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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 02 2020 19:41 GMT
#1301
Basically i didn't think mafia!Trfel would tunnel Palmar all game because it's a bad thing to do as mafia if Palmar is town. But hey, look what happened! I guess i was semi-right lol.
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 02 2020 19:46 GMT
#1302
On April 03 2020 04:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2020 04:22 Rels wrote:
On April 03 2020 03:44 LightningStrike wrote:
I just remembered now: Rels we are 7/9 as the same alignment :o

really? That's pretty lucky :p

Yes really it's in the database.

I can think of 3 though I think?
- The millionaire game where you were scum and got DF and I to hard townread you and fight each other to the death
- The game where I was scum with HF and I pushed you hard at some point
- The end of the world where I was scum mason and I buddied you in the QT
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 02 2020 19:47 GMT
#1303
On April 03 2020 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Should have trusted the only correct way to read Trfel btw... I said this some point during D1:
Show nested quote +
3:46 PM raynpelikoneet!:
[...]
Trfel - I dont think Trfel would call out Palmar like he did in case he was mafia because it doesn't make any sense, unless Kelsier is mafia, but then again, if he is mafia with Kelsier he would have easier and better targets than Palmar. Only thing that bugs me is that he hasn't done the town!Trfel thing that he does in most of his games and pretty early.

I wouldn't have lynched Trfel if i was in the game properly with the information i had so gj guys.

now I'm curious about that thing, but I suppose you will want to keep it for potential later games :p
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 02 2020 20:04 GMT
#1304
It is when he says something really smart and then immediately after second guesses himself and it feels like he genuinely feels bad about what he first said lol. I have already told this to him before it's just impossible to fake.
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 02 2020 20:06 GMT
#1305
On April 03 2020 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It is when he says something really smart and then immediately after second guesses himself and it feels like he genuinely feels bad about what he first said lol. I have already told this to him before it's just impossible to fake.

Yeah I know what you mean! The second guessings and doubts and apologies
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 02 2020 20:15 GMT
#1306
holy shit rels. had you just made the case on trfel and not posted some shit sentinel said i would have known trfel is mafia. i didnt even remember i said that just before i decided you had to be mafia when re-reading.... so it's your fault i was bad.

i sent you the logs in PM.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 02 2020 20:17 GMT
#1307
To be fair, Rels not making the case isn't anything relevant

But okay.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 02 2020 20:18 GMT
#1308
On April 03 2020 04:46 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2020 04:31 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 03 2020 04:22 Rels wrote:
On April 03 2020 03:44 LightningStrike wrote:
I just remembered now: Rels we are 7/9 as the same alignment :o

really? That's pretty lucky :p

Yes really it's in the database.

I can think of 3 though I think?
- The millionaire game where you were scum and got DF and I to hard townread you and fight each other to the death
- The game where I was scum with HF and I pushed you hard at some point
- The end of the world where I was scum mason and I buddied you in the QT

Those were times weren't the same alignment. we are 7/9 as the same alignment.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 02 2020 20:21 GMT
#1309
On April 03 2020 05:17 GlowingBear wrote:
To be fair, Rels not making the case isn't anything relevant

But okay.

I wanted to sheep Chez

as I was writing to Rels why I agreed with it I stopped agreeing with it.

Which is why my next post was the top level page count analysis.

Computer says mafia
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 02 2020 20:25 GMT
#1310
Palmar you instantly thought I was mafia, why? :D
Life?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 02 2020 20:26 GMT
#1311
On April 03 2020 05:17 GlowingBear wrote:
To be fair, Rels not making the case isn't anything relevant

But okay.

My assessment is that especially when there is only one mafia left, if there is a person looking like they are sure someone is mafia, they would want to be proud and happy to present the reasons (especially after saying they have a big case aka a lot of reasons) why the said last mafia is mafia. Instead of going like "heyyyy! this game is over this dude is scum because 1,2,3,4 etc..." what Rels did was that he took some Sentinel's posts (what some mafia dude said pretty much never makes anyone anything, because mafia can say anything they want about townies/scumbuddies and it's all wifom.

When i read Rels' "case" i was like, "really dude, how about something Trfel posted and not someone else"? Furthermore the "what Trfel posted" never happened after. It is at best terrible town play imo, and i think i would lynch that kind of play 100 times out of 100 even if i know townies can do that. Also instead of doing what he promised (case), he defended with something like "it's not a good play for me as mafia to blablabla..." which is bullshit, just like you calling yourself the towniest town ever after you were almost lynched and your vote didn't mean shit tbh..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 02 2020 20:28 GMT
#1312
Also the "waiting for Palmar" was really weird imo because if Palmar is town he will 100% vote for Sentinel there and if Palmar is mafia why the fuck are you waiting for Palmar? :D
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 02 2020 20:30 GMT
#1313
On April 03 2020 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
holy shit rels. had you just made the case on trfel and not posted some shit sentinel said i would have known trfel is mafia. i didnt even remember i said that just before i decided you had to be mafia when re-reading.... so it's your fault i was bad.

no u! It was in my filter I just didn't take the time to rewrite it as a proper case. And the game didn't need it TBH
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 28 2020 02:50 Rels wrote:
Trfel I'm very sorry if you're town. Because I'm going to say another thing that I find scummy about you, and I don't want you to feel bad if you're town. I know I could be bias confirming ...

The way you're talking about your scumreads is so sure, when I thought you were a very doubtful person. So that's something that makes me think you're scum too.

On March 28 2020 02:51 Rels wrote:
Like in these 2, you're so sure that KSC is scum, and that Palmar is scum:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2020 02:27 Trfel wrote:
I'm so sick of getting killed Day 1 for nonsense, garbage reasons, it happened the last two games.

Yet again, no one has responded to the actual thoughts I've been sharing, people are picking on meaningless semantics.

And there's a ridiculously scummy person (KelsierSC) who definitely deserves to be killed but no one cares. He "redeemed himself" with a single post that contained actual thinking:

On March 27 2020 20:14 KelsierSC wrote:
Trfel

Not a huge amount to write about him that hasn't been said. I think agreeing with HF isn't scummy it's a lot of writing with quotes and everything. The part I don't like is how he throws on some additional fire that actually says nothing about my alignment. feels like this is added on so it doesn't look like a blatant sheep

These don't line up. I get that agreeing with someone's reads and reading them as town are different things, but in this case KelsierSC didn't like LightningStrike's logic or read results and never mentioned a positive thing. Just read the posts yourself, I still don't understand AT ALL how KelsierSC decided to townread LightningStrike there. There was nothing about the conversation that "felt ok."


I think his palmar case is ok but I don't recall Palmar being good on D1 but his point about it not being a weekend has merit and palmar's lack of direction is a fair comment. I do like his comment about palmar being an unlikely D1 lynch so vote me instead, that's a pretty town mindset.

Finally he made some non commital stuff about sentinel , scum lean but holding back.

I think trefl is good enough for a D1 pass.

I was never non-comittal about [UoN]Sentinel, I never said he was a scum lean. I never said I was holding back. I said I wanted to wait for more information and see how his play evolved, which made sense given the circumstance.

In this post KelsierSC even says that my two main pushes/scumreads, comprising the majority of my play this game, are both ok. Yet he still thinks I'm mafia. He's picking on semantics, making up reasons, and has absolutely NOT redeemed his earlier play.


Show nested quote +
On March 28 2020 02:47 Trfel wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:42 Rels wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:34 Trfel wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:31 Rels wrote:
Trfel I read everything you wrote and I've responded to you:
On March 27 2020 12:43 Rels wrote:
Trfel the more I read your Palmar case the more I think you're mafia. It's just too on the nose. You're very smart, but your reasonning is so focused on a surface level it doesn't match. Like this:
On March 27 2020 09:54 Trfel wrote:
Palmar doesn't care about who gets lynched. From town perspective this makes no sense. To me it feels like he's just interested in surviving and is disinterested otherwise, or that KelsierSC is town and Palmar is trying to set up extra mislynches.

I don't see you believing this. It's too obvious - of course Palmar's play is disinterested, if you want to push him it's because you want to warn him of doing something or die or something like that. I have a hard time believing that you really think he slipped up and was too carefree in his posts ...
Rels, I don't really understand what you're saying here. You're saying I'm mafia because my case on Palmar is too simple? Like the reasoning is too obvious?

Why can't a simple reason make someone mafia? I've found it's so easy to overthink things while simple reads are often overlooked and tend to be right.

it's not that it's only simple, it's that it's simple and wrong. Palmar being carefree early in the game doesn't mean anything. But you made a big deal out of it. It doesn't match what I expect of you
I wouldn't use the word carefree, I'd just say he's not invested at all. Since when do we give players a free pass for doing absolutely nothing and not even wanting to see their scumreads lynched?

Note that Palmar even changed his play after I called him out on it! He went ahead and voted for ShoCkeyy, his top scum read, after all. And is now sitting off of the main wagons. If this isn't scummy I don't know what is.

so that's it? You solved the game D1 already?

On March 30 2020 02:19 Rels wrote:
even the tone is not like what I would expect from town!Trfel. You're good at meta right, don't you agree?

I expect him to be sorry to play bad when he's pushed, and to be doubtful of his reads. It's been a while since I've played with him, but he was like that last game he's played too, I've read his filter. Here in this game, he's not apologetic, more angry, and he's super sure of his reads.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 02 2020 20:35 GMT
#1314
On April 03 2020 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2020 05:17 GlowingBear wrote:
To be fair, Rels not making the case isn't anything relevant

But okay.

My assessment is that especially when there is only one mafia left, if there is a person looking like they are sure someone is mafia, they would want to be proud and happy to present the reasons (especially after saying they have a big case aka a lot of reasons) why the said last mafia is mafia. Instead of going like "heyyyy! this game is over this dude is scum because 1,2,3,4 etc..." what Rels did was that he took some Sentinel's posts (what some mafia dude said pretty much never makes anyone anything, because mafia can say anything they want about townies/scumbuddies and it's all wifom.

When i read Rels' "case" i was like, "really dude, how about something Trfel posted and not someone else"? Furthermore the "what Trfel posted" never happened after. It is at best terrible town play imo, and i think i would lynch that kind of play 100 times out of 100 even if i know townies can do that. Also instead of doing what he promised (case), he defended with something like "it's not a good play for me as mafia to blablabla..." which is bullshit, just like you calling yourself the towniest town ever after you were almost lynched and your vote didn't mean shit tbh..


I disagree and I said in-game why. I understand what you're saying, I even voted Rels because of that too, but if you think about it, it's not really a strong reason to lynch someone solely because of it. Especially when Trfel made something even worse.

I almost got lynched because one vote was from Holyflare, the other one was from Mafia, and finally, the last one was from Chez who decided I was mafia because I said he scum claimed on the first page of day1 lol.

I guess I'll listen to Vivax more often
I'm adorable.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 02 2020 20:36 GMT
#1315
You're right Rels, and you were right and that's a pretty much slam dunk case on Trfel tbh. Why didn't you repost that saying here is my case instead of:
On April 01 2020 08:46 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2020 06:13 Chezinu wrote:
Look and behold, I saw a bright beam of light. I gazed at it's frequency and felt the vibrations that hummed:

Rels wanted to lynch Trfel over Sentinel, waited for Palmar, Palmar said nothing new to what he said before.
Rels promised to write a case on Trfel. He didn't follow up, and after Sentinel flip the only case he provided is reasoned on because Sentinel was mafia.
ggnore

I did promise a case lol, that's actually a good town meta tell for me I would have done it 100% as scum. I would have gotten a Trfel lynch easy as scum in this game lol

????

I dont remember reading those posts of yours so i am sorry i thought you were mafia because you were easily the first townread i had.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 02 2020 20:42 GMT
#1316
On April 03 2020 05:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2020 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 03 2020 05:17 GlowingBear wrote:
To be fair, Rels not making the case isn't anything relevant

But okay.

My assessment is that especially when there is only one mafia left, if there is a person looking like they are sure someone is mafia, they would want to be proud and happy to present the reasons (especially after saying they have a big case aka a lot of reasons) why the said last mafia is mafia. Instead of going like "heyyyy! this game is over this dude is scum because 1,2,3,4 etc..." what Rels did was that he took some Sentinel's posts (what some mafia dude said pretty much never makes anyone anything, because mafia can say anything they want about townies/scumbuddies and it's all wifom.

When i read Rels' "case" i was like, "really dude, how about something Trfel posted and not someone else"? Furthermore the "what Trfel posted" never happened after. It is at best terrible town play imo, and i think i would lynch that kind of play 100 times out of 100 even if i know townies can do that. Also instead of doing what he promised (case), he defended with something like "it's not a good play for me as mafia to blablabla..." which is bullshit, just like you calling yourself the towniest town ever after you were almost lynched and your vote didn't mean shit tbh..


I disagree and I said in-game why. I understand what you're saying, I even voted Rels because of that too, but if you think about it, it's not really a strong reason to lynch someone solely because of it. Especially when Trfel made something even worse.

Maybe not in mini-games. I understand you, but when i play mafia and i am town i hate wasting my game on lynching random lurkers because they are most likely to be mafia (what Palmar said D1 about "how to play mafia as town" kinda thing). Also Palmar is wrong about me complaining that "mafia played like mafia", that's never what i said after the big game, i just dont find it a good use of my time when 20 people are not playing properly to lynch them in random order just to not to get play and argue properly and then get killed. Well that's why i don't play mafia anymore, i think it is a waste of time when there are people who don't play, or when the game is good people get themselves modkilled.

I almost got lynched because one vote was from Holyflare, the other one was from Mafia, and finally, the last one was from Chez who decided I was mafia because I said he scum claimed on the first page of day1 lol.

I guess I'll listen to Vivax more often

Yeah that was a really dumb post of yours, but that's not why either of us scumread you. Not scummy, just incredibly dumb and NAI.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 02 2020 20:48 GMT
#1317
For the record i told Chezinu that we should vote for Sentinel on D2.

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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 02 2020 20:51 GMT
#1318
lol rayn, if Chez didn't tell you you were scum, it would have been epic
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
April 02 2020 20:51 GMT
#1319
Guys,

I think the troll checks could have been an April fools joke.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
April 02 2020 20:52 GMT
#1320
On April 03 2020 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record i told Chezinu that we should vote for Sentinel on D2.


True. It was in my filter.
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