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This guy fills the game up with Americans and Europeans and makes the deadline 6/7am for the Europeans and like 1am for America? What?
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On March 25 2020 12:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
i can change it it's 11am for me
6pm good now
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Despite many years passing you still know how to have a boring af conversation.
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Why do you want me to post more?
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Time to vote Sentinel. Struggles with thread entrance, copies my nonchalant-ness to LS. Reads fake, easy mafia.
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On March 26 2020 08:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 07:04 Holyflare wrote:
Time to vote Sentinel. Struggles with thread entrance, copies my nonchalant-ness to LS. Reads fake, easy mafia.
##vote Sentinel "I'm voting for you because you did what I did" That's not how you start a wagon silly
You did exactly what I did directly after me. It wasn't original or funny, it was just a mimic of someone who is town in an attempt to blend in. Everything you have done is neither constructive nor helpful. Even this quoted post doesn't construct a read, nor does it evaluate anything else in the thread or about my alignment or anyone elses.
You are mafia, simple as that.
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On March 26 2020 11:10 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 10:23 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 08:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 07:04 Holyflare wrote:
Time to vote Sentinel. Struggles with thread entrance, copies my nonchalant-ness to LS. Reads fake, easy mafia.
##vote Sentinel "I'm voting for you because you did what I did" That's not how you start a wagon silly You did exactly what I did directly after me. It wasn't original or funny, it was just a mimic of someone who is town in an attempt to blend in. Everything you have done is neither constructive nor helpful. Even this quoted post doesn't construct a read, nor does it evaluate anything else in the thread or about my alignment or anyone elses. You are mafia, simple as that. is this what you really feel about sent, or is it strongly worded to make the game move?
Who am I voting for?
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If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
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Why would I care what you think of my Sentinel case and why does that make me mafia if you don't think it's strong?
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It is not about what I think. It's about what you think. You think it's strong or you do not, you jump on it or do not. That does not bother me. I put my thoughts in the thread for people to see and call out things that should be called out. You are effectively defending Sentinel playing atrociously and even going so far as self-voting when called out to do what? Vote me and say you don't like the way I'm playing right now?
There are three fundamental questions that you need to answer now, Rels:
Do you agree or disagree with the premise that Sentinel has played sub-optimally, flown under the radar and was just not funny?
When I applied pressure to Sentinel and voted him and he self-voted, did he perpetuate the case on him even further or react helpfully?
When Sentinel reacted poorly to pressure did I look worse or better?
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On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote:
and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
- Blend
- Sew discontent
- Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems:
1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad.
2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them.
3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about? I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted.
LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache.
the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ??????
Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer
Coughing Boomer
American Doctor
8x Healthy Boomer fixed This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting. Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least. you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts? lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
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On March 26 2020 13:54 Rels wrote:well, I'm going to sleep. Please apply what you wrote above and be transparent, and let's resume this tomorrow 
I have never not been transparent.
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Let me ask you this follow up question, Rels. If I were indeed pushing Sentinel as a "reaction" and I didn't think my case was actually strong, why would I ever answer your question of whether I believed in it and debase the whole thing? If I answer, "No, I do not think it is strong" then a mafia Sentinel would have nothing to fear whatsoever and anything I hoped to achieve would be pointless.
Why should I be totally transparent to the detriment of anything I achieve in that case?
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On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
It's not too difficult to understand. I still think the points on Sentinel are apt, he's done nothing but flounder in the thread. What does that make his alignment? Pretty undertermined at this point in truth, unfortunately.
Psychologically, and rather egotistically, players are more drawn to seeing their name typed in the thread and reacting to those posts. If you just acknowledge the basic tenets of a mafia player (as I outlined) and extrapolate that all townies should be looking out for that behaviour specifically (because really, that's how you find mafia in every game) then Sentinel should have acknowledged Kelsier's stances on himself.
If Sentinel is town, then he should see Kelsier say that the lynch on him is bad but then totally 180 on himself and meekly support it as the best lynch. That is a bad look for Kelsier, if Sentinel is town, because he is lynch bait and Kelsier is jumping on him.
Why specifically did I call out Sentinel for it? Mostly for the above, a bit for reaction fishing from other people and also a tad in hopes Kelsier would react (although I think he might of gone to sleep at this point).
On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
Sentinel doesn't really understand why I said it so that leaves me with either:
Sentinel is not critically thinking about the game in any way, shape or form as a townie.
OR
Sentinel is mafia and doesn't subconsciously put together the things that naturally come to a townie.
I'm hesitant to say it's the latter but we'll see. Kelsier is a great vote at least.
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What have I done that's railroaded the thread? I just simply made a case.
If you have some kind of out of game related problem with me then I'm sorry if I did anything to offend, I'm just here to play mafia. I don't plan on commandeering the thread.
If you're mafia then just carry on I guess. Ad hominems usually sway me.
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On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
So you're establishing that you attack me personally and blame the death of the forum on me/my playstyle because I play the game of mafia?
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On March 27 2020 04:02 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 03:57 GlowingBear wrote:On March 27 2020 03:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:On March 26 2020 10:12 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 08:56 GlowingBear wrote:
LS, I was pushing Rels just to get some traction in the thread.
HF, is Vivax town? And what you got out of that push onto Rels? Nothing, I was just getting traction. On March 26 2020 10:17 Chezinu wrote:On March 26 2020 09:49 GlowingBear wrote:
zZz Hello! Wakey wakey little teddy bear! oh how memorizing you are! Please speak to me! Chez I'll speak! Are you mafia? On March 26 2020 11:31 Trfel wrote:On March 26 2020 10:58 Rels wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? why? Vivax typically has trouble Day 1 as mafia, here he seems present and quite comfortable. This is in the past, Trfel. Last game I've played with him he was very capable as mafia. On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote:
and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game. Mafia have three main objectives: - Blend
- Sew discontent
- Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems:
1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad.
2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them.
3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee. On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
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Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about? I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case. On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted.
LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache.
the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny. Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible. Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway". Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons. Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these. On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer
Coughing Boomer
American Doctor
8x Healthy Boomer fixed This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting. Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least. you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts? lul x2 Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions. On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read. Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta. On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads. On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
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Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia. Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad. On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this. Worst post on thread yet. Are these points alignment indicative? What do you believe these guys are? Town? Mafia? On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote:
also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over. Care to explain? At least explain why you're leaving Chez out. --- And this is basically what's interesting right now. Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda. ##Vote: Holyflare So I wasn't the only one who actually thought this as well even I didn't say it in the thread but I been thinking that for sure. I will vote HF with you. ##Vote: Holyflare What do you think of Sentinel and Kelsier, LS? And Vivax? Null on Sentinel he been very underwhelming but I don't think it was super scummy like HF made it out to be and townlean on Kelsier despite the over reaction by him mainly because he and I had the same thoughts on HF's push on Sent. Vivax I still got him as town like I stated earlier he is at least engaging in the game which he doesn't do much as scum.
Have you actually read the case on Kelsier? I find it extremely hard to believe that you have when you make the bolded statement.
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On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote:
and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game. Mafia have three main objectives: - Blend
- Sew discontent
- Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems:
1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad.
2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them.
3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee. On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
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I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about? I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case. On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted.
LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache.
the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny. Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible. Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway". Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons. Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these. On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer
Coughing Boomer
American Doctor
8x Healthy Boomer fixed This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting. Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least. you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts? lul x2 Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions. On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read. Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta. On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads. On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia. Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
On March 26 2020 19:37 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 19:33 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty. So you're establishing that you attack me personally and blame the death of the forum on me/my playstyle because I play the game of mafia? You arent playing mafia you are a bully hiding behind your screen. Got no time for you
On March 26 2020 22:56 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up and saw HF also casing KSC although it not the worst case in the world but I aint biting it and KSC's reaction though seems very over the top? Dunno how to feel about that. Palmar's entrance is meh. I hope someone can actually help me read HF this game....
On March 27 2020 03:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare I also found this interesting as well. I don't get the push on either or, which is why I didn't even buy into it, yet Palmar followed along anyways.
On March 27 2020 03:52 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:On March 26 2020 10:12 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 08:56 GlowingBear wrote:
LS, I was pushing Rels just to get some traction in the thread.
HF, is Vivax town? And what you got out of that push onto Rels? Nothing, I was just getting traction. On March 26 2020 10:17 Chezinu wrote:On March 26 2020 09:49 GlowingBear wrote:
zZz Hello! Wakey wakey little teddy bear! oh how memorizing you are! Please speak to me! Chez I'll speak! Are you mafia? On March 26 2020 11:31 Trfel wrote:On March 26 2020 10:58 Rels wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? why? Vivax typically has trouble Day 1 as mafia, here he seems present and quite comfortable. This is in the past, Trfel. Last game I've played with him he was very capable as mafia. On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote:
and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game. Mafia have three main objectives: - Blend
- Sew discontent
- Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems:
1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad.
2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them.
3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee. On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
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Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about? I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case. On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted.
LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache.
the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny. Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible. Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway". Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons. Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these. On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer
Coughing Boomer
American Doctor
8x Healthy Boomer fixed This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting. Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least. you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts? lul x2 Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions. On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read. Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta. On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads. On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia. Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad. On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this. Worst post on thread yet. Are these points alignment indicative? What do you believe these guys are? Town? Mafia? On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote:
also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over. Care to explain? At least explain why you're leaving Chez out. --- And this is basically what's interesting right now. Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda. ##Vote: Holyflare So I wasn't the only one who actually thought this as well even I didn't say it in the thread but I been thinking that for sure. I will vote HF with you. ##Vote: Holyflare
On March 26 2020 12:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 12:04 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 11:10 Rels wrote:On March 26 2020 10:23 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 08:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 07:04 Holyflare wrote:
Time to vote Sentinel. Struggles with thread entrance, copies my nonchalant-ness to LS. Reads fake, easy mafia.
##vote Sentinel "I'm voting for you because you did what I did" That's not how you start a wagon silly You did exactly what I did directly after me. It wasn't original or funny, it was just a mimic of someone who is town in an attempt to blend in. Everything you have done is neither constructive nor helpful. Even this quoted post doesn't construct a read, nor does it evaluate anything else in the thread or about my alignment or anyone elses. You are mafia, simple as that. is this what you really feel about sent, or is it strongly worded to make the game move? Who am I voting for? It's probably the latter, Rels ##vote [UoN]Sentinel
These posts, afking and work commitments are why this forum is dead and others thrive.
You post a long case and people agree with it (which is fine because they actually elaborated on reasons why) but other people disagree with it and say absolutely nothing relevant to any of the points within it. There is no debate about what points are constructed or what points make someone mafia, there is no push for me because someone thinks this is a narrative (instead, there is a push for me because people can't read the voting thread). This forum is plagued by people talking AT each other saying meagre sentences like "I think he is town" or "I think he is mafia" and no actual discourse about any points anyone raises.
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On March 27 2020 08:45 LightningStrike wrote:
Null on Sentinel he been very underwhelming but I don't think it was super scummy like HF made it out to be and townlean on Kelsier despite the over reaction by him mainly because he and I had the same thoughts on HF's push on Sent. Vivax I still got him as town like I stated earlier he is at least engaging in the game which he doesn't do much as scum.
Have you actually read the case on Kelsier? I find it extremely hard to believe that you have when you make the bolded statement.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about? I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted.
LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache.
the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
If you have the same thoughts as Kelsier about Sentinel then why all of a sudden does he want to lynch Sentinel for points I've raised?
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On March 27 2020 08:49 LightningStrike wrote:
DMA says that HF might actually be town now wtf.......
Or, as someone with a brain who can analyse posts and content and talk through points that others have raised rather than blandly stating things, you could come to the conclusion I'm town without resorting to pointless metrics.
If you have to write an essay on a topic do you write one line that says the conclusion or do you flesh out arguments from both sides and have a discourse that ends up in a conclusion?
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What the fuck is "Geript's way of reading you" and why is it good when I've been lynched as mafia like a grand total of 2-3 times ever?
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You don't KNOW what mafia agenda is. This thread was dead, nobody was posting any case on anyone. Who were people voting before I started two "cases" (why do people call my one sentence on Sentinel a case????) on people that BOTH floundered and refuse to play the game instead of making any kind of actual retort to statements I've made.
There is only town agenda to start cases and make pushes in this game. Nothing was achieved beforehand and it's very much QUITE apparent that nothing happened in my absense either. People that get cased refuse to even play the game and are mafia or shouldn't have even bothered to sign up to this game. If one sentence against Sentinel was enough pressure to get him to fold and he's town then I have no hope for any kind of future here.
So, LS, why is pushing Kelsier with a case when there are 0 votes in the thread considered mafia agenda?
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Palmar is following a stellar case on a mafia member that folded under pressure and resorted to ad hominem attacks on me for absolutely no reason despite never voicing these grievances in any game we have played together previously.
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On March 27 2020 09:05 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 08:46 Holyflare wrote:On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote:
and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game. Mafia have three main objectives: - Blend
- Sew discontent
- Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems:
1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad.
2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them.
3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee. On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
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GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about? I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case. On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted.
LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache.
the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny. Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible. Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway". Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons. Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these. On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer
Coughing Boomer
American Doctor
8x Healthy Boomer fixed This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting. Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least. you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts? lul x2 Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions. On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read. Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta. On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads. On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
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I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia. Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad. On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty. On March 26 2020 19:37 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 19:33 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty. So you're establishing that you attack me personally and blame the death of the forum on me/my playstyle because I play the game of mafia? You arent playing mafia you are a bully hiding behind your screen. Got no time for you On March 26 2020 22:56 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up and saw HF also casing KSC although it not the worst case in the world but I aint biting it and KSC's reaction though seems very over the top? Dunno how to feel about that. Palmar's entrance is meh. I hope someone can actually help me read HF this game.... On March 27 2020 03:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare I also found this interesting as well. I don't get the push on either or, which is why I didn't even buy into it, yet Palmar followed along anyways. On March 27 2020 03:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:On March 26 2020 10:12 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 08:56 GlowingBear wrote:
LS, I was pushing Rels just to get some traction in the thread.
HF, is Vivax town? And what you got out of that push onto Rels? Nothing, I was just getting traction. On March 26 2020 10:17 Chezinu wrote:On March 26 2020 09:49 GlowingBear wrote:
zZz Hello! Wakey wakey little teddy bear! oh how memorizing you are! Please speak to me! Chez I'll speak! Are you mafia? On March 26 2020 11:31 Trfel wrote:On March 26 2020 10:58 Rels wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? why? Vivax typically has trouble Day 1 as mafia, here he seems present and quite comfortable. This is in the past, Trfel. Last game I've played with him he was very capable as mafia. On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote:
and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game. Mafia have three main objectives: - Blend
- Sew discontent
- Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems:
1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad.
2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them.
3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee. On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
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Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about? I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case. On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted.
LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache.
the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny. Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible. Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway". Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons. Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these. On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer
Coughing Boomer
American Doctor
8x Healthy Boomer fixed This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting. Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least. you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts? lul x2 Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions. On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read. Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta. On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads. On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
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Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia. Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad. On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this. Worst post on thread yet. Are these points alignment indicative? What do you believe these guys are? Town? Mafia? On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote:
also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over. Care to explain? At least explain why you're leaving Chez out. --- And this is basically what's interesting right now. Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda. ##Vote: Holyflare So I wasn't the only one who actually thought this as well even I didn't say it in the thread but I been thinking that for sure. I will vote HF with you. ##Vote: Holyflare On March 26 2020 12:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 12:04 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 11:10 Rels wrote:On March 26 2020 10:23 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 08:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 07:04 Holyflare wrote:
Time to vote Sentinel. Struggles with thread entrance, copies my nonchalant-ness to LS. Reads fake, easy mafia.
##vote Sentinel "I'm voting for you because you did what I did" That's not how you start a wagon silly You did exactly what I did directly after me. It wasn't original or funny, it was just a mimic of someone who is town in an attempt to blend in. Everything you have done is neither constructive nor helpful. Even this quoted post doesn't construct a read, nor does it evaluate anything else in the thread or about my alignment or anyone elses. You are mafia, simple as that. is this what you really feel about sent, or is it strongly worded to make the game move? Who am I voting for? It's probably the latter, Rels ##vote [UoN]Sentinel These posts, afking and work commitments are why this forum is dead and others thrive. You post a long case and people agree with it (which is fine because they actually elaborated on reasons why) but other people disagree with it and say absolutely nothing relevant to any of the points within it. There is no debate about what points are constructed or what points make someone mafia, there is no push for me because someone thinks this is a narrative (instead, there is a push for me because people can't read the voting thread). This forum is plagued by people talking AT each other saying meagre sentences like "I think he is town" or "I think he is mafia" and no actual discourse about any points anyone raises. When did you get this whiny?
Probably when people spent two pages arguing that I'm mafia because they couldn't read a vote thread instead of any actual mafia agenda for writing a giant wall of text and not voting for that person.
Or maybe when the two specific people you call out decide not to play and just make the game incredibly boring. Why should I waste my time arguing points with people when the only person that can reveal their alignment and progress the game doesn't even want to play?
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On March 27 2020 09:04 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 09:01 Holyflare wrote:
Palmar is following a stellar case on a mafia member that folded under pressure and resorted to ad hominem attacks on me for absolutely no reason despite never voicing these grievances in any game we have played together previously. Will check if the later is true. Now about Trfel while I check?
On March 06 2015 23:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Well you townread hf because he wasn't pushing the thread his way but the games ive played with hf as town he like bullies the thread to go his way.
I've searched Kelsier's post history for bully and this is the only post I got. He thinks I'm a bully as town.
On September 13 2018 23:34 KelsierSC wrote:
@Qatol 3 confirmed towns have all called you mafia, hf and koshi are also good players worth listening to.
No one is listening or using logic so not much point posting. lets vote rels because some guy who wasn't here for 2 days posted a bunch of nonsense. Rels is basically an AFK tbh so its bad you want to risk the whole game on that.
I'm not going to convince you that you're mafia but until people want to engage their brain and play the game a little then we just lose.
Also has never said anything about me being the death of the forum. I searched hf in his search history and he's never once mentioned anything of the sort.
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Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.
I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative.
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On March 27 2020 09:16 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.
I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative. Exactly what I said before Are you reading what I post?
No, I enjoy talking past people and ignoring them. Haven't you gathered that?
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Perhaps because the only reason both you and LightningStrike have for town reading Kelsier is that you agreed with him that you all disliked my Sentinel "case" which was two sentences of pressure made to make Sentinel actually post content rather than a concrete solid "I've got mafia" "case". It's designed to be shit, it's designed to be called out and it's the most low hanging fruit a mafia player can criticise under the guise of content.
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You then called my case a narrative but you have no reason to. Kelsier has called out the Sentinel case for being bad and that he won't follow me, nothing else actually happened in the entire thread before, during or after that other than Sentinel's reaction and self-voting. Kelsier flips his stance to say "Oh, Sentinel hasn't done anything, could vote actually"????
No, that's the epitome of no scum hunting, that's the epitome of going after low hanging fruit. He's displayed his perfect information repeatedly in the form of denying people's points for no solid reasoning and then has picked a wagon that he needs to lynch because he has to have a reason to lynch someone eventually.
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On March 27 2020 09:22 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 09:00 Holyflare wrote:
You don't KNOW what mafia agenda is. This thread was dead, nobody was posting any case on anyone. Who were people voting before I started two "cases" (why do people call my one sentence on Sentinel a case????) on people that BOTH floundered and refuse to play the game instead of making any kind of actual retort to statements I've made.
There is only town agenda to start cases and make pushes in this game. Nothing was achieved beforehand and it's very much QUITE apparent that nothing happened in my absense either. People that get cased refuse to even play the game and are mafia or shouldn't have even bothered to sign up to this game. If one sentence against Sentinel was enough pressure to get him to fold and he's town then I have no hope for any kind of future here.
So, LS, why is pushing Kelsier with a case when there are 0 votes in the thread considered mafia agenda? Not Kelsier, but I don't like early pushes because it doesn't help? It just causes people to argue... Like literally we still have a few hours to discuss this instead of trying to get some one voted on immediately. I find trying to vote some one out immediately with not much substance more of a mafia motive than town motive. Posts like mine are why mafia forum is dead? Sad. I guess I just wont play anymore and let the forum really die.
I don't mean it as disrespect. I take it as disrespectful. If someone takes the time to write out a case and outline points on why someone is mafia and then nobody responds to the post, breaks it down or analyses anything about it and then blindly calls people mafia what do you think the person that puts effort into these cases feels like?
Why would that person even bother to write cases or call anyone mafia for reasons ever again? It's a slippery slope of deterioration that leads to an inane playstyle of talking past each other and lynching people based on feeling and nothing concrete.
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On March 27 2020 09:26 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 09:22 Holyflare wrote:
Perhaps because the only reason both you and LightningStrike have for town reading Kelsier is that you agreed with him that you all disliked my Sentinel "case" which was two sentences of pressure made to make Sentinel actually post content rather than a concrete solid "I've got mafia" "case". It's designed to be shit, it's designed to be called out and it's the most low hanging fruit a mafia player can criticise under the guise of content.
That's not the reason I'm town reading Kelsier. Also, if your case is shit, it will be called out by town. Especially when they don't see your actual vote.
It's not shit, it's been agreed upon by three separate people that aren't me. Trfel, Rels and Palmar - all respectfully good people. If you disagree with the case, you don't simply get to call it shit since you are now going against the grain of 4 separate people that can't all be mafia. You need to give reasons and explain what parts are shit and why. Let's also not conflate that that wasn't my original point. You NEVER addressed the actual case in the post I quoted. The first post after the fact is ignoring the entirety of the posts and simply concluding "HF didn't actually vote at the end of it, that's so bad!". Firstly, why on earth would that ever make me mafia in any way, shape or form in another game? Am I usually inconsistent like that as mafia? Secondly, you never addressed the post there at all.
KelsierSC
Had the same reaction I had on Holyflare's case. I can get behind his logic, even if he is overreacting.
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On March 27 2020 09:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Do you really want me to break down your case and point out why it is shit when you admittedly say it's shit?
I have to waste time because you took time to do a shit case?
I'm not following your logic, sorry.
When did I ever call my case shit??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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On March 27 2020 09:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.
I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative. I never said there was three mafia? I know there's only two this game, I read the first post nah mean? I'm just saying that there's a possibility from those three people there's mafia.
Ok, why exactly do you think I am/was mafia to begin with? Please just explain it in 3 short bullet points or sentences.
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There was at least a page of discussion with GB about it, LS.
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On March 27 2020 10:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 09:34 Holyflare wrote:On March 27 2020 09:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.
I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative. I never said there was three mafia? I know there's only two this game, I read the first post nah mean? I'm just saying that there's a possibility from those three people there's mafia. Ok, why exactly do you think I am/was mafia to begin with? Please just explain it in 3 short bullet points or sentences. 1. You claim you made a case vs Sentinel, but it was barely a case, then instantly swap to KelsierSC for saying your case blows and him voting for you? 2. You're telling people how mafia should be played yet most of us here have played together already for quite some time. 3. I've played with you on the mafia team before, and that post screams end of game posting style from our game together.
1. He voted for me after I made the case on him?? I also didn't only vote him for saying my case blows?? That's literally none of what I write about in my actual case on Kelsier??????
2. Yet people still don't understand it.
3. Fine.
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I can see how someone would conflate that case with my mafia cases because it was posted in the "I want people to do something" tone/format that I use to coerce people. I don't really understand point 1 at all.
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On March 27 2020 10:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 10:14 Holyflare wrote:On March 27 2020 10:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 09:34 Holyflare wrote:On March 27 2020 09:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.
I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative. I never said there was three mafia? I know there's only two this game, I read the first post nah mean? I'm just saying that there's a possibility from those three people there's mafia. Ok, why exactly do you think I am/was mafia to begin with? Please just explain it in 3 short bullet points or sentences. 1. You claim you made a case vs Sentinel, but it was barely a case, then instantly swap to KelsierSC for saying your case blows and him voting for you? 2. You're telling people how mafia should be played yet most of us here have played together already for quite some time. 3. I've played with you on the mafia team before, and that post screams end of game posting style from our game together. 1. He voted for me after I made the case on him?? I also didn't only vote him for saying my case blows?? That's literally none of what I write about in my actual case on Kelsier?????? 2. Yet people still don't understand it. 3. Fine. Point 1 is based on memory, but I recall him saying your case on Sentinel blows, then you went off on Kelsier with your case, then voted for him.
But what part of my case relies on the premise that I am attacking Kelsier for saying my Sentinel case blows?
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On March 27 2020 12:32 GlowingBear wrote:
HF, care to comment on my posts?
Trfel is weird, yes. I don't agree with any of his points on Palmar since Palmar can absolutely just be lazy. Not much to comment on really. I still think Kelsier is a much higher chance of being mafia.
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On March 27 2020 12:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 11:54 Holyflare wrote:On March 27 2020 10:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 10:14 Holyflare wrote:On March 27 2020 10:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 09:34 Holyflare wrote:On March 27 2020 09:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.
I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative. I never said there was three mafia? I know there's only two this game, I read the first post nah mean? I'm just saying that there's a possibility from those three people there's mafia. Ok, why exactly do you think I am/was mafia to begin with? Please just explain it in 3 short bullet points or sentences. 1. You claim you made a case vs Sentinel, but it was barely a case, then instantly swap to KelsierSC for saying your case blows and him voting for you? 2. You're telling people how mafia should be played yet most of us here have played together already for quite some time. 3. I've played with you on the mafia team before, and that post screams end of game posting style from our game together. 1. He voted for me after I made the case on him?? I also didn't only vote him for saying my case blows?? That's literally none of what I write about in my actual case on Kelsier?????? 2. Yet people still don't understand it. 3. Fine. Point 1 is based on memory, but I recall him saying your case on Sentinel blows, then you went off on Kelsier with your case, then voted for him. But what part of my case relies on the premise that I am attacking Kelsier for saying my Sentinel case blows? Ok here we gooooo..... Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. You literally claimed Kelsier would be confirmed mafia here, Kelsier last posts during this time were about him going to work, and about your other case against Sentinel blowing. You didn't really have reasoning here to think he was mafia just yet. His beginning posts which were much literally read as town to me. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/557789-emergency-quarantine-mafia?page=11On this page you decided to jump back to Sentinel Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 13:38 Holyflare wrote:
It is not about what I think. It's about what you think. You think it's strong or you do not, you jump on it or do not. That does not bother me. I put my thoughts in the thread for people to see and call out things that should be called out. You are effectively defending Sentinel playing atrociously and even going so far as self-voting when called out to do what? Vote me and say you don't like the way I'm playing right now?
There are three fundamental questions that you need to answer now, Rels:
Do you agree or disagree with the premise that Sentinel has played sub-optimally, flown under the radar and was just not funny?
When I applied pressure to Sentinel and voted him and he self-voted, did he perpetuate the case on him even further or react helpfully?
When Sentinel reacted poorly to pressure did I look worse or better? We actually care what you think, if you're actually town, we should care about what you think. Then directly after this post, you make that huge "case" against Kelsier which literally had almost his only posts. You were flip floppy here between either or trying to get a wagon going. Kelsier seemed like an easier lynch at this point because two players also joined, so let's completely forget about your first push.
I don't know what point you're trying to raise to be honest. Do you think that when I created the case on Kelsier those points magically jumped out to me while I was making it or do you think I already had a pre-determined set of points that I wanted to raise in the thread?
Trfel asked me about that first quote here:
On March 26 2020 15:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this. It's not too difficult to understand. I still think the points on Sentinel are apt, he's done nothing but flounder in the thread. What does that make his alignment? Pretty undertermined at this point in truth, unfortunately. Psychologically, and rather egotistically, players are more drawn to seeing their name typed in the thread and reacting to those posts. If you just acknowledge the basic tenets of a mafia player (as I outlined) and extrapolate that all townies should be looking out for that behaviour specifically (because really, that's how you find mafia in every game) then Sentinel should have acknowledged Kelsier's stances on himself. If Sentinel is town, then he should see Kelsier say that the lynch on him is bad but then totally 180 on himself and meekly support it as the best lynch. That is a bad look for Kelsier, if Sentinel is town, because he is lynch bait and Kelsier is jumping on him. Why specifically did I call out Sentinel for it? Mostly for the above, a bit for reaction fishing from other people and also a tad in hopes Kelsier would react (although I think he might of gone to sleep at this point). Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read Sentinel doesn't really understand why I said it so that leaves me with either: Sentinel is not critically thinking about the game in any way, shape or form as a townie. OR Sentinel is mafia and doesn't subconsciously put together the things that naturally come to a townie. I'm hesitant to say it's the latter but we'll see. Kelsier is a great vote at least.
I had already determined that Kelsier was mafia and wanted to test the waters with Sentinel some more to see if they were either mafia together or if there was a chance Sentinel could be town. It was entirely inconclusive but that's neither here nor there.
I also didn't "jump back to Sentinel", I was questioning (and answering at some point) Rels' questions. You can see how I'm trying to reach a conclusion on RELS (not Sentinel) because I am asking Rels questions in relation to the events. So, no, I didn't become undecided between the two, since none of these questions relate to MY read on Sentinel in the slightest, rather Rels' read progression on me and Sentinel.
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It's really quite clear, there is a guy that has never had a problem with me in any previous game suddenly spouting ad hominem attacks about how my playstyle killed the forum and how he won't respond to any case against him and won't play until I'm out of the game despite never saying it has been a problem in any game I've ever played with him.
Let's make that really simple:
If I am mafia, it's my job to simply lynch TOWN Kelsier, it's part and parcel that I would create a narrative to lynch him or drown him out with a wall of text. Why would it be a game breaking problem that I created a case on him?
If I am town and Kelsier is town, he has never expressed any hesitance about my playstyle ever before, I could be wrong and he could just ignore it and hunt for mafia. I didn't push that case against him just in case he was feeling bad and Palmar etc gave him many outs to come back repeatedly for a good 12+ hours and he did nothing with it.
If I am town and Kelsier is mafia, he has to create a narrative and excuses to not play, deflect from the case and react to the pressure. He KNOWS that a town Holyflare is a bully (has any of my behaviour this game been bullyish? - look at my filter to find evidence that he knows I make cases as town) and he reacts badly.
The only thing that makes sense is the bolded since, like my case said, he has the perfect narrative and his mafia style is to "deconstruct" with the perfect information rather than construct cases and direction to the thread flow.
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On March 27 2020 13:01 Rels wrote:
HF do you have a read on Chez?
Not a clue.
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I went back and read Trfel's last game and it feels a lot more free flowing and conversationally asking questions in paragraphs than I'm seeing here. Don't know if it means anything but it's definitely a different playstyle at least. This seems more like state facts, no intrigue?
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I guess it doesn't help that the two people he likes for mafia are afkers right now so that might be cause for it. Trfel, I'd appreciate you dropping a vote at least as a commitment thing, there's literally nothing stopping you changing it later.
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On March 27 2020 13:27 Rels wrote:
on this part TBH I don't understand you or GB. I don't see how him not voting early makes him scummy.
I didn't say it did necessarily but why even have hesitance? It's not like your vote can't move once you have placed it and an added vote count creates pressure to the intended person you are voting, otherwise what's the pressure at all?
If he agrees with my case, had further points to add to it about Kelsier's stance on LS then it's kind of strange suddenly to NOT be certain about where to place your vote and to be suddenly "conflicted" that Palmar, his other new scum read, is also voting Kelsier?
It's just a line of text in a vote thread, what's the big deal about not being sure? It creates pressure and shows your INTENTION throughout the game to give players more information about where your head was at at any given time.
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Literally the point of any townie is that you have ONE power and that's the power to vote.
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You can't possibly see any situation where Kelsier is mafia??? What are his strong points in his filter?
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Also why do you keep asking me questions or giving statements for reasons I'm mafia but not interacting with me about my explanations?
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Why on earth would I find it difficult to talk about my case??
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On March 28 2020 00:51 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2020 00:47 Rels wrote:On March 28 2020 00:29 GlowingBear wrote:
HF's case is bad and you all should know it.
I have been trying to have a conversation with him but he refuses to. When I attacked his case, he simply ignored it. Because he knows his case isn't good.
This is Mafia Holyflare 100%. He is selective, he is boring, he acts like an emotional bitch. He just wants to convince people Kelsier is Mafia instead of trying to actually trying to sort everyone out.
You can win this game by killing him. If not, it will be another game where HF is glaringly Mafia but people refuses to believe
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##Vote: Holyflare HF is always difficult to read, but TBH this game I don't see what you see. He seems pretty reasonnable to me, I don't see him hiding behind emotional outbursts like you said? I like how he attacked me when I challenged him, just enough to see my mindset, but not overly aggressively He spent a page saying that these forums were dying because people weren't discussing his case. This was unwarranted. When I start discussing his case, he ignores. Even after I asked him to talk about my posts. He focused on what I've posted on Trfel. I don't like that people aren't discussing my case (FORUM IS DYING FOR THIS) VS I don't really want to discuss my case (I maybe killing this forum) Holyflare is selective as Mafia. He decides to dismiss or ignore things he finds difficult to discuss and will not fit his agenda.Rels, I'm telling you, I'm 100% sure he is Mafia
How bad is this sentence. Jesus.
Holyflare won't talk about his case with me because as mafia he likes to dismiss or ignore things that don't fit his agenda.
My agenda being pushing my Kelsier case?
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I willfully ignore posts that I don't agree with, yes.
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I honestly just don't care GB.
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I was painting Yamato's cat, I don't have to be invested in anything lol. Much more thrilling than this snooze fest.
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Just because you pay lip service to my whining 12 hours later doesn't mean I have to do the same to you.
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There's a path of lesser resitance. I think your post on my case was a terrible response. Not terrible as in you're mafia just a really bad take but I have the wherewithal to know that even discussing it with you is a waste of time because you devalued it to differing of opinions and opinions don't usually change. So I didn't even comment on it. Soz.
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So I spent my time commenting on something better, like the Trfel wagon.
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I could alternatively do neither
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On March 28 2020 01:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I responded to you HF, thoughts on my responses? Or you going to ignore it?
I don't know what I'm supposed to respond to. You're just making assumptions that aren't true. In your world for some reason I have hatched a plan to call Kelsier mafia, implicate Sentinel in it and then somehow feel pressured into making a case on Kelsier out of thin air that's just a list of his posts.
When in reality I had already made the case on Kelsier in my head, tried to get a read on Sentinel from it and then just outlined the case when I actually was in the thread and had spare time in between asking Rels questions. The case is almost certainly not just a list of his posts either.
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My case isn't pivotal to lynching Kelsier, nor do I really think Kelsier should be the lynch over Trfel. I specifically whined that nobody commented on it because I wrote a lot of words and people did shit all with it.
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On March 28 2020 01:37 Rels wrote:
HF you have no thought about KSC's posts a few hours ago?
I care very little at the moment sorry. I've probably got corona and I'm immuno compromised so I'm a bit distracted.
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On March 28 2020 01:41 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 13:08 Holyflare wrote:
I went back and read Trfel's last game and it feels a lot more free flowing and conversationally asking questions in paragraphs than I'm seeing here. Don't know if it means anything but it's definitely a different playstyle at least. This seems more like state facts, no intrigue? ????????? So you'd prefer to have Trfel with the "different playstyle" other than your top scumread??????
Probably? So what?
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On March 28 2020 01:44 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2020 01:42 Holyflare wrote:On March 28 2020 01:41 GlowingBear wrote:On March 27 2020 13:08 Holyflare wrote:
I went back and read Trfel's last game and it feels a lot more free flowing and conversationally asking questions in paragraphs than I'm seeing here. Don't know if it means anything but it's definitely a different playstyle at least. This seems more like state facts, no intrigue? ????????? So you'd prefer to have Trfel with the "different playstyle" other than your top scumread?????? Probably? So what? Don't you think you have less reasons to lynch Trfel other than Kelsier?
I can do what I want fam
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Wow that Kelsier lynch was bad as fuck. GB should feel ashamed or is mafia.
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I'm about 75% sure Shockeyy is mafia.
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GB posted that he's positive I'm mafia repeatedly for about 4 pages, he also defended Kelsier and called him town. Yet what explanation have we received other than he won't play anymore for why he killed his town read and voted with his certain mafia read?
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I'll back off gb actually. Carry on.
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##vote GlowingBear
Very easily and clearly mafia.
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It's very bm not to kill me when I'm almost guaranteed to not be able to play so thanks for being a dick to a sick person gb.
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It's almost unbelievable the amount of crap that flows through Shockeyy and GB's posts.
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There is no world, no plane of existence where GB magically starts calling me mafia right at eod day 1 despite airing no grievances previously and is SO sure I'm mafia and actually hard defends Kelsier as being town that he votes Kelsier at eod WITH ME.
He's so paranoid of how bad he looks he auto defends himself with inane over explained reasons. He has also lied repeatedly to over exaggerate how he's so good at finding me when I'm mafia. That has never and will never be the case and there is quite a clear history of him being wrong and also him pushing me to stir shit when he's mafia.
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On March 29 2020 04:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2020 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
It's almost unbelievable the amount of crap that flows through Shockeyy and GB's posts. This post is crap ;(
No, it's really not. At each point you come up with a new narrative revolving around my case on Kelsier and how I was forced into making points on him when that quite clearly doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to anyone who thinks through that logic.
Then you evolve the narrative to be about how I pushed Kelsier all game based on a shitty case but even the guy I cased himself literally said it was a good case. Furthermore, there was expanding evidence not related to my case at all on Kelsier that I kept researching to get a better read on him since, you know, he just afkd 90% of tbe cycle.
Then and only then do you blame the Kelsier lynch on my shitty case and me WHEN I SAID TRFEL WAS A BETTER LYNCH and there's 4 other non me players on Kelsier that pushed him for infinitely worse reasons.
GB killed him because he couldn't get enough votes on me? What a load of shit.
You prepare narratives and don't care about the follow up and then compound more and more platitudes thinking it makes sense to your scenario.
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On March 29 2020 04:26 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2020 04:06 Holyflare wrote:
There is no world, no plane of existence where GB magically starts calling me mafia right at eod day 1 despite airing no grievances previously and is SO sure I'm mafia and actually hard defends Kelsier as being town that he votes Kelsier at eod WITH ME.
He's so paranoid of how bad he looks he auto defends himself with inane over explained reasons. He has also lied repeatedly to over exaggerate how he's so good at finding me when I'm mafia. That has never and will never be the case and there is quite a clear history of him being wrong and also him pushing me to stir shit when he's mafia. History of games says otherwise. Explain to me why me, as Mafia, would do such move at EoD. Tell me my motivation.
Rather than make a case on anything game relevant I will go through every single game we have ever played together and weigh it up. I can almost without a doubt guarantee that you have called me mafia in every single game.
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On March 29 2020 04:26 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2020 04:06 Holyflare wrote:
There is no world, no plane of existence where GB magically starts calling me mafia right at eod day 1 despite airing no grievances previously and is SO sure I'm mafia and actually hard defends Kelsier as being town that he votes Kelsier at eod WITH ME.
He's so paranoid of how bad he looks he auto defends himself with inane over explained reasons. He has also lied repeatedly to over exaggerate how he's so good at finding me when I'm mafia. That has never and will never be the case and there is quite a clear history of him being wrong and also him pushing me to stir shit when he's mafia. History of games says otherwise. Explain to me why me, as Mafia, would do such move at EoD. Tell me my motivation.
Three myslinches without dying. It's not easy if town is organized. They can't have suspicions thrown at them either, because they need to survive and they don't have a partner to "spare", to be totally erratic. So Mafia needs to keep disorganizing town and manipulate information in thread, without really compromising themselves. I expect at least one mafia to do that. They will use their perfect information to play a very logic game.
Checkmate. Game was too stale for you, lynches and information free flowing. You know I will likely fight back if you start shit with me and clog up the thread. You thrive on unnecessary discourse as mafia.
Vivax knew it, he saw right through your bs in his last post and you killed him for it.
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On March 28 2020 06:55 Vivax wrote:
Ok GB.
Sorry for calling you dumb or mafia for that play and saying you are shitting up the thread.
But you derailed a lynch onto a townie.
While voting with your scumread that you spent a ton of posts on in what looks like an ego-war you deliberately wanted to start.
Which makes perfect sense for mafia before the nr.1 way to get HF to start spamming the thread is to trigger him in some way. When he's mafia he does that on his own. The game is much less confusing when he can just do his thing in peace for a while.
And what I meant with Palmar+Shockey not playing referred to them wasting their votes.
He got you. Guarantee there's a post in your qt scared of it.
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On March 29 2020 05:17 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2020 04:06 Holyflare wrote:
There is no world, no plane of existence where GB magically starts calling me mafia right at eod day 1 despite airing no grievances previously and is SO sure I'm mafia and actually hard defends Kelsier as being town that he votes Kelsier at eod WITH ME.
This is incredibly wrong btw. This is just your classic terrible HF logic. Not sure it makes HF mafia though. I think both him and GB are town.
When you start saying anything useful maybe I'll listen.
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My narrative is literally a quote from your filter. It's your own narrative that caught you.
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On March 29 2020 05:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2020 05:08 Holyflare wrote:On March 29 2020 04:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 29 2020 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
It's almost unbelievable the amount of crap that flows through Shockeyy and GB's posts. This post is crap ;( No, it's really not. At each point you come up with a new narrative revolving around my case on Kelsier and how I was forced into making points on him when that quite clearly doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to anyone who thinks through that logic. Then you evolve the narrative to be about how I pushed Kelsier all game based on a shitty case but even the guy I cased himself literally said it was a good case. Furthermore, there was expanding evidence not related to my case at all on Kelsier that I kept researching to get a better read on him since, you know, he just afkd 90% of tbe cycle. Then and only then do you blame the Kelsier lynch on my shitty case and me WHEN I SAID TRFEL WAS A BETTER LYNCH and there's 4 other non me players on Kelsier that pushed him for infinitely worse reasons. GB killed him because he couldn't get enough votes on me? What a load of shit. You prepare narratives and don't care about the follow up and then compound more and more platitudes thinking it makes sense to your scenario. If Trfel was a better lunch why didn’t you move your vote?
Coronavirus.
Did it look like I was even around to care?
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On March 29 2020 05:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I never said Trfel was a great lunch?
I don't know what this is even a response to.
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On March 29 2020 05:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2020 05:36 Holyflare wrote:
My narrative is literally a quote from your filter. It's your own narrative that caught you. This lol
Perhaps read the post directly above yours.
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If I had to summarise your play this game ShoCkeyy it's wilfully ignorant. I don't normally get that feeling at all from you. What's changed?
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You're a really boring broken record GB. Leave the thread and stop arguing pointless drivel. If you have something constructive to say, say it. Your posts are designed to cause arguments with me instead of proving to other people I'm mafia, that is why you are indeed mafia.
Prove to people I'm mafia, stop trying to prove to me that I'm mafia.
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No any guess on how mafia plan and play is fucking stupid shit. Mafia plays how they want and however fits their play style.
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I'm not interested in solving the game at all. I'm going to potentially fucking die. Do you not get why I honestly couldn't give a shit about this game anymore?
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So please preach some fucking more about how you're so good all the time on solving my alignment. Because you are wrong as shit. You're disruptive. You help mafia win by needlessly antagonising someone that you know devolves threads into spam shit fests. And you do all this with me just so you can win an argument. Pathetic.
I'm not mafia so find another tree to bark at.
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Stop. I don't give a shit. Play knowing I'm town.
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I don't want a conversation with you, you're a disgusting player.
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You call me mafia opportunistically and degrade my case saying how weak it is and how townie you think kelsier is and you have no backbone to vote me and vote off kelsier instead.
That's disgraceful. You are mafia or the worst townie I have seen in a long time.
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On March 29 2020 06:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Help me get you lynched if you really do not care about the game
Absolutely fucking disgusting human being.
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On March 29 2020 06:05 Holyflare wrote:
You're a really boring broken record GB. Leave the thread and stop arguing pointless drivel. If you have something constructive to say, say it. Your posts are designed to cause arguments with me instead of proving to other people I'm mafia, that is why you are indeed mafia.
Prove to people I'm mafia, stop trying to prove to me that I'm mafia.
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I am leaving this thread for good. You will never ever see me again.
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