On August 20 2019 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: [spoiler]So here is what happened at the start of the game.
People post some random shit. Vivax asks me if i am mafia. Vivax makes a couple of posts on FF where he is actually trying to do something and has some sort of a thought process (as in his "reaction test" or whatever shit that was on me). So well Vivax is already town here. There is no legwork to be done here because he should be read probably town here anyways. Jock's reasoning seems overexplained to me so i ask him about it. Jock doesn't freeze or give any bullshit answer -- just weird way of thinking things imo. Vivax seems to be thinking Cake is mafia. Cake seems to be thinking Jock is mafia. Jock seems to be thinking Cake is mafia. I hard-conter the "case" of Cake calling HF mafia comes from mafia because it doesn't make any sense. I dont really see any reasoning (other than Cake's on Jock later on) that could possibly be something else than mine. Jock doesn't actually call Cake anything until a bit later (when he agrees with HF's list), but inbetween there Cake doesn't really post anything regarding his argument earlier, and there are no other reasons presented for Cake being town other than mine, so why should i assume something else? Same goes with Vivax, i don't see why he'd change his mind unless it is for what i said (as we even discussed it).
So yeah, you can say i didn't do it all but i was part of all the discussion in the thread at the time and the conclusion HF comes to is that i "have posted nothing". If you want to fucking nitpick like he does then yeah, this is simply a lie because i was actually there posting and even if i hadn't posted ANYTHING of substance (which is not the case here) that's still i lie because i have pretty much 2 pages of filter from that time.
Also yeah, i didn't expicitly say where my townreads on Vivax and Jock come from but i didn't think i need to say that because those were pretty obvious reads to make and furthermore, if you have ever played with me and use any portion of your brain cells you can tell if i think someone is mafia or not purely based on how i answer to them and or / if i question tham and in which manner that happens. But apparently people don't use any brain anymore in these games.
This is most likely the last mafia game i will ever play. Game is not for me when there is a "tone scum read" on me based on some bullshit question, then there are some mafiascum scrubs playing who can't form a (gameplaywise) reasonable sentence other than "youre mafia because your role pm says you are mafia". At least HF actually tries to provide some reasoning behind his reads, but that's also bad because he's nitpicking every fucking word in people's posts and when someone else does that nobody ever cares -- he gets away with it as mafia and loses games as town, and that's bad. But noone cares. And almost all the rest of the people afk the shit out, dont post at all and dont vote. What's the point of the game?
Like i can discuss the game with squishy, ff, jock and cake but that's it. Others can go fuck themselves because that's not playing mafia. I havent done anything scummy in this game yet noone even seems to be having a reasonable read on me, Based on what i HAVE done (saying i havent done anything is just simply incorrect). I don't see a reason to discuss shit with anyone because even the players on the list above dont seem to be caring fuck about what i have to say.[/spoiler]
The amount of effort is unusual. The try hardness of this seems scummy
On August 23 2019 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not home yet. Squishy dodged the question entirely.
The question? Give me THE question. The post you said I never followed up on is about Chez. And I honestly do not give chez much of my attention. Rephrase what you want from me.
On August 20 2019 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: [spoiler]So here is what happened at the start of the game.
People post some random shit. Vivax asks me if i am mafia. Vivax makes a couple of posts on FF where he is actually trying to do something and has some sort of a thought process (as in his "reaction test" or whatever shit that was on me). So well Vivax is already town here. There is no legwork to be done here because he should be read probably town here anyways. Jock's reasoning seems overexplained to me so i ask him about it. Jock doesn't freeze or give any bullshit answer -- just weird way of thinking things imo. Vivax seems to be thinking Cake is mafia. Cake seems to be thinking Jock is mafia. Jock seems to be thinking Cake is mafia. I hard-conter the "case" of Cake calling HF mafia comes from mafia because it doesn't make any sense. I dont really see any reasoning (other than Cake's on Jock later on) that could possibly be something else than mine. Jock doesn't actually call Cake anything until a bit later (when he agrees with HF's list), but inbetween there Cake doesn't really post anything regarding his argument earlier, and there are no other reasons presented for Cake being town other than mine, so why should i assume something else? Same goes with Vivax, i don't see why he'd change his mind unless it is for what i said (as we even discussed it).
So yeah, you can say i didn't do it all but i was part of all the discussion in the thread at the time and the conclusion HF comes to is that i "have posted nothing". If you want to fucking nitpick like he does then yeah, this is simply a lie because i was actually there posting and even if i hadn't posted ANYTHING of substance (which is not the case here) that's still i lie because i have pretty much 2 pages of filter from that time.
Also yeah, i didn't expicitly say where my townreads on Vivax and Jock come from but i didn't think i need to say that because those were pretty obvious reads to make and furthermore, if you have ever played with me and use any portion of your brain cells you can tell if i think someone is mafia or not purely based on how i answer to them and or / if i question tham and in which manner that happens. But apparently people don't use any brain anymore in these games.
This is most likely the last mafia game i will ever play. Game is not for me when there is a "tone scum read" on me based on some bullshit question, then there are some mafiascum scrubs playing who can't form a (gameplaywise) reasonable sentence other than "youre mafia because your role pm says you are mafia". At least HF actually tries to provide some reasoning behind his reads, but that's also bad because he's nitpicking every fucking word in people's posts and when someone else does that nobody ever cares -- he gets away with it as mafia and loses games as town, and that's bad. But noone cares. And almost all the rest of the people afk the shit out, dont post at all and dont vote. What's the point of the game?
Like i can discuss the game with squishy, ff, jock and cake but that's it. Others can go fuck themselves because that's not playing mafia. I havent done anything scummy in this game yet noone even seems to be having a reasonable read on me, Based on what i HAVE done (saying i havent done anything is just simply incorrect). I don't see a reason to discuss shit with anyone because even the players on the list above dont seem to be caring fuck about what i have to say.[/spoiler]
The amount of effort is unusual. The try hardness of this seems scummy
[B]On August 21 2019 02:23 reps)squishy wrote:
On August 21 2019 02:06 Fecalfeast wrote: I know I've scumread you like every game so far but I can't shake it I guess.
So squishy is mafia and you would prefer to vote him but don't care to vote him or make a case to convince anyone else to vote him?
Sounds lazy
What is the exact correct amount of effort you require from a player, squishy?
This shit is old and I have responded to this. What’s your point?
On August 20 2019 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: [spoiler]So here is what happened at the start of the game.
People post some random shit. Vivax asks me if i am mafia. Vivax makes a couple of posts on FF where he is actually trying to do something and has some sort of a thought process (as in his "reaction test" or whatever shit that was on me). So well Vivax is already town here. There is no legwork to be done here because he should be read probably town here anyways. Jock's reasoning seems overexplained to me so i ask him about it. Jock doesn't freeze or give any bullshit answer -- just weird way of thinking things imo. Vivax seems to be thinking Cake is mafia. Cake seems to be thinking Jock is mafia. Jock seems to be thinking Cake is mafia. I hard-conter the "case" of Cake calling HF mafia comes from mafia because it doesn't make any sense. I dont really see any reasoning (other than Cake's on Jock later on) that could possibly be something else than mine. Jock doesn't actually call Cake anything until a bit later (when he agrees with HF's list), but inbetween there Cake doesn't really post anything regarding his argument earlier, and there are no other reasons presented for Cake being town other than mine, so why should i assume something else? Same goes with Vivax, i don't see why he'd change his mind unless it is for what i said (as we even discussed it).
So yeah, you can say i didn't do it all but i was part of all the discussion in the thread at the time and the conclusion HF comes to is that i "have posted nothing". If you want to fucking nitpick like he does then yeah, this is simply a lie because i was actually there posting and even if i hadn't posted ANYTHING of substance (which is not the case here) that's still i lie because i have pretty much 2 pages of filter from that time.
Also yeah, i didn't expicitly say where my townreads on Vivax and Jock come from but i didn't think i need to say that because those were pretty obvious reads to make and furthermore, if you have ever played with me and use any portion of your brain cells you can tell if i think someone is mafia or not purely based on how i answer to them and or / if i question tham and in which manner that happens. But apparently people don't use any brain anymore in these games.
This is most likely the last mafia game i will ever play. Game is not for me when there is a "tone scum read" on me based on some bullshit question, then there are some mafiascum scrubs playing who can't form a (gameplaywise) reasonable sentence other than "youre mafia because your role pm says you are mafia". At least HF actually tries to provide some reasoning behind his reads, but that's also bad because he's nitpicking every fucking word in people's posts and when someone else does that nobody ever cares -- he gets away with it as mafia and loses games as town, and that's bad. But noone cares. And almost all the rest of the people afk the shit out, dont post at all and dont vote. What's the point of the game?
Like i can discuss the game with squishy, ff, jock and cake but that's it. Others can go fuck themselves because that's not playing mafia. I havent done anything scummy in this game yet noone even seems to be having a reasonable read on me, Based on what i HAVE done (saying i havent done anything is just simply incorrect). I don't see a reason to discuss shit with anyone because even the players on the list above dont seem to be caring fuck about what i have to say.[/spoiler]
The amount of effort is unusual. The try hardness of this seems scummy
[B]On August 21 2019 02:23 reps)squishy wrote:
On August 21 2019 02:06 Fecalfeast wrote: I know I've scumread you like every game so far but I can't shake it I guess.
So squishy is mafia and you would prefer to vote him but don't care to vote him or make a case to convince anyone else to vote him?
Sounds lazy
What is the exact correct amount of effort you require from a player, squishy?
This shit is old and I have responded to this. What’s your point?
This shows you're not really reading but just looking for your own name btw
He's quoting a cool post from jock that makes him think jock is towny? Maybe that's too much inferring
On August 23 2019 05:59 CopCake wrote: My other team combo is FF and Jock, mostly because they seem to fight and push an agenda, it is like they are carrying sword and dance with them trying to sell it as if it was a big discussion like the battle of the bastards.
what do you mean by pushing an agenda?
They tried to get me lynched but you defended me. They have done that shit several times during the game, not just with me.
Okay copcake can you point out where this happened because I'm pretty sure I called you town from right near the beginning of the game and never once tried to get you lynched.
Come on guys I've got loads of time while I'm at work today let's get stuff done.
I'm going to make a start:
I don't think squishy is mafia any more. Mafia squishy has literally zero reasons to kill FF. That doesn't make sense at all. That means that there's a little bit more PoE data in the thread and I think we can figure this out. Squishy is now my tip top town guy.
Possible/likely mafia teams from my POV:
HF & Rayn - Nothing would surprise me when it comes to these two and I'm not discounting it as a possibility but something about hf yesterday made me think it was town hf. He has a kind of routine for night 2 that i've noticed although its easily fakeable as mafia i guess. This team kinda makes sense from the point of view of the night kill. FF was working with me or at least willing to - also with myself and him being targets for squishy & copcake they just had to kill one of us and push a mislynch on the other (watch out for hf trying to push a lynch on me today)
Chez & Rayn - Entirely possible - likely even? What can you even say about Chezinu? As the game goes on he should be contributing more, not less, otherwise there's no point in his early game weirdness. He's supposed to survive the early game and then come into his own later not just survive and then disappear.
Chez & HF - Well hf seems to not really see chezinu as a possible lynch so far. I don't know if that really tells us anything though.
The issue i have with chez being mafia is that he would have been better off killing someone other than FF, like squishy would. Its never a good move for either of them.
Copcake & rayn MASSIVE FEELINGS ABOUT THIS ONE. I've been townreading copcake all game but now's the time to change my reads completely and copcake's filter when it comes to rayn is dodgy as fuck. No deviation from protecting him at all times: + Show Spoiler +
On August 20 2019 23:50 CopCake wrote: Maybe I am being too nip ticky with the way he anf the others did.
To answer your question, I don’t know I cant see rayn as mafia in this game. The only one I want to lynch atm is FF.
On August 18 2019 02:12 Vivax wrote: IIRC last time I played with cake I misread her scum because some things in her posts just didn't seem to add up. I'm not going to try that approach again.
Cake is getting the inconsistent townie pass.
Ok, Eywa... you gotz to let dead people speak for you. This is how you fights back.
Yo! HF!!!
check this out!!
On August 18 2019 02:55 Vivax wrote:
On August 18 2019 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: And why is that?
Because you are scum
I believe rayn is scum cause Vivax was after him. Meta has changed so much lately (you know it has changed, you admitted this yourself) that mafia can kill people who come after them and think they will get away with it cause it would be "too obvious!"
On August 21 2019 12:50 Chezinu wrote: Anyways, what do you think about Holyflare? Is his rigid logical style too harsh? Would he play this as mafia to hide his emotions?
HF is town. (To me) Because he had been patient mostly. The whole HF vs Rayn reminded me the last game I played here.
Besides all the agenda Ewya has been pushing is to separate HF and Rayn. I would dare say that FF has been trying that too with the "This is something HF mafia would do".
On August 21 2019 23:27 CopCake wrote: Thinking about it, it doesnt make sense a Rayn/HF team.
On August 22 2019 00:24 CopCake wrote: Q: Hey Cake, in your last games... did people call rayn mafia and build cases against him?
Cake: Yes.
Q: Did you call him town?
Cake: Yes.
Q: Was he town?
Cake: Yes.
Q: Were you town in those games?
Cake: Yes.
- shrugs -
I think he is town here also.
On August 22 2019 02:16 CopCake wrote: Rayn is town, why are you doubting him now? Because he “handed in” Ewya?
On August 20 2019 05:10 CopCake wrote: I don't know what you mean with “leg work” but Rayn explained to Vivax why I am town in his mindset and told me that Vivax is town directly to me.
This looks really bad, along with the blatant buddying of squishy. Protect rayn, buddy squishy and go after jock/hf/chezinu. Seems like a perfect plan for copcake to be honest. Squishy I would say don't fall for copcake's buddying at this point. Just because she has relentlessly townread you all game doesn't mean she is town for it. I called you mafia because I thought you were mafia, copcake seemed to know you were town immediately and never deviated from that for a second.
Copcake & HF doesn't really make alot of sense. Copcake has been inferring that hf is probably mafia without saying it alot and that doesn't strike me as the kind of thing mafia would do. ie the whole 'one of rayn/hf could be mafia and it isn't rayn' thing. Copcake & Chezinu is the other likely combination. It could be a thing but I would need help on that because I can't read Chezinu for shit and he doesn't even fit anywhere in my PoE :/
Out of all these the most likely are:
So for me, 2/3 of rayn, copcake and chez are likely mafia.
I'd like other people's input on this as much as possible please. I think we can get some good action going today but only if people actually turn up and start posting.
So your only townread is HF who has done exactly what besides eywa lynch?
I agree squishy is not mafia. Why does the reasoning you presented however apply to squishy but not cake?
Furthermore i am just waiting for answers to my questions. I dont understand what i am supposed to do or how am i supposed to play if people dont even give me the courtesy to answer very clear questions presented to them.
On August 23 2019 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: So your only townread is HF who has done exactly what besides eywa lynch?
I agree squishy is not mafia. Why does the reasoning you presented however apply to squishy but not cake?
Furthermore i am just waiting for answers to my questions. I dont understand what i am supposed to do or how am i supposed to play if people dont even give me the courtesy to answer very clear questions presented to them.
I ANSWERED YOUR FUCKING QUESTIONS.
Just because you ignore the answer/pretend it isn't there doesn't mean no-one answered you. Go back and quote the question you asked me and I will quote the answer for you.
My actual main townread right now is squishy, not hf. HF is a town lean of sorts. Its mostly to do with how his reads have evolved/flowed, it seems natural and normal to me. His night 2 was typical of town hf (although like I said that is fakeable). Also of all the combinations, hf/rayn and hf/cake don't make that much sense to me and honestly i tihnk one of you and cake is mafia.
Why does the reasoning apply to squishy and not cake? Squishy's lynch targets were technically the same as cakes but I get the feeling that although cake kept SAYING FF/Jock she was really angling to push HF and I. That's why she kept saying stuff about one of you/hf being mafia while simultaneously protecting you at any cost.
Well if that was your final answer during N2 then i think youre mafia. I believe you, based on the available information, would consider eywa more likely to be mafia than squishy during D2. I dont believe in the reasoning you provised.
On August 23 2019 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well if that was your final answer during N2 then i think youre mafia. I believe you, based on the available information, would consider eywa more likely to be mafia than squishy during D2. I dont believe in the reasoning you provised.
Typical rayn. You make a case and anyone who doesn't fall in line immediately must be mafia. I was saying squishy was my number one mafia choice THE ENTIRE TIME since before you made the case on eywa. Just because you make a good case it doesn't mean anyoen who doesn't believe it is scum.
Also what good info did we get off simply going for a day 2 wagon off the first available case and then sticking there? Fuck all. At least if people had moved to squishy we would have had better PoE info with our mislynch. As it was we got nothing, and you are pissed at me for trying to make something happen? PUH-LEASE
I think the most likely thing here is that you are mafia and that copcake and yourself were going to try and push me as the mislynch today.
EPT
