[N]Emergency Quarantine Mafia - Page 2

On March 26 2020 10:15 Chezinu wrote:




Dear Me,

The others didn't speak to me when I said hello and asked who they were. They spoke amongst themselves about me. They knew my name. Strange creatures they are.

Ray talked to me! He told me what he thought about the others. He such a beautiful thinker! I asked him about the ones we cannot see. I await his response.

Perhaps we shall try talking to thems again!


Best regards,

The One who Guides Your Hands

On March 26 2020 10:23 Holyflare wrote:


You did exactly what I did directly after me. It wasn't original or funny, it was just a mimic of someone who is town in an attempt to blend in. Everything you have done is neither constructive nor helpful. Even this quoted post doesn't construct a read, nor does it evaluate anything else in the thread or about my alignment or anyone elses.

You are mafia, simple as that.

On March 26 2020 11:31 Trfel wrote:
Vivax typically has trouble Day 1 as mafia, here he seems present and quite comfortable.

On March 26 2020 11:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:


For me vivax is a hard read first day.

On March 26 2020 12:03 Trfel wrote:
This is what I was referring to in particular, but throughout his play so far he feels really carefree.

On March 26 2020 12:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

It's probably the latter, Rels

##vote [UoN]Sentinel

On March 26 2020 12:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

I worded it strongly in order to make the game move

On March 26 2020 13:05 Trfel wrote:
Why maybe?

On March 26 2020 13:06 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare, I'm sorry I don't understand this, could you explain your thinking for me?

On March 26 2020 13:30 Holyflare wrote:
Why would I care what you think of my Sentinel case and why does that make me mafia if you don't think it's strong?

On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:



I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.

Mafia have three main objectives:

• Blend
  
• Sew discontent
  
• Survive

The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems:

1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad.
2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them.
3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.

Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.




There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.

Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.

Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".

Kelsier's current mindset if town: ??????
Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.

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These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.

Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.



Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.



Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.



Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.



Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.

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To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.

On March 26 2020 14:05 Holyflare wrote:
Let me ask you this follow up question, Rels. If I were indeed pushing Sentinel as a "reaction" and I didn't think my case was actually strong, why would I ever answer your question of whether I believed in it and debase the whole thing? If I answer, "No, I do not think it is strong" then a mafia Sentinel would have nothing to fear whatsoever and anything I hoped to achieve would be pointless.

Why should I be totally transparent to the detriment of anything I achieve in that case?

On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.

I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.

Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.