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On March 28 2020 03:23 ShoCkeyy wrote: GB was here and he definitely wanted to vote HF. Trfel could of also possibly voted HF. That would of been HF lynched instead. I don't think Trfel thought HF was scum over KSC? You are right he could of possibly voted HF and if he did I would of tried to risk it at that point myself.
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On March 28 2020 04:08 Vivax wrote: Gratz GB you voted with your scumread you are shitting up the thread for. I'm honestly not even reading anything you write about HF since you started this stuff. It's just dumb or fake. Why the flying fuck would you shit up the thread like this and then vote with him???
At least HF has the right idea not to pay attention to it.
Lynch Trfel, GB, Sent. Win Gaem.
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he not reading the thread shockeyy lol.....
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On March 28 2020 05:53 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2020 05:33 Holyflare wrote: Wow that Kelsier lynch was bad as fuck. GB should feel ashamed or is mafia. Sure. I'm not playing the game anymore, have a good time you all. Please don't do that
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On March 28 2020 07:05 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2020 06:55 Vivax wrote: Ok GB. Sorry for calling you dumb or mafia for that play and saying you are shitting up the thread.
But you derailed a lynch onto a townie. While voting with your scumread that you spent a ton of posts on in what looks like an ego-war you deliberately wanted to start. Which makes perfect sense for mafia before the nr.1 way to get HF to start spamming the thread is to trigger him in some way. When he's mafia he does that on his own. The game is much less confusing when he can just do his thing in peace for a while.
And what I meant with Palmar+Shockey not playing referred to them wasting their votes. How did I waste my vote? I don't think I did. I think by voting a town to get lynch is a waste of a vote and vote cycle. Because there were 2 main wagons and noone was willing to lynch Palmar at EoD and VCA would be a bit harder.
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On March 28 2020 03:02 Tubesock wrote:Day 1 of quarantine Final Votes KelsierSC: (5) Holyflare, Palmar, [UoN]Sentinel, Rels, Trfel, GlowingBear, LightningStrikeTrfel: (3) LightningStrike, GlowingBear , Rels, Vivax, KelsierSC GlowingBear: (1) Chezinu ShoCkeyy: (1) Palmar Palmar: (1) ShoCkeyy Holyflare: (0) Rels, KelsierSC, GlowingBear, LightningStrike, GlowingBear[UoN]Sentinel: (0) Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, Vivax, GlowingBear , KelsierSCRels: (0) GlowingBearKelsierSC is set to die with 5 votesThe deadline for the day is Friday, Mar 27 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in
VOTE THREAD HERE (CLICK ME) Assuming Trfel flips town and knowing my alignment mafia might of had of laughed their asses and could bury themselves in either wagon unless you think a mafia is one of the solo voters then the partner would have to be on one of the wagons EoD.
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On March 28 2020 09:43 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2020 03:02 Tubesock wrote:Day 1 of quarantine Final Votes KelsierSC: (5) Holyflare, Palmar, [UoN]Sentinel, Rels, Trfel, GlowingBear, LightningStrikeTrfel: (3) LightningStrike, GlowingBear , Rels, Vivax, KelsierSC GlowingBear: (1) Chezinu ShoCkeyy: (1) Palmar Palmar: (1) ShoCkeyy Holyflare: (0) Rels, KelsierSC, GlowingBear, LightningStrike, GlowingBear[UoN]Sentinel: (0) Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, Vivax, GlowingBear , KelsierSCRels: (0) GlowingBearKelsierSC is set to die with 5 votesThe deadline for the day is Friday, Mar 27 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in
VOTE THREAD HERE (CLICK ME) Assuming Trfel flips town and knowing my alignment mafia might of had laughed their asses and could bury themselves in either wagon unless you think a mafia is one of the solo voters then the partner would have to be on one of the wagons EoD.
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Seriously noone commented on that stuff since I posted it 2 hours ago? Jesus dead thread
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Do you think Mafia had a field day there at Day 1 or no?
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On March 28 2020 12:42 ShoCkeyy wrote: Of course, town died day 1. Makes the game so much harder for us, and easier for them. Do you think Trfel is town based on his play and EoD stuff?
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On March 28 2020 13:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2020 12:47 LightningStrike wrote:On March 28 2020 12:42 ShoCkeyy wrote: Of course, town died day 1. Makes the game so much harder for us, and easier for them. Do you think Trfel is town based on his play and EoD stuff? He mostly questioned me which I answered hopefully all the questions. He did seem interested in the way I was thinking and why I was thinking. I don't however think it makes him town just yet. He was still in the same boat with one of the other people I think are mafia. It makes it rough to see his alignments just yet because he did make a play on Palmar who's my next guest as mafia. And if Trfel is mafia, he would try and play the Palmar card to try and get another target lynched. I'm still holding back on whether to call him town or mafia yet. Noted.
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Just woke up:
On March 28 2020 14:13 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2020 13:36 LightningStrike wrote:On March 28 2020 13:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 28 2020 12:47 LightningStrike wrote:On March 28 2020 12:42 ShoCkeyy wrote: Of course, town died day 1. Makes the game so much harder for us, and easier for them. Do you think Trfel is town based on his play and EoD stuff? He mostly questioned me which I answered hopefully all the questions. He did seem interested in the way I was thinking and why I was thinking. I don't however think it makes him town just yet. He was still in the same boat with one of the other people I think are mafia. It makes it rough to see his alignments just yet because he did make a play on Palmar who's my next guest as mafia. And if Trfel is mafia, he would try and play the Palmar card to try and get another target lynched. I'm still holding back on whether to call him town or mafia yet. Noted. What are your thoughts on Vivax recent posts? and HF recent post about how GB caused the death of KSC? Vivax's latest posts were a bit weird honestly can easily he wasn't reading the thread. The reason GB swap to KSC from HF was because he thought Trfel was town EoD like I did even if it meant he was voting with his scumread and yes I know he called KSC town too like I did as well.
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Still noone commented on this?
On March 28 2020 09:44 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2020 09:43 LightningStrike wrote:On March 28 2020 03:02 Tubesock wrote:Day 1 of quarantine Final Votes KelsierSC: (5) Holyflare, Palmar, [UoN]Sentinel, Rels, Trfel, GlowingBear, LightningStrikeTrfel: (3) LightningStrike, GlowingBear , Rels, Vivax, KelsierSC GlowingBear: (1) Chezinu ShoCkeyy: (1) Palmar Palmar: (1) ShoCkeyy Holyflare: (0) Rels, KelsierSC, GlowingBear, LightningStrike, GlowingBear[UoN]Sentinel: (0) Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, Vivax, GlowingBear , KelsierSCRels: (0) GlowingBearKelsierSC is set to die with 5 votesThe deadline for the day is Friday, Mar 27 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in
VOTE THREAD HERE (CLICK ME) Assuming Trfel flips town and knowing my alignment mafia might of had laughed their asses and could bury themselves in either wagon unless you think a mafia is one of the solo voters then the partner would have to be on one of the wagons EoD. Kinda depressed about that
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On March 28 2020 22:16 GlowingBear wrote: I will explain myself but I won't defend myself. There are reasons why I wouldn't do this as Mafia but you'll have to figure it out by yourselves.
I thought Trfel's post near deadline was town, I believed him being upset about always being lynched Day1 was genuine, I saw effort that I didn't believe he would do as Mafia, and I have a vague memory of him not taking strong stances before.
My top scum read also didn't care for having Trfel lynched, so he basically doesn't care for the lynch. Which would probably make both wagons town.
I switched because I saw posts from Trfel that looked townie and the only other possible wagon was Kelsier's. It was impulsive and thinking about it now, it was bad. No need to defend yourself I think you are town just a very bad EoD for us though.
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On March 29 2020 01:30 Palmar wrote: I haven't reevaluated anything really, but I stand by my reads.
I moved away from KSC because he didn't really sound like mafia, it was just a policy lynch. So why didn't you try to yell at people to lynch shockeyy at EoD if you really thought shockeyy was scum?
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On March 29 2020 02:13 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2020 01:55 LightningStrike wrote:Still noone commented on this? On March 28 2020 09:44 LightningStrike wrote:On March 28 2020 09:43 LightningStrike wrote:On March 28 2020 03:02 Tubesock wrote:Day 1 of quarantine Final Votes KelsierSC: (5) Holyflare, Palmar, [UoN]Sentinel, Rels, Trfel, GlowingBear, LightningStrikeTrfel: (3) LightningStrike, GlowingBear , Rels, Vivax, KelsierSC GlowingBear: (1) Chezinu ShoCkeyy: (1) Palmar Palmar: (1) ShoCkeyy Holyflare: (0) Rels, KelsierSC, GlowingBear, LightningStrike, GlowingBear[UoN]Sentinel: (0) Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, Vivax, GlowingBear , KelsierSCRels: (0) GlowingBearKelsierSC is set to die with 5 votesThe deadline for the day is Friday, Mar 27 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in
VOTE THREAD HERE (CLICK ME) Assuming Trfel flips town and knowing my alignment mafia might of had laughed their asses and could bury themselves in either wagon unless you think a mafia is one of the solo voters then the partner would have to be on one of the wagons EoD. Kinda depressed about that  It depends on each player's meta if mafia is inside or outside the main wagons. If it was me, I would take the erratic route and keep my vote on Holyflare and tunnel him, regardless if my partner is under attack or no, because it will be easy for me to survive (I'll never be top town, so if I don't die, they won't throw suspicions at me / I'll never be top scum because I didn't try to save my partner if he is one of the main wagons). In my opinion, vote analysis per se won't help us. What could help us is to try to understand how mafia would act in a 9 v 2 game. A perfect match for them would be: 7v2 / 5v2 / 3v2. Three myslinches without dying. It's not easy if town is organized. They can't have suspicions thrown at them either, because they need to survive and they don't have a partner to "spare", to be totally erratic. So Mafia needs to keep disorganizing town and manipulate information in thread, without really compromising themselves. I expect at least one mafia to do that. They will use their perfect information to play a very logic game. Unfortunately, many townies are fitting this perspective. But two people in particular stands out for me, which is Holyflare and Vivax. Holyflare for the reasons I've already said here. It's way too obvious for me. He's been selective, manipulative, and I don't believe he is trying to actually solve the game. Vivax because he has been under the radar, playing a very safe game, and at the moment he could throw suspicions at me, he did. It fits mafia perspective very well. Also, I remember Vivax been very paranoid and erratic as town. He would think everything is scummy, jumping on every person. This Vivax calls me out for "shitting the thread" without actually commenting on what I've said about Holyflare while assuming Holyflare is town (he would never give Holyflare a pass). Just as last game. Also, see that Holyflare never said a thing about Vivax. I've asked him what he thinks about Vivax, but he ignored. It's hard to talk about key people when you have perfect information. A team of Vivax and Holyflare is very possible. But I don't want to talk about teams because it would be unflipped association. I am scumreading both for their play alone. [/red][/red] Good points about how mafia would act in a 9v2 vs a normal setup. Ya Vivax isn't as paranoid this game as he normally is as town and clearly didn't read the thread much at all when he called you out when fi he had looked at EoD he would clearly see why you swapped (and for that matter why I also swapped). HF is definitely looking worse that lynch on KSC based on the fact he made the case on KSC and pushed him.
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On March 29 2020 02:36 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2020 02:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 29 2020 02:13 GlowingBear wrote:On March 29 2020 01:55 LightningStrike wrote:Still noone commented on this? On March 28 2020 09:44 LightningStrike wrote:On March 28 2020 09:43 LightningStrike wrote:On March 28 2020 03:02 Tubesock wrote:Day 1 of quarantine Final Votes KelsierSC: (5) Holyflare, Palmar, [UoN]Sentinel, Rels, Trfel, GlowingBear, LightningStrikeTrfel: (3) LightningStrike, GlowingBear , Rels, Vivax, KelsierSC GlowingBear: (1) Chezinu ShoCkeyy: (1) Palmar Palmar: (1) ShoCkeyy Holyflare: (0) Rels, KelsierSC, GlowingBear, LightningStrike, GlowingBear[UoN]Sentinel: (0) Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, Vivax, GlowingBear , KelsierSCRels: (0) GlowingBearKelsierSC is set to die with 5 votesThe deadline for the day is Friday, Mar 27 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in
VOTE THREAD HERE (CLICK ME) Assuming Trfel flips town and knowing my alignment mafia might of had laughed their asses and could bury themselves in either wagon unless you think a mafia is one of the solo voters then the partner would have to be on one of the wagons EoD. Kinda depressed about that  It depends on each player's meta if mafia is inside or outside the main wagons. If it was me, I would take the erratic route and keep my vote on Holyflare and tunnel him, regardless if my partner is under attack or no, because it will be easy for me to survive (I'll never be top town, so if I don't die, they won't throw suspicions at me / I'll never be top scum because I didn't try to save my partner if he is one of the main wagons). In my opinion, vote analysis per se won't help us. What could help us is to try to understand how mafia would act in a 9 v 2 game. A perfect match for them would be: 7v2 / 5v2 / 3v2. Three myslinches without dying. It's not easy if town is organized. They can't have suspicions thrown at them either, because they need to survive and they don't have a partner to "spare", to be totally erratic. So Mafia needs to keep disorganizing town and manipulate information in thread, without really compromising themselves. I expect at least one mafia to do that. They will use their perfect information to play a very logic game. Unfortunately, many townies are fitting this perspective. But two people in particular stands out for me, which is Holyflare and Vivax. Holyflare for the reasons I've already said here. It's way too obvious for me. He's been selective, manipulative, and I don't believe he is trying to actually solve the game. Vivax because he has been under the radar, playing a very safe game, and at the moment he could throw suspicions at me, he did. It fits mafia perspective very well. Also, I remember Vivax been very paranoid and erratic as town. He would think everything is scummy, jumping on every person. This Vivax calls me out for "shitting the thread" without actually commenting on what I've said about Holyflare while assuming Holyflare is town (he would never give Holyflare a pass). Just as last game. Also, see that Holyflare never said a thing about Vivax. I've asked him what he thinks about Vivax, but he ignored. It's hard to talk about key people when you have perfect information. A team of Vivax and Holyflare is very possible. But I don't want to talk about teams because it would be unflipped association. I am scumreading both for their play alone. Good points about how mafia would act in a 9v2 vs a normal setup. Ya Vivax isn't as paranoid this game as he normally is as town and clearly didn't read the thread much at all when he called you out when fi he had looked at EoD he would clearly see why you swapped (and for that matter why I also swapped). HF is definitely looking worse that lynch on KSC based on the fact he made the case on KSC and pushed him. Exactly. I was upset when he called me out, it's very frustrating playing a game where I believe Holyflare is mafia but people don't want to consider it just because he is a high profile player. I've lost countless games to this thinking. I even lost a game where I flipped cop and had a red check on him, and people didn't lynch him because they thought he was a miller. It's frustrating. Anyway, took my time off the game and I'm not upset anymore. And analyzing Vivax reaction to me, it feels extremely fake. I'm confident he is mafia. [/red][/red] Sorry about that I was the one who threw that game that you speaking about regarding that cop check. As for why I didn't switch to HF: I didn't think we had the people do it at EoD to do it without lynching Trfel. Vivax might be mafia it will be more apparent if he is as the game progresses since he doesn't post much as scum later in the game.
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On March 29 2020 02:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2020 02:00 LightningStrike wrote:On March 29 2020 01:30 Palmar wrote: I haven't reevaluated anything really, but I stand by my reads.
I moved away from KSC because he didn't really sound like mafia, it was just a policy lynch. So why didn't you try to yell at people to lynch shockeyy at EoD if you really thought shockeyy was scum? I told people to lynch him and gave reasons. I also wasn't here at the deadline or anywhere near it really. I knew you gave the reasons to lynch Shcokeyy although I don't think he's scum but I guess I can believe you just weren't there for EoD. EoN is 20 minutes from now.
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On March 29 2020 02:52 GlowingBear wrote: Btw, I believe HF and Rels can't be Mafia together. Just saying. Agreed honestly.
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On March 29 2020 02:45 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2020 02:39 LightningStrike wrote:On March 29 2020 02:36 GlowingBear wrote:On March 29 2020 02:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 29 2020 02:13 GlowingBear wrote:On March 29 2020 01:55 LightningStrike wrote:Still noone commented on this? On March 28 2020 09:44 LightningStrike wrote:On March 28 2020 09:43 LightningStrike wrote:On March 28 2020 03:02 Tubesock wrote:Day 1 of quarantine Final Votes KelsierSC: (5) Holyflare, Palmar, [UoN]Sentinel, Rels, Trfel, GlowingBear, LightningStrikeTrfel: (3) LightningStrike, GlowingBear , Rels, Vivax, KelsierSC GlowingBear: (1) Chezinu ShoCkeyy: (1) Palmar Palmar: (1) ShoCkeyy Holyflare: (0) Rels, KelsierSC, GlowingBear, LightningStrike, GlowingBear[UoN]Sentinel: (0) Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, Vivax, GlowingBear , KelsierSCRels: (0) GlowingBearKelsierSC is set to die with 5 votesThe deadline for the day is Friday, Mar 27 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in
VOTE THREAD HERE (CLICK ME) Assuming Trfel flips town and knowing my alignment mafia might of had laughed their asses and could bury themselves in either wagon unless you think a mafia is one of the solo voters then the partner would have to be on one of the wagons EoD. Kinda depressed about that  It depends on each player's meta if mafia is inside or outside the main wagons. If it was me, I would take the erratic route and keep my vote on Holyflare and tunnel him, regardless if my partner is under attack or no, because it will be easy for me to survive (I'll never be top town, so if I don't die, they won't throw suspicions at me / I'll never be top scum because I didn't try to save my partner if he is one of the main wagons). In my opinion, vote analysis per se won't help us. What could help us is to try to understand how mafia would act in a 9 v 2 game. A perfect match for them would be: 7v2 / 5v2 / 3v2. Three myslinches without dying. It's not easy if town is organized. They can't have suspicions thrown at them either, because they need to survive and they don't have a partner to "spare", to be totally erratic. So Mafia needs to keep disorganizing town and manipulate information in thread, without really compromising themselves. I expect at least one mafia to do that. They will use their perfect information to play a very logic game. Unfortunately, many townies are fitting this perspective. But two people in particular stands out for me, which is Holyflare and Vivax. Holyflare for the reasons I've already said here. It's way too obvious for me. He's been selective, manipulative, and I don't believe he is trying to actually solve the game. Vivax because he has been under the radar, playing a very safe game, and at the moment he could throw suspicions at me, he did. It fits mafia perspective very well. Also, I remember Vivax been very paranoid and erratic as town. He would think everything is scummy, jumping on every person. This Vivax calls me out for "shitting the thread" without actually commenting on what I've said about Holyflare while assuming Holyflare is town (he would never give Holyflare a pass). Just as last game. Also, see that Holyflare never said a thing about Vivax. I've asked him what he thinks about Vivax, but he ignored. It's hard to talk about key people when you have perfect information. A team of Vivax and Holyflare is very possible. But I don't want to talk about teams because it would be unflipped association. I am scumreading both for their play alone. Good points about how mafia would act in a 9v2 vs a normal setup. Ya Vivax isn't as paranoid this game as he normally is as town and clearly didn't read the thread much at all when he called you out when fi he had looked at EoD he would clearly see why you swapped (and for that matter why I also swapped). HF is definitely looking worse that lynch on KSC based on the fact he made the case on KSC and pushed him. Exactly. I was upset when he called me out, it's very frustrating playing a game where I believe Holyflare is mafia but people don't want to consider it just because he is a high profile player. I've lost countless games to this thinking. I even lost a game where I flipped cop and had a red check on him, and people didn't lynch him because they thought he was a miller. It's frustrating. Anyway, took my time off the game and I'm not upset anymore. And analyzing Vivax reaction to me, it feels extremely fake. I'm confident he is mafia. Sorry about that I was the one who threw that game that you speaking about regarding that cop check. As for why I didn't switch to HF: I didn't think we had the people do it at EoD to do it without lynching Trfel. Vivax might be mafia it will be more apparent if he is as the game progresses since he doesn't post much as scum later in the game. Don't be sorry, I've just used it as an example of how this thing keeps repeating here. I've switched off of Holyflare because we didn't have enough people convinced to lynch him. We have at least 1 townie wasting vote, so town just needs to step up and be organize. It's hard to do when town isn't playing True about at least 1 townie is wasting their vote and town needs to step up and be organized but tow isn't playing like you said. the votes I saw was 3-3-3 with trfel being lynched so I had to switch KSC myself otherwise I would of prefered a HF EoD lynch there honestly.
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