Man I can’t believe I’m actually saying this but Koshi has been making a lot of sense in the past page or so.
The best two choices we have for lynch today are rayn and MZ. Personally I’m not accepting any others, as I honestly don’t have much reason to suspect anyone else yet and I don’t really have that many town reads either. I prefer killing rayn over MZ:
I find MZ scummy but I waffle on him because last game he did similar things, where he didn’t provide many reads or vote at all until very late, and was wishy washy throughout. Also, he seems to defend me & jock based on believing the reasoning for voting us is bad and partly rayn drunk posting but then tries to get tube to explain why we’re scum. If MZ is actually town and legitimately believes we’re town then I could see him potentially trying to just shore up his read here but it comes off as extremely passive & non-committal.
Jock I think felt more confident on MZ being scum than I did but now is backtracking (?) a bit. I’ll let him comment with his own thoughts if he wants to.
I’m off to bed and won’t be back for another 9-12 hours or so.
On July 24 2019 02:38 NoSmurfHere wrote: Immediate gut reactions:
Don't like koshi's first post. No redeeming features of that one.
Don't like the way hf misunderstands the day post and then uses his own misunderstanding as evidence that he is town. Although rayn is right that it would be convoluted for mafia hf to do that, I wouldn't put convoluted out of hf's range.
Vivax - nothingburger
Coagulation - Scumclaims suck dude.
FF - dunno
Eywa - Very quick to scumread rayn but I wouldn't say that's impossible for town eywa.
rayn - waiting to see on this one.
Leaving now, won't be back until later tonight. Might have a chance to post something more fleshed out then.
Despite what I said about rayn wanting to lynch us, I think in a game this size lynching a lurker would be a good move.
J
This was 21 hours ago. So, basically first half of the cycle. This is after he said no reads posts until deliberating with Bugs.
This entire post is fluff. Did anyone like Koshi's first post? I doubt anyone say any redeeming value in it either. You can say that about almost everyone in the game for most games. So that's a nothingburger.
He didn't like how HF tried to dumbclaim his way to town, but then eosn't arrive anywhere with it. It's convoluted for mafia but in HF's mafia range. Ok, that's a nothingburger statement too.
Vivax - nothingburger, well he said it best. Saying V is a nothingburger leaves the rest of us with nothing. It would have at least said something if Jock then said Vivax being a nothingburger is most likely mafia. That would be substantial, and useful for town.
Coag - of course scumclaims suck. He got heat for it immediately too. So this is a useless comment from town.
FF - dunno. More nothingburger. Why not have a line about Chezinu and Alakaslam? They both are most likely similiar as in complete tossups. Why include FF? Feels like it's easier to later throw shade on FF than succomb to the law of Brown or Chupazi.
Eywa - quickly scumreading someone isn't scummy. But apparently it is for Jock, so why isn't HF scumread too?
rayn - he just finished a shitfight and has no read??? From the tone I would think he would scumread him. That isn't neccessarily scummy, but yet another player listed with zero information for town.
This entire post is fluffy fluff. What is the purpose of it? To give town his reactions? How did any of them help town?
You're not wrong that some of these are easy reads, but the first two are the most important imo. You can say "nobody liked Koshi's post" but stuff like that gets lost if people don't point it out. Similar with the crap about HF which also has been dropped.
I'm not going to lynch the hydra over it, especially when I agreed with the sentiment at the time it was posted. The game has progressed and so have their reads. I'm going to look elsewhere for D1 scum.
On July 23 2019 15:03 Tubesock wrote: This has been my jam for awhile. Not much on the metal screaming, but I would like the karaoke version of most of them.
I forgot to respond to this. I love a good 10 minute stoner ass guitar song, thank you.
first an instrumental from a band that very much uses "metal screaming" I think you'd enjoy:
Second, at what point does a sing become a scream? Is this just a gruff singing voice? I'd like to think we can agree that this is not screaming at least. + Show Spoiler +
What about this? I imagine the chorus could be a scream, but I'm talking about the verses. + Show Spoiler +
Now, this song is where I believe you would consider it 'metal screaming' but I would like to know why. The lyrics are completely understandable and the tone of voice is harmonious with the notes played on the instruments. + Show Spoiler +
Also uh
If you don;t listen to all those songs you're mafia... or something to keep this game related.
Fallujah - It truly amazes me how fast people can play. That dude on the drums is sick. I can't even hear that fast.
I really liked the Highway song. It reminds me of Lemmy's singing or even Jason Newsted's. Probably my favorite of the bunch.
I think the last one was technically screaming, but I guess I just don't like the screaming where you can't understand it, and it's just essentially the same low note growl that you can place on any song. So it's tough to hear much difference. But that is of course coming from someone who doesn't listen to much of it, so I can't hear the intricacies. I appreciate how the music has melody and his voice follows it. I prefer that to some songs which seem like they're examples of just speed.
Mafia stuff...I totally respect if you want to vote rayn for being an asshole the first pages. I think that's the only real viable reason to vote him. I still think he's town, but you do you (Koshi).
I can be convinced to vote Meap if it means saving rayn. I will admit that I think I'm just digging my heels in reaction to the rayn is scum team. But I'm not ignoring my feelings. And my feeling is that rayn is town.
On July 25 2019 00:23 Koshi wrote: Yeah rayn is a good vote. So many pages, a lot of meh to scum stuff, unwarranted rage, anti town.
People townread the person pushing the lynch, but vote for the scumread of that persons scumread. Ewya is town, ewya says rayn is scum. People say eywa is town, vote for the scumread of rayn. 😁
Because eywa has valid reasons to SR Rayn but she happens to be misinterpreting a lot of him, and Rayn has good points on smurfishness.
On July 24 2019 02:38 NoSmurfHere wrote: Immediate gut reactions:
Don't like koshi's first post. No redeeming features of that one.
Don't like the way hf misunderstands the day post and then uses his own misunderstanding as evidence that he is town. Although rayn is right that it would be convoluted for mafia hf to do that, I wouldn't put convoluted out of hf's range.
Vivax - nothingburger
Coagulation - Scumclaims suck dude.
FF - dunno
Eywa - Very quick to scumread rayn but I wouldn't say that's impossible for town eywa.
rayn - waiting to see on this one.
Leaving now, won't be back until later tonight. Might have a chance to post something more fleshed out then.
Despite what I said about rayn wanting to lynch us, I think in a game this size lynching a lurker would be a good move.
J
This was 21 hours ago. So, basically first half of the cycle. This is after he said no reads posts until deliberating with Bugs.
This entire post is fluff. Did anyone like Koshi's first post? I doubt anyone say any redeeming value in it either. You can say that about almost everyone in the game for most games. So that's a nothingburger.
He didn't like how HF tried to dumbclaim his way to town, but then eosn't arrive anywhere with it. It's convoluted for mafia but in HF's mafia range. Ok, that's a nothingburger statement too.
Vivax - nothingburger, well he said it best. Saying V is a nothingburger leaves the rest of us with nothing. It would have at least said something if Jock then said Vivax being a nothingburger is most likely mafia. That would be substantial, and useful for town.
Coag - of course scumclaims suck. He got heat for it immediately too. So this is a useless comment from town.
FF - dunno. More nothingburger. Why not have a line about Chezinu and Alakaslam? They both are most likely similiar as in complete tossups. Why include FF? Feels like it's easier to later throw shade on FF than succomb to the law of Brown or Chupazi.
Eywa - quickly scumreading someone isn't scummy. But apparently it is for Jock, so why isn't HF scumread too?
rayn - he just finished a shitfight and has no read??? From the tone I would think he would scumread him. That isn't neccessarily scummy, but yet another player listed with zero information for town.
This entire post is fluffy fluff. What is the purpose of it? To give town his reactions? How did any of them help town?
So many words to say nothing. By your own definition you are mafia. Go vote yourself. Instead of: "This post from the hydra has no value" You make a word wall.
Go vote for yourself.
It isn’t fluff. He is making the point that Smurfishness is more mafia for it
On July 24 2019 23:44 Eywa- wrote: I mean, I can be in error... But in this case I'm not.
I don't do reactions pre-flip.
I’m not expecting a pre-flip reaction.
There is a difference between arrogance (can’t begin to understand) confidence (can try to understand) and unteachable (can totally understand but can’t work with)
So are you open to talking Rayn? I think he is just foreign (and then drunk) and strongly hold he is town.
Why am I wrong? Do you need more from me to know how I am wrong?
I like Rayn’s train of thought, and was on board with it and don’t see it as scum indicative.
Thanks either way
I agree with all of your points and none of those make him scum. I think Rayn started the game very opportunistically, then transitioned to a lot more of a defensive game. Yes, some of that is reaction to pressure being applied to him, but this is his scum game, I'm very confident.
Also, if I'm drinking as town, I'm more likely to rant (incoherently) about people not voting for my target than I am to just come in to say "fuck you" repeatedly in as many posts as possible.
Best case I have seen. Shows that eywa thought about the difference between town mindset and mafia mindset. Either proof him wrong. Or explain how this is rayn meta. Or just stfu lol.
And when you cant. Dont vote for the persons agreeing with ewya you dumbfucks.
Koshi you should know better. You’ve played with Rayn enough to use your meta.
On July 25 2019 01:54 NoSmurfHere wrote: Man I can’t believe I’m actually saying this but Koshi has been making a lot of sense in the past page or so.
The best two choices we have for lynch today are rayn and MZ. Personally I’m not accepting any others, as I honestly don’t have much reason to suspect anyone else yet and I don’t really have that many town reads either. I prefer killing rayn over MZ:
I find MZ scummy but I waffle on him because last game he did similar things, where he didn’t provide many reads or vote at all until very late, and was wishy washy throughout. Also, he seems to defend me & jock based on believing the reasoning for voting us is bad and partly rayn drunk posting but then tries to get tube to explain why we’re scum. If MZ is actually town and legitimately believes we’re town then I could see him potentially trying to just shore up his read here but it comes off as extremely passive & non-committal.
Jock I think felt more confident on MZ being scum than I did but now is backtracking (?) a bit. I’ll let him comment with his own thoughts if he wants to.
I’m off to bed and won’t be back for another 9-12 hours or so.
-wherebugsgo
Tube has been reading the game well so far and he had you as scum early so I wanted to see if he could back things up a little more. I see where he's coming from but I still think he's wrong.
Also I've been an early and often lynch choice in every game I've been in since I started playing again six months ago -_- apparently my town skills took a dive during my 3ish year hiatus.
On July 25 2019 01:54 NoSmurfHere wrote: Man I can’t believe I’m actually saying this but Koshi has been making a lot of sense in the past page or so.
The best two choices we have for lynch today are rayn and MZ. Personally I’m not accepting any others, as I honestly don’t have much reason to suspect anyone else yet and I don’t really have that many town reads either. I prefer killing rayn over MZ:
I find MZ scummy but I waffle on him because last game he did similar things, where he didn’t provide many reads or vote at all until very late, and was wishy washy throughout. Also, he seems to defend me & jock based on believing the reasoning for voting us is bad and partly rayn drunk posting but then tries to get tube to explain why we’re scum. If MZ is actually town and legitimately believes we’re town then I could see him potentially trying to just shore up his read here but it comes off as extremely passive & non-committal.
Jock I think felt more confident on MZ being scum than I did but now is backtracking (?) a bit. I’ll let him comment with his own thoughts if he wants to.
I’m off to bed and won’t be back for another 9-12 hours or so.
-wherebugsgo
Of course he does lol
Anyway. So do we, I believe. People are having paradigm clashes when they aren’t necessary.
On July 25 2019 01:54 NoSmurfHere wrote: Man I can’t believe I’m actually saying this but Koshi has been making a lot of sense in the past page or so.
The best two choices we have for lynch today are rayn and MZ. Personally I’m not accepting any others, as I honestly don’t have much reason to suspect anyone else yet and I don’t really have that many town reads either. I prefer killing rayn over MZ:
I find MZ scummy but I waffle on him because last game he did similar things, where he didn’t provide many reads or vote at all until very late, and was wishy washy throughout. Also, he seems to defend me & jock based on believing the reasoning for voting us is bad and partly rayn drunk posting but then tries to get tube to explain why we’re scum. If MZ is actually town and legitimately believes we’re town then I could see him potentially trying to just shore up his read here but it comes off as extremely passive & non-committal.
Jock I think felt more confident on MZ being scum than I did but now is backtracking (?) a bit. I’ll let him comment with his own thoughts if he wants to.
I’m off to bed and won’t be back for another 9-12 hours or so.
-wherebugsgo
Tube has been reading the game well so far and he had you as scum early so I wanted to see if he could back things up a little more. I see where he's coming from but I still think he's wrong.
Also I've been an early and often lynch choice in every game I've been in since I started playing again six months ago -_- apparently my town skills took a dive during my 3ish year hiatus.
Nah it’s just your maturity.
Eventually you have to embrace the battened down basements of young minds and run to the tornado that is CHUPAZI
On July 25 2019 01:59 Tubesock wrote: Mafia stuff...I totally respect if you want to vote rayn for being an asshole the first pages. I think that's the only real viable reason to vote him. I still think he's town, but you do you (Koshi).
I can be convinced to vote Meap if it means saving rayn. I will admit that I think I'm just digging my heels in reaction to the rayn is scum team. But I'm not ignoring my feelings. And my feeling is that rayn is town.
On July 25 2019 00:41 Koshi wrote: If you read rayn page 5 and dont vote him limits are off again for this game.
Pure anti town shitty behaviour.
Dont vote for that.
Keep anti town in the game.
Good move.
So I did read it and you're not wrong.
Especially when my biggest reason for giving him an early townread was based off something I'm not even sure about anymore. If its between rayn and the hydra I'd rather kill rayn at this point.
Koshi's posts today have also made him a solid townread for me.
On July 25 2019 00:41 Koshi wrote: If you read rayn page 5 and dont vote him limits are off again for this game.
Pure anti town shitty behaviour.
Dont vote for that.
Keep anti town in the game.
Good move.
So I did read it and you're not wrong.
Especially when my biggest reason for giving him an early townread was based off something I'm not even sure about anymore. If its between rayn and the hydra I'd rather kill rayn at this point.
Koshi's posts today have also made him a solid townread for me.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn.
Weren't you already voting there?
Yup.
Giving insight to my thought process, being transparent.
EPT
