[M][N]Oil Futures Mafia

On April 25 2020 15:09 Alakaslam wrote:

Hey. Have you hacked into my acc? I dont know wbo you are, but PM me from and alt and I have multiple smurfs you can use. Ok?

I’ve changed the pass to this one. So. Please go to an alt and I’ll give you a smurf.

On April 29 2020 05:16 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI!

I'm town

On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:


Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post.
Maybe a bit of stimulation will help.

##Vote: FF

On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:


I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead.




You want to butt heads, eh? What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game?

On April 29 2020 06:59 Trfel wrote:
Fair enough, I didn't realize it was that many players. Thanks for explaining!You hosted last game, where I was lazy and town?

Come to think of it, GlowingBear, what do you think about Vivax's alignment?

On April 29 2020 12:58 Vivax wrote:
So after not being able to sleep through the night, today is the day a meteor apparently misses earth once again.
I have set up a little shrine sacrificing some stale mozzarella and pray to my favourite deity that it hits us.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_equation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NMDA_receptor



Lucca Gallo olive oil. Alternatively learn to grow tobacco and distill vodka from potatoes. I am.

Shitposting aside:
I think Kurumi and GB are reading too much into the Trfel 'future cop out' thing, but in a good way. Game still kinda looks like my mozzarella, and that helped.

Fefe why are you so unpassionate?

On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote:
@Alakaslam and GlowingBear, thanks for answering my questions.

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Anyway, I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment.Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post:Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about.

And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with.

Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts?

On April 29 2020 15:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But they are not. I also think FF and Slam are town but i am not that sure about it.

On April 29 2020 16:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's bad teasoning so i'd rather not discuss it yet.

Also i would really like to at least answer your case but i have a hard time understanding what youre accusing me of. Because youre saying i am doing similar things that i did as town or aomeone else did as town in some other game and that makes me MAFIA???

Also i always make reads that people find out to be for flimsy reasons early on in the game. Yes i think youre town and yes i think Trfel is town, whether or noy you like the reasoning that's something i do every single game as town (truth to be told probably in most games as mafia too).

I am also not trying to paint Kurumi mafia. I was simply just questioning the only thing i found to be worth questioning at that point of the game. I dont think i am getting more definite information on that, and i dont know what that makes Kurumi so i am just gonna let it go and see what he does after.

On April 29 2020 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am also one more time trying to clarify what is the problem i have with Kurumi. First he ask me about his opinion on Trfel. His opinion seems to be based on the following narrative:
- Mafia is scared to post, therefore making excuses to not post

It's simply no way Kurumi is even remotedly interested in Trfel's opening post unless the above is true. When i give my opinion on Trfel's posting (he had posted more in between), he says this:

This is okay alignment wise i think, i mean i can see it coming from a townie too -- the quote in itself not considering other things. The thing that interests me here is that Trfel is not actually being lazy as he claimed at the start of the game. When i confront this Kurumi says:

Now what? Now we should be interested in Trfel because he ISN'T lazy? Basically throughout the game so far Kurumi has been saying:
- Trfel is mafia because he is lazy and making excuses for not posting
- If that's not true after all he is still mafia because he is actually posting

aka, Trfel is mafia if he is not posting or if he is posting. What gives?

On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote:
Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help.

I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later.

No contribution so far:

Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post)
Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread)
Koshi (no posts at all)
Jockmcplop (no posts at all)
Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms)


Low-effort/medium activity

Shockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy)
Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway)
GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play)

Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me

Active

Vivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.)
Kurumi

Trfel
raynpelikoneet

I have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will.

And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting?



Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool.

So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy.

##vote Trfel

+ Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] +

On April 30 2020 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
Dislike rayns post on kurumi and i like kurumi so far

Shockckckckckeyyyy why is it a koshi mafia entrance and why did it take until jock voted for you to vote

On April 30 2020 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What do you dislike about my post?

On April 30 2020 11:08 GlowingBear wrote:


ye

On April 30 2020 11:11 GlowingBear wrote:


This is bad. The guy just started voting you out of a joke, then when FF pushed him, he said he genuinely thought you were mafia but now "have seen the light". It makes no sense from a town perspective. Why would he think you're mafia in the first place? Because of a weak meta read from Shockey? And what was so iron clad that he thought OKAY HAHA I GOT IT WRONG

It makes no sense as town and you should know it.
You have no reason to vote me.