Plus he is clearly not on the scum team and i am clearly not scum.


unless you are scumteam #2 when you can scumhunt anyways.
i know you are each others favorites or whatever but like you are not even blinking an eye on the shit he says. either you're gonna be sad when he says i was right after the game when he fucked us as 3p or you are scummers with him.

like you take some word choice and go off the deep end because of it.

I questioned hapa a lot. I dont even fully believe he isnt hiding stuff but if you look at most of the evidence he is clearly not on the scum team as he provided a lot of weight in killing acro. Claimed 3p in such a strange way it implies his win condition is very weird and is not part of the scum team there are just so many people that need to die before him.


i agree. while town has played very well we might lose because random shit.

We are up 1-0 and have an immortal doctor. And dirkzor is going to rain nukes on mafia in 2 days now?

Ez game ez life

i am also immortal and basically onegu's role :o

Ez game easier life.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 20:37 GMT
#1758
Pretty sure mafia will start killing townies the longer the games takes and destabilation goes up. That's why Onegu is just mafia or not thinking.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 20:40 GMT
#1761
Who cares rayn?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 21:06 GMT
#1774
On November 04 2020 05:46 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 05:35 Koshi wrote:
On November 04 2020 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 05:27 iamperfection wrote:
On November 04 2020 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 05:20 iamperfection wrote:
On November 04 2020 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
have you ever argued about anything in this game?

we are like each others favorite people to play with thats why we dont fight. Plus he is clearly not on the scum team and i am clearly not scum.


unless you are scumteam #2 when you can scumhunt anyways.
i know you are each others favorites or whatever but like you are not even blinking an eye on the shit he says. either you're gonna be sad when he says i was right after the game when he fucked us as 3p or you are scummers with him.

like you take some word choice and go off the deep end because of it.

I questioned hapa a lot. I dont even fully believe he isnt hiding stuff but if you look at most of the evidence he is clearly not on the scum team as he provided a lot of weight in killing acro. Claimed 3p in such a strange way it implies his win condition is very weird and is not part of the scum team there are just so many people that need to die before him.


i agree. while town has played very well we might lose because random shit.

We are up 1-0 and have an immortal doctor. And dirkzor is going to rain nukes on mafia in 2 days now?

Ez game ez life


How are we so sure dirks role is town positive??

I feel it in my penis.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 21:49 GMT
#1806
Dirk is not mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 22:14 GMT
#1831
On November 04 2020 06:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 06:49 Koshi wrote:
Dirk is not mafia.


What makes you say that?

1. His role is anti town and in thread.
2. He is quiet but when he says things they are interesting.
3. I dont have the feeling he is pushing mafia agenda while he is somewhat in a position to do so.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 22:30 GMT
#1850
The day was slow. You dumbasses blind trusted each other. TTTTT was seemingly ded. I assume Hapa joined the blind lynching mob and TTTTT was actually ded. And there is no chance Hapa is a 3p with a long win condition. At worst a small individual win condition.

Who cares really.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 22:32 GMT
#1854
On November 04 2020 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
why cannot there be 2 mafia teams of 2 ppl?

It can. But it is not something we entertain. Especially with no nkills lol.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 22:33 GMT
#1858
On November 04 2020 07:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So, check this out.

Hapa claims RB without even knowing if RB gets a pm, then immediately knows to vote Acro D1.

Show nested quote +
On November 02 2020 21:59 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 02 2020 21:54 Koshi wrote:
Question Hapa:

Is there a reason for mafia to fear your shot? This is not the gun Onegu was talking about earlier right?


My gun has nothing to do with Onegu... it’s not really a “gun”. It’s more like a zergling all-in.

I presume I was RB’d by mafia N0, so that would indicate some level of fear (see Acro’s fixation on directing my KP).


Why do you need to presume you were RB?

Show nested quote +
On November 03 2020 00:24 Hapahauli wrote:
OP says that roleblocks are notified.


Why do you need to check 4 days later if RB are notified? You definitely would have been notified.

Show nested quote +
On October 30 2020 21:16 Hapahauli wrote:
I was roleblocked.

Acro, does your ability allow you to control who goes into what thread?


Interesting lol
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 22:35 GMT
#1862
On November 04 2020 07:33 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 07:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So, check this out.

Hapa claims RB without even knowing if RB gets a pm, then immediately knows to vote Acro D1.

On November 02 2020 21:59 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 02 2020 21:54 Koshi wrote:
Question Hapa:

Is there a reason for mafia to fear your shot? This is not the gun Onegu was talking about earlier right?


My gun has nothing to do with Onegu... it’s not really a “gun”. It’s more like a zergling all-in.

I presume I was RB’d by mafia N0, so that would indicate some level of fear (see Acro’s fixation on directing my KP).


Why do you need to presume you were RB?

On November 03 2020 00:24 Hapahauli wrote:
OP says that roleblocks are notified.


Why do you need to check 4 days later if RB are notified? You definitely would have been notified.

On October 30 2020 21:16 Hapahauli wrote:
I was roleblocked.

Acro, does your ability allow you to control who goes into what thread?


Interesting lol

Ah no. I see what he means lol. Town can also rb.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 22:36 GMT
#1864
There are no multiple factions holy shit. 0 nkills, 2 fzctions. Really? You think the zerglings will kill somebody else???
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 22:38 GMT
#1869
On November 04 2020 07:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 07:35 iamperfection wrote:
I presume I was RB’d by mafia N0 means hes presuming that mafia did it not that hes presuming he was role blocked at all


I don't think town has a rb ability sadly. There's only been one roleblock a night. That throws your theory out the window.

... hapa means that he assumes mafia rbed him, opposed to town. But he claims rb.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 22:54 GMT
#1881
I wonder if what we are doing here is smart or absurd knowing mafiabteam could be Onegu and slam.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 23:07 GMT
#1888
On November 04 2020 08:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 03 2020 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1.Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales (mafia)

7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

now who gets lynched who is not mafia in each thread? maybe shockeyy was the assumed scapegoat in the second thread. Maybe acrofales was the only mafia in first thread? I wouldnt bank on onegu/grack 1v1 and you definitely dont want to lynch yourself and you cannot pretty much lynch anyone out of iamp/hapa/dirk.


This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here.

Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day.

So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them.

This is all nothing but what i said. Literally nothing else than what i said before, hapa just +1'd me. NOTHING. NOT A SINGLE THING.
if you take out the below, which is completely role-related:
The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu:

On October 30 2020 03:35 Acrofales wrote:
If so shoot onegu.


On October 30 2020 03:46 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?

He has no intention to play the game. I know onegu is often like this, but more likely he is *completely* useless when scum. He is now *completely* useless and I don't want to waste time, thought or effort on him. So having a self-claimed 3p shoot him seems like a neat solution! And then when he flips scum, you are super unlikely to be scum with him, and it is also less likely you have some weird cultist crap. Could still be SK, but that sounds easy to deal with.


Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game.

I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies.

he was roleblocked, seemingly by mafia. Okay what else?
Analysis of how he was rb'd by mafia and what it means. super deep lengths? okay you may say that, how is that deeper than my analysis when i dont know what he does?

in the end he wants to take acro's words by face value, i do too, to some point, iamp DOES NOT, but still hapa went to different lengths in analysis than i did. What the fuck man?

i stand by this. good night for real now


We definitely know that iamperfection and I were switched, and Acro really was upset about it. That could mean he wanted to stack three mafia in group one if iamperfection is mafia, if it was 4 mafia vs 2 town, that's not likely, but a 3v3 is more likely, since they would only need one vote to have majority. However, that didn't happen and that may have forced hapa to vote Acro for town cred.

How did Hapa killing TTTTT further mafia agenda?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 23:19 GMT
#1890
On November 04 2020 08:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 08:07 Koshi wrote:
On November 04 2020 08:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 03 2020 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1.Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales (mafia)

7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

now who gets lynched who is not mafia in each thread? maybe shockeyy was the assumed scapegoat in the second thread. Maybe acrofales was the only mafia in first thread? I wouldnt bank on onegu/grack 1v1 and you definitely dont want to lynch yourself and you cannot pretty much lynch anyone out of iamp/hapa/dirk.


This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here.

Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day.

So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them.

This is all nothing but what i said. Literally nothing else than what i said before, hapa just +1'd me. NOTHING. NOT A SINGLE THING.
if you take out the below, which is completely role-related:
The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu:

On October 30 2020 03:35 Acrofales wrote:
If so shoot onegu.


On October 30 2020 03:46 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?

He has no intention to play the game. I know onegu is often like this, but more likely he is *completely* useless when scum. He is now *completely* useless and I don't want to waste time, thought or effort on him. So having a self-claimed 3p shoot him seems like a neat solution! And then when he flips scum, you are super unlikely to be scum with him, and it is also less likely you have some weird cultist crap. Could still be SK, but that sounds easy to deal with.


Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game.

I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies.

he was roleblocked, seemingly by mafia. Okay what else?
Analysis of how he was rb'd by mafia and what it means. super deep lengths? okay you may say that, how is that deeper than my analysis when i dont know what he does?

in the end he wants to take acro's words by face value, i do too, to some point, iamp DOES NOT, but still hapa went to different lengths in analysis than i did. What the fuck man?

i stand by this. good night for real now


We definitely know that iamperfection and I were switched, and Acro really was upset about it. That could mean he wanted to stack three mafia in group one if iamperfection is mafia, if it was 4 mafia vs 2 town, that's not likely, but a 3v3 is more likely, since they would only need one vote to have majority. However, that didn't happen and that may have forced hapa to vote Acro for town cred.

How did Hapa killing TTTTT further mafia agenda?


Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 07:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:38 iamperfection wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:35 iamperfection wrote:
I presume I was RB’d by mafia N0 means hes presuming that mafia did it not that hes presuming he was role blocked at all


I don't think town has a rb ability sadly. There's only been one roleblock a night. That throws your theory out the window.

THEN HE WAS ROLEBLOCKED BY MAFIA


This can be explained if TT instead got rb n0. Looking at the post history, it's quite possible TT didn't even read Hapa's rb claim. Day1 post was at 700, TT enters thread past 1000. That's far fetched, but that's the closest I've gotten to explaining it.


My only other thought is that mafia "RB" themselves on purpose if TT wasn't actually rb. These are just my hypotheticals on how Hapa could possibly be mafia.

stop drinking the rayn koolaid
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2020 00:53 GMT
#1913
TT blue. America Red.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2020 01:27 GMT
#1936
ShoCkeyy you are a weird man.
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