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On July 28 2019 23:50 Holyflare wrote: What if I told you I was rayn's partner but had to afk and didn't save him? What if I told you I was rayn’s partner and we tried to kill each other because we hate each other’s guts? I won without even trying though. -wherebugsgo | ||
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NoSmurfHere
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On July 28 2019 23:51 Holyflare wrote: Don't think I agree with any of your scum reads and I'm packing my house to move this week so mafia should probably leave me alive anyway because I'm no use. Care to explain why Pandain & MZ then? Cause they’re basically (?) the only two players I didn’t list as potential suspects. Surely you have some townreads, or any sort of reads at this point. Anyway I’m going to check in a couple times tomorrow but I’ll be gone for quite a bit since I’m flying to the U.S. and I have work. Will leave the game in the care of Jock, y’all can figure it out. Believe in the you that I believe in and we can win. -wherebugsgo | ||
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NoSmurfHere
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If we die today town loses. Just read our posts and read why tube considered us scum (look at it from our perspective). Regardless of whatever reasons (??) rayn and tube had, they weren’t good. If you believe they are good, just lay them out and we can address them. As for who should actually die today, I think the best bets are: Koshi FF I think slam and Eywa are also potential choices, depending on what they do today. However since we cannot lynch incorrectly, I think we should kill Koshi. My reasons on Koshi, FF, and slam have been laid out already. I think slam is the player that most others have been really calling town. Pandain why did you say he comes out looking better? For Eywa, besides day 1 hard pushing rayn, Eywa has really done nothing this game, especially d2. The inactivity was preannounced but now we’re in mylo. If Eywa doesn’t step it up today and slam does (or vice versa) I think it becomes a difficult decision. Personally this will probably be my last post for quite a while since I’m going to work and then boarding a 10 hour flight in the evening. Feel free to @me any questions you have and I’ll try to answer them when I’m back. If you vote us without asking anything then I can only say we tried our best  -wherebugsgo | ||
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NoSmurfHere
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But still, kill Koshi first. “I will kill whoever town chooses” lol -wherebugsgo | ||
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On July 29 2019 08:13 Holyflare wrote: My case: Bugs has been more concerned finding a mason the entire game than actually playing mafia. Vote please. I'd like people to read this and go look at our filter and see how wrong it is. -J | ||
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NoSmurfHere
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I literally could make a case on any player in this game. Understandably lots of people don’t have time to play much and neither do I. So discounting activity altogether and judging players purely based on content leads me to the reads that I have. I’ll save my ranting on the quality of play and what dead players did in particular for postgame since it’s not going to do us any good now, and actually overall I enjoyed the game since I could share with Jock and keep myself at ease knowing that I’m not insane given the complete wonk logic that’s being accepted as legit these days. Meapak, Pandain, Eversince, if any of you are scum here then kudos for making the most sense despite posting very little. On the basis of content alone you’re my strongest townreads. If any of you are town please talk with Jock in my absence, and me if I manage to get some time to post after my flight & back-to-back work Mondays (I get to experience Monday twice yay). There’s a small possibility we can still win if we lynch scum today, though the game seems hopeless. I’m sure no one has a perfect list of scumreads but maybe if we pool them we can figure out which ones overlap and just go with those. I’m personally still very sure on Koshi. HF, I am hoping you are scum here otherwise I will have some choice words for you in postgame. This game was very winnable but you have an extremely selfish approach to the game and while I like some of the things you pointed out, particularly on slam on d1, that is not enough to overshadow the fact that in general your play is incredibly antitown even when you are town. Regardless of alignment this game is no exception. If you’re scum then kudos Eywa, branch, FF, slam, Koshi: the townies among you should pull your own weight and establish your innocence & don’t fuck up today. If you vote us, that’s an automatic fail. Read the game and come up with your own opinions instead of sheeping. I maintain that Koshi is still the best lynch given the information I have at hand. Feel free to read my previous posts on the subject, nothing much has changed. I’ll see you all on the other side of the Pacific. -wherebugsgo | ||
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NoSmurfHere
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I like how everyone keeps conveniently forgetting that rayn decided we were mafia before we even posted anything. I've been defending us from morons and mafia ever since that moment. I'm fucking sick of it now to be honest I'm going to ignore everything the mafia and morons are saying about us and just make the case for koshi dying. If town decides to listen to mafia and kill us then so be it. If town decides that their detective work of figuring out that only we would want to kill tubesock and the mafia could never have realized this and used it is better then town loses. If people are willing to listen to us, to look at day 2 with sensible eyes and see the progression of how that day went from the beginning to the end they will know that we aren't mafia, we've been trying to find mafia this entire time and every time we do people scum read us for it. Koshi was willing to sheep a vote on us even though he thought we were town. When people started joining us on the koshi vote all of a sudden him and hf turn up and completely change the game going for a chez lynch instead, and hf then uses the results of that lynch to push us, even though he inferred heavily that we were town at the end of day 2. We are the patsy for whoever out of koshi/hf are leading the mafia. Koshi was acting incredibly scummy for the whole of day 2. He was blatantly lying about things that happened, misrepresenting facts etc. etc. The case has already been made by myself as well as others. There's no reason not to believe koshi is mafia if you believed that yesterday. If you are changing to believe that we are mafia instead on the basis that tubsesock died, then you are easily manipulated and the worst thing about that is that the mafia knows you are easily manipulated. I'll post again if pandain/eywa/slam/MZ/Branch/ES want to talk about the lynch. Otherwise do what the fuck you want. HF and koshi can do one. -J | ||
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On July 29 2019 17:22 Holyflare wrote: . Do you think Koshi is being scum read because he got some reads right or something? People are scum reading him for unexplained reads, lack of follow up and inability to answer questions about those reads. Are you scum reading him for that or do you still town read him cos he calls people stupid? | ||
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On July 29 2019 17:22 Holyflare wrote: . Do you think Koshi is being scum read because he got some reads right or something? People are scum reading him for unexplained reads, lack of follow up and inability to answer questions about those reads. I'm saying because this seems much more convincing to me than: On July 28 2019 00:14 Holyflare wrote: I don't really care bugs, you can push Koshi all you want for content but that's not particularly how you read Koshi. It's more of a tone thing and what he seems to care about, which is people being stupid and doing stupid things in his world view of alignments. I can't be the only one. -J | ||
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NoSmurfHere
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What information has town gained from the tubesock night kill? -J | ||
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On July 29 2019 22:57 Holyflare wrote: That you're mafia because all that you and bugs truly care about is tubesock night kill when you're dying. MAFIA ##unvote vote hf | ||
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On July 29 2019 22:57 Holyflare wrote: That you're mafia because all that you and bugs truly care about is tubesock night kill when you're dying. I was hoping I could get you specifically to answer that. We all know this kind of night kill is WIFOM. Only mafia with massive ego would be so attached to that stupid plan that they would come out and say it in the thread lol | ||
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On July 29 2019 22:59 Holyflare wrote: Not a single person in this game has accused me of being properly mafia when there is a tubesock AND a vivax night kill. Why is that? It's because the other people who are likely to be these night kills (koshi, bugs) etc don't want to bring attention to that fact and point themselves out. If we wanted to hide as mafia do you really think we'd NK someone who has ONLY scumread us the entire game? Don't be a moron. It was a stupid mafia plan with no foresight and you can't admit it. -J | ||
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On July 29 2019 23:01 Holyflare wrote: Jock where are you and bugs communicating? We have our own QT -J | ||
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On July 29 2019 23:03 Holyflare wrote: You got me, that really sounds similar to my mafia play !I don't even understand what this mafia plan you're talking about is? That I kill tubesock and blame you as my plan? Is that it? Yeah basically. It should be absolutely clear that you can't infer anything useful from that night kill. Especially not to call a single player mafia off the back of it. Either you are a terrible player and you don't know that or you can't admit to yourself that it was a stupid plan in the first place. I know which I would say is more likely. | ||
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On July 29 2019 23:03 Holyflare wrote: Please paraphrase every post in it from start to finish and the days they were posted. There are currently 90 posts you really want me to do that its gonna take me ages -J | ||
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