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On March 27 2020 06:46 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 06:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
No, why start two wagons and then push/vote the one that seems most likely to get a wagon going? Like personally I understand the situation Sent is in, GB you've always thought my play style is anti town, but is it? I think when a townie panics like the one Sent is in, they tend to lean anti town.
I still prefer HF being scum here than Sent. Palmar and Trfel seem to agree with everything HF has to say which is odd from both of them. Following your logic, if HF is scum, one between Trfel and Palmar is necessarily town. So agreeing with HF like they're doing isn't a scum trait. Therefore, irrelevant per se. Sentinel is a veteran in mafia. I don't think he would panic like this. ESPECIALLY day 1 with only one vote on him. It doesn't make sense.
Well I did make that statement before but I forgot to who. That either Palmar or HF are scum. Also yes, I'm home from here on out, but I'm still busy with work, trying to respond whenever I can 
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Heh zoom is pretty old, it was really catered to businesses, but finally people are starting to realize that not a lot of things require you to be there 24/7...
Either way I’m in agreement with Chez it’s rough to really play a good game from day 1. That’s why I always found debating who’s mafia and who isn’t on the first day any useful. I think day 2 is where it gets interesting.
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On March 27 2020 07:38 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 07:30 LightningStrike wrote:On March 27 2020 07:25 Chezinu wrote:On March 27 2020 07:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Well since you are here Chez thoughts on Palmar? I will post the video after he dies. I know the video you probably talking about but you got nothing on him atm? Since when doe Chez play Day 1? We have a lot of bright folks this game. Seriously, "glowing" bear, holy "flare", "lightning" strike...
But only one is red.
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On March 27 2020 09:00 Holyflare wrote:
You don't KNOW what mafia agenda is. This thread was dead, nobody was posting any case on anyone. Who were people voting before I started two "cases" (why do people call my one sentence on Sentinel a case????) on people that BOTH floundered and refuse to play the game instead of making any kind of actual retort to statements I've made.
There is only town agenda to start cases and make pushes in this game. Nothing was achieved beforehand and it's very much QUITE apparent that nothing happened in my absense either. People that get cased refuse to even play the game and are mafia or shouldn't have even bothered to sign up to this game. If one sentence against Sentinel was enough pressure to get him to fold and he's town then I have no hope for any kind of future here.
So, LS, why is pushing Kelsier with a case when there are 0 votes in the thread considered mafia agenda?
Not Kelsier, but I don't like early pushes because it doesn't help? It just causes people to argue... Like literally we still have a few hours to discuss this instead of trying to get some one voted on immediately. I find trying to vote some one out immediately with not much substance more of a mafia motive than town motive.
Posts like mine are why mafia forum is dead? Sad. I guess I just wont play anymore and let the forum really die.
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On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.
I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative.
I never said there was three mafia? I know there's only two this game, I read the first post nah mean? I'm just saying that there's a possibility from those three people there's mafia.
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On March 27 2020 09:34 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 09:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.
I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative. I never said there was three mafia? I know there's only two this game, I read the first post nah mean? I'm just saying that there's a possibility from those three people there's mafia. Ok, why exactly do you think I am/was mafia to begin with? Please just explain it in 3 short bullet points or sentences.
1. You claim you made a case vs Sentinel, but it was barely a case, then instantly swap to KelsierSC for saying your case blows and him voting for you?
2. You're telling people how mafia should be played yet most of us here have played together already for quite some time.
3. I've played with you on the mafia team before, and that post screams end of game posting style from our game together.
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On March 27 2020 10:14 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 10:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 09:34 Holyflare wrote:On March 27 2020 09:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.
I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative. I never said there was three mafia? I know there's only two this game, I read the first post nah mean? I'm just saying that there's a possibility from those three people there's mafia. Ok, why exactly do you think I am/was mafia to begin with? Please just explain it in 3 short bullet points or sentences. 1. You claim you made a case vs Sentinel, but it was barely a case, then instantly swap to KelsierSC for saying your case blows and him voting for you? 2. You're telling people how mafia should be played yet most of us here have played together already for quite some time. 3. I've played with you on the mafia team before, and that post screams end of game posting style from our game together. 1. He voted for me after I made the case on him?? I also didn't only vote him for saying my case blows?? That's literally none of what I write about in my actual case on Kelsier?????? 2. Yet people still don't understand it. 3. Fine.
Point 1 is based on memory, but I recall him saying your case on Sentinel blows, then you went off on Kelsier with your case, then voted for him.
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On March 27 2020 10:31 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 10:12 LightningStrike wrote:On March 27 2020 10:07 GlowingBear wrote:
If the team is Kelsier and Trfel I'll be very disappointed If that is the case then Mafia got like 0 presence atm and just letting us steam roll them? At least Trfel is trying
I won a mafia game where LightningStrike, Vivax were literally afking the whole game, and town was literally just lynching either left and right.
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On March 27 2020 10:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 10:31 GlowingBear wrote:On March 27 2020 10:12 LightningStrike wrote:On March 27 2020 10:07 GlowingBear wrote:
If the team is Kelsier and Trfel I'll be very disappointed If that is the case then Mafia got like 0 presence atm and just letting us steam roll them? At least Trfel is trying I won a mafia game where LightningStrike, Vivax were literally afking the whole game, and town was literally just lynching either left and right.
meant lynching each other* left and right
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On March 27 2020 10:39 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 10:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 10:31 GlowingBear wrote:On March 27 2020 10:12 LightningStrike wrote:On March 27 2020 10:07 GlowingBear wrote:
If the team is Kelsier and Trfel I'll be very disappointed If that is the case then Mafia got like 0 presence atm and just letting us steam roll them? At least Trfel is trying I won a mafia game where LightningStrike, Vivax were literally afking the whole game, and town was literally just lynching either left and right. I've lost count of how many games I've lost this way
That's the real problem with this forum, is that rather town helping each other out, they tend to argue the whole time and they stick headstrong... Like what's the point?
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I don't even remember the game specifically anymore, but maybe it was a different game with vivax lol...
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The only way I can think Trfel is mafia is because he's sheeping HF to try and throw some shade over to HF. HF while yes tries to commit to some discussion, and is known strong player, I can see why Trfel would try and sheep him. In all honesty its still early, people start really coming out when there's like four hours left...
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On March 27 2020 11:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
My read on ShoCkeyy is that he's town but he's also wrong
What am I wrong about?
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On March 27 2020 11:14 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 11:01 Trfel wrote:
GlowingBear and everyone else, care to respond to the actual points I've raised instead of meaningless nonsense?
Getting kinda sick of this.
Yes, I'm confused because one of my main scumreads is voting for the other one. I'm not confident enough in my reads to vote, given the circumstance. If you have any actual help or comments on my reads to help sort this out, I would really appreciate it.
Otherwise, BUGGER OFF. Alright, since apparently people aren't playing here anymore because we have to attack every point ever made in the forums, here is what I think about your points: I never heard that Palmar has a great day 1. I don't believe this is a reliable meta. I don't believe Palmar is just surviving. I believe he is being lazy on day1. And that's something I believe you also said? Why do you believe Kelsier is Mafia? Solely Holyflare's case?
Palmar is definitely being lazy D1.
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On March 27 2020 11:54 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 10:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 10:14 Holyflare wrote:On March 27 2020 10:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 09:34 Holyflare wrote:On March 27 2020 09:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.
I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative. I never said there was three mafia? I know there's only two this game, I read the first post nah mean? I'm just saying that there's a possibility from those three people there's mafia. Ok, why exactly do you think I am/was mafia to begin with? Please just explain it in 3 short bullet points or sentences. 1. You claim you made a case vs Sentinel, but it was barely a case, then instantly swap to KelsierSC for saying your case blows and him voting for you? 2. You're telling people how mafia should be played yet most of us here have played together already for quite some time. 3. I've played with you on the mafia team before, and that post screams end of game posting style from our game together. 1. He voted for me after I made the case on him?? I also didn't only vote him for saying my case blows?? That's literally none of what I write about in my actual case on Kelsier?????? 2. Yet people still don't understand it. 3. Fine. Point 1 is based on memory, but I recall him saying your case on Sentinel blows, then you went off on Kelsier with your case, then voted for him. But what part of my case relies on the premise that I am attacking Kelsier for saying my Sentinel case blows?
Ok here we gooooo.....
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
You literally claimed Kelsier would be confirmed mafia here, Kelsier last posts during this time were about him going to work, and about your other case against Sentinel blowing. You didn't really have reasoning here to think he was mafia just yet. His beginning posts which were much literally read as town to me.
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/557789-emergency-quarantine-mafia?page=11
On this page you decided to jump back to Sentinel
On March 26 2020 13:38 Holyflare wrote:
It is not about what I think. It's about what you think. You think it's strong or you do not, you jump on it or do not. That does not bother me. I put my thoughts in the thread for people to see and call out things that should be called out. You are effectively defending Sentinel playing atrociously and even going so far as self-voting when called out to do what? Vote me and say you don't like the way I'm playing right now?
There are three fundamental questions that you need to answer now, Rels:
Do you agree or disagree with the premise that Sentinel has played sub-optimally, flown under the radar and was just not funny?
When I applied pressure to Sentinel and voted him and he self-voted, did he perpetuate the case on him even further or react helpfully?
When Sentinel reacted poorly to pressure did I look worse or better?
We actually care what you think, if you're actually town, we should care about what you think. Then directly after this post, you make that huge "case" against Kelsier which literally had almost his only posts. You were flip floppy here between either or trying to get a wagon going. Kelsier seemed like an easier lynch at this point because two players also joined, so let's completely forget about your first push.
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Meh I don’t think Kelsier can be mafia. I see Rels as town but I can’t see kelsier as mafia. I might be wrong but he just started the game, was trying to feel good about starting up a new mafia game, and instead people are shitting on him for a not so strong opening. For that I rather vote Palmar...
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On March 27 2020 14:03 Holyflare wrote:
You can't possibly see any situation where Kelsier is mafia??? What are his strong points in his filter?
Hmm instantly twisted my words but ok.
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On March 27 2020 12:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2020 12:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 11:54 Holyflare wrote:On March 27 2020 10:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 10:14 Holyflare wrote:On March 27 2020 10:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 09:34 Holyflare wrote:On March 27 2020 09:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.
I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative. I never said there was three mafia? I know there's only two this game, I read the first post nah mean? I'm just saying that there's a possibility from those three people there's mafia. Ok, why exactly do you think I am/was mafia to begin with? Please just explain it in 3 short bullet points or sentences. 1. You claim you made a case vs Sentinel, but it was barely a case, then instantly swap to KelsierSC for saying your case blows and him voting for you? 2. You're telling people how mafia should be played yet most of us here have played together already for quite some time. 3. I've played with you on the mafia team before, and that post screams end of game posting style from our game together. 1. He voted for me after I made the case on him?? I also didn't only vote him for saying my case blows?? That's literally none of what I write about in my actual case on Kelsier?????? 2. Yet people still don't understand it. 3. Fine. Point 1 is based on memory, but I recall him saying your case on Sentinel blows, then you went off on Kelsier with your case, then voted for him. But what part of my case relies on the premise that I am attacking Kelsier for saying my Sentinel case blows? Ok here we gooooo..... On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. You literally claimed Kelsier would be confirmed mafia here, Kelsier last posts during this time were about him going to work, and about your other case against Sentinel blowing. You didn't really have reasoning here to think he was mafia just yet. His beginning posts which were much literally read as town to me. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/557789-emergency-quarantine-mafia?page=11On this page you decided to jump back to Sentinel On March 26 2020 13:38 Holyflare wrote:
It is not about what I think. It's about what you think. You think it's strong or you do not, you jump on it or do not. That does not bother me. I put my thoughts in the thread for people to see and call out things that should be called out. You are effectively defending Sentinel playing atrociously and even going so far as self-voting when called out to do what? Vote me and say you don't like the way I'm playing right now?
There are three fundamental questions that you need to answer now, Rels:
Do you agree or disagree with the premise that Sentinel has played sub-optimally, flown under the radar and was just not funny?
When I applied pressure to Sentinel and voted him and he self-voted, did he perpetuate the case on him even further or react helpfully?
When Sentinel reacted poorly to pressure did I look worse or better? We actually care what you think, if you're actually town, we should care about what you think. Then directly after this post, you make that huge "case" against Kelsier which literally had almost his only posts. You were flip floppy here between either or trying to get a wagon going. Kelsier seemed like an easier lynch at this point because two players also joined, so let's completely forget about your first push. I don't know what point you're trying to raise to be honest. Do you think that when I created the case on Kelsier those points magically jumped out to me while I was making it or do you think I already had a pre-determined set of points that I wanted to raise in the thread? Trfel asked me about that first quote here: Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 15:39 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this. It's not too difficult to understand. I still think the points on Sentinel are apt, he's done nothing but flounder in the thread. What does that make his alignment? Pretty undertermined at this point in truth, unfortunately. Psychologically, and rather egotistically, players are more drawn to seeing their name typed in the thread and reacting to those posts. If you just acknowledge the basic tenets of a mafia player (as I outlined) and extrapolate that all townies should be looking out for that behaviour specifically (because really, that's how you find mafia in every game) then Sentinel should have acknowledged Kelsier's stances on himself. If Sentinel is town, then he should see Kelsier say that the lynch on him is bad but then totally 180 on himself and meekly support it as the best lynch. That is a bad look for Kelsier, if Sentinel is town, because he is lynch bait and Kelsier is jumping on him. Why specifically did I call out Sentinel for it? Mostly for the above, a bit for reaction fishing from other people and also a tad in hopes Kelsier would react (although I think he might of gone to sleep at this point). On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote:
If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia. For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read Sentinel doesn't really understand why I said it so that leaves me with either: Sentinel is not critically thinking about the game in any way, shape or form as a townie. OR Sentinel is mafia and doesn't subconsciously put together the things that naturally come to a townie. I'm hesitant to say it's the latter but we'll see. Kelsier is a great vote at least. I had already determined that Kelsier was mafia and wanted to test the waters with Sentinel some more to see if they were either mafia together or if there was a chance Sentinel could be town. It was entirely inconclusive but that's neither here nor there. I also didn't "jump back to Sentinel", I was questioning (and answering at some point) Rels' questions. You can see how I'm trying to reach a conclusion on RELS (not Sentinel) because I am asking Rels questions in relation to the events. So, no, I didn't become undecided between the two, since none of these questions relate to MY read on Sentinel in the slightest, rather Rels' read progression on me and Sentinel.
The point I was trying to make is that you instantly came with a list of his posts, gave your opinion why you think he’s mafia only after being pressured to give reasons, but it’s literally KC first few posts. Essentially what you’re criticizing him for is what you’re doing to him. Giving opinions. But hey you determined he was mafia at some point with only about 10 posts.
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I responded to you HF, thoughts on my responses? Or you going to ignore it?
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So would you move your vote to Trfel, hF?
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