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Jesus Christ this game is BOOOORING
Are you really under quarantine?
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On March 27 2020 03:56 GlowingBear wrote:
Here's where I'm at:
LS
LS is difficult to read but I have a feeling he is town, mostly because he seems interested in the game.
Palmar
He seems relaxed and having fun. He is also pushing who he thinks is mafia. Passable play.
KelsierSC
Had the same reaction I had on Holyflare's case. I can get behind his logic, even if he is overreacting.
Holyflare
Builds a whole case focusing on Kelsier but is voting Sentinel. His case seems constructed. I don't see him actively trying to solve the whole game, attacking relevant posts. Way too focused on an easy lynch. Not really how I expect him to play as town.
Trfel
Last post is veeeery very non-committal. Also, agrees with Holyflare on Sentinel but says he doesn't understand his case. Still not voting Sentinel.
Sentinel
Lynching himself makes no sense as town.
I'm not sure about Rels. Although I think he is not really taking strong stances, he is reacting accordingly to what is being posted on the thread. I wouldn't lynch him day1.
Chezinu is unreadable.
Vivax is tunneled on Sentinel on weak grounds. The only reason this is not a scum lean is because Vivax tends be like this as town too. @Vivax, what do you think of the other players?
I find Shockey unreadable at this point. Last time I've played with him, he seemed mafia as hell. Turns out he was town.
UPDATING:
Here's where I'm at:
[green]Palmar
He seems relaxed and having fun. He is also pushing who he thinks is mafia. Passable play.
[green]KelsierSC
Had the same reaction I had on Holyflare's case. I can get behind his logic, even if he is overreacting.
LS
LS I said LS is difficult to read, and he is. But he only said that Holyflare rubbed him wrong after I decided to vote him, sheeping me. Then, when I realized I was wrong, he kept his vote on him for a flimsy reason. When I asked him who could be the second mafia, he promptly refused to contribute, saying that he tries not to build teams. Feeling under pressure, gets out of the thread saying he has a lecture (at 17:15 rofl). His list of reads is just nulls and towns, only Holyflare is mafia. I think he is taking every easy way out, as a mafia under pressure would do.
Trfel
One of his posts was veeeery very non-committal. Says Kelsier is mafia but is not willing to vote him yet. Why?
Sentinel
Lynching himself makes no sense as town. He's not playing the game. I'd rather have a scummy lurker lynched over anyone else. And he is fitting this cathegory.
Holyflare
I still do not like Holyflare in this game. He seems uninterested and his posts seems constructed. Since my main reason to scumread him was wrong, I moved him to null to further investigate.
I'm not sure about Rels. Although I think he is not really taking strong stances, he is reacting accordingly to what is being posted on the thread. I wouldn't lynch him day1.
Chezinu is unreadable.
Vivax is tunneled on Sentinel on weak grounds. The only reason this is not a scum lean is because Vivax tends be like this as town too.
I find Shockey unreadable at this point. Last time I've played with him, he seemed mafia as hell. Turns out he was town. I still think like this.
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On March 27 2020 06:58 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 06:46 GlowingBear wrote:On March 27 2020 06:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
No, why start two wagons and then push/vote the one that seems most likely to get a wagon going? Like personally I understand the situation Sent is in, GB you've always thought my play style is anti town, but is it? I think when a townie panics like the one Sent is in, they tend to lean anti town.
I still prefer HF being scum here than Sent. Palmar and Trfel seem to agree with everything HF has to say which is odd from both of them. Following your logic, if HF is scum, one between Trfel and Palmar is necessarily town. So agreeing with HF like they're doing isn't a scum trait. Therefore, irrelevant per se. Sentinel is a veteran in mafia. I don't think he would panic like this. ESPECIALLY day 1 with only one vote on him. It doesn't make sense. Well I did make that statement before but I forgot to who. That either Palmar or HF are scum. Also yes, I'm home from here on out, but I'm still busy with work, trying to respond whenever I can 
But I don't understand why would you think either one would be scum in that situation. Care to explain further?
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Now I'm really taking a time off. See ya.
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On March 27 2020 07:21 Chezinu wrote:
Teddy made me sad. He speaked against The King.
Punish me daddy
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On March 27 2020 07:08 LightningStrike wrote:Back from lecture: Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 06:18 GlowingBear wrote:On March 27 2020 06:17 LightningStrike wrote:On March 27 2020 06:14 GlowingBear wrote:On March 27 2020 06:11 LightningStrike wrote:On March 27 2020 06:10 GlowingBear wrote:On March 27 2020 06:09 LightningStrike wrote:On March 27 2020 06:08 GlowingBear wrote:On March 27 2020 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:On March 27 2020 06:02 GlowingBear wrote:
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I didn't understand your point.
His tone towards Sent in that post about why KSC should be 100% mafia for him felt very off to me and usually indicates someone is scum. I actually do understand the logic behind it, but I don't agree with it. I don't believe this is the reason someone could think Holyflare is scum. We can agree to disagree on that point. We can  But knowing that holyflare is in fact voting kelsier doesn't make you feel less confident he is scum? Only slighty if anything but I still there is a high chance he will flip scum. Hmm. And who's probably mafia with him? idk who his partner would be tbh. I don't think of possible teams this early anyways. You don't have to make unflipepd association. We all know there are two mafia here. You've got one. Who would be the second one if you had to choose today? If I really have to stab now maybe Palmar? I don't think he normally sheeps this hard Day 1 as town. Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 06:46 GlowingBear wrote:On March 27 2020 06:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
No, why start two wagons and then push/vote the one that seems most likely to get a wagon going? Like personally I understand the situation Sent is in, GB you've always thought my play style is anti town, but is it? I think when a townie panics like the one Sent is in, they tend to lean anti town.
I still prefer HF being scum here than Sent. Palmar and Trfel seem to agree with everything HF has to say which is odd from both of them. Following your logic, if HF is scum, one between Trfel and Palmar is necessarily town. So agreeing with HF like they're doing isn't a scum trait. Therefore, irrelevant per se. Sentinel is a veteran in mafia. I don't think he would panic like this. ESPECIALLY day 1 with only one vote on him. It doesn't make sense. The bolded I had done plenty of times even when I became a veteran in mafia I don't think that necessary would make Sent scum.
He isn't playing. I have no reason to keep Sentinel in the game.
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On March 27 2020 06:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
No, why start two wagons and then push/vote the one that seems most likely to get a wagon going? Like personally I understand the situation Sent is in, GB you've always thought my play style is anti town, but is it? I think when a townie panics like the one Sent is in, they tend to lean anti town.
I still prefer HF being scum here than Sent. Palmar and Trfel seem to agree with everything HF has to say which is odd from both of them.
If both Kelsier and Sentinel are town, you're 100% town for this post
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On March 27 2020 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:
And yes I really did have lecture for my bio chem lab and had to prepare for it 15 minutes in advance and only ended shortly before I posted.
I believe you had class, I don't believe you had to storm out.
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On March 27 2020 08:46 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote:
and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game. Mafia have three main objectives: - Blend
- Sew discontent
- Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems:
1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad.
2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them.
3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee. On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
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Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about? I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case. On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted.
LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache.
the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny. Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible. Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway". Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons. Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these. On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer
Coughing Boomer
American Doctor
8x Healthy Boomer fixed This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting. Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least. you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts? lul x2 Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions. On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read. Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta. On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads. On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia. Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad. Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty. Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 19:37 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 19:33 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty. So you're establishing that you attack me personally and blame the death of the forum on me/my playstyle because I play the game of mafia? You arent playing mafia you are a bully hiding behind your screen. Got no time for you Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 22:56 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up and saw HF also casing KSC although it not the worst case in the world but I aint biting it and KSC's reaction though seems very over the top? Dunno how to feel about that. Palmar's entrance is meh. I hope someone can actually help me read HF this game.... Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 03:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare I also found this interesting as well. I don't get the push on either or, which is why I didn't even buy into it, yet Palmar followed along anyways. Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 03:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:On March 26 2020 10:12 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 08:56 GlowingBear wrote:
LS, I was pushing Rels just to get some traction in the thread.
HF, is Vivax town? And what you got out of that push onto Rels? Nothing, I was just getting traction. On March 26 2020 10:17 Chezinu wrote:On March 26 2020 09:49 GlowingBear wrote:
zZz Hello! Wakey wakey little teddy bear! oh how memorizing you are! Please speak to me! Chez I'll speak! Are you mafia? On March 26 2020 11:31 Trfel wrote:On March 26 2020 10:58 Rels wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? why? Vivax typically has trouble Day 1 as mafia, here he seems present and quite comfortable. This is in the past, Trfel. Last game I've played with him he was very capable as mafia. On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote:
and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game. Mafia have three main objectives: - Blend
- Sew discontent
- Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems:
1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad.
2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them.
3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee. On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
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GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about? I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case. On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted.
LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache.
the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny. Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible. Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway". Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons. Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these. On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer
Coughing Boomer
American Doctor
8x Healthy Boomer fixed This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting. Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least. you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts? lul x2 Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions. On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read. Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta. On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads. On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
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I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia. Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad. On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this. Worst post on thread yet. Are these points alignment indicative? What do you believe these guys are? Town? Mafia? On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote:
also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over. Care to explain? At least explain why you're leaving Chez out. --- And this is basically what's interesting right now. Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda. ##Vote: Holyflare So I wasn't the only one who actually thought this as well even I didn't say it in the thread but I been thinking that for sure. I will vote HF with you. ##Vote: Holyflare Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 12:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 12:04 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 11:10 Rels wrote:On March 26 2020 10:23 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 08:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 07:04 Holyflare wrote:
Time to vote Sentinel. Struggles with thread entrance, copies my nonchalant-ness to LS. Reads fake, easy mafia.
##vote Sentinel "I'm voting for you because you did what I did" That's not how you start a wagon silly You did exactly what I did directly after me. It wasn't original or funny, it was just a mimic of someone who is town in an attempt to blend in. Everything you have done is neither constructive nor helpful. Even this quoted post doesn't construct a read, nor does it evaluate anything else in the thread or about my alignment or anyone elses. You are mafia, simple as that. is this what you really feel about sent, or is it strongly worded to make the game move? Who am I voting for? It's probably the latter, Rels ##vote [UoN]Sentinel These posts, afking and work commitments are why this forum is dead and others thrive. You post a long case and people agree with it (which is fine because they actually elaborated on reasons why) but other people disagree with it and say absolutely nothing relevant to any of the points within it. There is no debate about what points are constructed or what points make someone mafia, there is no push for me because someone thinks this is a narrative (instead, there is a push for me because people can't read the voting thread). This forum is plagued by people talking AT each other saying meagre sentences like "I think he is town" or "I think he is mafia" and no actual discourse about any points anyone raises.
When did you get this whiny?
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On March 27 2020 09:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 09:05 GlowingBear wrote:On March 27 2020 08:46 Holyflare wrote:On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote:
and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game. Mafia have three main objectives: - Blend
- Sew discontent
- Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems:
1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad.
2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them.
3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee. On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
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Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about? I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case. On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted.
LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache.
the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny. Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible. Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway". Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons. Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these. On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer
Coughing Boomer
American Doctor
8x Healthy Boomer fixed This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting. Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least. you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts? lul x2 Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions. On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read. Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta. On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads. On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
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Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia. Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad. On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty. On March 26 2020 19:37 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 19:33 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty. So you're establishing that you attack me personally and blame the death of the forum on me/my playstyle because I play the game of mafia? You arent playing mafia you are a bully hiding behind your screen. Got no time for you On March 26 2020 22:56 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up and saw HF also casing KSC although it not the worst case in the world but I aint biting it and KSC's reaction though seems very over the top? Dunno how to feel about that. Palmar's entrance is meh. I hope someone can actually help me read HF this game.... On March 27 2020 03:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare I also found this interesting as well. I don't get the push on either or, which is why I didn't even buy into it, yet Palmar followed along anyways. On March 27 2020 03:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:On March 26 2020 10:12 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 08:56 GlowingBear wrote:
LS, I was pushing Rels just to get some traction in the thread.
HF, is Vivax town? And what you got out of that push onto Rels? Nothing, I was just getting traction. On March 26 2020 10:17 Chezinu wrote:On March 26 2020 09:49 GlowingBear wrote:
zZz Hello! Wakey wakey little teddy bear! oh how memorizing you are! Please speak to me! Chez I'll speak! Are you mafia? On March 26 2020 11:31 Trfel wrote:On March 26 2020 10:58 Rels wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? why? Vivax typically has trouble Day 1 as mafia, here he seems present and quite comfortable. This is in the past, Trfel. Last game I've played with him he was very capable as mafia. On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote:
and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game. Mafia have three main objectives: - Blend
- Sew discontent
- Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems:
1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad.
2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them.
3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee. On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
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Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about? I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case. On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted.
LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache.
the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny. Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible. Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway". Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons. Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these. On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
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fixed This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting. Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least. you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts? lul x2 Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions. On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read. Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta. On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
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I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads. On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
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GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia. Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad. On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this. Worst post on thread yet. Are these points alignment indicative? What do you believe these guys are? Town? Mafia? On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote:
also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over. Care to explain? At least explain why you're leaving Chez out. --- And this is basically what's interesting right now. Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda. ##Vote: Holyflare So I wasn't the only one who actually thought this as well even I didn't say it in the thread but I been thinking that for sure. I will vote HF with you. ##Vote: Holyflare On March 26 2020 12:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 12:04 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 11:10 Rels wrote:On March 26 2020 10:23 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 08:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 07:04 Holyflare wrote:
Time to vote Sentinel. Struggles with thread entrance, copies my nonchalant-ness to LS. Reads fake, easy mafia.
##vote Sentinel "I'm voting for you because you did what I did" That's not how you start a wagon silly You did exactly what I did directly after me. It wasn't original or funny, it was just a mimic of someone who is town in an attempt to blend in. Everything you have done is neither constructive nor helpful. Even this quoted post doesn't construct a read, nor does it evaluate anything else in the thread or about my alignment or anyone elses. You are mafia, simple as that. is this what you really feel about sent, or is it strongly worded to make the game move? Who am I voting for? It's probably the latter, Rels ##vote [UoN]Sentinel These posts, afking and work commitments are why this forum is dead and others thrive. You post a long case and people agree with it (which is fine because they actually elaborated on reasons why) but other people disagree with it and say absolutely nothing relevant to any of the points within it. There is no debate about what points are constructed or what points make someone mafia, there is no push for me because someone thinks this is a narrative (instead, there is a push for me because people can't read the voting thread). This forum is plagued by people talking AT each other saying meagre sentences like "I think he is town" or "I think he is mafia" and no actual discourse about any points anyone raises. When did you get this whiny? Probably when people spent two pages arguing that I'm mafia because they couldn't read a vote thread instead of any actual mafia agenda for writing a giant wall of text and not voting for that person. Or maybe when the two specific people you call out decide not to play and just make the game incredibly boring. Why should I waste my time arguing points with people when the only person that can reveal their alignment and progress the game doesn't even want to play?
My bad I didn't see your vote? I'm actually playing the game. You don't need to get this sensible just because I don't like your case and think Kelsier is town. I also reconsidered your alignment as soon as I saw your vote.
But I agree with the second half of your post.
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On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.
I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative.
Exactly what I said before
Are you reading what I post?
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On March 27 2020 09:17 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 09:16 GlowingBear wrote:On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.
I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative. Exactly what I said before Are you reading what I post? No, I enjoy talking past people and ignoring them. Haven't you gathered that?
I don't know why you're being an ass, but whatever. I'll stop trying.
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On March 27 2020 09:22 Holyflare wrote:
Perhaps because the only reason both you and LightningStrike have for town reading Kelsier is that you agreed with him that you all disliked my Sentinel "case" which was two sentences of pressure made to make Sentinel actually post content rather than a concrete solid "I've got mafia" "case". It's designed to be shit, it's designed to be called out and it's the most low hanging fruit a mafia player can criticise under the guise of content.
That's not the reason I'm town reading Kelsier.
Also, if your case is shit, it will be called out by town. Especially when they don't see your actual vote.
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Do you really want me to break down your case and point out why it is shit when you admittedly say it's shit?
I have to waste time because you took time to do a shit case?
I'm not following your logic, sorry.
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On March 27 2020 09:22 Holyflare wrote:
Perhaps because the only reason both you and LightningStrike have for town reading Kelsier is that you agreed with him that you all disliked my Sentinel "case" which was two sentences of pressure made to make Sentinel actually post content rather than a concrete solid "I've got mafia" "case". [big]It's designed to be shit[big], it's designed to be called out and it's the most low hanging fruit a mafia player can criticise under the guise of content.
Here.
But okay, I see that you're separating it in two cases.
I'll give the attention it deserves, okay?
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On March 27 2020 09:31 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 09:26 GlowingBear wrote:On March 27 2020 09:22 Holyflare wrote:
Perhaps because the only reason both you and LightningStrike have for town reading Kelsier is that you agreed with him that you all disliked my Sentinel "case" which was two sentences of pressure made to make Sentinel actually post content rather than a concrete solid "I've got mafia" "case". It's designed to be shit, it's designed to be called out and it's the most low hanging fruit a mafia player can criticise under the guise of content.
That's not the reason I'm town reading Kelsier. Also, if your case is shit, it will be called out by town. Especially when they don't see your actual vote. It's not shit, it's been agreed upon by three separate people that aren't me. Trfel, Rels and Palmar - all respectfully good people. If you disagree with the case, you don't simply get to call it shit since you are now going against the grain of 4 separate people that can't all be mafia. You need to give reasons and explain what parts are shit and why. Let's also not conflate that that wasn't my original point. You NEVER addressed the actual case in the post I quoted. The first post after the fact is ignoring the entirety of the posts and simply concluding "HF didn't actually vote at the end of it, that's so bad!". Firstly, why on earth would that ever make me mafia in any way, shape or form in another game? Am I usually inconsistent like that as mafia? Secondly, you never addressed the post there at all. Show nested quote +KelsierSC
Had the same reaction I had on Holyflare's case. I can get behind his logic, even if he is overreacting. ??????
You're right. I thought I fleshed my read on Kelsier more somewhere.
I said it was bad that you were pushing Kelsier while still voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense as town and I believe you understand why. But then I realized you WERE voting Kelsier and dropped my read.
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On March 27 2020 05:08 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 05:03 Trfel wrote:On March 26 2020 15:35 Chezinu wrote:On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this. Hi Mr. Truffles! Hi Mr. Chezinu! Have you determined anything about the floating teddy bear? @GlowingBear, you seem to have severely misunderstood my post. On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this. The first paragraph, that you described as noncomittal, is actually the best point against KelsierSC that has been brought up by someone other than Holyflare. See the quotes in question: On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted.
LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads. (emphasis mine) On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. These don't line up. I get that agreeing with someone's reads and reading them as town are different things, but in this case KelsierSC didn't like LightningStrike's logic or read results and never mentioned a positive thing. Just read the posts yourself, I still don't understand AT ALL how KelsierSC decided to townread LightningStrike there. There was nothing about the conversation that "felt ok." I believe this is actually very townie of Kelsier. He came to the thread, posted his impressions in a very objective manner. Having bad reads isn't alignment indicative, or it is, at least, town lean. I had the same impression Kelsier had with LS. The interaction feels natural. Who would you vote for now?
Ok I said it here. I was sure I said it somewhere else.
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On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote:
and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game. Mafia have three main objectives: - Blend
- Sew discontent
- Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems:
1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad.
2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them.
3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee. Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about? I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case. Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted.
LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache.
the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny. Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible. Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway". Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons. Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these. Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer
Coughing Boomer
American Doctor
8x Healthy Boomer fixed This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting. Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least. you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts? lul x2 Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions. Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read. Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta. Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads. Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no? I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about? Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town? GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least. Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell. Bad reads. Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more. The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak. Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
I agree with your points of how to analyze people as being Mafia. However, I don't believe Mafia, especially Kelsier, would play like this. I also believe his posts could come from a townie perspective.
I don't believe he was discrediting, I believe he was fleshing out opinions on what he thinks about peoples assumption. I do this all the time as town.
I don't believe that him disagreeing with your case but still willing to lynch Sentinel is alignment indicative. He can think your cause is bad while still wanting to lynch a lurker. Again, I do this all the time as town.
I think we should consider the reality of the thread. Town is very disorganized at this point. So Mafia don't really need to do anything. At this point, I would expect Mafia to just stay on the background just to see town destroying themselves. That means they won't make any commitments, they will not push anything, they will at most sheep people. In that sense, I find LS's sheep on me much more suspicious. When I dropped the push, he kept thinking you're scum. But he was sheeping me, so... ?
Trfel is the other one who isn't having strong stances at all. Why not?
Holyflare, especially in a game with two Mafia, I believe they will play a very safe game. That's not what Kelsier was doing.
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On March 27 2020 09:54 Trfel wrote:PalmarWhile I like where Palmar has placed his vote (KelsierSC), I don't like the rest of his play at all. And that's the main thing that has me concerned currently. Palmar typically has strong Day 1 play. He's very good at finding mafia on Day 1, and I believe he has one of the best Day 1 push mafia percentages on the site. However, that isn't seen in this game at all. Palmar has been almost entirely absent, despite having no excuse and nothing else to do (yay coronavirus). And it's not even a weekend. Furthermore, in the little time Palmar has been here, his presence has been extremely lacking. He sheeped Holyflare to vote onto KelsierSC (by itself not a bad choice), however the rest of his posts lack reasoning entirely: Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote:
also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over. Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 22:56 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2020 21:49 Vivax wrote:
Let's keep it simple? Sent's first post was a joke about the opening post, possibly a result of him staring at it not knowing what to write. Then he became uncooperative and generally didn't look like he was having fun, but rather resorting to mimicking a zero-fucks attitude to provoke too-scummy-to-be-scum theories.
I like the wagon. We don't have to bite our teeth out to convince Kelsier.
##Vote: Sent This is a fine vote as well. Honestly I'd kill any of the 4 I mentioned. Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 22:58 Palmar wrote:
I have upgraded shockeyy to definitely mafia. But the incriminating part here is that Palmar has no direction. He doesn't care who gets lynched, he's not pushing his targets, he's content to do nothing. I could potentially understand if he (somehow) had four targets he felt were about equally scummy, but he even says he rates ShoCkeyy as definitely mafia (in contrast to the rest of his lynch pool). Palmar doesn't care about who gets lynched. From town perspective this makes no sense. To me it feels like he's just interested in surviving and is disinterested otherwise, or that KelsierSC is town and Palmar is trying to set up extra mislynches. But I don't know what to think, because I don't like KelsierSC either. I don't like unflipped association reads but while I do think they could be mafia together, it's probably less likely. So I'm a bit confused right now. Thoughts?
THIS is a very scummy post. And that's why I think your case is not good, HF. Because scum will play safe. Just as this guy.
My thought are that you're Mafia trying to confuse town by throwing suspicions at palmar while still scumreading Kelsier but not wanting to vote him at all.
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Okay I'm convinced Trfel is Mafia
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