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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 24 2019 04:10 GMT
#332
You mafia mz? This is cherry picked reasoning to the extreme.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 24 2019 04:37 GMT
#334
I mean, half of MZ's post is:


The thing I hate most about posts like this is that it doesn't even seek to remedy the problems it points out, it simply adds more chaff to the thread which runs counter to a good town environment.


Which would be fine if I didn't directly start asking questions and making posts/cases to make the thread better? But I did.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 24 2019 04:58 GMT
#337
When do the quality posts start, Koshi?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 24 2019 05:02 GMT
#338
Vivax, rayn, mz, hydra, koshi

Just made me realise there's like half the thread not even posted yet: chezinu, pandain, revelator, slam (has but not really at all)

9/14, not bad
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 24 2019 07:18 GMT
#381
On July 24 2019 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2019 02:38 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Immediate gut reactions:

Don't like koshi's first post. No redeeming features of that one.

Don't like the way hf misunderstands the day post and then uses his own misunderstanding as evidence that he is town. Although rayn is right that it would be convoluted for mafia hf to do that, I wouldn't put convoluted out of hf's range.

Vivax - nothingburger

Coagulation - Scumclaims suck dude.

FF - dunno

Eywa - Very quick to scumread rayn but I wouldn't say that's impossible for town eywa.

rayn - waiting to see on this one.

Leaving now, won't be back until later tonight. Might have a chance to post something more fleshed out then.


Despite what I said about rayn wanting to lynch us, I think in a game this size lynching a lurker would be a good move.

J


Why did you say you don't want to put your views into the thread because of the mechanics of hydras (implying you wanted to talk to bugs about it first) but then put out your reads in the thread?

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 24 2019 10:04 GMT
#395
On July 24 2019 17:41 Pandain wrote:
HF making great points so far and is town (or at least pro-town so far). I think Slam is town too.


Who says this ever lol? Haven't even particularly done much.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 24 2019 11:23 GMT
#398
On July 24 2019 20:20 Pandain wrote:
Your case on Rayn is the only good case I've seen so far and I agree with it. I also would add that I thought it was weird as hell he latched on to scumreading you when all you did was vote coagulation (as if that's a tell in either direction).

I also don't feel compelled to respond to people who write things like "haven't read his posts but I think he's scum" and "him making great points makes him mafia"


What do you think of mz then?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 24 2019 11:49 GMT
#401
I agree with Koshi on slam at least.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 24 2019 21:10 GMT
#478
I'll whip you guys into shape.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 24 2019 23:06 GMT
#490
On July 25 2019 07:41 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2019 07:34 Eywa- wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote:
What the fuck is sexy single mason?

Read the op

What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1?

I never claimed that, I claimed that's what it's like on my home site.

Rayn played terribly though. What was that? No claim?

There it is. Holy shit prophet of CHUPAZI the great Alakaslam called it again

OK good luck without me Eywa-

Anyway, to the rest of the town, next time we need to be semi critical thinkers and use all of the tools at our disposal. There was no case here. You folks went along with something pretty foolish.

Not everyone of course.

Not happy to see the brown inactive


You're mafia for these posts. There was absolutely a rayn cass that multiple people talked about.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 24 2019 23:13 GMT
#493
On July 25 2019 08:09 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2019 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:41 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:34 Eywa- wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote:
What the fuck is sexy single mason?

Read the op

What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1?

I never claimed that, I claimed that's what it's like on my home site.

Rayn played terribly though. What was that? No claim?

There it is. Holy shit prophet of CHUPAZI the great Alakaslam called it again

OK good luck without me Eywa-

Anyway, to the rest of the town, next time we need to be semi critical thinkers and use all of the tools at our disposal. There was no case here. You folks went along with something pretty foolish.

Not everyone of course.

Not happy to see the brown inactive


You're mafia for these posts. There was absolutely a rayn cass that multiple people talked about.


Oh hey, you’re here

See my last post, it seems we’re onto the same things.

What do you think of Pandain not doing anything so far? And he called you townish too, I was a bit surprised personally

-wherebugsgo


Not read anything since I last posted before deadline really. Last 2 days at work so quite busy until that's over so we'll see what happens. Game is pretty solvable though you just look at people that shit on the rayn lynch.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 25 2019 23:22 GMT
#616
On July 25 2019 08:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2019 08:37 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 25 2019 08:30 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 25 2019 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:41 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:34 Eywa- wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote:
What the fuck is sexy single mason?

Read the op

What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1?

I never claimed that, I claimed that's what it's like on my home site.

Rayn played terribly though. What was that? No claim?

There it is. Holy shit prophet of CHUPAZI the great Alakaslam called it again

OK good luck without me Eywa-

Anyway, to the rest of the town, next time we need to be semi critical thinkers and use all of the tools at our disposal. There was no case here. You folks went along with something pretty foolish.

Not everyone of course.

Not happy to see the brown inactive


You're mafia for these posts. There was absolutely a rayn cass that multiple people talked about.

Go for it, town fool

Do it

I won’t even resist


How are you so sure at this point that HF is town?

Like even though he agrees with me on you and he was one of the initial folks on rayn I still don’t townread him lol

-wherebugsgo

I do townread him.

I joined the site when HF did. He is a lawyer irl so he knows how to influence:

I am a quiet psychological abuse survivor Autistic savant so I can’t convince anyone of shit but, you might say

I know what I know




On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote:
What a short read.

He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.

See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.

Because then y’all will realize:
1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too
2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively
3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.

If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.


On July 26 2019 07:40 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2019 07:34 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 07:23 Tubesock wrote:
On July 26 2019 07:16 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 07:11 Tubesock wrote:
FYI Slam often says he needs to die so town isn’t stuck with him lategame as he knows people can’t read him.

Secondly, saying both HF and Pandain may not be mafia probably has more to do with the reality that scumreads are often wrong. Not a lot of people have the same confidence that Eywa- was showing.


Do you actually have a preference right now between HF and Pandain or is everyone just gonna say they think they meet good lynches and then explain nothing?

I’d give it about 24 hours personally before I start considering killing either of them but I agree on principle that HF & Pandain are not bad leads, especially if all of Coag & FF & Chezinu are town (or even two out of three, which is fairly likely)

I want to see more opinions on this list of players:

FF
Coag
Chezinu
HF
Pandain

As at least with slam the opinions are already fairly polarized. In my case it’s just a conditional read.

-wherebugsgo


My way of reading HF is essentially he’s mafia until he proves himself town by doing something that makes life for mafia!HF harder for zero reason. But it requires time and I don’t mind giving him days because I know he’s busy. I also am not that afraid of a mafia HF running around though. He gets a lot of heat every game. Except this one, which to me is interesting.

My preference is Pandain (between him and HF). Although I still think you’re mafia but I’m willing to watch you work.


I personally am not giving HF much heat because

1. I read him correctly day 1 for two games in a row then started becoming paranoid when he did jack shit into terrible fake claim in the first game, so I led a wagon that killed him. Then he tunneled someone I thought was obvious town (and got him killed) in the second game and fake claimed again?? So HF’s play is erratic enough that I have no confidence in being able to read him properly atm.

2. He caught on the same thing I did with slam @ EoD

3. Engaging with HF is an easy way to pollute the thread.

As for Pandain, I’ve played with him twice (?) recently and by this point in the game he’s ordinarily posted a lot more, and everyone has already jumped on him to kill him, but I think I can read him well, especially when in that first game we played I was essentially the only person who correctly and confidently believed he was town.

This game he hasn’t done anything to indicate either alignment but the game in general is very slow.

What do you think of Coag and FF then?

-wherebugsgo

This excellently states why I am loth to lynch HF early even if he is my top scumread, which at the moment he is.

WNG/Jock either of you want to read his filter? It’s Hf but it is also short.



Less than 24 hours go by and vivax, the guy who was very likely mafia because he posted shit all, barely mentions me and doesn't even say I'm mafia in any capacity whatsoever and now I'm your top scum read after I've posted literally 0 words in between?

And you think I kill vivax because of this???
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 25 2019 23:25 GMT
#617
I am going to bed and I am going to get very very drunk tomorrow and then Saturday all hell will break loose Alakaslam. I hope you are ready.

And, no, Koshi, telling people to back off slam is really bad since he would be super motivated to actually play as mafia after the last game and what he is actually saying isn't knowledge that you gain from reading more than it is knowing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 25 2019 23:28 GMT
#618
My gut after seeing vivax flip was bugs calling the shots because of how bad it was.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 25 2019 23:49 GMT
#620
Well whoever the mason is I don't think they should really claim because at least mafia can shoot into that shit show.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 26 2019 07:35 GMT
#712
On July 26 2019 12:37 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2019 11:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 26 2019 09:57 Tubesock wrote:
Pandain for me is borderline policy.

The only time I remember playing or reading a game he was in, he was town but I was certain he was scum. This game is completely forgettable. So, I guess that could be scum points.

I could be on board with this if something changes my slam read. I think Pandain was scum in the game back in February and I think he lurked the shit out of that one too.


Ok let's kill Pandain.

Your points on Alakaslam have been true. The problem with it though is he actively changes his game. There was a time for sure that he tried harder as mafia. I think it's no longer a good metric now because he has matured, and that the atmosphere since TL's last mafia game ever is more conducive for him to actually play like he wants. Like Onegu he has tried to play seriously and has been punished for it. So, I think he's trying anew. I could be way off.

I also like what he's written. I also believed that rayn would flip town. I have made that exact post he did when I was town. I've been killed for TMI for it also. Like three times I've been miss lynched for "TMI". Kinda hilarious. I like that he is genuinely trying to be transparent. He is also paranoid of people. He's unsure of his HF read. Not waffling on HF's alignment is crazy. Flat crazy.




FF didn't scumclaim. I'm too lazy to look for it, but he has made similiar statements before when he has a strong townread. It's a well I've been fooled before. have you not read someone mafia person as strong town? If Bugs is as good as he says he is, then I'm certain that people have done that to him too.

Saying it is a scumclaim is disrespecting my scumplay. Which I don't mind, I like that none of you remember how I play as town or mafia. Works great.


Do you even read his posts though? It's not that he was right on rayn, I really don't give a shit about being right on someone's alignment. It's that he was right BUT HAD NO IDEA why half the people on rayn were on rayn. So, he casually berates people while simultaneously saying there's no case on rayn when there actually was. He can't be bothered to read into why people vote where they do but still calls them out for it anyway and then has made absolutely 0 conclusions on any of those people that voted really obvious town rayn for no reason?

His filter for the last few pages is basically absent of any proper read until vivax flips which is when he decides that vivax was on the right track with vivax saying "look at hf and pandain" rather than any other reason at all. He's 180d his town read on me based on something I'd never even do but his town read on me was because he knows what I do?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 26 2019 07:43 GMT
#715
Just wait for me tomorrow before you make any conclusions on me please.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 26 2019 07:45 GMT
#717
On July 26 2019 16:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
Holyflare read post 700 that makes FF clearly mafia right?

No reason for town to go about their business like that.


No, I don't think it makes him clearly mafia but it's not a bad point either.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 26 2019 07:45 GMT
#718
The hydra concerns me, I won't lie.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 26 2019 07:55 GMT
#723
Lol i read pandain's filter. Easy vote.
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