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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 22 2020 22:02 GMT
#35
I'm /in
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 00:52 GMT
#161
Hey just saw we started, I just finished up job stuff, I’ll check back in when I get home. Glad to see some old timers back.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 01:04 GMT
#162
K home writing from my phone going to catch up on my PC while playing some overwatCh and wait for BK to be delivered:|
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 01:12 GMT
#164
For the mean time, I'm going to place my vote on BlazingHand for not joining the game and only obsing...
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 01:42 GMT
#169
On March 26 2020 10:15 Chezinu wrote:
Quarantine Night 2




Dear Me,

The others didn't speak to me when I said hello and asked who they were. They spoke amongst themselves about me. They knew my name. Strange creatures they are.

Ray talked to me! He told me what he thought about the others. He such a beautiful thinker! I asked him about the ones we cannot see. I await his response.

Perhaps we shall try talking to thems again!


Best regards,

The One who Guides Your Hands


They always seem to like arguing in the beginning among themselves about who and who isn't mafia. That's like the new "meta" on the mafia forums now a days, can't even have a convo with others cause you're instantly labeled as mafia.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 02:13 GMT
#175
On March 26 2020 10:57 Chezinu wrote:
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On March 26 2020 10:42 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:15 Chezinu wrote:
Quarantine Night 2




Dear Me,

The others didn't speak to me when I said hello and asked who they were. They spoke amongst themselves about me. They knew my name. Strange creatures they are.

Ray talked to me! He told me what he thought about the others. He such a beautiful thinker! I asked him about the ones we cannot see. I await his response.

Perhaps we shall try talking to thems again!


Best regards,

The One who Guides Your Hands


They always seem to like arguing in the beginning among themselves about who and who isn't mafia. That's like the new "meta" on the mafia forums now a days, can't even have a convo with others cause you're instantly labeled as mafia.


Who is it that speakth?


GlowingBear, LightningStrike, Holyflare, and Sentinel mostly. In other games GlowingBear is typically doing that as town, and I’m this time around not going to even say anything. We always end up going against each other as town, and things never end good. So this time I’m staying away from him.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 02:40 GMT
#181
On March 26 2020 11:17 Chezinu wrote:
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On March 26 2020 11:13 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:57 Chezinu wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:42 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:15 Chezinu wrote:
Quarantine Night 2




Dear Me,

The others didn't speak to me when I said hello and asked who they were. They spoke amongst themselves about me. They knew my name. Strange creatures they are.

Ray talked to me! He told me what he thought about the others. He such a beautiful thinker! I asked him about the ones we cannot see. I await his response.

Perhaps we shall try talking to thems again!


Best regards,

The One who Guides Your Hands


They always seem to like arguing in the beginning among themselves about who and who isn't mafia. That's like the new "meta" on the mafia forums now a days, can't even have a convo with others cause you're instantly labeled as mafia.


Who is it that speakth?


GlowingBear, LightningStrike, Holyflare, and Sentinel mostly. In other games GlowingBear is typically doing that as town, and I’m this time around not going to even say anything. We always end up going against each other as town, and things never end good. So this time I’m staying away from him.



Hello GlowingBear, LightningStrike, Holyflare, and Sentinel mostly.! You have such a long name! Games!!??! I like to play games! ah so the memorizing glowing bear than did not talk to me when I said Hello is playing the silent game with you!??! I accidental played the silent game before... Well that's because no one was around.

What is this 'as town'?


We both always end up town together. Yet always end up calling each other mafia.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 02:43 GMT
#182
On March 26 2020 11:38 Rels wrote:
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On March 26 2020 11:31 Trfel wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:58 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!

I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?

why?
Vivax typically has trouble Day 1 as mafia, here he seems present and quite comfortable.

in my mind, Vivax doesn't have trouble D1 as mafia, he has trouble all game as mafia, so he can tryhard early but usually run out of steam sooner or later.
I didn't think anything he posted was that "comfortable", I didn't even understand his joke lol


For me vivax is a hard read first day.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 03:25 GMT
#190
On March 26 2020 12:04 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 26 2020 11:10 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:23 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:04 Holyflare wrote:
Time to vote Sentinel. Struggles with thread entrance, copies my nonchalant-ness to LS. Reads fake, easy mafia.

##vote Sentinel

"I'm voting for you because you did what I did"

That's not how you start a wagon silly


You did exactly what I did directly after me. It wasn't original or funny, it was just a mimic of someone who is town in an attempt to blend in. Everything you have done is neither constructive nor helpful. Even this quoted post doesn't construct a read, nor does it evaluate anything else in the thread or about my alignment or anyone elses.

You are mafia, simple as that.

is this what you really feel about sent, or is it strongly worded to make the game move?


Who am I voting for?


BlazingHand
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 03:27 GMT
#192
On March 26 2020 12:04 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 26 2020 11:10 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:23 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:04 Holyflare wrote:
Time to vote Sentinel. Struggles with thread entrance, copies my nonchalant-ness to LS. Reads fake, easy mafia.

##vote Sentinel

"I'm voting for you because you did what I did"

That's not how you start a wagon silly


You did exactly what I did directly after me. It wasn't original or funny, it was just a mimic of someone who is town in an attempt to blend in. Everything you have done is neither constructive nor helpful. Even this quoted post doesn't construct a read, nor does it evaluate anything else in the thread or about my alignment or anyone elses.

You are mafia, simple as that.

is this what you really feel about sent, or is it strongly worded to make the game move?


Who am I voting for?


Sentinel is also voting himself :D
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 13:52 GMT
#235
On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote:
also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.

Just lynch those 4 and the game is over.


What the shit? Why did you just auto include myself and trfel?
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 16:28 GMT
#244
On March 26 2020 22:58 Palmar wrote:
I have upgraded shockeyy to definitely mafia.


Cool man, you're so good at mafia. you got me..... not. worst reasoning this game to consider some one mafia done by Palmar.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 17:59 GMT
#246
On March 26 2020 18:31 Palmar wrote:
##vote KelsierSC


Vote for me if you think I'm mafia, what are you doing sheeping HF? That's extremely easy and the lazy thing to do as mafia.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 18:00 GMT
#248
On March 26 2020 21:49 Vivax wrote:
Let's keep it simple? Sent's first post was a joke about the opening post, possibly a result of him staring at it not knowing what to write. Then he became uncooperative and generally didn't look like he was having fun, but rather resorting to mimicking a zero-fucks attitude to provoke too-scummy-to-be-scum theories.

I like the wagon. We don't have to bite our teeth out to convince Kelsier.

##Vote: Sent


He's taking a play out of my playbook. I don't think Sent is scum yet.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 18:09 GMT
#250
On March 27 2020 03:00 Palmar wrote:
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On March 27 2020 01:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 26 2020 22:58 Palmar wrote:
I have upgraded shockeyy to definitely mafia.


Cool man, you're so good at mafia. you got me..... not. worst reasoning this game to consider some one mafia done by Palmar.

How do you know that? I have not given any reason for you to be mafia. Perhaps it’s the best reason!

Also no reason to be mad you got caught.


Not mad lol, idk why you would think I'm mad, I just think it's extremely funny to target me that quickly.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 18:25 GMT
#252
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:

And this is basically what's interesting right now.

Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.

##Vote: Holyflare


I also found this interesting as well. I don't get the push on either or, which is why I didn't even buy into it, yet Palmar followed along anyways.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 19:13 GMT
#263
On March 27 2020 03:56 GlowingBear wrote:
Here's where I'm at:

LS
LS is difficult to read but I have a feeling he is town, mostly because he seems interested in the game.

Palmar
He seems relaxed and having fun. He is also pushing who he thinks is mafia. Passable play.

KelsierSC
Had the same reaction I had on Holyflare's case. I can get behind his logic, even if he is overreacting.

Holyflare
Builds a whole case focusing on Kelsier but is voting Sentinel. His case seems constructed. I don't see him actively trying to solve the whole game, attacking relevant posts. Way too focused on an easy lynch. Not really how I expect him to play as town.


Trfel
Last post is veeeery very non-committal. Also, agrees with Holyflare on Sentinel but says he doesn't understand his case. Still not voting Sentinel.

Sentinel
Lynching himself makes no sense as town.

I'm not sure about Rels. Although I think he is not really taking strong stances, he is reacting accordingly to what is being posted on the thread. I wouldn't lynch him day1.

Chezinu is unreadable.

Vivax is tunneled on Sentinel on weak grounds. The only reason this is not a scum lean is because Vivax tends be like this as town too. @Vivax, what do you think of the other players?

I find Shockey unreadable at this point. Last time I've played with him, he seemed mafia as hell. Turns out he was town.


Yea I mentioned to Chen as well that I'm not even going to try to figure you out day one... every time that happens, we both go at each other for no reason and we both end up town anyways.

Do I find HF to be mafia? Sure. It does seem like it with that double play. But I don't agree on Palmar, if HF isn't mafia then Palmar is vice versa, or theyre both a team together.

Sentinel play can be construed as mafia, or a desperate townie trying to get HF off their back. We all know HF is a strong player in either position, but having played with HF before as mafia, I feel like he's playing as mafia this time around. the point of mafia team is to confuse the town. It's already starting to happen with his play.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 19:36 GMT
#269
On March 27 2020 04:07 Vivax wrote:
Oh ninjad:

Show nested quote +
Sentinel
Lynching himself makes no sense as town.


Yup, that's one of the reasons he's mafia for. Anti-town plays getting him read as town.
He didn't have any particular reason for coming snarky as that into the thread except for having rolled mafia.


Or it could mean he rather prove hes town with his death. I don't get the mentality of let's label him mafia because he self voted. It could also just be really bad play by town, this is definitely something I've done in the past, and have been labeled as mafia for it while I was town.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 19:39 GMT
#271
On March 27 2020 04:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
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On March 27 2020 04:07 Vivax wrote:
Oh ninjad:

Sentinel
Lynching himself makes no sense as town.


Yup, that's one of the reasons he's mafia for. Anti-town plays getting him read as town.
He didn't have any particular reason for coming snarky as that into the thread except for having rolled mafia.


Or it could mean he rather prove hes town with his death. I don't get the mentality of let's label him mafia because he self voted. It could also just be really bad play by town, this is definitely something I've done in the past, and have been labeled as mafia for it while I was town.


I do however understand the mentality of "oh obvious mafia is trying to pass as town". But in most cases, I don't think I've seen mafia self vote right off the bat.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 21:39 GMT
#311
No, why start two wagons and then push/vote the one that seems most likely to get a wagon going? Like personally I understand the situation Sent is in, GB you've always thought my play style is anti town, but is it? I think when a townie panics like the one Sent is in, they tend to lean anti town.

I still prefer HF being scum here than Sent. Palmar and Trfel seem to agree with everything HF has to say which is odd from both of them.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 21:58 GMT
#314
On March 27 2020 06:46 GlowingBear wrote:
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On March 27 2020 06:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
No, why start two wagons and then push/vote the one that seems most likely to get a wagon going? Like personally I understand the situation Sent is in, GB you've always thought my play style is anti town, but is it? I think when a townie panics like the one Sent is in, they tend to lean anti town.

I still prefer HF being scum here than Sent. Palmar and Trfel seem to agree with everything HF has to say which is odd from both of them.


Following your logic, if HF is scum, one between Trfel and Palmar is necessarily town. So agreeing with HF like they're doing isn't a scum trait. Therefore, irrelevant per se.

Sentinel is a veteran in mafia. I don't think he would panic like this. ESPECIALLY day 1 with only one vote on him. It doesn't make sense.


Well I did make that statement before but I forgot to who. That either Palmar or HF are scum. Also yes, I'm home from here on out, but I'm still busy with work, trying to respond whenever I can
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 23:02 GMT
#335
Heh zoom is pretty old, it was really catered to businesses, but finally people are starting to realize that not a lot of things require you to be there 24/7...

Either way I’m in agreement with Chez it’s rough to really play a good game from day 1. That’s why I always found debating who’s mafia and who isn’t on the first day any useful. I think day 2 is where it gets interesting.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 26 2020 23:22 GMT
#337
On March 27 2020 07:38 Chezinu wrote:
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On March 27 2020 07:30 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 27 2020 07:25 Chezinu wrote:
On March 27 2020 07:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Well since you are here Chez thoughts on Palmar?

I will post the video after he dies.

I know the video you probably talking about but you got nothing on him atm?

Since when doe Chez play Day 1?

We have a lot of bright folks this game. Seriously, "glowing" bear, holy "flare", "lightning" strike...


But only one is red.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 27 2020 00:22 GMT
#370
On March 27 2020 09:00 Holyflare wrote:
You don't KNOW what mafia agenda is. This thread was dead, nobody was posting any case on anyone. Who were people voting before I started two "cases" (why do people call my one sentence on Sentinel a case????) on people that BOTH floundered and refuse to play the game instead of making any kind of actual retort to statements I've made.

There is only town agenda to start cases and make pushes in this game. Nothing was achieved beforehand and it's very much QUITE apparent that nothing happened in my absense either. People that get cased refuse to even play the game and are mafia or shouldn't have even bothered to sign up to this game. If one sentence against Sentinel was enough pressure to get him to fold and he's town then I have no hope for any kind of future here.

So, LS, why is pushing Kelsier with a case when there are 0 votes in the thread considered mafia agenda?


Not Kelsier, but I don't like early pushes because it doesn't help? It just causes people to argue... Like literally we still have a few hours to discuss this instead of trying to get some one voted on immediately. I find trying to vote some one out immediately with not much substance more of a mafia motive than town motive.

Posts like mine are why mafia forum is dead? Sad. I guess I just wont play anymore and let the forum really die.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 27 2020 00:32 GMT
#377
On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.

I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative.


I never said there was three mafia? I know there's only two this game, I read the first post nah mean? I'm just saying that there's a possibility from those three people there's mafia.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 27 2020 01:04 GMT
#397
On March 27 2020 09:34 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 27 2020 09:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.

I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative.


I never said there was three mafia? I know there's only two this game, I read the first post nah mean? I'm just saying that there's a possibility from those three people there's mafia.


Ok, why exactly do you think I am/was mafia to begin with? Please just explain it in 3 short bullet points or sentences.


1. You claim you made a case vs Sentinel, but it was barely a case, then instantly swap to KelsierSC for saying your case blows and him voting for you?

2. You're telling people how mafia should be played yet most of us here have played together already for quite some time.

3. I've played with you on the mafia team before, and that post screams end of game posting style from our game together.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 27 2020 01:38 GMT
#406
On March 27 2020 10:14 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2020 10:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 27 2020 09:34 Holyflare wrote:
On March 27 2020 09:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.

I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative.


I never said there was three mafia? I know there's only two this game, I read the first post nah mean? I'm just saying that there's a possibility from those three people there's mafia.


Ok, why exactly do you think I am/was mafia to begin with? Please just explain it in 3 short bullet points or sentences.


1. You claim you made a case vs Sentinel, but it was barely a case, then instantly swap to KelsierSC for saying your case blows and him voting for you?

2. You're telling people how mafia should be played yet most of us here have played together already for quite some time.

3. I've played with you on the mafia team before, and that post screams end of game posting style from our game together.


1. He voted for me after I made the case on him?? I also didn't only vote him for saying my case blows?? That's literally none of what I write about in my actual case on Kelsier??????

2. Yet people still don't understand it.

3. Fine.


Point 1 is based on memory, but I recall him saying your case on Sentinel blows, then you went off on Kelsier with your case, then voted for him.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 27 2020 01:39 GMT
#408
On March 27 2020 10:31 GlowingBear wrote:
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On March 27 2020 10:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 27 2020 10:07 GlowingBear wrote:
If the team is Kelsier and Trfel I'll be very disappointed

If that is the case then Mafia got like 0 presence atm and just letting us steam roll them?


At least Trfel is trying


I won a mafia game where LightningStrike, Vivax were literally afking the whole game, and town was literally just lynching either left and right.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 27 2020 01:40 GMT
#410
On March 27 2020 10:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2020 10:31 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 27 2020 10:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 27 2020 10:07 GlowingBear wrote:
If the team is Kelsier and Trfel I'll be very disappointed

If that is the case then Mafia got like 0 presence atm and just letting us steam roll them?


At least Trfel is trying


I won a mafia game where LightningStrike, Vivax were literally afking the whole game, and town was literally just lynching either left and right.


meant lynching each other* left and right
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 27 2020 01:45 GMT
#413
On March 27 2020 10:39 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2020 10:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 27 2020 10:31 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 27 2020 10:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 27 2020 10:07 GlowingBear wrote:
If the team is Kelsier and Trfel I'll be very disappointed

If that is the case then Mafia got like 0 presence atm and just letting us steam roll them?


At least Trfel is trying


I won a mafia game where LightningStrike, Vivax were literally afking the whole game, and town was literally just lynching either left and right.


I've lost count of how many games I've lost this way


That's the real problem with this forum, is that rather town helping each other out, they tend to argue the whole time and they stick headstrong... Like what's the point?
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 27 2020 01:47 GMT
#414
I don't even remember the game specifically anymore, but maybe it was a different game with vivax lol...
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
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March 27 2020 01:50 GMT
#415
The only way I can think Trfel is mafia is because he's sheeping HF to try and throw some shade over to HF. HF while yes tries to commit to some discussion, and is known strong player, I can see why Trfel would try and sheep him. In all honesty its still early, people start really coming out when there's like four hours left...
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 02:27 GMT
#426
On March 27 2020 11:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
My read on ShoCkeyy is that he's town but he's also wrong


What am I wrong about?
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 02:29 GMT
#427
On March 27 2020 11:14 GlowingBear wrote:
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On March 27 2020 11:01 Trfel wrote:
GlowingBear and everyone else, care to respond to the actual points I've raised instead of meaningless nonsense?

Getting kinda sick of this.

Yes, I'm confused because one of my main scumreads is voting for the other one. I'm not confident enough in my reads to vote, given the circumstance. If you have any actual help or comments on my reads to help sort this out, I would really appreciate it.

Otherwise, BUGGER OFF.


Alright, since apparently people aren't playing here anymore because we have to attack every point ever made in the forums, here is what I think about your points:

I never heard that Palmar has a great day 1. I don't believe this is a reliable meta.

I don't believe Palmar is just surviving. I believe he is being lazy on day1. And that's something I believe you also said?

Why do you believe Kelsier is Mafia? Solely Holyflare's case?



Palmar is definitely being lazy D1.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 03:47 GMT
#435
On March 27 2020 11:54 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 27 2020 10:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 27 2020 10:14 Holyflare wrote:
On March 27 2020 10:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 27 2020 09:34 Holyflare wrote:
On March 27 2020 09:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.

I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative.


I never said there was three mafia? I know there's only two this game, I read the first post nah mean? I'm just saying that there's a possibility from those three people there's mafia.


Ok, why exactly do you think I am/was mafia to begin with? Please just explain it in 3 short bullet points or sentences.


1. You claim you made a case vs Sentinel, but it was barely a case, then instantly swap to KelsierSC for saying your case blows and him voting for you?

2. You're telling people how mafia should be played yet most of us here have played together already for quite some time.

3. I've played with you on the mafia team before, and that post screams end of game posting style from our game together.


1. He voted for me after I made the case on him?? I also didn't only vote him for saying my case blows?? That's literally none of what I write about in my actual case on Kelsier??????

2. Yet people still don't understand it.

3. Fine.


Point 1 is based on memory, but I recall him saying your case on Sentinel blows, then you went off on Kelsier with your case, then voted for him.


But what part of my case relies on the premise that I am attacking Kelsier for saying my Sentinel case blows?


Ok here we gooooo.....

On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.


You literally claimed Kelsier would be confirmed mafia here, Kelsier last posts during this time were about him going to work, and about your other case against Sentinel blowing. You didn't really have reasoning here to think he was mafia just yet. His beginning posts which were much literally read as town to me.

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/557789-emergency-quarantine-mafia?page=11

On this page you decided to jump back to Sentinel

On March 26 2020 13:38 Holyflare wrote:
It is not about what I think. It's about what you think. You think it's strong or you do not, you jump on it or do not. That does not bother me. I put my thoughts in the thread for people to see and call out things that should be called out. You are effectively defending Sentinel playing atrociously and even going so far as self-voting when called out to do what? Vote me and say you don't like the way I'm playing right now?

There are three fundamental questions that you need to answer now, Rels:

Do you agree or disagree with the premise that Sentinel has played sub-optimally, flown under the radar and was just not funny?

When I applied pressure to Sentinel and voted him and he self-voted, did he perpetuate the case on him even further or react helpfully?

When Sentinel reacted poorly to pressure did I look worse or better?


We actually care what you think, if you're actually town, we should care about what you think. Then directly after this post, you make that huge "case" against Kelsier which literally had almost his only posts. You were flip floppy here between either or trying to get a wagon going. Kelsier seemed like an easier lynch at this point because two players also joined, so let's completely forget about your first push.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 04:59 GMT
#456
Meh I don’t think Kelsier can be mafia. I see Rels as town but I can’t see kelsier as mafia. I might be wrong but he just started the game, was trying to feel good about starting up a new mafia game, and instead people are shitting on him for a not so strong opening. For that I rather vote Palmar...
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 05:41 GMT
#459
On March 27 2020 14:03 Holyflare wrote:
You can't possibly see any situation where Kelsier is mafia??? What are his strong points in his filter?


Hmm instantly twisted my words but ok.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 06:03 GMT
#460
On March 27 2020 12:53 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 27 2020 12:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 27 2020 11:54 Holyflare wrote:
On March 27 2020 10:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 27 2020 10:14 Holyflare wrote:
On March 27 2020 10:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 27 2020 09:34 Holyflare wrote:
On March 27 2020 09:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.

I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative.


I never said there was three mafia? I know there's only two this game, I read the first post nah mean? I'm just saying that there's a possibility from those three people there's mafia.


Ok, why exactly do you think I am/was mafia to begin with? Please just explain it in 3 short bullet points or sentences.


1. You claim you made a case vs Sentinel, but it was barely a case, then instantly swap to KelsierSC for saying your case blows and him voting for you?

2. You're telling people how mafia should be played yet most of us here have played together already for quite some time.

3. I've played with you on the mafia team before, and that post screams end of game posting style from our game together.


1. He voted for me after I made the case on him?? I also didn't only vote him for saying my case blows?? That's literally none of what I write about in my actual case on Kelsier??????

2. Yet people still don't understand it.

3. Fine.


Point 1 is based on memory, but I recall him saying your case on Sentinel blows, then you went off on Kelsier with your case, then voted for him.


But what part of my case relies on the premise that I am attacking Kelsier for saying my Sentinel case blows?


Ok here we gooooo.....

On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.


You literally claimed Kelsier would be confirmed mafia here, Kelsier last posts during this time were about him going to work, and about your other case against Sentinel blowing. You didn't really have reasoning here to think he was mafia just yet. His beginning posts which were much literally read as town to me.

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/557789-emergency-quarantine-mafia?page=11

On this page you decided to jump back to Sentinel

On March 26 2020 13:38 Holyflare wrote:
It is not about what I think. It's about what you think. You think it's strong or you do not, you jump on it or do not. That does not bother me. I put my thoughts in the thread for people to see and call out things that should be called out. You are effectively defending Sentinel playing atrociously and even going so far as self-voting when called out to do what? Vote me and say you don't like the way I'm playing right now?

There are three fundamental questions that you need to answer now, Rels:

Do you agree or disagree with the premise that Sentinel has played sub-optimally, flown under the radar and was just not funny?

When I applied pressure to Sentinel and voted him and he self-voted, did he perpetuate the case on him even further or react helpfully?

When Sentinel reacted poorly to pressure did I look worse or better?


We actually care what you think, if you're actually town, we should care about what you think. Then directly after this post, you make that huge "case" against Kelsier which literally had almost his only posts. You were flip floppy here between either or trying to get a wagon going. Kelsier seemed like an easier lynch at this point because two players also joined, so let's completely forget about your first push.


I don't know what point you're trying to raise to be honest. Do you think that when I created the case on Kelsier those points magically jumped out to me while I was making it or do you think I already had a pre-determined set of points that I wanted to raise in the thread?

Trfel asked me about that first quote here:

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On March 26 2020 15:39 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.

However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.


It's not too difficult to understand. I still think the points on Sentinel are apt, he's done nothing but flounder in the thread. What does that make his alignment? Pretty undertermined at this point in truth, unfortunately.

Psychologically, and rather egotistically, players are more drawn to seeing their name typed in the thread and reacting to those posts. If you just acknowledge the basic tenets of a mafia player (as I outlined) and extrapolate that all townies should be looking out for that behaviour specifically (because really, that's how you find mafia in every game) then Sentinel should have acknowledged Kelsier's stances on himself.

If Sentinel is town, then he should see Kelsier say that the lynch on him is bad but then totally 180 on himself and meekly support it as the best lynch. That is a bad look for Kelsier, if Sentinel is town, because he is lynch bait and Kelsier is jumping on him.

Why specifically did I call out Sentinel for it? Mostly for the above, a bit for reaction fishing from other people and also a tad in hopes Kelsier would react (although I think he might of gone to sleep at this point).

On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.

For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read


Sentinel doesn't really understand why I said it so that leaves me with either:

Sentinel is not critically thinking about the game in any way, shape or form as a townie.

OR

Sentinel is mafia and doesn't subconsciously put together the things that naturally come to a townie.

I'm hesitant to say it's the latter but we'll see. Kelsier is a great vote at least.


I had already determined that Kelsier was mafia and wanted to test the waters with Sentinel some more to see if they were either mafia together or if there was a chance Sentinel could be town. It was entirely inconclusive but that's neither here nor there.

I also didn't "jump back to Sentinel", I was questioning (and answering at some point) Rels' questions. You can see how I'm trying to reach a conclusion on RELS (not Sentinel) because I am asking Rels questions in relation to the events. So, no, I didn't become undecided between the two, since none of these questions relate to MY read on Sentinel in the slightest, rather Rels' read progression on me and Sentinel.


The point I was trying to make is that you instantly came with a list of his posts, gave your opinion why you think he’s mafia only after being pressured to give reasons, but it’s literally KC first few posts. Essentially what you’re criticizing him for is what you’re doing to him. Giving opinions. But hey you determined he was mafia at some point with only about 10 posts.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 16:15 GMT
#539
I responded to you HF, thoughts on my responses? Or you going to ignore it?
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 16:39 GMT
#550
So would you move your vote to Trfel, hF?
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 16:43 GMT
#555
Alright going to AFK for the next 20 mins or so. HF hope everything is ok on your end outside of the game.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 17:38 GMT
#591
I'm going to vote Palmar just cause he's barely done anything while just constantly trying to push me for whatever reasons. While my HF scum radar is alive and well, HF at least has been active, and every game I play we tend to always vote out the most active player who flips town, such as GB.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 17:42 GMT
#593
On March 28 2020 02:40 Chezinu wrote:
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On March 28 2020 02:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I'm going to vote Palmar just cause he's barely done anything while just constantly trying to push me for whatever reasons. While my HF scum radar is alive and well, HF at least has been active, and every game I play we tend to always vote out the most active player who flips town, such as GB.

I'm am shocked by your response. You assume that GB is town because activity?


Nah I assume GB is town because him and I have always gone at each others throat in every game we play together and we always flip town. I'm just not even going to try this first D1.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 17:47 GMT
#602
On March 28 2020 02:44 Chezinu wrote:
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On March 28 2020 02:42 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:40 Chezinu wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I'm going to vote Palmar just cause he's barely done anything while just constantly trying to push me for whatever reasons. While my HF scum radar is alive and well, HF at least has been active, and every game I play we tend to always vote out the most active player who flips town, such as GB.

I'm am shocked by your response. You assume that GB is town because activity?


Nah I assume GB is town because him and I have always gone at each others throat in every game we play together and we always flip town. I'm just not even going to try this first D1.

AND YOU ARE GOING TO LET GO THIS ONE TIME THAT HE IS ACTUALLY MAFIA!!!!?!??!

Do you think it is possible to have rolechecks on him though it is day 1?

Are you trying to save yourself cause you afraid he is mafia?


I know it's not possible on D1. D1 is all about trying to vote out the most scummiest. GB hasn't been to scummiest to me. It's always been between Palmar or Hf. If you were reading the thread, you'd know that
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 17:49 GMT
#606
On March 28 2020 02:46 Chezinu wrote:
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF TOWN DECIDED TO FOLLOW THE CHEZ FOR ONCE DAY 1??

If I was mafia, I would get behind the Chez and make history. Be in the first game that Chez led the lynch Day 1.


You haven't been around enough to just magically switch everyones in the last 10 mins to vote for GB. I doubt it's going to happen.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 17:52 GMT
#614
On March 28 2020 02:51 Chezinu wrote:
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On March 28 2020 02:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:46 Chezinu wrote:
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF TOWN DECIDED TO FOLLOW THE CHEZ FOR ONCE DAY 1??

If I was mafia, I would get behind the Chez and make history. Be in the first game that Chez led the lynch Day 1.


You haven't been around enough to just magically switch everyones in the last 10 mins to vote for GB. I doubt it's going to happen.

I have been here since the second game of mafia on these forums.

TL Commandments say, respect my authoritay!


I didn't mean that, I know you have, we played a few of the earlier mafia games together. I meant for this game.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 17:56 GMT
#627
Like I said, I placed my vote on Palmar because he's just being lackluster this game where as others are at least trying.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 17:59 GMT
#639
Oh boy if KSC is town this game is going to get really interesting. I'll also feel bad cause I tried to save him.

If he's mafia, then well, I think it'll just prove HF is town, while Palmar definitely becomes scummier...
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 18:05 GMT
#648
Town never learns.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 18:05 GMT
#650
Welp HF you and your shitty case did it.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 18:07 GMT
#652
On March 28 2020 03:05 GlowingBear wrote:
I told you he is town what a bad switch


Then why switch? Why not stick to Trfel?? I don't get it. Do you want me to start going after you? Cause I can...
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 18:08 GMT
#654
On March 28 2020 03:07 Trfel wrote:
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On March 28 2020 02:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Oh boy if KSC is town this game is going to get really interesting. I'll also feel bad cause I tried to save him.

If he's mafia, then well, I think it'll just prove HF is town, while Palmar definitely becomes scummier...
Why is Palmar's alignment related to KelsierSC's in this way? If KelsierSC was mafia, Palmar voted for him very early, and then switched to an off wagon...

I just don't understand this.

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On March 28 2020 03:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
:pop:
And this, I hate whenever people show up right AFTER the deadline instead of helping before.

And @Holyflare, what vindicating qualities does Palmar have now?

Gonna take some time to rethink, I'll probably be around sporadically for the rest of the day.


Because it's the easiest play a scum player can make.... Vote for the first case to seem active, then vote for who you can try and frame as the scummiest player. It's literal mafia logic.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 18:09 GMT
#657
On March 28 2020 03:08 Chezinu wrote:
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On March 28 2020 02:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I'll also feel bad cause I tried to save him. .

shocking

Now you fights the teddy. LOLOLOLOL yall so funny!


At least my vote wasn't on the townie.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 18:12 GMT
#664
On March 28 2020 03:10 Trfel wrote:
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On March 28 2020 03:08 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 28 2020 03:07 Trfel wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Oh boy if KSC is town this game is going to get really interesting. I'll also feel bad cause I tried to save him.

If he's mafia, then well, I think it'll just prove HF is town, while Palmar definitely becomes scummier...
Why is Palmar's alignment related to KelsierSC's in this way? If KelsierSC was mafia, Palmar voted for him very early, and then switched to an off wagon...

I just don't understand this.

On March 28 2020 03:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
:pop:
And this, I hate whenever people show up right AFTER the deadline instead of helping before.

And @Holyflare, what vindicating qualities does Palmar have now?

Gonna take some time to rethink, I'll probably be around sporadically for the rest of the day.


Because it's the easiest play a scum player can make.... Vote for the first case to seem active, then vote for who you can try and frame as the scummiest player. It's literal mafia logic.
If I'm understanding you correctly, wouldn't this then also apply if KelsierSC was town (like he is)? Why does KelsierSC have to be mafia for this suspicion of Palmar to be true?


I never claimed KSC was mafia? I never thought he was.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 18:12 GMT
#665
On March 28 2020 03:11 LightningStrike wrote:
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On March 28 2020 03:05 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Welp HF you and your shitty case did it.

more like I thought Trfel was going to flip town and decided to save him...


And then voted for the next towniest player? Ehhhhh....
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 18:18 GMT
#669
On March 28 2020 03:13 LightningStrike wrote:
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On March 28 2020 03:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 28 2020 03:11 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 28 2020 03:05 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Welp HF you and your shitty case did it.

more like I thought Trfel was going to flip town and decided to save him...


And then voted for the next towniest player? Ehhhhh....

We would of needed to get to 4 votes onto another player that wasn't KSC or Trfel at deadline to not lynch any of them.


Since I was in that position of being able to vote either or, I think HF was the next best target, not Trfel, we had enough players here to switch to HF.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 18:23 GMT
#672
GB was here and he definitely wanted to vote HF. Trfel could of also possibly voted HF. That would of been HF lynched instead.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 18:24 GMT
#673
On March 28 2020 03:22 KelsierSC wrote:
My head was never right for this game. Apologies to town for my bad play and making this harder than it needed to be.

Hope you all stay safe and good luck with the game. Let's play again soon.


It's ok buddy, take care of yourself!
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 18:33 GMT
#676
On March 28 2020 03:25 Trfel wrote:
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On March 28 2020 03:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 28 2020 03:07 Trfel wrote:
On March 28 2020 03:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
:pop:
And this, I hate whenever people show up right AFTER the deadline instead of helping before.

I got what I wanted, my target got lynched, he just flipped the wrong color.

You next?

+ Show Spoiler +
Still at work, I'll re-evaluate all my reads in a few hours and try to get reads on all the other players by end of niht.
Well, I look forward to your updated reads with eager anticipation...
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On March 28 2020 03:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 28 2020 03:10 Trfel wrote:
On March 28 2020 03:08 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 28 2020 03:07 Trfel wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Oh boy if KSC is town this game is going to get really interesting. I'll also feel bad cause I tried to save him.

If he's mafia, then well, I think it'll just prove HF is town, while Palmar definitely becomes scummier...
Why is Palmar's alignment related to KelsierSC's in this way? If KelsierSC was mafia, Palmar voted for him very early, and then switched to an off wagon...

I just don't understand this.

On March 28 2020 03:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
:pop:
And this, I hate whenever people show up right AFTER the deadline instead of helping before.

And @Holyflare, what vindicating qualities does Palmar have now?

Gonna take some time to rethink, I'll probably be around sporadically for the rest of the day.


Because it's the easiest play a scum player can make.... Vote for the first case to seem active, then vote for who you can try and frame as the scummiest player. It's literal mafia logic.
If I'm understanding you correctly, wouldn't this then also apply if KelsierSC was town (like he is)? Why does KelsierSC have to be mafia for this suspicion of Palmar to be true?


I never claimed KSC was mafia? I never thought he was.
Okay, sorry, let me try and explain this again.
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On March 28 2020 02:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Oh boy if KSC is town this game is going to get really interesting. I'll also feel bad cause I tried to save him.

If he's mafia, then well, I think it'll just prove HF is town, while Palmar definitely becomes scummier...
This post has the following logic:

IF KelsierSC is TOWN -> no conclusion
IF KelsierSC is MAFIA -> Holyflare is town, Palmar is scummier

Correct?

And your reasoning for Palmar being scummier is:
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On March 28 2020 03:08 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 28 2020 03:07 Trfel wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Oh boy if KSC is town this game is going to get really interesting. I'll also feel bad cause I tried to save him.

If he's mafia, then well, I think it'll just prove HF is town, while Palmar definitely becomes scummier...
Why is Palmar's alignment related to KelsierSC's in this way? If KelsierSC was mafia, Palmar voted for him very early, and then switched to an off wagon...

I just don't understand this.

On March 28 2020 03:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
:pop:
And this, I hate whenever people show up right AFTER the deadline instead of helping before.

And @Holyflare, what vindicating qualities does Palmar have now?

Gonna take some time to rethink, I'll probably be around sporadically for the rest of the day.


Because it's the easiest play a scum player can make.... Vote for the first case to seem active, then vote for who you can try and frame as the scummiest player. It's literal mafia logic.
Which I can buy. However the logic here doesn't depend on anyone else's alignment at all.

Does anyone else see this? Unless I'm missing something or there is some explanation, ShoCkeyy shows a complete failure in logic here. Also note that he only has Palmar being scummier on the (If KelsierSC is Mafia) option, which isn't even what he thought! I don't understand how town could actually think this way.

Going for a walk now but I'll definitely take a closer look at ShoCkeyy.


You seem to not have read any of my earlier posts about Palmar anyways.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 19:51 GMT
#680
On March 28 2020 04:24 Vivax wrote:
Good doggo and crazy doggo make for a likely mafia combination at this point.
Crazy doggo just stirred unrest when good doggo was in danger, exposing himself with a nonsensical vote.

Time to afk for one and a half cycles until townies switch to a crappy lynch for no reason again.

Keep it simple and we win.
Chez had the right idea but wasted his vote. W/e. Palmar and Shockey also doing the equivalent of not playing.


How am I not playing, what are you smoking?
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ShoCkeyy
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March 27 2020 20:06 GMT
#682
Yea that seems obvious now, and I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, but that last post by him has changed my thoughts on him.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 27 2020 22:05 GMT
#688
On March 28 2020 06:55 Vivax wrote:
Ok GB.
Sorry for calling you dumb or mafia for that play and saying you are shitting up the thread.

But you derailed a lynch onto a townie.
While voting with your scumread that you spent a ton of posts on in what looks like an ego-war you deliberately wanted to start.
Which makes perfect sense for mafia before the nr.1 way to get HF to start spamming the thread is to trigger him in some way. When he's mafia he does that on his own. The game is much less confusing when he can just do his thing in peace for a while.

And what I meant with Palmar+Shockey not playing referred to them wasting their votes.


How did I waste my vote? I don't think I did.

I think by voting a town to get lynch is a waste of a vote and vote cycle.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 27 2020 22:05 GMT
#689
On March 28 2020 05:53 GlowingBear wrote:
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On March 28 2020 05:33 Holyflare wrote:
Wow that Kelsier lynch was bad as fuck. GB should feel ashamed or is mafia.


Sure.

I'm not playing the game anymore, have a good time you all.


Don't even listen to HF, we already know what HE tried to do. He literally spent the whole day trying to convince everyone why we should vote for KSC even though there was barely any substance, just a lot of words.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 27 2020 22:56 GMT
#693
On March 28 2020 07:07 Holyflare wrote:
I'm about 75% sure Shockeyy is mafia.


Why 75? What's the other 25%?

It's like you stated here in the bolded part at the last part of the paragraph.

On March 27 2020 08:46 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.

For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read

On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote:
and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV


I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.

Mafia have three main objectives:
  • Blend
  • Sew discontent
  • Survive


The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems:

1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad.
2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them.
3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.


Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.

On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
[quote]

Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?


GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.


Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.

Bad reads.

Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.


The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.

We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?


I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.

On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )

going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted.
LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.

no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache.
the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.


There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.

Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.

Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".

Kelsier's current mindset if town: ??????
Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.




These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.

Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.

On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Setup Information


The exact roles in this game are as follows:

Antivaxxer
Coughing Boomer

American Doctor
8x Healthy Boomer


fixed


This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.

Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.


you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?

lul x2


Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.

On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!

I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?


last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.


Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.

On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!

I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?

I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?


Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?


GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.


Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.

Bad reads.


Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.

On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!

I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?

I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?


Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?


GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.


Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.

Bad reads.

Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.


The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.


Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.




To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.


Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.

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On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.

I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.

Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.

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On March 26 2020 19:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 19:33 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.

I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.

Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.


So you're establishing that you attack me personally and blame the death of the forum on me/my playstyle because I play the game of mafia?


You arent playing mafia you are a bully hiding behind your screen.
Got no time for you

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On March 26 2020 22:56 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up and saw HF also casing KSC although it not the worst case in the world but I aint biting it and KSC's reaction though seems very over the top? Dunno how to feel about that. Palmar's entrance is meh. I hope someone can actually help me read HF this game....

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On March 27 2020 03:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:

And this is basically what's interesting right now.

Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.

##Vote: Holyflare


I also found this interesting as well. I don't get the push on either or, which is why I didn't even buy into it, yet Palmar followed along anyways.

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On March 27 2020 03:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:56 GlowingBear wrote:
LS, I was pushing Rels just to get some traction in the thread.

HF, is Vivax town?

And what you got out of that push onto Rels?


Nothing, I was just getting traction.

On March 26 2020 10:17 Chezinu wrote:
On March 26 2020 09:49 GlowingBear wrote:
zZz


Hello! Wakey wakey little teddy bear! oh how memorizing you are! Please speak to me!


Chez I'll speak! Are you mafia?

On March 26 2020 11:31 Trfel wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:58 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!

I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?

why?
Vivax typically has trouble Day 1 as mafia, here he seems present and quite comfortable.


This is in the past, Trfel. Last game I've played with him he was very capable as mafia.

On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.

For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read

On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote:
and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV


I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.

Mafia have three main objectives:
  • Blend
  • Sew discontent
  • Survive


The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems:

1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad.
2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them.
3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.


Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.

On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
[quote]
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.


Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.

Bad reads.

Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.


The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.

We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?


I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.

On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )

going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted.
LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.

no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache.
the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.


There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.

Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.

Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".

Kelsier's current mindset if town: ??????
Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.




These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.

Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.

On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Setup Information


The exact roles in this game are as follows:

Antivaxxer
Coughing Boomer

American Doctor
8x Healthy Boomer


fixed


This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.

Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.


you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?

lul x2


Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.

On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!

I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?


last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.


Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.

On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!

I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?

I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?


Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?


GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.


Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.

Bad reads.


Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.

On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
[quote]
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?


Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?


GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.


Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.

Bad reads.

Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.


The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.


Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.




To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.


Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.

On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.

However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.


Worst post on thread yet. Are these points alignment indicative? What do you believe these guys are? Town? Mafia?

On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote:
also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.

Just lynch those 4 and the game is over.


Care to explain? At least explain why you're leaving Chez out.

---

And this is basically what's interesting right now.

Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.

##Vote: Holyflare

So I wasn't the only one who actually thought this as well even I didn't say it in the thread but I been thinking that for sure. I will vote HF with you.
##Vote: Holyflare


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On March 26 2020 12:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:04 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 11:10 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:23 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:04 Holyflare wrote:
Time to vote Sentinel. Struggles with thread entrance, copies my nonchalant-ness to LS. Reads fake, easy mafia.

##vote Sentinel

"I'm voting for you because you did what I did"

That's not how you start a wagon silly


You did exactly what I did directly after me. It wasn't original or funny, it was just a mimic of someone who is town in an attempt to blend in. Everything you have done is neither constructive nor helpful. Even this quoted post doesn't construct a read, nor does it evaluate anything else in the thread or about my alignment or anyone elses.

You are mafia, simple as that.

is this what you really feel about sent, or is it strongly worded to make the game move?


Who am I voting for?

It's probably the latter, Rels

##vote [UoN]Sentinel


These posts, afking and work commitments are why this forum is dead and others thrive.

You post a long case and people agree with it (which is fine because they actually elaborated on reasons why) but other people disagree with it and say absolutely nothing relevant to any of the points within it. There is no debate about what points are constructed or what points make someone mafia, there is no push for me because someone thinks this is a narrative (instead, there is a push for me because people can't read the voting thread). This forum is plagued by people talking AT each other saying meagre sentences like "I think he is town" or "I think he is mafia" and no actual discourse about any points anyone raises.


You're not practicing what you're preaching...
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 28 2020 03:32 GMT
#698
On March 28 2020 11:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Seriously noone commented on that stuff since I posted it 2 hours ago? Jesus dead thread


I'm around, and can post in between fortnite games with the wife.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
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March 28 2020 03:42 GMT
#700
Of course, town died day 1. Makes the game so much harder for us, and easier for them.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 28 2020 04:21 GMT
#702
On March 28 2020 12:47 LightningStrike wrote:
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On March 28 2020 12:42 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Of course, town died day 1. Makes the game so much harder for us, and easier for them.

Do you think Trfel is town based on his play and EoD stuff?


He mostly questioned me which I answered hopefully all the questions. He did seem interested in the way I was thinking and why I was thinking.

I don't however think it makes him town just yet. He was still in the same boat with one of the other people I think are mafia. It makes it rough to see his alignments just yet because he did make a play on Palmar who's my next guest as mafia. And if Trfel is mafia, he would try and play the Palmar card to try and get another target lynched. I'm still holding back on whether to call him town or mafia yet.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 28 2020 05:13 GMT
#704
On March 28 2020 13:36 LightningStrike wrote:
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On March 28 2020 13:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 28 2020 12:47 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 28 2020 12:42 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Of course, town died day 1. Makes the game so much harder for us, and easier for them.

Do you think Trfel is town based on his play and EoD stuff?


He mostly questioned me which I answered hopefully all the questions. He did seem interested in the way I was thinking and why I was thinking.

I don't however think it makes him town just yet. He was still in the same boat with one of the other people I think are mafia. It makes it rough to see his alignments just yet because he did make a play on Palmar who's my next guest as mafia. And if Trfel is mafia, he would try and play the Palmar card to try and get another target lynched. I'm still holding back on whether to call him town or mafia yet.

Noted.


What are your thoughts on Vivax recent posts? and HF recent post about how GB caused the death of KSC?
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
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March 28 2020 19:49 GMT
#741
On March 29 2020 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
It's almost unbelievable the amount of crap that flows through Shockeyy and GB's posts.


This post is crap ;(
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 28 2020 20:36 GMT
#750
On March 29 2020 05:08 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 29 2020 04:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 29 2020 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
It's almost unbelievable the amount of crap that flows through Shockeyy and GB's posts.


This post is crap ;(


No, it's really not. At each point you come up with a new narrative revolving around my case on Kelsier and how I was forced into making points on him when that quite clearly doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to anyone who thinks through that logic.

Then you evolve the narrative to be about how I pushed Kelsier all game based on a shitty case but even the guy I cased himself literally said it was a good case. Furthermore, there was expanding evidence not related to my case at all on Kelsier that I kept researching to get a better read on him since, you know, he just afkd 90% of tbe cycle.

Then and only then do you blame the Kelsier lynch on my shitty case and me WHEN I SAID TRFEL WAS A BETTER LYNCH and there's 4 other non me players on Kelsier that pushed him for infinitely worse reasons.

GB killed him because he couldn't get enough votes on me? What a load of shit.

You prepare narratives and don't care about the follow up and then compound more and more platitudes thinking it makes sense to your scenario.


If Trfel was a better lunch why didn’t you move your vote?
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 28 2020 20:36 GMT
#752
On March 29 2020 05:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
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On March 29 2020 05:08 Holyflare wrote:
On March 29 2020 04:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 29 2020 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
It's almost unbelievable the amount of crap that flows through Shockeyy and GB's posts.


This post is crap ;(


No, it's really not. At each point you come up with a new narrative revolving around my case on Kelsier and how I was forced into making points on him when that quite clearly doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to anyone who thinks through that logic.

Then you evolve the narrative to be about how I pushed Kelsier all game based on a shitty case but even the guy I cased himself literally said it was a good case. Furthermore, there was expanding evidence not related to my case at all on Kelsier that I kept researching to get a better read on him since, you know, he just afkd 90% of tbe cycle.

Then and only then do you blame the Kelsier lynch on my shitty case and me WHEN I SAID TRFEL WAS A BETTER LYNCH and there's 4 other non me players on Kelsier that pushed him for infinitely worse reasons.

GB killed him because he couldn't get enough votes on me? What a load of shit.

You prepare narratives and don't care about the follow up and then compound more and more platitudes thinking it makes sense to your scenario.


If Trfel was a better lunch why didn’t you move your vote?


Lynch* damn autocorrect
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ShoCkeyy
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March 28 2020 20:37 GMT
#754
I never said Trfel was a great lunch?
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March 28 2020 20:51 GMT
#756
On March 29 2020 05:36 Holyflare wrote:
My narrative is literally a quote from your filter. It's your own narrative that caught you.


This lol
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March 28 2020 20:59 GMT
#757
I mean if I were mafia, getting a case out first and having others follow it is a great way to start. GB is only one person, there were others involved voting KSC out.
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March 28 2020 21:39 GMT
#780
On March 29 2020 06:02 Holyflare wrote:
If I had to summarise your play this game ShoCkeyy it's wilfully ignorant. I don't normally get that feeling at all from you. What's changed?


Idk? I think I'm putting more time into the game than previous games since I'm stuck at home most of the time
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March 28 2020 21:39 GMT
#781
Rayn and HF seem awfully familiar in play style when they get aggravated.
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March 28 2020 21:43 GMT
#783
I think typically everyone shits up the thread, it's just part of the game.
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March 28 2020 21:43 GMT
#784
And I prefer to have others to talk to than just talk to 1 person.
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March 28 2020 22:07 GMT
#786
I definitely thought the game would have been more active with everything going on. But it doesn't seem so.
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March 28 2020 23:57 GMT
#794
No mafia here
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March 29 2020 20:02 GMT
#832
If anything it’s most likely Palmar and Trfel. Dude has had a hardon for me since the beginning of the game, before I even really posted. Also LS the game started during the week. He had to have some time to play instead of his little one liners and insta calling me mafia.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 29 2020 20:08 GMT
#835
On March 30 2020 05:07 GlowingBear wrote:
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On March 30 2020 04:18 Palmar wrote:
On March 30 2020 00:54 Rels wrote:
On March 29 2020 05:15 Palmar wrote:
On March 29 2020 03:03 LightningStrike wrote:
That was such a bad kill regardless who is mafia because he was very lynchable. Will check his filter.

He was never gonna be lynched.

Looked very town and made good reads.

no. Not at all

Vivax was the towniest townie that ever towned in this game.

Not my fault you couldn't see it.


He totally wasn't but okay.

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On March 30 2020 04:26 Palmar wrote:
It's so fucking tiring that people double guess everything and never just play this game in a simple way.

Mafia people play like mafia

Town people play like town

HF got into a huge dick measuring contest with GB, ergo they're both town.

Vivax made good reads and was just all around chill and cool guy, ergo he's town.

KSC came around and actually tried, ergo town.

LS is town because I said so

Rels is probably dumb enough to be town

Trfel could be mafia because he's completely uninteresting.

Sentinel is almost certainly mafia, his filter is shit

Shockeyy is probably the other one, he sounds like mafia.

Nobody is going to try to read Chez, but I'm kinda fine with him not dying at the moment.

Just kill the people that look and sound like mafia.

Stop fucking overthinking everything.


I like this post. Simple, objective, taking hard stances. I believe this is coming from town.


I sound like mafia to you?
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March 29 2020 20:40 GMT
#839
On March 30 2020 05:08 GlowingBear wrote:
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On March 30 2020 05:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
If anything it’s most likely Palmar and Trfel. Dude has had a hardon for me since the beginning of the game, before I even really posted. Also LS the game started during the week. He had to have some time to play instead of his little one liners and insta calling me mafia.


What about Sentinel?


Being AFK most of the game doesn’t help.
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ShoCkeyy
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March 30 2020 15:12 GMT
#893
I don’t mind policy lynching Sent over Palmar for being AFK.
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March 30 2020 17:17 GMT
#908
Trfel I still have to respond to you, yesterday spent the whole day cleaning my apartment, so when I get a chance today I'll respond.
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March 30 2020 17:18 GMT
#909
Currently in meetings for work, so I'll have some time in a couple hours.
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March 30 2020 18:01 GMT
#925
WELL WELL WELL.
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March 30 2020 18:01 GMT
#926
That's three wells.
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March 30 2020 18:26 GMT
#940
On March 30 2020 15:44 Trfel wrote:
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On March 30 2020 11:48 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 30 2020 11:33 Trfel wrote:
Rels, care to respond to my post earlier this page to you?

GlowingBear, that's not why I am suspicious of Palmar. In short, Palmar doesn't care what happens, who gets lynched, or who is mafia, and I believe that makes him likely mafia. I'll see if I can explain it better later tonight when I am on a computer.


I'm not sure he doesn't care, he is voting his scum read accordingly. If we lynch everyone who apparently isn't caring in this game, we would have to lynch half of the player list
I think I get what you're saying, but the key difference is his scum read isn't getting lynched.

And looking at Palmar's filter again I noticed something more.

Look at his posts on ShoCkeyy being mafia:
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On March 26 2020 22:58 Palmar wrote:
I have upgraded shockeyy to definitely mafia.
On March 27 2020 22:07 Palmar wrote:
I think we should lynch shockeyy over sentinel KSC?

How do you feel about this?
On March 27 2020 22:56 Palmar wrote:
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On March 27 2020 22:39 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 27 2020 22:07 Palmar wrote:
I think we should lynch shockeyy over sentinel KSC?

How do you feel about this?


I liked what I read from shockeyy , so not for it.

Why would you want to?


He got mad when I called him mafia and felt it was random, yet until that point in the game he had done nothing except vote for Blazinhand? Feels oversensitive.

His first two posts in the game were both excuses even when bunch of people weren't even in the thread. He was telling us how he was totally not just afk, just doing something else.

He made some weird association between me and holyflare.

He has done very, very minimal amount of work for town.

On March 28 2020 02:16 Palmar wrote:
It's a bad idea to lynch HF at the moment.

He is never going to be a lurky shit scum. He's going to be loud and controversial through the game. If by day 2-3 he hasn't done anything useful or been right on anything we just kill him.

We need to take out the background trash on day 1, that is how you play day 1.

Shockeyy has done literally nothing except making some excuses and throwing some random shit around. Hell even the fact that he's a late voter is a tiny mafia tell.

Murder him.
On March 29 2020 20:54 Palmar wrote:
I’ll kill shockeyy as well


versus his posts on [UoN]Sentinel being mafia.
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On March 29 2020 20:51 Palmar wrote:
Seems like a good day to kill sentinel

(note: excluding list posts and scum pools where both were listed equally)

I recommend looking at Palmar's filter yourself to see it in chronological order.

But basically, there's a big jump in focus from ShoCkeyy to [UoN]Sentinel with no reason. What changed to make him less suspicious of ShoCkeyy? Seemingly nothing. What changed to make him more suspicious of [UoN]Sentinel? All Palmar says is that his filter is terrible, and since he hasn't posted that hasn't really changed at all between Day 1 and Day 2.

Palmar seems like a better and better lynch the more I look at it.


Palmar suggesting a kill on Sent early in the thread has me rethinking his possible alignment that's for sure. It could be a show to just slide by, but I don't think a mafia would ever bus their team mate that early.
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March 30 2020 19:38 GMT
#944
On March 31 2020 03:46 LightningStrike wrote:
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On March 31 2020 03:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Game is solved

I'm so sorry for Holyflare.

I'll re-read the thread later.

How is the game is solved?


Maybe doesn't want to say anything until night kill is confirmed?
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March 30 2020 20:11 GMT
#946
On March 31 2020 05:07 Palmar wrote:
Mafia played like mafia?

I’m shocked!


Am I still mafia to you?
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March 30 2020 20:21 GMT
#948
Uhhhh that's not helpful, but better than 100% you claimed on D1.
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March 30 2020 20:45 GMT
#951
Oh god, another day to wait for night actions.... with rolecop out, the game seems so close to ending, but yet so far if we mislynch tomorrow.
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March 30 2020 21:00 GMT
#953
On March 31 2020 05:48 GlowingBear wrote:
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On March 31 2020 05:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Oh god, another day to wait for night actions.... with rolecop out, the game seems so close to ending, but yet so far if we mislynch tomorrow.




What would you say if I said you're the last Mafia?


I'd deny it since I'm a town, so there's no way I'm the last mafia.
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March 30 2020 21:08 GMT
#955
On March 31 2020 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:
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On March 31 2020 06:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 31 2020 05:48 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 31 2020 05:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Oh god, another day to wait for night actions.... with rolecop out, the game seems so close to ending, but yet so far if we mislynch tomorrow.




What would you say if I said you're the last Mafia?


I'd deny it since I'm a town, so there's no way I'm the last mafia.


Ironclad defense


There's no other possible defense I can give that will make you believe I'm town if you already think I'm mafia unless I die tonight and flip town.
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March 30 2020 22:27 GMT
#957
On March 31 2020 07:00 GlowingBear wrote:
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On March 31 2020 06:08 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 31 2020 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 31 2020 06:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 31 2020 05:48 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 31 2020 05:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Oh god, another day to wait for night actions.... with rolecop out, the game seems so close to ending, but yet so far if we mislynch tomorrow.




What would you say if I said you're the last Mafia?


I'd deny it since I'm a town, so there's no way I'm the last mafia.


Ironclad defense


There's no other possible defense I can give that will make you believe I'm town if you already think I'm mafia unless I die tonight and flip town.


I was being sincere.

Anyway, we all know that I'm dying today. I may not be brilliant finding mafia, but I'm surely top town


If you do die, then how will you solve the game?
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ShoCkeyy
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March 31 2020 03:24 GMT
#962
Social distance doesn't mean mafia too
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March 31 2020 04:50 GMT
#965
Chez has many thoughts, his main one definitely thinks the glowingbear is mafia.
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March 31 2020 16:41 GMT
#974
One more hour boys.
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March 31 2020 17:51 GMT
#990
Well we'll now know with this NK heh
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April 02 2020 18:13 GMT
#1280
My harassing of townies helped I guess funny enough, my first check was Palmar, then I checked Trfel only to find out he fucking shot me LOL
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April 02 2020 18:13 GMT
#1281
Good job town! Another win in the bag
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April 02 2020 18:22 GMT
#1288
On April 03 2020 03:13 ShoCkeyy wrote:
My harassing of townies helped I guess funny enough, my first check was Palmar, then I checked Trfel only to find out he fucking shot me LOL

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April 02 2020 18:23 GMT
#1290
Also my desire to play this game was actually because I'm indoors for much longer periods of time D:
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April 02 2020 20:25 GMT
#1310
Palmar you instantly thought I was mafia, why? :D
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April 02 2020 21:01 GMT
#1325
I seriously thought Palmar was mafia at first for just insta claiming I was mafia. I wanted to shoot him even more... Good thing I wasn't vig :D
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April 02 2020 21:20 GMT
#1331
Yea I was hoping for this to be a more active game.
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April 02 2020 21:30 GMT
#1334
I hope HolyFlare is doing well, and happy town won.
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#1346
On April 03 2020 09:08 GlowingBear wrote:
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On April 03 2020 08:46 Vivax wrote:
Was a hard game for mafia thanks to pleasant early interactions between townies and small game size. LS + Rels felt like an easy read. Sentinel's entry quoting the day post was really telling for his 'cba to read other players' attitude and Trfel put in a nice effort but overall looked too much like he was rather trying to be appreciated. Kudos for the effort though, I guess you could try to look more stubborn and selfish, although I'm not a good idea for a scum coach

I don't know what GB was smoking when he went after HF. Maybe there's a history. But it's ok now.


I only thought he was Mafia. There's no history. I don't understand why I've got into his nerves. I was just playing and I don't remember being rude. Anyway, I hope he is okay.


I think it was multiple people that were getting on his nerves sadly. Including me
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April 07 2020 18:16 GMT
#1352
On April 08 2020 03:01 Alakaslam wrote:
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On March 23 2020 08:24 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 23 2020 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 23 2020 07:12 GlowingBear wrote:
Wait

Are rayn and cop... In a relationship? Like, in a romantic one? With kisses and stuff?

maybe


:O

What's with TL Mafia that everyone finds their other half in here?

Like

Look at Artemis and Rsoultin

Congrats! I know you're still not married but anyway. A relationship is always something to congratulate. I think.

No I got married outside of this place

I fear the day she discovers all my swearing and shistuff.


My wife loves playing werewolf with our friends drunk, but she thinks I'm nerdy as fuck for playing online with all of you lmao...
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