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Trfel
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No time like the present. | ||
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I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? | ||
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On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote: I don't really see much of note currently. Interested by Holyflare voting for [UoN]Sentinel but I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment myself. Anything you want to talk about?I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? | ||
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On March 26 2020 11:38 Rels wrote: Lemme look and see if I can find the comfortable post I was thinking about (phone posting currently). I'm happy with my read currently, but I'm not going to be torn up if you and LightningStrike don't get on board until later.in my mind, Vivax doesn't have trouble D1 as mafia, he has trouble all game as mafia, so he can tryhard early but usually run out of steam sooner or later. I didn't think anything he posted was that "comfortable", I didn't even understand his joke lol | ||
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On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote: This is what I was referring to in particular, but throughout his play so far he feels really carefree.This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting. | ||
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On March 26 2020 12:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: This post makes no sense at all. Why are you voting for yourself if you think Holyflare's push is only to get the game started and not what he really thinks?!It's probably the latter, Rels ##vote [UoN]Sentinel | ||
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On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: Holyflare, I'm sorry I don't understand this, could you explain your thinking for me?If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. | ||
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However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this. | ||
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@GlowingBear, you seem to have severely misunderstood my post. On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: The first paragraph, that you described as noncomittal, is actually the best point against KelsierSC that has been brought up by someone other than Holyflare. See the quotes in question:Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary. However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this. On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: (emphasis mine)Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead ) going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads. On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote: These don't line up. I get that agreeing with someone's reads and reading them as town are different things, but in this case KelsierSC didn't like LightningStrike's logic or read results and never mentioned a positive thing. Just read the posts yourself, I still don't understand AT ALL how KelsierSC decided to townread LightningStrike there. There was nothing about the conversation that "felt ok."Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. | ||
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As to the second part, I saw something I didn't understand, so I asked about it. Holyflare explained it, it makes sense now. Yes, I'm pretty suspicious of KelsierSC. That's generally what it means when someone says they agree with a large case on them, and then provide additional reasons to scumread them. However I see no reason to vote currently. | ||
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On March 27 2020 05:08 GlowingBear wrote: If I were to vote currently I'd vote for KelsierSC, but I have some suspicions of Palmar I want to investigate further. But I'm going to play some Left for Dead 2 with a friend for a while. I tend to be more active in late evenings (US time).I believe this is actually very townie of Kelsier. He came to the thread, posted his impressions in a very objective manner. Having bad reads isn't alignment indicative, or it is, at least, town lean. I had the same impression Kelsier had with LS. The interaction feels natural. Who would you vote for now? What about the interaction made you feel like LightningStrike was town? I'm quite null on him currently. Like, what about it was towny? | ||
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I never know what to think of Holyflare. I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment. He hasn't posted much and the little he has posted contains a forced-feeling self-vote. I'm holding back judgement for now though, he may have some sort of explanation. I'd much rather kill KelsierSC than [UoN]Sentinel at this point, especially if KelsierSC isn't coming back. There are actual reasons to scumread KelsierSC, I greatly prefer that to [UoN]Sentinel, who is largely a question mark. | ||
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While I like where Palmar has placed his vote (KelsierSC), I don't like the rest of his play at all. And that's the main thing that has me concerned currently. Palmar typically has strong Day 1 play. He's very good at finding mafia on Day 1, and I believe he has one of the best Day 1 push mafia percentages on the site. However, that isn't seen in this game at all. Palmar has been almost entirely absent, despite having no excuse and nothing else to do (yay coronavirus). And it's not even a weekend. Furthermore, in the little time Palmar has been here, his presence has been extremely lacking. He sheeped Holyflare to vote onto KelsierSC (by itself not a bad choice), however the rest of his posts lack reasoning entirely: On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote: also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel. Just lynch those 4 and the game is over. On March 26 2020 22:56 Palmar wrote: This is a fine vote as well. Honestly I'd kill any of the 4 I mentioned. On March 26 2020 22:58 Palmar wrote: But the incriminating part here is that Palmar has no direction. He doesn't care who gets lynched, he's not pushing his targets, he's content to do nothing. I could potentially understand if he (somehow) had four targets he felt were about equally scummy, but he even says he rates ShoCkeyy as definitely mafia (in contrast to the rest of his lynch pool).I have upgraded shockeyy to definitely mafia. Palmar doesn't care about who gets lynched. From town perspective this makes no sense. To me it feels like he's just interested in surviving and is disinterested otherwise, or that KelsierSC is town and Palmar is trying to set up extra mislynches. But I don't know what to think, because I don't like KelsierSC either. I don't like unflipped association reads but while I do think they could be mafia together, it's probably less likely. So I'm a bit confused right now. Thoughts? | ||
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Getting kinda sick of this. Yes, I'm confused because one of my main scumreads is voting for the other one. I'm not confident enough in my reads to vote, given the circumstance. If you have any actual help or comments on my reads to help sort this out, I would really appreciate it. Otherwise, BUGGER OFF. | ||
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However it doesn't look like a Palmar wagon would have any support, making KelsierSC the best choice at the moment. I'll go vote for him in a moment. I'll be around for a little if anyone wants to talk. | ||
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Yet again, no one has responded to the actual thoughts I've been sharing, people are picking on meaningless semantics. And there's a ridiculously scummy person (KelsierSC) who definitely deserves to be killed but no one cares. He "redeemed himself" with a single post that contained actual thinking: On March 27 2020 20:14 KelsierSC wrote: I was never non-comittal about [UoN]Sentinel, I never said he was a scum lean. I never said I was holding back. I said I wanted to wait for more information and see how his play evolved, which made sense given the circumstance.Trfel Not a huge amount to write about him that hasn't been said. I think agreeing with HF isn't scummy it's a lot of writing with quotes and everything. The part I don't like is how he throws on some additional fire that actually says nothing about my alignment. feels like this is added on so it doesn't look like a blatant sheep I think his palmar case is ok but I don't recall Palmar being good on D1 but his point about it not being a weekend has merit and palmar's lack of direction is a fair comment. I do like his comment about palmar being an unlikely D1 lynch so vote me instead, that's a pretty town mindset. Finally he made some non commital stuff about sentinel , scum lean but holding back. I think trefl is good enough for a D1 pass. In this post KelsierSC even says that my two main pushes/scumreads, comprising the majority of my play this game, are both ok. Yet he still thinks I'm mafia. He's picking on semantics, making up reasons, and has absolutely NOT redeemed his earlier play. | ||
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On March 28 2020 02:31 Rels wrote: Rels, I don't really understand what you're saying here. You're saying I'm mafia because my case on Palmar is too simple? Like the reasoning is too obvious?Trfel I read everything you wrote and I've responded to you: Why can't a simple reason make someone mafia? I've found it's so easy to overthink things while simple reads are often overlooked and tend to be right. | ||
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